Ramadan Day 17 thought for the day from my new book The History of Jihad: during Ramadan in 1504, the Delhi sultan Sikandar Lodi, in the words of the contemporary Muslim historian Niamatullah, “ordered the temples and idols to be demolished, and mosques to be constructed.” Then he “moved out on a plundering expedition into the surrounding country, where he butchered many people, took many prisoners, and devoted to utter destruction all the groves and habitations; and after gratifying and honouring himself by this exhibition of holy zeal he returned to his capital Bayana.”
Yes, plundering, butchering, and destroying temples was, as far as Niamatullah was concerned, an “exhibition of holy zeal.” Niamatullah wrote admiringly of Sikandar Lodi that “the Islamic sentiment [in him] was so strong that he demolished all temples in his kingdom and left no trace of them. He constructed sarais, bazars, madrasas and mosques in Mathura, which is a holy place of the Hindus and where they go for bathing. He appointed government officials in order to make sure that no Hindu could bathe in Mathura. No barber was permitted to shave the head of any Hindu with his razor. That is how he completely curtailed the public celebration of infidel customs. If a Hindu went there for bathing even by mistake, he was made to lose his limbs and punished severely. No Hindu could get shaved at that place. No barber would go near a Hindu, whatever be the payment offered.”
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Elizabeth Lawson says
Yawn, and yet another historic account of Muslim slaughter of innocents. I might get interested if I read of a concerted effort by those of ALL faiths to resolve resolutely, to END this barbarity. We read conflicting numbers of victims at the hands of these warlords ranging all the way up to 800 million. The victims come from all faiths and all races – but Muslim. Isn’t it time, long overdue, that all we future intended victims join in a decisive campaign to push these Islamists back to the Arabian desert where they belong?
Hari Singh says
Muslims mere humans cannot overrule the Koranic/Hadith commands of Allah. Reason not ethics have no place in Islam.
Muslims today still attack Hindu Temples as was just recently done in the Netherlands. These attacks are obligatory as part of dozens of commands to destroy idolaters and idols.
Some Islamic authorities consider Roman Catholic for their statues and Orthodox Christians for their Icons idolaters as well.
We should not plan for Muslims to change soon. The greatest mercy to them is to prove that both Muhammad and the Koran are false.
Ezra says
Moslems will not change for they follow Satan (do remember that allah is a polytheistic god synthesized out of the ancient Babylonian pantheon). The One Yahua is a tolerant Father who accords Man the free will to whore after other false gods, but who has graciously provided the remedy for that sin by offering the salvation of Yeshua. Yahua is intolerant of sin, but you choose to live or die for all eternity. He will not force you to believe and follow Him – it is your choice so choose wisely,
KJW says
The Arab countries have an issue with the negation of their history and put on face as if these things didn’t happen, they don’t teach much of it, and you’ll hear young Muslims hypocritically not mentioning it. Black Africans are frustrated with the West’s lack of recognition and teaching of the treatment of black Africans, the racism and current slavery justified by imams because of Islam.
Furthermore, the Saudis, et al. try to censor our books as they have invested in western textbook publishing companies. Our young students are getting a skewed understanding of history. Thus, we are compelled to counter that because they hide it. I have looked at a website of Muslims, some previously on Obama appointed councils who make dhimmitude and the agreements made between the different faiths (those Christians and Jews who could practice their faith) sound positive with nary a mention of the 20 or so rules dhimmis had to abide by including wearing 4 lbs of camel skin or wood to mark them apart from Muslims. The triumphalism attitudes of building mosques persist today; it’s culturally obnoxious.
Since globalist elites, the UN, the EU, the European Cpmmission, our universities, some of our own politicians, etc. are coddling false or the negation of history, it’s imperative to explain it more correctly. It’s obvious why this bs is being done.
Saudi Arabia still doesn’t let Christians outwardly celebrate their holidays. No -Saudis can’t be citizens, and so on. Some Americans who have visited there say it’s “joyless” even if people are nice.
