Sophia Lösche no doubt explained to many people who questioned her work with Muslim migrants that the “refugees” were not dangerous, they were in danger.
“A truck driver finds the body of a young German in Egino,” translated from “Un camionero deja el cadáver de una joven alemana en Egino,” by David González, El Correo, June 21, 2018 (thanks to Searchlight Germany):
Sophia Lösche, a 28-year-old German immigrant activist, was found dead yesterday at around 3.20 pm near the Egino gas station in the municipality of Asparrena in Álava. A week ago, nothing was known about her whereabouts since she got into a truck with a semitrailer and Moroccan plates in Schkeuditz, in the eastern part of her country. She hitchhiked with the intention of reaching her hometown, Amberg, located about 260 kilometers south. The driver, already detained, of that vehicle is the alleged killer.
A Civil Guard traffic patrol stopped him on Tuesday on a road in the heights of the Jaén town of Bailén. He was supposedly heading to the Strait of Gibraltar, intending to take a ferry and disembark in Morocco, where he would seek to escape from European justice. On Wednesday, he was placed at the disposal of the Central Court of Instruction number 6 of the National Court. His confession made it possible to locate the body of the young woman yesterday, her case had been reported in the German media after her family reported her disappearance 24 hours after her death.
Sophia was president of the youth of the SPD (Social Democratic Party) in Bamberg and a university student. She had worked with an NGO on the Greek island of Lesbos, where she helped impoverished immigrants.
Sources consulted by this newspaper stressed that the body had “clear indications of violence.” The alleged perpetrator of the crime tried to burn her in a vain attempt to eliminate any incriminating remains. The autopsy, which will probably be carried out today in the Forensic Pathology Service of Vitoria, will determine the causes of death. Also the approximate moment at which it happened, which will allow authorities to determine if it was in Germany, France or in the Basque Country. This will clarify which court will handle the case….
Emilie Green says
Sophia Lösche learned the lesson, if only for the last few seconds of her life. Life’s a tough teacher; you get the test first, then the lesson.
JW_Reader says
If Sophia could talk, she would say, her killer misunderstood the peaceful teachings of Islam. Sophia and her likes, these are the kind that never learns.
George Tasker says
There are three categories of people in this life. The first are ones who will learn from the experience of others. The second are those who have to learn from their own experience. The third are those who would rather die than learn.
Al says
These lefty idiots are a special kind idiot
I put it down to taking illegal drugs from an early age and destroying their brains
I think it is impossible to be naturally so stupid
Palace Dog says
If you get too close to a venomous snake, it may strike. Utopian nievatay will get you killed.
Ulla Camp says
NOT necessary the truth. Unfortunately some of the young ones think that something like that, will NEVER happen to them, until it does; and then it is too late….
They think they are invincible………………..Or so they think………….
RichardL says
Her friends actually published a letter a few days ago saying that everybody who said that if a Muslim did something to her, it is part of a patter would be racist.
However, the guy is not a migrant, I think. He lives in Morocco.
gravenimage says
He was certainly in Germany where he murdered this poor woman.
gravenimage says
And that from her friends shows just how deep this denial goes.
Bradley says
it’s a hard lesson to learn when you have to pay with losing your life.
win says
correct
J D S says
One tries to feed a mad dog and the dog will bite… in this case the poison in the mad dog killed the feeder.
And on and on it goes…AND THE WORLD STANDS STILL!
spielman john says
its called natural selection! those countries/ governments who know the danger of islam will live( like Hungary) and those who don’t ( like the UK and Germany and France) will see their people die
Asally says
One wonders how many deaths of innocent people Sophia might have been indirectly responsible for by helping to bring this scourge into Europe. How could she have been ignorant of the horrific crime she was a part of? i am sorry she was killed but many others were and she still helped bring these killers in among her own innocent people. It would be dishonest for me to say I mourn her. I wish she had lived long enough to have become wiser.
jayell says
“….you get the test first, then the lesson….”
Brilliant way of putting it, but maybe not strictly true. This young lady, along with all the other victims, could have learned the lesson from the tragic stories circulating around Europe for a long time now (as people on JW here have), but she probably chose to ignore them. Being a cock-eyed optimist is no doubt a beautiful and meaningful experience but you can’t get away with reality-blindness for ever, as the ancient alchemists discovered. And even if some people refuse to admit that not everyone is ‘good’, you only have to have a look at the Qur’an to understand that some of us have a different definition of the concept of ‘good’.
Sons of Liberty says
+1 Well said !
Mark Swan says
Absolutely jayell.
Giacomo Latta says
She no doubt had plenty of opportunity to accept the lesson but did not.
mortimer says
JB, your unreferenced, bigoted ejaculations do not add to knowledge anymore than spitting. You are asinine, bigoted, hate-filled and unwilling to learn anything. You are an unwitting stereotype of mindless hate that the enemies of the counterjihad will use to prove we are ‘all’ as mindless and bigoted and unnuanced as you. You do harm to the counterjihad.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, how is condemning a Jihad murderer “asinine, bigoted, hate-filled”? Surely you can’t find anything to praise about this horrifying killing?
I don’t think that condemning Muslims murdering their victims to be “mindless hate”.
Mark Swan says
Yes gravenimage, Absolutely Agree.
While I agree that course language and absurd reasoning is disconcerting,
it is by far more reasonable to allow it than to attempt to script and
edit free speech.
Which is more rude to say something offensive or feign offense,
when it is obvious that the intent is to offend.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Mark.
