Any negotiated settlement between the Israelis and the “Palestinians,” with or without Abbas, is doomed to failure.
The United Nations 1948 two-state solution, Camp David, Oslo, the Road Map to Peace, the withdrawal from Gaza, the West Bank settlement freeze and more — attempt after attempt to bring peace to Israel and the Palestinian Arab Muslims has ended in failure. Yet that doesn’t stop Washington policymakers and the international media from attempting to try again, hoping that maybe this time negotiators will hit upon a formula that will, at long last, satisfy everyone, and allow Israelis and “Palestinians” to live together side-by-side in peace and even friendship, as so many Presidents and other world leaders have expressed confidence that they someday would.
But all such negotiations are foredoomed to failure. The reason why is explained in my forthcoming book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS. This is not only the first and only book in the English language to provide a comprehensive history of the jihad not just against Europe, but worldwide; it is also the first that I know of to situate the founding of the State of Israel and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict within the larger history of the global jihad.
In The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, you’ll discover:
- The Islamic concept that makes it impossible for believing Muslims ever to accept a State of Israel in any form;
- Franklin D. Roosevelt’s startling reaction when he was presented with plans to establish a Jewish state in the Middle East;
- The renowned Muslim leader who began inciting attacks against Jews in the Holy Land as early as 1919, nearly three decades before Israel was founded;
- The Nazi official who testified at the Nuremberg Trials that the Mufti of Jerusalem had been a central figure in the planning of the genocide of the Jews in Europe;
- The American journalist who met Muslim Brotherhood leader Hasan al-Banna as he was preparing the Brotherhood to attack Israel, and described al-Banna as “the most loathsome man I had yet met in Cairo”;
- “All Arabs shall arise and annihilate the Jews — we shall fill the sea with their corpses”: why the UN’s attempts in 1948 to broker a peaceful settlement between Israel and the Muslim Arabs failed;
- The sinister, shadowy figures who invented the “Palestinian” nationality as a weapon to destroy Israel;
- The vicious Eastern European dictator who trained Yasser Arafat in how to deceive the Western media;
- And much, much more.
This is the one book that explains why all the attempts at negotiated settlement between Israel and the “Palestinians” have failed, and why all future attempts will fail as well.
Many will not want to hear this, but choosing comforting fantasy over harsh reality is never productive in the long run. In order to find a solution, we must begin with accurate and realistic premises. Pre-order The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS here.
“Jared Kushner says Mideast peace plan happening soon, with or without Abbas,” Associated Press, June 24, 2018:
President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser said in an interview published Sunday that the administration will soon present its Israeli-Palestinian peace plan, with or without input from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. In an interview published in the Arabic language Al-Quds newspaper, Jared Kushner appealed directly to Palestinians and criticized Abbas, who has shunned the Trump team over its alleged pro-Israel bias, particularly on the fate of contested Jerusalem.
The interview came out after a weeklong trip around the region by Kushner and Mideast envoy Jason Greenblatt. The team met with leaders of Israel, Jordan, Qatar, Egypt and Saudi Arabia to discuss the worsening humanitarian situation in Gaza and the administration’s proposals for a peace deal.
The Palestinians refused to meet with Kushner, and leaders have criticized the Trump negotiating team in recent days.
Senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat accused Kushner and Greenblatt on Saturday of trying to topple the Abbas-led West Bank autonomy government and dismantle the U.N. aid agency for Palestinian refugees. On Sunday, Erekat doubled down on his criticism, telling Israel’s Channel 10 that the American negotiators are “not neutral” and predicting their peace plan would fail….
St. Manuel II Palailogos says
This will certainly be interesting.
david g carmichiel says
nothing new here to anyone with a brain that has studied for even an hour on the middle east and the cult of islam
JawsV says
There can’t be any peace in the Middle East due to Islam.
Keys says
Indeed. There can not be peace on the Earth due to Islam.
Jihad is not about peace; Islam is about submission.
Peace has never been one of the fruits of Islam.
It’s untrue to say Islam is a religion of peace.
JawsV says
“It’s untrue to say Islam is a religion of peace.” — Keys
Exactly. Islam is war and conquest. Geo W Bush didn’t know what he was talking about and misled the American people after 9/11.
JawsV says
Win — OBL and Islam are responsible for 9/11. It’s called Jihad. Islamic Jihad.
gravenimage says
Oh, good grief. I see we have another 9/11 “Truther” claiming that mean ol’ George Bush murdered almost 3,000 Americans.
Just ignore those 33,000+ Jihad terror attacks since 9/11, you “filthy Infidels”…
Kilauea says
If Islam conquered the world there would soon be a war between Sunnis and Shias, followed by a civil war between different sects of Sunni Islam.
RichardL says
It really is that simple.
Roger woodhouse says
There can be no peace throughout the world where there is Islam.How are we to get rid of this curse on our planet?