Thus, you’ll have to criticize those non-Muslims who enable these centuries-old ideas that are a detriment to the world. We’re up against a lot of money and greed. Robert, among other scholars throughout the world, and even some commenters who have studied much, have more integrity in their thumbs then our universities these days. Yawn all you want, but things won’t magically change in the way you’d like them to.
Terry Gain says
Jay Boo
Your attack on Elizabeth is unwarranted. I believe that her yawn indicates a tiredness with the Jihad. You have confused it with indifference. It is the opposite.
Cicero says
The YAWN shows indifference to the knowledge of the Islamic persecution of Hindus in their homeland – it was and continues to be utterly barbaric. A thousand year assault on the very fabric of Hindu people Hindu culture and Hindu spiritual traditions. The lady ‘s yawn is emblematic of the Western indifference to the sufferings of the people of India at the Hands of that barbaric political ideology masquerading as spiritual tradition. Is it because they are non white and follow a “pagan idolatrous religion “?
Yerg says
How are you so smart as to know exactly what it is that Elizabeth intends to say?
mortimer says
I agree with what Elizabeth seems to be saying: Talking ABOUT the facts will not change them. What can we DO to stop Islam.
Well, Elizabeth, I submit that you are one of the few informed people today and that when most people are as well informed, we will be able to take action.
It is the uninformed who are holding us back. And some mindless bigots hold us back by not understanding the issues thoroughly while making ad hominem attacks against the Muslims. This gives enemies of the counterjihad to overgeneralize and claim that the CJ is a bunch of lazy, uninformed bigots.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, opposing the horrors of Jihad and Shari’ah does *not* make one a bigot, nor uninformed.
Lydia Church says
I don’t get what has happened to mortimer.
Sometimes he makes sensible comments, but sometimes… lately…. I fear he has been brainwashed somewhere.
Carol the 1st says
mortimer…in order for us to have a more balanced viewpoint we need only go on YouTube and then we’ll *easily* see who the uninformed bigots are. CounterJihadist’s may make “cracks” but they’re head and shoulders above the “crackpots” who deny Islam is malignant while uttering the most ludicrous lies, “facts”, and comments.
Uninformed, naive people sometimes actually need to see someone throw up in the toilet before they have it sink in that the food is seriously BAD. Warning them should be our natural-born prerogative.
Carol the 1st says
…and mincing words is nice and genteel but it will inevitably dull the impact. We just need to tread the line between real, justified emotion and excessive and abusive shadow-boxing.
Andy says
Tommy Robinson Exposes Orwellian Nightmare in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baPixUFYHhs
Johm says
Islam is a geopolitical system of bebotched prinicipals. They are right ! They don’t want anyone reporting this stupid system of subservience to a fallen system of debotched laws ! A system of fools not justice of any kind under God and God will eventually deal with you bankrupt people ! Mark my words ! The King is coming !
VRWC member77 says
Perhaps it doesn’t matter much but I see the points both mortimer and Jay Boo are trying to make.
I think mortimer believes the strategy of Dr. Bill Warner is the most effective. For example: attack muhammud since he is pattern of conduct that all muslims should follow (surah 33:21). Since muhammud was such a vile figure it is easier to show all kafirs and even muslims who are not familiar with muhammud, the absurdity and immorality of Islam. I think mortimer also believes that when we attack muslims in a general sense the left seizes the “make hay” opportunity and puts us on the defensive.
I think Jay Boo is saying that anyone who doesn’t see the absurdities of this vile cult – muslims or otherwise – has no excuse since information is only a couple of mouse clicks away.
It can be difficult to determine which tact to follow as it depends on someone’s individual life situation. I presently work with and have worked with muslims on a daily basis. Some of them were/are decent people from a professional standpoint. Some were jerks and it was easy to attack them from host of standpoints. Most recently I have been working with one for a short while and get along very well with him. We have never engaged in a political discussion but if it was ever imposed on me I would fully engage on a factual basis. But then perhaps that isn’t good enough and I need to take the fight to the enemy. I do however also want to stay employed.
We’re all fighting a difficult war.