BC says
There is woolly minded idealism and then there is catastrophic naivete. Both seem to have been at work here but mainly the latter
MTMLA says
Correction…in Spanish, “deja” means leaves, not finds.The creep killed her and left her body alongside the road.
christianblood says
Emilie Green posted
(..Sophia Lösche learned the lesson, if only for the last few seconds of her life..)
I wonder what prevented her from learning the fact that islam is a very dangerous cult of hate and death when she was still alive? Why was she so deluded that she would support islamists and even foolishly jump into a car driven by a hateful islamist? What made her lose her spine, her senses, her roots? What kind of planet was she living on?
kuriakose says
Jay boo, you speak the truth. Why this is offensive to some is beyond me.
jrw says
liberalism requires you to die
Lisa Letto says
The natural naivety of youth is now deadlier than ever
Billy Chickens says
Yes, so true.
Save Europe says
Agreed. Also – as are those in the education system who teach infants up to University students. I seem to recall Leftard Globalist teachers ‘commencing’ their brainwashing, somewhere in the early-mid 90s. With every decade that passes, it gets exponentially worse.
Janwaar Bibi says
Evolution in action – stupid people die.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
So how come muslims are still alive?
Janwaar Bibi says
Because we are dumber than they are – after 1300 years of Islam, our leaders still talk about Islam being a religion of peace and we nod enthusiastically.
mortimer says
Bibi’s comment is a succinct summary of what is wrong with non-Muslims: they refuse to READ THE PRIMARY ISLAMIC SOURCE TEXTS and to STUDY what they mean.
There is no excuse for not reading them.
andra says
We used to have leaders who knew that Islam is our foe. It is hard to understand that today´s leaders rewrite history in order to eliminate their own people.
balam says
To make Naive West aware about ISLAM,films like ‘INNOCENCE OF MUSLIMS’ ,AISHA AND MOHAMMAD and many more should be shown free in cinemas to open the eyes of people.
Mark Berlinger says
Once upon a time the Catholic Church resisted Jihad. But now Bergoglio promotes Islam at every opportunity. Coincidentally in the last nine years the USCCB has received over 534 million in taxpayer dollars for refugee resettlement.
j_not_a says
Some sooner, some later, but justice is always done.
christianblood says
(..So how come muslims are still alive?..)
Very good question!
balam says
Devil has a long life. Only the GOOD die young!!!
c matt says
Well, on the bright side, muzzies are culling the herd.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Another cautionary tale. Another cautionary tale that the MSM has suppressed. The MSM is our enemy in so many ways.
christianblood says
(..The MSM is our enemy in so many ways..)
The MSM & Hollywood are much, much WORSE than ISIS!
gravenimage says
Christianblood has said this before.
He has also said that gay parades are worse than murder.
gravenimage says
Muslim migrant confesses to murder of “Refugees Welcome” activist
…………………
Muslims even butcher people who are foolishly trying to help them. Damn barbarian.
j_not_a says
And this has happened how many times now? The third time?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
This is a regular occurrence. Barenakedislam regularly posts graphic images of victims. At first, I thought this was unwarranted and shouldn’t be done. But why not? The MSM has no problem showing us dead Mohammadan children from bombings (in order to shock us and make us feel guilty). I now support her program of shocking people and forcing them to face the graphic ugliness of Mohammadism.
Now, every time I read a story about a naive supporter/enabler of Mohammadism being its victim, my mind goes to those graphic images. One in particular, will never leave me. A young Swedish woman who had worked for an organization that supported migrants. She had been run down in one of the vehicular jihad attacks. I felt sorry for her, but at the same time, I didn’t.
Not a pretty photo.
Jean says
Flavius etc
You are, I think, mixing up two people, which is a good example of how slippery the slope is of giving up on empathy for murder victims. I do not think there were any post-attack photographs of the woman who had worked to support immigration. And she was middle aged, not young.
The young person on the most gruesome photo – with one leg entirely separated from the body – was a child, a girl of eleven years, named Ebba. Because you could not see her relative size or her face on the photo, several people took her for a grown woman, and commentators were already hurrying to write vile things about how she more or less ‘deserved it’ and probably had ‘voted for it herself’, when the information about her actual age was released.
Ebba Akerlund never had a chance to vote.
Here is the graphic image and one of Ebba in life:
https://me.me/i/her-name-was-ebba-akerlund-after-islam-before-islam-she-13523575
Here are pictures of all five murder victims in life:
http://crimescenedb.com/the-2017-stockholm-truck-attack/
66 year old Marie Kide is the one who was politically active in a pro-immigration party. She did not die on the street that day, but lived for another three weeks before passing away in hospital.
In general, I would like to exhort people to focus all their condemnation on the perpetrators and retain empathy for those who lost their lives to jihadis. No matter what they have done or believed in life, no one deserves to fall prey to jihad, which is basically human sacrifice to the lord of darkness. (That the sign of the creed is the moon in shadow (the darkest time on Earth) is no coincidence.)
Jean says
Flavius Claudius Iulianus
You are, I think, mixing up two people, which is a good example of how slippery the slope is of giving up on empathy for murder victims. I do not think there were any post-attack photographs of the woman who had worked to support immigration. And she was middle aged, not young.
The young person on the most gruesome photo – with one leg entirely separated from the body – was a child, a girl of eleven years, named Ebba. Because you could not see her relative size or her face on the photo, several people took her for a grown woman, and commentators were already hurrying to write vile things about how she more or less ‘deserved it’ and probably had ‘voted for it herself’, when the information about her actual age was released.
Ebba Akerlund never had a chance to vote.
66 year old Marie Kide is the one who was politically active in a pro-immigration party. She did not die on the street that day, but lived for another three weeks before passing away in hospital.