Naomi Turner says
Invoke the Goddess, she is the one thing Islam fears
JawsV says
Who is “the Goddess?” Pray tell. Greek mythology?
balam says
You are SPOT ON because ISLAM AND PEACE are completely INCOMPATIBLE
Julea Bacall says
Yes, and besides the problem in Islam, the world of Globalist Multinational Corporations want the business/oil/minerals in Mid East so bad that they cause everyone to appease whatever they want. The more they appease the jihad and Islam at all, the worse things get. Islam must be exposed and People have to be the motivator, not profit or we will lose our freedom.
Once, Iran was majority Zoroastrian.
Once Syria was majority Christian
Once Egypt was not Muslim ETC.
The same thing CAN happen to us.
overman says
Debunking the Palestine Lie in 11 Minutes.
This video debunks the Palestinians’ claim and shows that Abbas has been lying about the origins and history of the conflict. Palestinian leaders have rejected partition plans that would have given them much more land for their independent state than the Jews were offered for theirs. Rather than being the innocent victims of a “dispossession” at the hands of the Israelis, the Palestinians rejected reasonable compromises and instead pursued their aim of getting rid of the only Jewish state in the world –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUXTPH5-IPQ
eduardo odraude says
I agree that because of the influence of Islam, Palestinians probably will never on their own agree to peace. But it seems conceivable peace could be more or less forced on them through agreements with powers in the region, not because those powers are high-minded, but because geo-politics might make it in their interest (for example, the threat of Shias to Sunnis, and vice versa). We know that nominal Muslims running governments sometimes suppress Islam or elements of Islam while pretending to represent Islam. To that extent, a peace treaty seems not all that far out. Admittedly partial half-hearted suppressions of Islam are an unstable basis for a peace agreement, since Islam, unless abandoned, naturally has a tendency to re-emerge along with its totalitarian expansionist goals.
eduardo odraude says
Hmm, that last sentence does not make sense unless a comma is inserted after “Admittedly”.
Rarely says
A common enemy (eg. Iran) can make for strange bedfellows (eg. Israel & Saudi Arabia).
Guy Forester says
The number one goal of the house of Saud is to stay on top in the Arabian peninsula. Number two goal is to remain in control of Mecca and Medina. If the Saudi royals thought that becoming Mormons would ensure their survival, they would surely give it more than a passing thought.
Julea Bacall says
Nothing will work anywhere until Islam changes. What are the chances of that?
Only moving all the Multinational Globalist Corporations out of MidEast Countries might get them to consider slightly that it might be best. What are the chances of that?
TWG says
I support POTUS agenda, for the most part, but I detest the fact that Jared Kushner has been appointed such a position within the administration.
Felix Quigley says
Explain please and provide details…
Roland Tours says
The Israelis must be pretty weary by now of such quixotic diplomatic adventurers who refuse to learn from the past. Now they’re being forced to negotiate with themselves
Julea Bacall says
And all the world cares about are their MultiNational Globalist Corporations working in the Mid East for Private Profit
K. says
Islam is the one big issue Trump seems to fail to understand so far, because he is so confident in his ability to do what he does best. But there is no “Art of the Deal” which can make Muslims honor a contract with Unbelievers beyond a mere strategic step to be thrown aside the moment an opportunity for power grab presents itself. None. Ever.
underbed cat says
I support President Trump but it seems he has not studied the subject, maybe he should slow down a bit and read Roberts new Islamic Jihad history book, and listen to the “red pill” briefs and related information. His son in law may be wonderful, but I am not sure he is aware of deception in Islamic doctrine or the falsehood of the fantasy Islam story told by Obama or about the devastation to intelligence effectiveness from the muslim request to purge much of the understanding of Islam and agreed to by our FBI, that leads many down the wrong road, the defiant doctrine causes failure to peace.
gravenimage says
Trump is admirably anti-Jihad, but understands little about Islam itself.
JawsV says
Grimly true, gi.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
How could savage mad devil Trump reconcile his illegal recognition of all Jerusalem as capital of fascist evil Zionist state of Israel and his new peace plan? Note:UN Resolution No 181 provides for two states -Palestine and fascist evil Zionist state of Israel -and East Jerusalem falls part of Palestinian territory. what magic is he going to perform inspired by his satan god (Holy Spirit)?
Terry Gain says
When I started to read the above comment I expected that the next word after “savage mad devil” would be Muhammad, not Trump. That was before I noted the author of the unhinged comment.
So inform me Itace Muhammad, how many critics has Trump ordered to be killed, how many slaves has he taken, how many women has he raped, how many times has he engaged in pedophilia and necrophilia?
May I please have the courtesy of an answer?
For the first time.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Terry Gain, mad devil Trump planned genocidal killings of Muslims by referring to all us as potential terrorists to justify it, promised to recolonise Africa and revive that cruel transatlantic slave trade , forced idiot saudi monarchs to surrender to evil United States the sum of $110 billions to supply them with obsolete weapons worth less than $5billions (a clear case of state armed robbery), led attack on Syria based on concocted lies (a case of international brigandage) and tacit approval for fascist evil Zionist state of Israel to carry out mass killings of Palestinians. All these evil designs are inspirations from your Satan god (Holy Spirit) in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods. He is, therefore, savage like your Satan god you call Holy Spirit. Idiot !!