Carol the 1st says
Elizabeth is just hoping we’ll get organized one of these centuries. We all tend to glibly walk away from the grave-site in order to get on with life but ‘DEATH BY MUSLIM” needs to hold our serious, concerted attention.
Carol the 1st says
Elizabeth…I, for one, liked the impact of you starting off with a YAWN. You broke the monotony of our chronic (but justified) bad-mouthing of Islam.
gravenimage says
Muslim ruler celebrates Ramadan: “He butchered many people and demolished all Hindu temples in his kingdom”
…………………….
Another pious Muslim…
Jaladhi says
Muslims from the very beginning have been murderers, butchers, rapists, thieves, invaders, looters,, etc, etc,… are they human beings or are they aliens from Mars?
pemba says
please do not insult aliens from Mars, they will get offended by addressing them as murders, butchers, rapists, thieves, invaders, or looters,
In facts Muslims are the reed of Propet Muhamed
Carol the 1st says
I think it would be more fun and appropo to call them the “staff” of Prophet Moe.
Hari Singh says
Well done, we often forget that millions ( scholars say between 50-100 million) Indian non-Muslims were killed in the one thousand years of Indian Islam.
mortimer says
Historians have found that the population of India dropped by 80 million after the Muslim invasion.
Carol the 1st says
And that doesn’t count COLLATERAL DAMAGE – about five times the death figure.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Hari Singh,
What does the Indian government say about these murders? I have always heard that the hard condition of the Indian continent was the fault of the British.
Algeria blames France too, but the Algerians seem to have nothing to say about the Ottoman domination.
Millions of Europeans have been kidnapped or sold and they became slaves in the Muslim world http://www.newenglishreview.org/Emmet_Scott/The_Islamic_Trade_in_European_Slaves/, and our authorities continue to say Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Off topic: “‘The best interests of the people’: Ex-US top spy Clapper justifies election interference”:
https://www.rt.com/usa/428553-clapper-us-election-interference/
Riddle: Why is this member of the globalist elite not in jail for perjury?
Answer: Because he is a member of the globalist elite.
Brigitte from Germany says
https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson
Here the petition “Free Tommy Robinson” again.
Please sign it and share it.
Thanks a lot.
pemba says
please do not insult aliens from Mars, they will get offended by addressing them as murders, butchers, rapists, thieves, invaders, or looters,
In facts Muslims are the reed of Propet Muhamed
Geoffrey Britain says
“Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world,” Winston Churchill
Terry Gain says
Re Eliabeth Lawson, Jay Boo and Cicero.
I am amazed at how many people jump to conclusions about what other people think based on so little evidence. The Internet has produced a world of Olympic Champions when it comes to jumping to conclusions. This phenomena is magnified by the unfortunate practice of allowing people to post anonymously, which leads to less self control and reflection than would otherwise be exercised.
Carol the 1st says
Why? Use real names on petitions and published articles but why set yourself up on the Internet? A name is just a set of letters so why let someone track you down and do you harm? We are trained to be civilized and need to measure our steps.
Berengaria says
When Obama & Pope Francis marched into the UN, hand in hand, to commit the USA to the UN Agenda, I assume both were well aware of the Plundering & Butchering committed by the Religion of Peace. They gave the OK SIGNAL for Muslims to destroy Western Civilization.
Obama & Pope Francis Both deserve a POX on both of their Miserable Houses.
Carol the 1st says
Yes, a picture is worth a thousand words. You’re reminding me of a picture of Angela Merkel and Dope Francis almost high-fiving and looking ready to do the tango together.
Infidel says
I would love to add one more FACT about Hindus in the West.. Hindu American children have now won the NATIONAL SPELLING BEE contest for the 11th consecutive time and the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC BEE for the 6th consecutive time.. This is what Hindus do wherever they go.. save the rare bad apples here and there and bad apples exist in every community., But this I can say with pride that Hindus add to every society wherever they go…. UNLIKE SOME OTHERS… and we all know what that is and there is NO NEED TO EXPLAIN FURTHER..
gravenimage says
+1
Infidel says
And one more humble request to Christian missionaries: Ps stop ur proselytising activities in India. Ps respect Hindu culture. We are not a supremacist culture and most Hindus I know RESPECT Christians and consider Jesus as GOD, including myself. But that does not mean that they want to become Christians. They are happy being Hindus and yet respect Christians and Christ. This is the Hindu philosophy. Let us band together ROCK SOLID as HINDUS-CHRISTIANS-JEWS-BUDDHISTS-SIKHS and fight this evil ideology called POLITICAL ISLAM.