In general, I would like to exhort people to focus all their condemnation on the perpetrators and retain empathy for those who lost their lives to jihadis. No matter what they have done or believed in life, no one deserves to fall prey to jihad, which is basically human sacrifice to the lord of darkness. (That the sign of the creed is the moon in shadow (the darkest time on Earth) is no coincidence.)
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
To Jean:
Sorry Jean but you write as though you were in the room with me when I viewed the article and images.
There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of such photographs on the internet. There are dozens of vehicular jihad incidents. You speak as if you know the exact one in question. How do you know which incident this was? I said she was Swedish but I never spoke about the location. (By the way, the woman I was speaking about **worked at support for migrants** – it had nothing to do with voting and the woman was definitely not 66 yo.) From what you wrote I can only conclude that you are confusing two different incidents/articles.
And this is all moot because the point I am trying to make is I am sympathetic to such people because no human being should die this way. And yet these people hold beliefs and engage in actions that, in the end, endanger US ALL. So, I also feel no sympathy because if these people didn’t exist then the problem would be far easier to solve. It should be clear to you that I am speaking only of those who are victims and held the belief that the perpetrators were harmless. Obviously, there are a lot of victims who held opposite views and for them I am completely sympathetic.
Let me put it a different way: if a fool jumps over an enclosure fence into a lion compound because he believes he is going to ‘save the lions’ then should we be surprised and sympathetic when we find out he was killed? And so by the nature of their politics and activities these people tend to put themselves physically closer to the danger and therefore have a much higher chance of being ‘mauled by the lions.’
Jean says
Flavius C I
Thank you for clarifying. Because there has, to my knowledge, only been one car jihad attack with female casualties in Sweden, and because the photo of the girl Ebba is so harrowing, I thought that you must be referring to precisely that one. My mistake was to infer from the nationality of the victim that the attack itself took place in Sweden. Which of course you did not state. Sorry. Which attack were you referring to, if I may ask?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
To Jean:
I spent quite a lot of time on BNI trying to find it and could not. So I did some backtracking and looked up “Ebba Åkerlund” (re: 2017 Stockholm attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Stockholm_attack). Eventually I was able to find the image that you described. I can say that yes I had seen it as well. But this was not the individual that was described in the article. I distinctly remember the profile and there was a photo and she was not in her sixties – she was in her twenties. She was Swedish but worked abroad. Sometimes BNI will use other images from previous attacks and that sometimes leads to confusion.
And why not? The MSM pummeled us with the image of Alan Kurdî. Why are they so squeamish about the image of the body of this poor little girl, or the body of a rape victim?
But this is moot. As I said before, I feel both sympathy and no sympathy for the fool who enters the lion enclosure ‘to save the lions.’
gravenimage says
Yes–several times, at least.
j_not_a says
In this day and age of information being freely available, there is no excuse for ignorance of history. NO excuse for naivety and stupidity and blind liberalism. People who defend izlum and palis, and no borders stupidity and “refugee welcome” crap are beyond the pale and are child like in their dumb naivite and have no reason for anyone with two brain cells to stand behind them.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
So let’s blame the victim not islam?
j_not_a says
If you deliberately walk onto a freeway into traffic are you going to blame the oncoming cars?
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Yes people will walk into the road if the cars have been disguised by the government to look like pretty little balloons.
eduardo odraude says
Let’s keep things in perspective. Her “crime” was that she was not well-informed. His crime was murder. We should not let our own anger at the useful idiots cause us to lack compassion when one of them is murdered. After all, if the punishment were death for being naive about some things or not fully informed, we’d all be dead.
andra says
You are Right, Sophia is the victim. But why is is not possible for lefties to understand that they are wrong referring to Islam as religion of peace.
This young woman was active in politics. She MUST know the statistics, she surely has agitated against AfD and Pegida which are both quite actice in that area.
I asure you I have never blamed the victims but it gets hard at some Point not to do so when you read every other day that there are still European women who trust in Muslim men and meet their fate. On top you can hardly imagine the hate and cruelty these young lefties meet the conservatives with. They destroy windows, burn cars and even beat up AfD- and Pegida sympathizers. They menance those who organize peaceful ralleys. It is hard to keep up your sympathy.
gravenimage says
True, Susan and Eduardo.
MTMLA says
These brainwashed zombies who help and welcome muslimes into our societies put our lives in danger by supporting the arrival and care of even more of these monsters. Feed an alligator and eventually it’ll turn on you. There is no excuse for not knowing what islam and muslimes are really about. Can’t fix stupid.
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..Muslims even butcher people who are foolishly trying to help them. Damn barbarian..)
Drunk with the teachings of islamist death-cult, muslims can barbaric beasts with NO human conscience, whatsoever!
gravenimage says
Agreed. Good to see you saying something critical of Jihad, Christianblood.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Western jihadist enablers are worse than jihadists so it would be very stupid not to criticize them even more than criticizing the jihadists!
balam says
One Pakistan SNAKE CHARMER was asked’ Why don’t you take the VENOM out of the SNAKE.If you take the VENOM out ,that would kill the SNAKE.That was his honest reply. Islam is the VENOM in every Muslim.Sir.Winston Churchill wrote that ISLAM IN A MUSLIM WAS LIKE RABIES IN A DOG.Hence one has to beware of the RABID DOGS.
Giacomo Latta says
With Muslims it’s dick first, brain second.
gravenimage says
Grimly spot on, Jay Boo.
Lydia Church says
Well, if she was a ‘refugees welcome’ activist, then it is like she got what she was asking for.