Rarely says
Ibrahim.
How cwise of you to sign your post “Idiot !!”
gravenimage says
Let’s parse this pack of lies from Ibrahim itace muhammed, shall we?
He wrote:
Terry Gain, mad devil Trump planned genocidal killings of Muslims by referring to all us as potential terrorists to justify it,
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Firstly, of course, President Trump never said that all Muslims are terrorists–this is just false.
And how is keeping out immigrants from Jihad-sponsoring states “genocide”, in any case?
What Ibrahim itace muhammed is saying is that not allowing Muslims to invade and conquer us is “genocide”.
More:
promised to recolonise Africa and revive that cruel transatlantic slave trade ,
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Of course, the president never said any such thing. Citations, please. (Not that I’ll be holding my breath waiting…)
And this is nothing but projection, in any case–it is Ibrahim itace muhammed himself who said that Muslims can enslave Infidels and use them for labor and sex slavery.
It was the West that *abolished* slavery–it is still rife in the Muslim world.
More:
forced idiot saudi monarchs to surrender to evil United States the sum of $110 billions to supply them with obsolete weapons worth less than $5billions (a clear case of state armed robbery),
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Now selling arms to Muslims is “state armed robbery”? What tripe. No one forced Saudi Arabia to buy arms from us. In fact, I would much prefer our not selling arms to *any* Muslims.
More:
led attack on Syria based on concocted lies (a case of international brigandage)
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Despite his claims that ISIS is not Islamic, Ibrahim itace muhammed is clearly that we drove them out of the “Caliphate”. And what “concocted lies” were these? That ISIS had imposed savage Shari’ah there?
More:
and tacit approval for fascist evil Zionist state of Israel to carry out mass killings of Palestinians.
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There are no mass killings of Palestinians. Ibrahim itace muhammed has said is that Israel has no right to defend against the Jihad to destroy them.
He not only wants to see the destruction of Israel, he has also said that he wants to take part in the genocide of the Jews.
So, this is just more projection on his part.
More:
All these evil designs are inspirations from your Satan god (Holy Spirit) in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods. He is, therefore, savage like your Satan god you call Holy Spirit. Idiot !!
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Of course, Jews and Christians do not worship ancient fertility goddesses–this is as absurd as his claim that Christianity is “mithraist”.
What is the point of these obvious falsehoods? He believes that if he can characterize Judaism and Christianity as “pagan”, that he can further condone Muslims murdering Jews and Christians.
gravenimage says
Another absurd thing about what Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote is his supposed outrage over being considered a terrorist.
But let’s review his posting history here–he has said that Muslims have the right to destroy Israel, to rape and enslave Infidels in Jihad, to invade the West, to impose Shari’ah here, to mass slaughter any who don’t submit to Islam, and to commit genocide against the Jews.
Sounds like terrorism to me.
Terry Gain says
Yo Muhamnad
There has been no genocidal killing of Muslims in America. You are a liar. Muslims are the killers. And the world’s best liars
Answer me. Why do you support rape and pedophilia?
Malcolm (South Afric) says
@ Ibrahim
It always brings a smile, to know that with that foul, lying, deceitful mouth of yours, you pious muslim you. Is the same one, you use to praise that fake prophet of yours, kiss that germ infested black kaaba stone.
Hopefully you do not use that thing on your face, to kiss your children or wife, as that would be truly disgusting.
duh swami says
Ibby…Everything you think you know is wrong…
jayell says
“Terry Gain, mad devil Trump planned genocidal killings of Muslims by referring to all us as potential terrorists”……
Just a few of observations there, Mr. Muhammed, my old chum.
1. It’s highly unlikely for any insane person to be able to achieve any level of sustained legitimate business success in a higly-regulated civilised society, let alone the the billionaire-level that Donald Trump has achieved, because this depends on a high level of personal balanced intellectual integrity and intelligence. President Trump’s political success is totally non-consequential to his business success, and, without a track record as a manipulative career-politician (he seems to have had better things to do with his life!), I believe it is well known that he did not particularly want nor expect to win the Presidency. Compare that with a totally unprincipled, amoral, self-serving, greedy sociopath/psychopath whose only aim is deluded self-aggrandisement through unregulated pseudo-religious political manipulation and exploitation of others by gangster-like overtly criminal means – a bit like someone called Mohammed about 1,400 years ago (and maybe Adolf Hitler more recently), and maybe one gets a clear impression to whom the epithets ‘mad devil’ properly belong – and it is clearly NOT President Trump but rather the latter personage from the 7th. century who I believe you might be hold as your example of perfection – for some reason.