Lydia Church says
We will never stop evangelizing anywhere. Jesus said to go and preach the gospel all over the world. That is in Matthew 28 and elsewhere. We obey Jesus, not man. We don’t ‘respect’ other cultures in that way as to not evangelize. Christians do not FORCE anyone to convert. That is against the beliefs of Christianity. You can’t force anyone to believe what they don’t believe against their will or convert anyone without their consent to do so because it doesn’t work that way. It must be a personal, autonomous choice of your own free will that no one can impose upon you. True conversions don’t work that way; by force. There are other religions (as we know) that do apply pressure, but that is against the Bible. And even then, they still can’t force you. YOU have the power to say NO. You may become a martyr, but you are still a Christian in my case. Furthermore, it matters not what hindus believe about Jesus being God, because they believe that ‘all is god’ anyway, and they don’t believe the gospel and the mandate to share the gospel goes to all who don’t believe it. Again, we share it, it is up to the person to believe without coercion. But one can’t just ‘add’ Jesus to their collection, one must abandon all other beliefs other than what the Bible says about religion.
As for supremacism, sorry but I must differ there also. The religion of hinduism includes a caste system. This involves several layers of society in a pyramid hierarchy. The lower ‘castes’ do all the slavery and dirty work while those on top benefit. (I am against all such systems of course, but the hindu religion endorses this and it is connected to reincarnation and other hindu concepts). There is no way to be upwardly mobile, you are stuck in that level. If you are ‘untouchable,’ you are the butt wiper. You are the one working in drudgery for pennies. If you try to escape, they cut off your body parts. So oppression? Yes. I did the research so please don’t try to tell me how ‘wrong’ I am because I am not wrong.
As for banding together, we already are on here fighting jihad. There is no religious test to pass in order to do so. I am not uniting with anyone ‘spiritually’ but only cooperating for this cause. There is free speech on here as well. If that filthy ibrahim can post his sewage, certainly I can cast my pearls before swine like him as well.
And… they will never silence me. If they kill me for the good cause of standing up for my faith, my blood will cry out just as Abel’s did!
Peace.
Lydia Church says
And, you don’t speak for all hindus. Many hindus have found Jesus and would never go back! You can ask one sometime.
Infidel says
It is unfortunate that U see Hinduism as a Caste based religion because at least I do not believe in caste.. Today’s Hindus are evolving and many have dropped their old caste systems and believe in the equality of all… We are all willing to reform UNLIKE ISLAM…at least give us that much credit Lydia and most importantly, we have NO INTENTIONS in making Ur countries Hindu or hold any pipe dreams of ruling over U. We Hindus believe in LIVE AND LET LIVE AND LOVE UNIVERSAL.
Sharyati says
Lydia i have seen many come back to Hinduism. Many go to Christianity for money and once they get it they go there just as chore and come back. I have seen a couple of our domestic workers going for it and come back. So your view that nobody leaves Jesus is just your own view and not the reality. As for the caste system that is just a canard used by Christians to bait Hinduism for converting. Also caste does exists in some form or the other. Even now in the US no white comes within 10 feet of an all black church and vice versa. The present Prime minister Modi is from a low caste. Nobody prevented him from attaining the highest. One of India’s biggest economic source is the traditional shop owners belonging to the Bania caste, one of the richest castes in India. Also the Shetty caste are the money lending ones and monopolize banking industry. The cast system has in a sense some advantages in that it has developed certain skills in certain communities for generations. Certain professions come natural to certain people. And no newbie can compete with them.