It is sad.
Of course. Otherwise there would not be a problem.
But if people don’t start gliding up the learning curve with the migrant troubles, then they are welcoming in more of this mayhem. The later it is, the more they themselves are to blame.
I can see at the beginning out of utter ignorance feeling that way, but then and only then. But I knew something was wrong right away.
But now there is simply no excuse to welcome them, except for the persecuted Christian minority and such.
It is typical of the snowflake leftist uninformed types, out on a ‘humanitarian’ mission.
Don’t get me wrong, I am in favor of humanitarian actions and do many good things myself to help the poor and stuff. But, you always have to use discretion, caution, good judgement, scrutiny, and savvy. What is the overall agenda? That is the question to always ask first. What is the goal? What will be accomplished? Like giving money to a drunk on the corner, or to Turkey or someplace like that, you can only imagine what evils the money will be used for, and that makes you a willing participant. Of course, you may mean well and truly not know or remain uninformed for some time, I don’t mean that. I mean cases where people pour money down to terrorist organizations, give a hand up to a jihadist, and other just plain a_ _ -over brains stupid acts of ‘goodwill’!
j_not_a says
If all the shit that has happened in Europe over the last 40 years up until now with muzzlums has not woken them up, it never will. They deserve what they get from this point on. I sincerely mean it.
j_not_a says
Actually what has happened in Europe over the last 1400 years is more like it, I made a giant typo.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
It would be nice if the MSM let citizens know what was going on. How are people that still watch the MSM to know about this crap. I live in a place where none of this is visible and so people are totally unaware, and if you try to talk about the problem of islam and muslims they start to size you up for a straight jacket. Please do not be so quick to blame the victims of the government and MSM. The government using the MSM have been and are still covering and hiding the truth. Many people who try to help unfortunates and have no concept of how evil islam and it’s followers are, will walk blindly into a den of savages who their own governments disguises as refugees.
Jaime says
“Don’t get me wrong, I am in favor of humanit…”
Please, do not be politically correct. Just say what you think.
MTMLA says
Kindness without wisdom can be very dangerous and destructive , as Dennis Prager wisely says…not exactly his words but the essence of what he says is very correct and wise.
SAE says
…”you can only imagine the evils the money will be used for”…like billions of our taxpayer dollars deceptively given to Iran by hussein obama.
Dapto says
Another Murder comited by Merkel
j_not_a says
Sorry, don’t agree, see my post above
DragarOz says
Wipe the disease out and show NO mercy! What ever it takes!
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Dragaroz, people need to know about the disease of islam before they can treat it. Unfortunately the government using their propaganda tool the MSM make sure they do not.
rubiconcrest says
… then you better start with George W. Bush who to this day has not corrected his ‘religion of peace’ falsehood.
SAE says
Then, Laura Bush piled on with her dishonest, ridiculous statements about Trump’s handling of illegal aliens. I never heard meek Laura complain during Obama’s disastrous reign. The Bush dynasty is one world order, globalist focused. Read my lips.
Ronen says
It’s so sad. Such a beautiful inocent sol.
SAE says
Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Japetto Danatelli says
…she helped impoverished immigrants.
I took one last look at JW in bed with my Kindle and saw this story, I had to fire up my computer and say a few words after I read some of the other comments.
It’s hard for me not to feel conflicted about this. On the one hand it’s like she was asking for what she got, but on the other I still don’t feel right thinking this immigrant activist “got what she deserved.” In another time and place with a different kind of immigrant her work might be considered commendable, charitable, even noble. But the Western world is in a crisis right now with a new kind of immigrant that does not share our values or appreciate our humanity, you know who I mean. It’s only natural that a good-hearted person in her line of work might, perhaps naively, extend her good intentions toward muslims too. It’s like a doctor sworn to the Hippocratic Oath who tries to save the life of even their enemy, or a lawyer who works just as hard for the rights of the worst kind of criminal. I can understand how her ethics for humanity might compel the same kind of unbiased treatment of all immigrants in need. It seems grossly unfair to blame the prevailing mental illness the West has for islam on this one murder victim’s shoulders with condemnation. I’m not excusing her or others like her completely; but really, we got tons of lying politicians and media working with all their black hearts to advance islam, this one activist who “helped impoverished immigrants” is the last person on my list to condemn. If it turned out she was a hard core islamist in support of sharia and terror then naturally I would feel differently.
The obvious lesson here for me is that nobody is immune from the violence and bigotry muslims bring, even those who are working extra hard to help them. The appeasing politicians and media will not be exempt from the horrors they are helping create with their complicity. In the end we will all be living in the same self-imposed prison of islamic supremacy and all the sickness and crime it brings.
Feel free to criticize my sympathetic view toward this immigrant activist. I don’t care, I refuse to let my disdain for islam rob me of my sense of humanity. Of course I would not have agreed with her stance on muslim immigration, but the basic goodness inherent to her line of work preclude me from feeling smug satisfaction in her murder. I sympathize with her family, they must be devastated. I only hope our current leaders come to their senses about muslim immigration and admit what we JW fans already know: islam is wholly incompatible with western values and human rights, and will wreak havoc on our security and our freedoms if allowed to grow unchecked.
gravenimage says
I agree, Japetto.
Japetto Danatelli says
Thanks, Graven. I’m off to bed.
christianblood says
Japetto Danatelli posted
(.. But the Western world is in a crisis right now with a new kind of immigrant that does not share our values or appreciate our humanity, you know who I mean..)
Western world thinks that Russians and Putin are an existential danger to them and that islamic jihadists are their buddies and allies!