2. Since Islam purports to be a ‘religion’ and not a ‘race’ or ‘ethnic group’ (you do understand those words, don’t you, Mr. Muhammed?), its removal cannot be defined as ‘genocide’ since assuming or maintaining an islamic identity is a matter of conscious choice rather than a naturally imposed identity, and member of any human ethnic group has the option of either identifying with it or rejecting it.
3. The teachings of Mohammed in the Qur’an and other islamic texts clearly prescribe the dissemination of his ‘religion’ (his definition) by any aggressive means possible that might achieve a goal of total political domination, and this has logically been taken by adherents of islam to justify the use of physical aggression if not outright warfare to achieve that stated objective. Taking this and the reported fact that over 90% of all acts of actual terrorism (or planned terrorism) worldwide are committed by muslims, it is perfectly reasonable and indeed advisable to assume that muslims are, by dint of the creed they overtly espouse, terrorists.
Can I have a sensible and reasoned reply to all my points, Mr. Muhammed?
balam says
@ Ibrahim: Sir .Winston Churchill was right when he wrote that ISLAM N A MUSLIM WAS LIKE RABIES IN A DOG.Hence what else one expect from a RABID DOG like you.
J D S says
Ibrahim…..you are so misinformed about Islam that you and most others.. here on Jw, in our government and throughout the world can’t see that Satan is driving Islam.
The Holy Bible shows this blueprint plainly for all to see.
Oh I know you think the Holy BIble has been corrupted but you are looking for the splinter in the Bible’s eye while overlooking the plank in the koran’s eye……
I also know you and your like may never confess Jesus as Lord of all till the last day when ALL shall bend their knee in reverence to Him. You still have time of course to turn your back side to a so called man made religion and accept the real religion of peace….God is shedding tears for so many Muslims who are lost and headed for that awful LAKE OF FIRE but be consoled…you will not be alone…ACCEPT JESUS NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
Pertaining to Roberts topic……There are no such people as Palestinians except the Jews..God gave these lands to the Jews…….one would have to conquer God in order to take these lands. The Jews are very gracious of allow others to live in their lands.
Julea Bacall says
Have you ever fact checked your sources? They are so wild, I wonder how you came to believe all that? or maybe its worse and you know its all lies but think its useful to repeat?
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed citing UN Resolution No 181 is ludicrous here–he himself has confirmed that Muslims want to see the full destruction of Israel. Even worse, he has said that he wants to personally take part in the genocide of the Jews.
The idea that he wants a peace deal with “fascist evil Zionist state of Israel” is obviously absurd.
6woods says
Why bother trying to refute this pathetic muslim asshole? You can’t take him seriously. He’s good for a laugh, and that’s it.
JawsV says
Agree, 6woods. The Muslim’s not only crazy he’s evil. I don’t read his evil cr** just skip it.
gravenimage says
6woods, Jaws, and Joan, I am not speaking directly to Ibrahim itace muhammed or any other Muslim troll here, which–as you note–would be pointless.
Keep in mind that thousands more people read here than post–and new people visit Jihad Watch all the time–including some who are just beginning to learn about Jihad, and even some who are hoping that Jihad is not a real threat.
I think it is important to challenge Muslim trolls so that no one gets the idea that the rot he posts are the views of Jihad Watch, and that his constant absurd lies can be exposed.
Wellington says
Seconded, gravenimage. And may I say you always do a superb job of demolishing Ibrahim’s hate-filled and spurious contentions, as you do with others who spout some kind of malicious nonsense posing as truth.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington.
Rarely says
Ibrahim.
The Palestinians have been offered a State with East Jerusalem as its capital AT LEAST 5 TIMES. EACH TIME they (the Palestinians) rejected it. But why bother with historic facts when you can just make something up. To any sane mind the Palestinians will settle for nothing short of Israel’s destruction. After all, they keep repeating that as their goal. ALL THE BLOOD SPILT IS ON THE HEAD OF THE PALESTINIANS.
Rarely says
Ibrahim.
On second thought I take it all back. Since no one could possibly be as stupid or ignorant as you I sense that you are just a fabrication that RS has created to keep the discussion lively. Once again, NO ONE could be as devoid of reason, so saturated with dogma and full of senseless rhetoric as you and still have a brain strong enough to keep his heart pumping.
gravenimage says
True, Rarely. Muslims have continuously rejected a “Palestinian” state.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Rarely, who made the offers and when? Remember, palestinians never enjoyed independant state of their own even when UN Resolution No 181 was passed partitioning the land into two, the fascist Zionist state annexed palestinian portion. why you filthy mithraist christians and evil Jews shun the truth? it is simply because your Satan god (Holy Spirit) in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods inspires you to lie. wicked Satan worshipers!!
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Ibrahim
Have some respect for God’s Word. The Jewish people are God’s chosen.