Also Christian evangelists in India are shameless and disgusting creatures. They resort to bribing, thuggery looting, insulting the Hindu gods, use calamities to harvest souls,. cause rifts in village communities and families etc The more suave ones use their minority advantages and manipulate government and loot Hindu funds from temple. As pagans when we see the record of both Christianity and Islam over the last 1000 years we become wary and do not want to be exterminated by the Abrahamics like the Hellinistic greeks, the Egyptians, the pagan tribes of pre christian Europe, the Persians and the Egyptians. To me at least both Abrahamism are not much different. Yeah yeah i know you dont wear suicide wests and shout Ave Maria while detonating it or slit our throats. But nonetheless the conquistadorial spirit still persists not in a violent way as was in olden days but in more subtle manipulative ways.
Lavéritétriomphera says
As Muslims, evangelical Christians threaten those who do not believe in their spiel, to be thrown into the burning fires of eternal hell. By doing so and with their money, they destroy social relations in India and in other parts of the world.
The cast systems has been condemned by most Hindu sages.
Original Christianity teaches nonviolence and resembles Hinduism, but Christianity rejects vegetarianism and in principle the caste system.
Sharyati says
Lydia i think you have a pretty rosy picture of evangelism in India. It is not just that you guys ask us to “Accept christ as your saviour” and we say “No thanks not interested” and you say “Well guys fine up to you no probs”. No if you think this is the sort of friendly conversation is what goes on in here your wrong. In India Evangelical christians are one of the vilest creaturs i have met.
1. Evangelical christians enter Hindu temples where even their shadows have no business to be. They come in after eating beef and god knows what and come in to the sanctum were only Hindus are allowed. Christiansmay claim that anybody is allowed into a church. But we dont care. . We consider this to be polluting. The temple is closed down, cleaning rituals are done and re-opened. Such shameless disgustingl aholes read this
https://postcard.news/christian-groups-forcefully-try-occupy-famous-shiva-temples-kalaiyar-koil-sivagangai-madurai-massive-tension-erupts/
2. They try to occupy temples and the adjoining lands and say that was a church. This is weird because during the time these temples were built, the gospels were not even canonized. But no amount of historical evidence will make the shameless wretches go away.
Read this
https://postcard.news/after-trying-to-forcefully-occupy-kalaiyar-koil-and-sivagangai-temples-now-christian-groups-illegally-occupy-thiruparankundram-murugan-temple-lands-in-tamil-nadu/
3. Not satisfied with polluting the inside of temples with utterly unwanted things, appropriating lands and funds. They build grave yards opposite to temples. See this photo graph https://mobile.twitter.com/ReclaimTemples/status/982721105445072896. Just because Christians bury their dead in their places of worship, we do not need to do such a disgusting thing.
4. Christian evangelists change their names and enter the administrative wings of Hindu temples. Would the Vatican or the Church of England employ a hindu? The tirupathi temple is one of the most ancient in and richest temples. The temple is over 2000 years old, the older structures being dated even before Christ was born. The admin wing called TTD is supposed to appoint only Hindus into role of religious heads and priests and officials. Evangelical rascals change their names to Hindu ones, and enter into temple precincts after consuming beef and enter the kitchen were food is prepared for the gods. Only hindus who have been traditionally for 1000 of years cooking at temples are allowed. But these shameless evangelists do not respect our belief, swindle money and other ancient jewels. Read this
https://www.google.co.in/search?source=hp&ei=IZwTW-TuE4f6vgSA35XIBw&q=TTD+has+christian+employees&oq=TTD+has+christian+employees&gs_l=psy-ab.3…1245.7666.0.8022.32.29.1.0.0.0.213.3293.0j24j1.25.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..6.17.2099.0..0j35i39k1j0i67k1j0i131k1j0i131i67k1j0i10i67k1j0i10k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.0.2FAxFrCJzjw
5. Evangelists lie that there religion is 5000 years old even before krishna shamelessly and the also practice the same Hinduism. They use the story of Krishna which has some similarities between the birth of Jesus and lie that both are one though christ is centuries later. They call us as idolaters yet use our gods, the veda and spread misinformation. Rings the “Christian Taqiyya” bell in me. Such disgusting hypocrites i feel like puking on seeing them.