As we speak, America and Nato have 19 basis in which ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other islamic terrorist groups are trained open in Syria:
https://theduran.com/us-operating-19-terrorist-training-camps-in-syria/
Japetto Danatelli says
Western world thinks that Russians and Putin are an existential danger to them and that islamic jihadists are their buddies and allies!
If it’s true–and it probably is–my initial reaction is, “Good work!” Putin is an existential danger as is Turkey. If our Pentagon can harness the fighting spirit of those “islamic jihadists” to achieve our strategic objectives then I think that’s a good thing. Better for us to help them risk their own lives than the lives of our own people. Of course I don’t like war any more than anyone else. But as a realist living on a small and dangerous planet I recognize the need sometimes for pro-active involvement in world affairs. War makes for strange bedfellows. There is no safe corner on planet earth, everything important affects everyone else. We got about a dozen nations, for good or ill, involved in this Middle East Crisis, it should come as no surprise the most powerful nation on earth is too. I’m not going to apologize for my government when they’re smart in their methods. Our foreign policy did not create terrorists who kill for allah, that’s 14 centuries old. If supporting those “jihadists” serves our own best interests and our allies then all is fair in love and war. War itself is terrorism. Much of the world is in a brawl right now because islam is a catalyst for violence and hate. I’m not going to subject my own government to excessive moralizing when everyone else is just as dirty in their methods.
There’s plenty of evidence for state sponsored terrorism against the west. Our actions must be seen in that context for proper perspective. That’s my average guy view.
christianblood says
Japetto Danatelli
Turkey is a member of the US-led Nato and a US ally as is Saudi Arabia, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, White Helmets, Muslim brotherhood and many other islamist terrorist groups and nations! For decades US has been an ally of islamist jihadists, in fact, Osama Bin-Laden was an American hero before turned America’s most wanted! As I point out in the article above, currently US has 19 terrorist training camps in Syria alone! Now, what is the terrorist-backing US army and its transgendered vassalites doing at Russia’s Western borders which thousands of miles away from the US mainland? See it below:
https://russia-insider.com/en/texan-ukraine-american-people-overthrow-your-kleptocratic-oppressors/ri22745
Japetto Danatelli says
Christianblood,
First off, I question the value of your source, the “Russian Insider,” looks like Russian propaganda to me. But putting that aside, what are you saying with all this? and how does this pertain to this activist’s death? Are you saying we’re part of the problem? that we’re hypocrites concerning terrorism? that we’re worse than everyone else? that I’m wrong in condemning islam and that America is just as bad? My goal in here is simple, to support Spencer and stay informed about islam’s destruction of the West, and I suppose to blab a little on the subject. American policy did not create islamic jihad, if my government finds it to their advantage to exploit certain jihadists in times of conflict then I consider that par for the course. I prefer we not even be in Syria, it’s a lose-lose situation in my view. But if we’re going to embroil ourselves then I shouldn’t be surprised to see dirty alliances and sneaky methods. War is war. I’m not at all disappointed or surprised that our government has exploited terrorists militarily any more than I’m surprised they’ve used tanks and guns. What do you expect me to do, throw my hands over my mouth and exclaim, “Oh my god! you’re kidding?” F*ck the enemy, if an alliance with terrorists will serve our military objectives then I’m all for it.
Nobody and nothing can dilute my enthusiasm against islam’s bigoted and violent doctrines. No moral equivalence, no past sins, nothing that anyone else does, will stop me from speaking against islam. Islam is evil all on its own, in the light of day or the darkest night, islam will always be something to condemn. Islam would be evil even without muslim terror, as it provokes oppression, suffering, and crime for ignorant religious ideas, there could never be a “just war” for islam. It is our democratic ideals and human rights that is worth fighting for, I support my government wholeheartedly in its defense. So thanks for your links, but if you were hoping for some highly intelligent diplomat’s view of Syria then sorry to let you down. I’m just an average intellect that hates murderous ideologies that pretend to be a religion.
christianblood says
Japetto Danatelli
I also hate islamic jihadist ideology and I wish it was annihilated from the face of the planet! What I am saying is that US governments collaborate and been collaborating with islamic jihadists for decades to further their own hegemony and to push their own imperialist agenda and this is very wrong and very immoral! To give you a fresh example, Trump just opened 19 jihadist training camps in the part of Syria where the US is illegally occupied. (See it below). Also let us remember the fact that the US bombed Christian Serbs and created two ISLAMIST STATES known as (Kosovo & Bosnia) in Eastern Europe! If this doesn’t outrage you, I can’t take your words that you hate islamists as serious!
https://theduran.com/us-operating-19-terrorist-training-camps-in-syria/
Japetto Danatelli says
What I am saying is that US governments collaborate and been collaborating with islamic jihadists for decades to further their own hegemony and to push their own imperialist agenda…
Forgive me for not wanting to engage in a lengthy, involved discussion about my nation’s foreign policy. I know we’ve made mistakes, every nation does. But I’m not going to equivocate or compromise my position on islam for anything. If my government is acting immoral then I hope we mend our ways. If we are committing criminal acts, then I condemn them. But none of this takes precedence over my primary agenda in this forum. I don’t fault you or anyone from taking a good hard look at our government’s actions, that’s fine with me. It should be the duty of any moral, ethical nation to constantly reassess their involvement in any conflict or war, to ask themselves, “is this right? moral or immoral? too self-serving? I’m proud of our military and I think we are fundamentally a good nation. We have done so much for others because we are blessed ourselves. But I think as far as islam is concerned we need to think outside the box and realize what the whole world is learning through much bloodshed that islam is a violent, supremacist ideology that is wholly incompatible with the West. That’s what’s important to me in this forum. If our nation feels it’s in our best interest to make a deal with that devil in time of conflict then I won’t be too shocked, war is a dirty business. I love my country, if any citizen is not happy with how we do things then they’re welcome to work for something better. Until then perhaps they should judge less those who work hard to keep us safe and secure in the greatest nation on earth.