Where do you think you are in the pile?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
malcolm, evil Jews are now chosen by your Satan god (Holy Spirit) as leaders of all evils. In the Quran, chosen people means righteous messengers of Allah like Moses and Jesus were Jews, not that Jews are superior to other races. Now, evil people are among Jews and as such chosen people of evils by the Satan.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Ibrahim
The Jewish people are far superior to your people, Ibrahim can you give us just one example, of a muslim that has contributed to the betterment of the world. Many jewish scientist could be cited.
What can you boast about, maybe your pathetic fake prophet, even the worst of any religion, would rate better than your fake perfect man, that you find no difficulty in emulating.
Just try, to respect your superiors.
gravenimage says
Muslim reaction to the Oslo Accords in 1992–which would have led to a “Palestinian” state–was to launch the First “Intifada”.
I had long wondered if the “Palestinians” actually wanted a state, or just wanted to destroy Israel and murder Jews. That answered my question once and for all.
GaryDavid says
I’m triggered by your ignorant branding upon others regarding Satan & Evil when Allah commands his admitted sinners to carry out his will to Murder those who do not praise him. The life that was created by the power of God, so should God be the ultimate authority to take life from his own creation. The works of a false God would be the command of an imposter, for his (SINNER) followers to be granted the power, authority or only a true God’s supreme ability to judge the soul of another man. What fool would believe their GOD to become a Subcontractor of his ultimate authority of divine judgement? Let me answer that question for your brainwashed mind…..This would be the act of a false God created in the mind of a mortal Sinner. (Muhammad)….It is the Command of a False God that would cast the authority to judge the evil or good within the soul of the living, UNLESS, the GOD “Allah” that Muhammad created has NO POWER to take life, or make his own divine judgement? Nor then, did Allah create life, which is the truth & purpose for this mockery created by Muhammad and followed by fools. Do you need more simple examples of truth to convince you, or do you choose to believe that the Almighty “GOD” with Unimaginable Power has any need to employ Sinners with the ultimate authority of seeing into the souls of those he claims to have created? If so then my intelligence is not to be wasted on a mind that is incapable of rational, reasonable or logical thought.
IanB says
It’s not “rational, reasonable or logical” to argue from the unproven, superstitious supposition that any gods actually exist except in the imaginations of those deluded by the supernatural.
The argument about Ibby’s “Allah” being a false god versus your God being “True God” is logically fallacious when there is no verifiable, objective evidence of the existence of either of them.
Julea Bacall says
After the Ottoman were expelled, Jordan, 78% of the Brit Mandate Palestine (the old Greek way of saying the Hebrew word Yisrael. Thats the old Hellenistic history and after Rome, you know everyone in all the region of the Levant (French) was called Palestinian and that the Septuagint was translated into Greek from Hebrew) was the promised 2nd state for Arab Muslims & you probably know that. Be Fair & not some dishonest jihadist for Supremacy of and stealing of Abrahams Jewish history.
Terry Gain says
Other than trying to convince a Muslim that Muhammad was not a good enough man to be chosen as God’s messenger there is no enterprise more hopeless convincing Arabs to live in peace with Jews.
GaryDavid says
You hit the nail on the head, but allow me to add this bit of logical reason. Allah commands his admitted sinners, to carry out his will to Murder those who do not praise him? The life that was created by the power of God, so should God be the ultimate authority to take life from his own creation. The works of a false God would be the command of an imposter, for his (SINNER) followers to be granted the power, authority or only a true God’s supreme ability to judge the souls of men. What fool would believe their GOD to become a Subcontractor of his ultimate authority of divine judgement? This would be the act of a false God created in the mind of a mortal Sinner. (Muhammad)….It is the Command of a False God that would cast the authority to judge the evil or good within the souls of the living, UNLESS, the GOD “Allah” that Muhammad created has NO POWER to take life, or make his own divine judgement? Nor then, did Allah create life, which is the truth & purpose for this mockery created by Muhammad and followed by fools. Do they choose to believe that the Almighty “GOD” with Unimaginable Power has any need to employ Sinners with the ultimate authority of seeing into the souls of those he claims to have created? If so then my intelligence is not to be wasted on minds of those incapable of rational, reasonable or logical thought.
IanB says
The assumption you make is there IS a god of “Unimaginable Power” without a jot of verifiable objective evidence.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
You are the evidence, Shove your head in an oven and say: I think therefore I am.
Julea Bacall says
Because the Qur’an has the added 700AD Warlords manual for conquest and control of its own members to do the dirty work for the Kings and Warlords themselves. It was supposed to be a unity of Mid East tribes to make an Empire like the other old countries warred for. An empire like Rome or Greece, like old China & the Ottoman types. It was turned into a Warlords Manual for Supremacy and Conquest. It runs on Fear and punishment.
Rarely says
Follow the money.
Presently the Palestinians get billions of $$ through UNRWA the Red Cross, etc. plus directly from various countries. If there are any Yasser Arafat wannabees among the leadership some very fancy personal fortunes are arising from that largesse (i.e. skimming). The stream is endless as long as there are refugees to be cared for. Is this their #1 industry?