7. Evangelists loathe the very land and their own people and call them heathens and cannon fodder for hell fire.
http://indiafacts.org/abrahamic-ideology-inspires-extraterritorial-loyalty/
8. Evangelical organizations funnel funds through “NGO’s” and stop development projects using some pretext or other. They want the people to live on their handouts. If people were rich nobody will go even close to those. Pesky creatures.
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/anti-sterlite-protests-who-is-behind-the-tuticorin-turmoil
9. The biggest evangelical scoundrel of all the pope dares to interfere in Indian elections and politics.
10. If nothing works then they bad mouth Hindu gods and practices at street corners and use cheap tricks. The bring a wooden figurine of jesus and throw it into water along with a stone statue of a hindu god. Obviously we know what wlll happen. If somebody tries to intervene to protect the innocent he is smeared as anti christian. Yuck my stomach churns.
10. Disaters: Most evangelical organizations “reaped souls” during the tsunami by offering help only if one signed a paper “accepting jesus”. But the yeoman service of Hindu organizarions irrsepective of religion(We do not have the urge to reap souls or save them, like those arrogant insufferable know it all evangelicals)was not reported in the press but actively suppressed. Even in a flash flood in Mangalore it was the RSS a Hindu org that pitched in and helped a predominantl Muslim and Christian area. But it is villified. The evangelical scoundrels were there doing what they were good at.
I could go on and on. But this is the situation on the ground . All Abrahamics treat the pagan and heathens the same(fodder for hell fire). We being the last surviving pagans, the others ,like the hellenistic greeks, the persians, native indian tribes in the americas being wiped out by the war mongers of Christianity and Islam, have woken up and have vowed to fight any Abrahamic religion under any label. Better death than Jesus or Allah and to hell with both.
Chand says
Human beings are automatic robots, like all other animals and plants, trying to get genetic advantage. They will use every means available for this………….religion, education, technology. It is not their fault really. They are automatic, dumb machines, programmed to replicate by out competing others. This program is vicious, insidious and deadly. So tribes have evolved to call themselves the True People and wage war on The Other.
“Here comes the Yogi in his famous orange
but inside if he is colorless, then what?”
Kabir,, Indian saint poet (revered by Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs).
Lavéritétriomphera says
Humans being are not automatic robots that reproduce the same mistakes to infinity, but we are learning in principle from our mistakes and from our success. That is why Jihad Warch exists.
Sharyati says
Brilliant Chand. So from now on we will view a beef lynching incident in the light of genetics? The lyncher just wanted to spread his “Hindu gene” and thus killed a Muslim!!! And by the way when you sent out links on the atrocities committed by Hindus on Muslims, i did not see you apply the same Genetics theory on that. When the Abrahamics do it you are quick to defend them with genetics isn’t not?? What a hypocrite!!!
And by the way which civilizations or people did Hindus “Out Compete”?I do not know of such an incident or my history knowledge is in shambles!!
Sharyati says
And Chand, Hindus never call themselves the only true religion. If it were so how can very ancient Christian communities like the Syriac Christians(Ancient compared to christian civilization in Europe), the Jews etc not only survive but thrive here? Christians in Iraq are almost decimated now. Same with the Yazidis in Iraq, Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan.
Also it would be inconceivable for a Hindu community to have lived in Oliver Cromwell’s England or Calvins Switzerland. So do not smear us with these kind of accusations that apply squarely to Islam and Christianity.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Sharyati,
Thank you for your necessary testimony that put the record straight, I Think Chand is a troll. He tried to ridicule me too.
Amitiès.
Sharyati says
@Lavéritétriomphera
Welcome. I am part of a movement called “Hindu temples and funds for Hindus only”. As a part of this movement i have seen very very unsavory characters. Chand is a suave educated one but many other just raw and violent and downright dumb, that you can guess that nothing but many makes them speak
Sharyati says
@Lavéritétriomphera
I meant money and not “many”
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Sharyati,
Bienvenue,
As you know it, education, money/power do not mean intelligence or good hearted. Christianity especially Protestantism and Islam seem to have forgotten this sentence. And yet, we all have to answer to our conscience in one way or another as said in the bible http://biblehub.com/1_john/3-20.htm.