There’s nothing wrong with what you’ve said, it’s simply the wrong place at the wrong time in my opinion. This thread was about the murder of a young immigrant activist, not America’s exploitation of unsavory characters in time of war. In another discussion you might go far with this line of reasoning, I wish you the best. Thanks.
eduardo odraude says
Japetto, you’ve expressed my sentiments just about exactly. Thank you.
I’d add that the same compassion one can feel for this murdered activist one can also feel for many Muslims. Had we been born in their circumstances, we would be Muslims ourselves and in many cases we would be as blind as they are to Islam’s evil totalitarian character. If you are born into something, if the shahada is even whispered in your ear as the first words you hear as an infant, the brainwashing is deep. And think about it. As an infant, the people you love most in the world are your parents and close relatives — if they are all Muslims, you associate your love with Islam, though Islam deserves only disgust as a totalitarian system. You take in Islam with your mother’s milk, a terrifying fate.
Having compassion does not mean being stupid, however. On airlines, the instruction to mothers is to put on their own oxygen before attempting to get the oxygen on their children. The point is, if we let large numbers of Muslims into non-Muslim nations, we will not help Muslims but only destroy ourselves. To help Muslims, the policy should be as follows:
Institute a moratorium on Muslim immigration until such time as a majority of Muslim-majority nations permit freedom of speech and freedom of religion. THAT would help Muslims, not this foolish “progressive” policy of pandering to Islamic totalitarianism and encouraging more and more Islamic immigration. We will only destroy ourselves rather than help Muslims to escape their totalitarian prisons. And the Muslims we should care about are not the devout ones, but the silent ones who want to abandon Islam but cannot openly do so for fear of being killed. Also the Muslims who might start questioning Islam and exploring other possibilities, but cannot do so because of the danger and repression in their societies. Our whole policy should revolve around helping nominal Muslims and potential non-Muslims. If politics requires masking such policies in broader ones that don’t target Muslims, fine, the practical result is what matters. To liberate everyone.
Japetto Danatelli says
The point is, if we let large numbers of Muslims into non-Muslim nations, we will not help Muslims but only destroy ourselves.
Thanks eduardo, we essentially think alike on the matter, nobody wins with too many muslims. There are gray areas where one could debate or philosophize for days on end, but most sane people accept the essential truth that islam is not compatible with western values. Allowing large numbers of muslims in always comes with an inordinate amount of terror and social discord. That’s why I don’t want islam or muslims in America, don’t want to end up like Europe and Britain. It’s not a race thing, it’s about people who live for a “religion” that teaches and provokes bigotry, terror, and oppression. I’m against that, as all good people should. Like you said, the umma needs to do their part to ensure basic freedoms like free speech and religious freedom are secure from theocratic intimidation and terror. Only then can we hope to find a common ground for maintaining peace. By standing up to islamic bullying we not only help ourselves but muslims too, just like you said. The islamic creed with all its violence has never been, and never will be, conducive to peace and freedom. It is our democracy and human rights that provide the best hope for universal peace.
CT says
Great comment. In the name of humanity, I mourn her unnecessary death at the hands of naive academics, self-serving politicians and media leaders, and, oh, yes, the man they told her was harmless despite being his born into a violent, totalitarian, and misogynistic ideology.
Muhammed Jacob says
MUSLIMS BEING USED BY BILDERBERG GROUP TO DESTROY NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY!
Think Henry Kissinger! Think Peter Sutherland! Think Pope Francis! Think NWO!
You don’t have a single brain cell in your heads!
This is all planned!
andra says
The muslims are not used, they Play their role quite happily and follow their own Agenda. in the 1970ies the Algerian president already predicted the invasion of Europe.
In the 1990 Erdogan has cited the poem that “mosques are their barracks” and the OIC has planned to invade Europe with fake refugees.
Don´t you think you´re quite racist if you believe that Muslims are so dum that they let themselves being used by kuffar?
abu taleb says
Call me a racist, bigot etc, I don’t care. But I don’t trust any muslim for a good reason, they adhere to a religion that commands them to oppress and annihilate non muslims, that includes me.
Should I trust any muslim? Am I a bigot racist?
DragarOz says
To any sane person Abu, no you are not.
However racism is a matter of perspective, what the small minded leftist twats don’t get is that everyone is racist from a certain point of view.
The most overused word in the world at the moment. rapidly losing its meaning.
I would rather be cautious and safe and be called racist, as opposed to be stupid and dead with “at least he was not a racist” on my headstone.
MTMLA says
Islam is not a race. It’s a totalitarian ideology with some religion thrown into it. There are people of many races who embrace islam. You can change your ideology, but you cannot change your race. So, you are not a racist for opposing islam.
Japetto Danatelli says
Should I trust any muslim? Am I a bigot racist?