With nothing to replace it, in the event of peace they have only a few alternatives:
(1) Israel take all the “refugees” off their hands (Right of Return)
(2) An equal amount of perpetual aid from somewhere.
(3) They start building industries on the back of a grossly undereducated and unqualified populace.
Meanwhile they dream of overrunning Israel and, presumably, after killing all the Jews, enjoy the wealth that Israel has created.
So, even without the evil doctrine that is islam, they won’t willingly accept ANY peace. agreement. Islam, and its maniacal hatred of Jews, is an excellent tool for controlling the masses. This requires an uneducated populace full of vicious hatred who will believe ANY lie or twist of history they can think up.
Rarely says
Replace “uneducated” with “ignorant and uneducated”.
Wellington says
Islam knows nothing about true peace. Here it is deficient as it is in so many other areas. The best you can do with Islam is a hudna (temporary truce before hostilities begin again, often earlier than later because Buttlims will break any truce term if they deem the time is ripe to do so) or counting on many Muslims not to fully implement their religion’s dictate that war must be made upon all mankind “until all religion is with Allah” {Sura 8:39}—and counting on such Muslims for peace is a fool’s errand of the first degree.
Islam is just awful. One should ALWAYS proceed from this starting point and then go from there. Though Trump and his team are infinitely preferable to Obama and his wretched team, it is still not enough because, ultimately, Islam must be seen in its full light, that is to say as the worst religion of all time and which religion knows nothing about real peace because 1) it is profoundly ungracious, 2) doesn’t care a whit about a true Golden Rule for all, 3) is the only religion which in its theological blueprint calls for war to be made upon unbelievers, 4) has as its reputed founder one possessed of a brutal psychopathic personality, 5) calls for death for apostasy, 6) sanctions rape, 7) utterly despises Jews, 8) pretty much despises everyone else in addition to Jews who are not Muslim, 9) is void of the notion of romantic love, 10) is void of having fun in life whenever possible, 11) is completely deficient respecting a live-and-let-live philosophy, and 12) is a mortal enemy of liberty, and any ideology which is a mortal enemy of liberty can never reallly know anything about true peace.
There are many other reasons why Islam should never be trusted on the “peace issue,” but I think the dozen I listed above constitutes a “good start.” My God, what a burden to all mankind Islam is. No doubt.
Rarely says
Wellington.
I agree totally but don’t you think you may be being a tad too kind toward islam?
Terry Gain says
As you well know Islam wants war, not peace
JawsV says
The Muslim armies favorite weapon during the early Muslim conquests was the straight sword. See: flag of Saudi Arabia.
Indiana Tom says
You are being kind in calling Islam a religion. More of an evil ideology.
Wellington says
Indiana Tom: Islam is both a religion AND an evil ideology. As I have rhetorically asked many times here at JW, where is it written that a religion must be good? Satanism is another example of something malevolent but still a religion.
In any case, for First Amendment purposes here in America, Islam easily qualifies as a religion and thus it is a complete waste of time arguing to the contrary. Much better to upfront concede Islam religious status in America but then rip it apart as it so deserves to be ripped apart, ditto for Nazism and Marxism, both of which are also protected by the First Amendment, though secular totalitarian ideologies rather than a religious totalitarian ideology as Islam is.
In the fight against Islam and what it intends for us all, we must be as informed, accurate and smart as it is possible to be. All those asserting that Islam is not a religion are revealing more than they realize and are a hindrance to combating Islam most effectively. I do wish everyone here at JW would finally get this but many still won’t.
JawsV says
Tom, it’s a BAD religion. And evil ideology.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Jaws.
GaryDavid says
EXCELLENT INSERTION OF FACTS!
gravenimage says
Jared Kushner: Mideast peace plan coming soon, with or without Abbas
Any negotiated settlement between the Israelis and the “Palestinians,” with or without Abbas, is doomed to failure.
…………………
Grimly true. After all, both Hamas and Fatah–that would be Abbas–have in their charters the destruction of Israel.
They don’t want to negotiate–they just want to murder Jews.
GaryDavid says
and so they are determined to become a burial ground, over layed by a Costco, or Walmart parking lot.
Is the Holy War inevitable? Do we alert our children, not with instilled hate, but of honest reality?
gravenimage says
Yes–all Infidels should learn what savagery Islam really teaches.
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
“This is the one book that explains why all the attempts at negotiated settlement between Israel and the “Palestinians” have failed, and why all future attempts will fail as well.” (Robert Spencer).
If Spencer is right, and I think he is, then the only solution is to use force to secure that Israel can exist and live in security within secure borders.
Will Trump use the necessary force to secure the existence of Israel? That is the only relevant question. Peace in the region is an illusion and wishful thinking.
underbed cat says
Treaties under Islam are only partially negotiated when the position is weak since the moment they decide 1 day later of 2 years later conquest is their goal and the early history confirms it. They wait until the target lets down it’s guard so no money should be exchanged. I agree with comments above.
Indiana Tom says
Bulldoze off the Al-Aqsa Mosque off the Temple Mount and be done with it.