Amitiés.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Erratum : The caste system has been condemned by most Hindu sages.
Carol the 1st says
There is little in Sharyati’s hate-filled posts that are recognizable to Christians in the Northern lands where Christianity flourished. Some fundamentalists may preach a little fire and brimstone from the Old Testament but big deal – it’s greatly dismissed and HARDLY compares to BEHEADING PEOPLE AND BURNING THEM ALIVE IN AN ISIS CAGE. and thus to aggressively CONFLATE Christianity with Islam is absolutely APPALLING.
We can only conclude that OTHER barbaric forces have most unfortunately interacted with our “organized” religion in your land and disguised and corrupted the true message that Christ represents.
I disagree with Lydia however in that so long as your own religion works to keep you constructive and non-abusive to others then your wishes should be respected and any proselytizing be applied with a very light hand.
I feel compelled to also complain about your VERY misleading portrait of the US: “Even now in the US no white comes within 10 feet of a Black church”. If there’s any trace of truth to this it must be because Antifa is now standing at the doors after having worked everyone into an imaginary tizzy. Christians have never been perfect but have generally striven to respect the Brotherhood of Man and they seek to correct themselves when they fallen short.
If Hindus have (as you claim) the propensity to be open and to examine and correct themselves they they’re far more compatible with Christians.and this is not a small matter to be denied or overlooked.
Sharyati says
Carol hate filled posts? If my posts are hate filled so be it because thats what happens in India.
” CONFLATE Christianity with Islam is absolutely APPALLING.”
Well as i agreed earlier yes Christianity is less violent of the two Abrahamics. But in terms of attitude there are no differences. We are considered as pagans and fodder for hell fire by Christians of our own land that were not a few centuries ago Hindu just as any Islamic Jihadi considers us. The latter slashes our throat, the former uses clandestine activities and subversion. Either way we are in danger though nor mortal. But in the long run it is harmful. Any Abrahamic religion has the following characteristic.
1 .The one and only true god aka Monotheism. I would debate Christianties stand on this though. He is the creator and destroyer and grants salvation to those who espouse faith in him. Rest he consigns to hell fire like a kid playing with an ant.
2. One prophet or savior, through whom he speaks and sends out periodic messages.
3. In continuity with 3 these messages are the holy book of that religion
4. People that do not believe in that god or prophet are called pagans/heathens/heretics/kafirs etc. They have to be converted or they will burn eternally in hell. And this convcersion is by war, bribery, preaching etc.
From a pagan point of view, 4 is very important as it tells how these Abrahamics relate with the other. Any Abrahamic religion will satisfy the above criteria. I am hardly bothered about theological differences.
“Even now in the US no white comes within 10 feet of a Black church”. ”
Read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_of_churches_in_the_United_States
Agreed wiki is not the greatest resource. But it atleast corroborates with what i saw in
some churches in the bible belt especially states like South Carolina.
“If Hindus have (as you claim) the propensity to be open and to examine and correct themselves they they’re far more compatible with Christians.and this is not a small matter to be denied or overlooked.”
Open? I am not sure what you mean by it. To repeat we had the oldest Christian community the Syrian christians(4CE), who sought asylum in India. At that time more than 50% of Europe was pagan and the Christian war lords were decimating them or converting them and destroying their religious/cultural symbols. But in return for being given asylum in india, when the portuguese came they joined hands with their brothers in jesus and participated in the inquisition of goa and other persections. Read this article http://indiafacts.org/why-christianity-poses-a-clear-threat-to-india/. Through the centuries name one country that had a pagan majority and let other religions flourish too, What happened to the Jews in the Arabian peninsula when Islam rose to prominence? What happpened to the hellenistic greeks at the hands of Christians? Again same thing. They sank out of existence. This is a characteristic Abrahamic feature. The same happened during the old testament period when tribe after tribe even women and children were slaughtered for idol worship by moses. India
I never attack the theology of Christianity untill debating with missionarty rascals. But for me a pagan, conflating all Abrahamics to one, even though one is less violent helps to give me a good theoretical frameworks to deal with them.