You are not a racist for being concerned, you are acting prudent. It’s the nice “moderates” I fear the most, it’s on their backs the bad ones come. And who are the bad ones? they are the ones that used to be “nice” until they no longer were. I would liken these “nice” muslims to a neighbor that knows how to stay within the confines of the law while terrorizing your peace and happiness. No one thing they do is enough to get them caught or arrested, it’s the multitude of little offenses that just pile up. If you’ve ever lived in a cheap apartment with an obnoxious, spiteful drunk as a neighbor then you know what I’m talking about. There’s no law against “sticking together,” so they build their enclaves. There’s no law against voting for your candidate, so they vote in those who are fully for islam. There’s no law against worshiping an evil god, so they live with impunity for a demon that teaches a murderous hatred for everyone else–it’s all perfectly legal. And when one of those “nice” muslims kills or terrorizes us then they “don’t represent islam,” it’s the perfect scam in our multicultural hell the leftist appeasers have created. It’s like if a thousand people each graced your body with a tiny cut, no one of which kills you, but collectively they bleed you to death. That’s what islam and muslims mean to me. So if you’re a racist then so am I, cuz I feel the same damn way, probably worse.
christianblood says
abu taleb posted
(..Call me a racist, bigot etc, I don’t care. But I don’t trust any muslim for a good reason, they adhere to a religion that commands them to oppress and annihilate non muslims, that includes me. Should I trust any muslim? Am I a bigot racist?..)
You are NOT a bigot or a racist abu taleb! You are a good human being with a healthy common sense and intelligence! God bless you!
Benedict says
Sophia Lösche was a victim and a perpetrator at the same time but it is impossible to decide the proportionality exactly. When seeing the truck driver her suspicion of his immoral religion should have been awakened and called for caution.
The bulk of the condemnation for this evil act rests heavily on the Muslim truck driver though.
gravenimage says
She was a victim. She was no less a victim for having been foolish.
Benedict says
Maybe she was hoping for a little sexual adventure? – which is a common but sensitive and therefore seldom explored motive for social workers and their romanticized commitments. Where I come from it is overwhelmingly women who work with immigrants and that should awaken our suspicion – And if that’s foolishness: to what extent was she responsible for her foolishness?
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Benedict please leave this site and go to one of your female hating MGTOW sites that is your real passion is it not? Hell you would actually make a good muslim your hatred and disdain for females falls in line with islamic doctrine.
andra says
She was not foolish. As a politician – and she was not just a member of the SPD but in a leading position – she must have been well-informed.
christianblood says
Benedict
Well-said!
Benedict says
Thank you, cb. –
When you help Muslims – as social workers often do – you’d better understand the psychology of the process: needing help places one in a weaker position and that runs counter to the pride induced in Muslims by their religion. The (subconscious) mental reaction is often disdain for those who help, because what’s in it for them? – except the humiliation of those who belong to a superior creed, e.g.?
Benedict says
Thank you, cb. –
When you help Muslims – as social workers often do – you’d better understand the psychology of the process: needing help places one in a weaker position and that runs counter to the pride induced in Muslims by their religion. The (subconscious) mental reaction is often disdain for those who help, because what’s in it for them? – except the humiliation of those who belong to a superior creed, e.g.?
christianblood says
Benedict
You are welcome bro! Keep it up!
Chris Malan says
The reality which one denies can kill one.
Ginny says
Just think how many women suffer this kind of thing EVERY DAY in these sub-barbaric cultures (not just Islam, but guaranteed under Islam). Sophie had no sympathy for other victims and as a leftist party organizer she was active in suppressing — including violently — the information she should have known about these cultures. She was a willing enabler of evil. Just like the guys who managed and enabled Auschwitz. They didn’t know either, did they. But the truth can’t be more in your face than it is now. Christian and Yezidi refugees are everywhere in Germany. They will tell you. Just ask.
MTMLA says
No excuse for not knowing about the violence perpetrated by muslimes…it’s all over her own country.
Indiana Tom says
Mumble, something. No good deed goes unpunished. But this falls more into the category of play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
Creole Gumbo says
The Snake
Al Wilson
On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
“Poor thing, ” she cried, “I’ll take you in and I’ll take care of you”
“Take me in tender woman
Take me in, for heaven’s sake
Take me in, tender woman, ” sighed the snake
She wrapped him up all cozy in a comforter of silk
And laid him by her fireside with some honey and some milk
She hurried home from work that night and soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she’d taken to had been revived
“Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven’s sake
Take me in, tender woman, ” sighed the snake
She clutched him to her bosom, “You’re so beautiful, ” she cried
“But if I hadn’t brought you in by now you might have died”
She stroked his pretty skin again and kissed and held him tight
Instead of saying thanks, the snake gave her a vicious bite
“Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven’s sake
Take me in, tender woman, ” sighed the snake
“I saved you, ” cried the woman
“And you’ve bitten me, but why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I’m going to die”
“Oh shut up, silly woman, ” said the reptile with a grin
“You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
“Take me in, tender woman
Take me in, for heaven’s sake
Take me in, tender woman, ” sighed the snake
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Thanks Greole for posting the poem, I have attached the link of a video where Trump narrates this poem it is very powerful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJ-iv3MOTo
The European says
She was an immigrant activist, and I disagree with evenrything she stood for, but I can also see that her concern for immigrants was genuine and heart-felt. Her sentiments were noble and she was full of good intentions, I would never condemn her for that, and yes, I feel sorry for her and for her family, she didn’t deserve this.
But one must not overlook that her head was full of bad ideas, she was naive, misguided, mindless, she had blind faith, she didn’t know a thing about the nefariousness of Islam and the wickedness of many Muslim men who think that unveiled women are fair game.
Blinded by multiculturalist and anti-patriotic propaganda, she was doing the bidding of sharia-minded Muslims and EU technocrats and semi-dictators who are abusing noble sentiments and good intentions because they want to push forward their agenda: the destruction of European nations and Nation-states via illegal mass immigration from Islamic and African countries. They don’t consider immigrants human beings, the don’t really care about them, to them immigrants are expendables, pawns on a chessboard.