Al-Aqsa Mosque is the Abomination that causes Desolation.
Wellington says
A beautiful sentiment.
Raja says
Tom, One step closer to real peace, if it is implemented. Israel is capable of undertaking that but it is having a 20% Muslim population.
I liked the comment of Moshe and Rarely. They are very practical.
Islam must be eradicated like all fascist enterprises..
Felix Quigley says
The net is for clarification of ideas while we are able to we better do it…
Let us get to the bottom of this. Wellington writes…
” 1) it is profoundly ungracious, 2) doesn’t care a whit about a true Golden Rule for all, 3) is the only religion which in its theological blueprint calls for war to be made upon unbelievers, 4) has as its reputed founder one possessed of a brutal psychopathic personality, 5) calls for death for apostasy, 6) sanctions rape, 7) utterly despises Jews, 8) pretty much despises everyone else in addition to Jews who are not Muslim, 9) is void of the notion of romantic love, 10) is void of having fun in life whenever possible, 11) is completely deficient respecting a live-and-let-live philosophy, and 12) is a mortal enemy of liberty, and any ideology which is a mortal enemy of liberty can never reallly know anything about true peace.
This by Wellington is meant as an attack on Islam but int he context of the war on Israel being conducted by this so called “peace” deal by the American Government of Trump.
And Trump is a friend of Israel and Jews. What would the Kathy Griffins of this world do. They are antisemite out and out.
But this initiative by Trump is a real war on Israel. Her is expecting Israel to do a deal with Islam.
That is the issue in this thread Wellington. The issue is Trump and his position towards Israel and towards Islam.
It may not be so openly antisemitic as was Obama and is Bill Maher but it is also lethal.
Can you address this point Wellington and not do as you usually do aim to divert the discussion into the awfulness of Islam. We know that. This thread is about Trump and his Government.
If I am not wrong it is about the Jared Kushner plan which is actually the Trump plan and your contributions are not addressing that.
In fact the Kushner plan is so dangerous because it is backed and promoted by one Donald Trump and because a majority of Jews in Israel think of Trump as their friend. Wellington does not address the actual issue. I feel that this nonsense from this pompous person (Wellington) needs to be thoroughly addressed but most for example Gravenimage run around in circles on JW telling how wonderful he is. By the way she does not address it either.
Felix Quigley says
In fighting Islam it is necessary to give Islam nothing. This plan by Kushner and Trump breaks that rule, which is the real “Golden Rule” of our epoch.
IanB says
Felix. Wellington and gravenimage are two of the most worthy contributors to this site to be esteemed for their intelligent, knowledgeable and insightful comments. Wellington can sometimes “go on a bit”, as we Limeys say, but his comments are justified, admittedly sometimes verbose, forceful, and I find them equally inspirational and entertaining. Wellington and I are kindred spirits in defence of freedom (and in a passion for Beethoven symphonies and good beer!). Gravenimage consistently shows a cool intelligence in her ability to analyse an issue with clarity and precision.
These comments should not be misunderstood as hero worship. They are sincerely expressed based upon years of reading their contributions.
I have attempted to address below your contention that the real issue is President Trump and the proposed negotiation plan. Regards IanB.
gravenimage says
Thank you so much for your kind words, Ian. They mean a great deal to me.
I think that Felix Quigley focuses so much of his animus on Wellington and myself because we do not agree with him that democracy needs to be destroyed and replaced with Trotskyite dictatorships.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley, I don’t think that President Trump completely understands Islam, as I have noted here many times–and there is no doubt that this can be dangerous.
But he is staunchly Anti-Jihad, a great supporter of Israel, and he grasps that Abbas is no real ‘partner for peace’, as other presidents have believed. This makes him a better ally for Isreal than pretty much anyone else in the world today, and better than most during all of Israel’s history.
So, I’m not such why you are attacking Trump here. Attacking Wellington for exposing the horrors of Islam makes even less sense.
jule says
some things he does are ok. Some things stink. We can survive the stink. We can’t survive Islam if we do not stop their persecuting philosophy that is no joke.
I think there will be NO deal (because Muslims will not talk to a nonMuslim seriously ever and all the past years were theater) and if we just stand behind Israel and move the embassy and hope they declare themselves a Jewish Nation, and do something about IRAN….
If Iran attacks our Military better stand up against them. (We needed Russia with non Muslim countries but I guess its too late now)
Chris Malan says
If you want to ultimately fail, try to broker a peace between the Arabs and the Jews. They just don’t like each other. Only a fool will try that.
gravenimage says
“They just don’t like each other”–in other words, Muslims are constantly trying to wipe Israel off the map. Why wouldn’t Jews like that?
duh swami says
The only way that the jihad against Israel will end is if Allah wills it…
I don’t see where that will happen any time soon…
boakai ngombu says
yup. the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) has boxed itself and its slaves (muslims) who follow the exemplar, muhammad (lately contrive; full of lusts; lacking compassion) are boxed in as well.
squatty potys and camel pee for all
and RAGE
Coach Martin says
Peace without Abas is more likely, This suggests a tight policing of “Palestinian” areas.