It is high time that these immigrant activists take off their blinders and start facing reality.
MTMLA says
The killer doesn’t represent islam, he’s mentally ill, it’s an individual case and more excuses.
SAE says
Yeah right. Wake up & smell the bacon MTMLA. ??
No Muzzies Here says
We can hope that other well-meaning but delusional individuals learn from this murder. But they won’t. A mind that thinks that all cultures are the same, and that dark-skinned individuals are oppressed, will never be open enough to see the truth – that adherence to their religion has made them hate non-members, and willing and happy to rape and murder them.
Go help people who won’t rape and kill you!
kouldb says
Which is why I feel nothing but contempt for “feminists” of her ilk. As a woman myself. I have never been so betrayed as I have by these reptilian appeasers. Whores of hell.
tim gallagher says
No Muzzies Here,When I read this report, I felt some sorrow for this murdered woman, a sort of idiotically idealistic type of person, ( but at the same time I really have very little time for the people who haven’t woken up Islam’s obvious evil,after so much evidence,) but my main reaction was that maybe her murder might wake up a few hundred of her fellow pro-Muslim refugee idiots. However, I think you are probably right when you say, “But they won’t”. Maybe a few will wake up and change their attitudes.. I think plenty of them would have too much pride to admit they are wrong. Good comment, kouldb. I also can’t believe the western “feminists” who protect the greatest misogynists ever, the Muslims. Their attitude is truly sickening.
Warmac9999 says
There are different kinds of victims – those who are blameless and those who are not. When you deliberately put yourself at risk, then you share some of the blame for the reward you get. The don’t blame the victim idea is new age talk – easy to spout and so politically correct. In many churches you hear “blame the sin, not the sinner” (as if, somehow, a murder is disconnected from the murderer.). The “devil made me do it” excuses everything.
MTMLA says
The same with, I hate islam , but not muslims….how do you separate one from the other? Muslims keep islam alive, in my opinion.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Warmac9999 and MTMLA “The don’t blame the victim idea is new age talk”, “blame the sin, not the sinner”, “I hate islam , but not muslims”.
I know I am awake to the evil of islam but forgot about the enabling of stupidity. Sadly I have used those terms. Thanks for a little wake up call. The enemy on the left is almost as formidable as islam.
Everyone that called me out for my “don’t blame the victim” crap is right. These leftest know what is going on and there is nothing innocent about them. They are trying to destroy their own rich cultures because of their own self hate.
kouldb says
As a woman. I can honestly say. She got what she deserved. For never have women been so betrayed. Not even by the most vilest of men. Through all of history. As they have by today’s venal “feminists” of her ilk. Never! They have sacrificed not only themselves, but us, our daughters & their daughters. For generations to come. For the sake of diversity in the form of misogynistic, totalitarian & racist Islam. May she rot in hell. Along with the rest of her self-absorbed, self-entitled, selfish cretinous sisters.
MTMLA says
Thumb up.
Rivahmitch says
She earned her fate. Sorry for her family but…..
MTMLA says
Merkel is destroying Germany and the whole Europe with open borders out of humanitarian kindness, she says. We see the results…This foolish young victim is no better that Merkel and was complicit in her own violent death by aiding these monsters…and riding in a car with a stranger, and a muslime on top of that, can only spell disaster.
Politicianophobia says
I watched a documentary film yesterday about Hitler. It was sad to see the hundreds of thousands of people smiling, throwing flowers, waving frantically at their invaders drove in to their cities and towns. Oh well.
Politicianophobia says
as their invaders drove into their cities and towns. Oh well!
eduardo odraude says
Japetto, you’ve expressed my sentiments just about exactly. Thank you.
I’d add that the same compassion one can feel for this murdered activist one can also feel for many Muslims. Had we been born in their circumstances, we would be Muslims ourselves and in many cases we would be as blind as they are to Islam’s evil totalitarian character. If you are born into something, if the shahada is even whispered in your ear as the first words you hear as an infant, the brainwashing is deep. And think about it. As an infant, the people you love most in the world are your parents and close relatives — if they are all Muslims, you associate your love with Islam, though Islam deserves only disgust as a totalitarian system. You take in Islam with your mother’s milk, a terrifying fate.
Having compassion does not mean being stupid, however. On airlines, the instruction to mothers is to put on their own oxygen before attempting to get the oxygen on their children. The point is, if we let large numbers of Muslims into non-Muslim nations, we will not help Muslims but only destroy ourselves. To help Muslims, the policy should be as follows:
Institute a moratorium on Muslim immigration until such time as a majority of Muslim-majority nations permit freedom of speech and freedom of religion. THAT would help Muslims, not this foolish “progressive” policy of pandering to Islamic totalitarianism and encouraging more and more Islamic immigration. We will only destroy ourselves rather than help Muslims to escape their totalitarian prisons. And the Muslims we should care about are not the devout ones, but the silent ones who want to abandon Islam but cannot openly do so for fear of being killed. Also the Muslims who might start questioning Islam and exploring other possibilities, but cannot do so because of the danger and repression in their societies. Our whole policy should revolve around helping nominal Muslims and potential non-Muslims. If politics requires masking such policies in broader ones that don’t target Muslims, fine, the practical result is what matters. To liberate everyone.
abad says
Moslems can not now nor ever be refugees. Plain and simple.
Western Europe clearly needs to be purged of Islam and its followers.
Mirren10 says
Knaves and fools get paid out, but fools first.