Remove all weapons, remove mosques and ban the Koran. Abolish the idoctrination centers.
It will take two or three generations to breed out hatred.
Roger woodhouse says
There can be no peace throughout the world where there is Islam.How are we to get rid of this curse on our planet?
Roger woodhouse says
We need to do that here in Britain now.Today.
gravenimage says
Alas, I don’t see Islam stopping the teaching of hatred of the Jews any time soon.
IanB says
There will never be a two state solution between the “Palestinians” (Muslim Arabs) and Israel. The true negotiating position of the arabs is the complete destruction of Israel and genocide of the Jewish population therefore no meaningful negotiation is possible.
President Trump appears not be cognisant of these “Palestinian” intentions in which case the CIA’s analysis of the issues and subsequent advice to him are woefully (or wilfully?) inadequate.
The Israelis will be fully aware of the “Palestinian” intentions.
What President Trump does understand very well are the techniques of negotiation from his business experiences so he knows it’s essential to evaluate the issues and respective disputations, the starting positions of the parties and to make an estimation of their acceptance positions. He will fail because he has no realistic perception of either the former or latter positions of the “Palestinians”.
The essential question for me is why President Trump is pursuing these proposed negotiations at all. They are doomed to failure from the start.
IanB says
Felix. Wellington and gravenimage are two of the most worthy contributors to this site to be esteemed for their intelligent, knowledgeable and insightful comments. Wellington can sometimes “go on a bit”, as we Limeys say, but his comments are justified, admittedly sometimes verbose, forceful, and I find them equally inspirational and entertaining. Wellington and I are kindred spirits in defence of freedom (and in a passion for Beethoven symphonies and good beer!). Gravenimage consistently shows a cool intelligence in her ability to analyse an issue with clarity and precision.
These comments should not be misunderstood as hero worship. They are sincerely expressed based upon years of reading their contributions.
I have attempted to address below your contention that the real issue is President Trump and the proposed negotiation plan. Regards IanB.
IanB says
This comment was intended to appear below Felix’s comment where it now is. Apologies for the duplication.
gravenimage says
Ian, thank you for your kind comments. And I very much agree with you about Wellington.
No Muzzies Here says
Previous plans have failed because one side is consumed with hate for the other, and will say or do anything to make it appear as if there’s an agreement, but then go back to doing what it has always done.
You know which side that is.
gravenimage says
Yep.
Ren says
Don’t even mention Abbas for he is a lost cause.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Hey, Robert – check THIS out!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/world/middleeast/trump-tom-barrack-saudi.html
Here’s the money-shot quote:
“Mr. Barrack’s closeness to Mr. Trump extends to the president’s family. By 2010, he had acquired $70 million of the debt owed by Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, on his troubled $1.8 billion purchase of a skyscraper at 666 Fifth Avenue in New York. After a call from Mr. Trump, Mr. Barrack was among a group of lenders who agreed to reduce Mr. Kushner’s obligations to keep him out of bankruptcy.
A month after his first outreach to Ambassador Otaiba, Mr. Barrack wrote again on May 26 to introduce Mr. Kushner, who was preparing for a role as a presidential envoy to the Middle East.
“You will love him and he agrees with our agenda!” Mr. Barrack promised in another email.”
🙁
Matthieu Baudin says
“…the Israeli/Palestinian conflict within the larger history of the global jihad…”
Add to that list the division of Cyprus and the failure to gain ground in negotiations towards reunification.
Julea Bacall says
Moshe, where did you go? You disappeared. I wanted to answer your question about Abdullah and Zionists agreement 1920s-1933. Where did Moshes comments go?
Aussie Infidel says
No attempt at a peace treaty between Israel and the so-called Palestinians will ever succeed. That would violate the anti-semitic ideology in the Quran and Hadiths. And any Muslim leader who defied those commands would be putting his head on the chopping block. It seems as though Kushner and the others behind this futile attempt, need to learn more about Islamic ideology and the Muslim mindset. And I have no doubt that Robert’s new book would be a good place for them to start.
Maybe the Americans are hoping that this further attempt at peace will be the final nail in the coffin, and allow the world to see what a waste of time, effort and money it all has been.
As Golda Meir once said, “There will be peace in the Middle East when the Arabs [Muslims] love their children more than they hate us.” But I reckon that even she was too optimistic. As I see it, “There will be peace only when a second coming of Muhammad reveals some new verses for the Quran to abrogate all those calling for jihad against the kuffar.” But I won’t be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
Julea Bacall says
Very clear.
JawsV says
“It seems as though Kushner and the others behind this futile attempt need to learn more about Islamic ideology and the Muslim mindset.” — Aussie Infidel
No doubt whatsoever. They don’t feel the need to educate themselves about Islam. Considering what Islam is capable of its unconscionable.