Sharyati says
@Carol
Another example of ingratitude and how Abrahamic religions inspire extra terrerstrial loyalties. These guys believe in the Vatican than in the country of their birth.
http://indiafacts.org/feeding-off-india-but-loyalty-to-vatican/
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Saryati,
Hy,
Loyalty to Rome is for political reasons. The Roman emperors unified Europe (a part of it) just as the Maurya did in India. We all suffered from totalitarian ideologies whether they are religious or not. Fundamentalism is a totalitarian ideology and the extremists wether they are Muslims, Christians or Hindus are their useful idiots.
Freedom of thought is best weapon against fundamentalism and terrorism. Hinduism has never abolished freedom of thought because, as you said, tthe hindous have never claimed that their religion is the only truth. They have never denied that perfection does not exist.
Best regards,
Amities.
Sharyati says
Errata “Terretorial” and not terrestrial
Sharyati says
@Lavéritétriomphera
For what does an Indian Christian cleric, who is culturally or linguistically unrelated to Rome, look up to the Roman church thousand miles way, for?? The only common factor is religion. They want the pope to interfere in India politics and convert us. I understand Rome (Pagan Rome)trying to unify Europe because to some extent there were cultural commonalities. And Rome did not impose any religion on the subjects. I agree that there is nothing 2nd to their brutality. But pre-christian/pagan Rome had no religious agenda, unlike the conniving, cunning, covertly operating Vatican of today.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Sharyati,
Hi,
Very true, but now, Catholic Church must face a backlash. Our pope does not want to recognize the harmfulness of Islam and the Evangelical Protestants who recognize the dangerousness of this sectarian ideology, want to remove the caholic church and close our main sanctuaries as Lourdes. History is often written by the winners, but history is also often written when the winners and losers are long gone.
Original Christianity was certainly very different than at present, Jesus and Mary were not catholic, they were Jews.
At the beginning Cristianity was divided, and there were several trends of thought as gnosticism for example.
Best wishes from France.
Sharyati says
Yeah what you say is true Lavéritétriomphera. I think the Christianity today is more “Pauline” than “Jesus” based and actually was cobbled out of the Nicean councils pick and choose the gospels approach.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hi Sharyati,
The New Testament was created by the Fathers of the Church who were Greek and they selected the Gospels (canonical Gospels).
The Roman Empire has survived : Catholic Church for Western Europe with Poland … and the Orthodox Church for mostly Eastern Europe especially Russia Greece …
Amitiès.
Carol the 1st says
i think to say “Jesus is God” does not compliment the Trinity concept. It only gives fuel to the likes of Ibrahim Itace Moe who want to condemn those who don’t believe in “one” god. The Trinity is like a family – Jesus may be the intermediary prophet for the common man but he is not THE God.
More Ham Ed says
Today I cooked bbq pork ribs all day from sunrise to sunset in dishonor of ramadamadingdong.
Chand says
Yup, great, More Ham Ed.
More Ham Ate.
Sharyati says
Is that Audrey Trushke woman readin this story. I will share this link with her on twitter
Johm says
The Indian government needs to expel all the savages to Pakistan . Islam is a wicked and evil form of government of Satan . You can see that ! Killing and plunder is what Islam is about ! Always was and always will be ! It is what that screwed up book the Quran is about ! Jesus is coming soon ! Love your brother as you love your self ! That is what we all must do !
dan christensen says
“…he was made to lose his limbs and punished severely”
How can you possibly punish a man severely, when you just have removed his limbs?
Wasn’t he dead then after this?
jewdog says
Sometimes you just have to fight to defend yourself and your freedom. That’s one lesson from the history of jihad.
Jayadev G A G says
Totally agree with you.
It is good to be clear, since not all can get you exactly in the way you intended to convey.
That’s one lesson “for non-Muslims around the world” from the history of “Islamic” Jihad.
sidney penny says
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/islamic-india-the-biggest-holocaust-in-world-history-whitewashed-from-history/
Islamic India: The Biggest Jihad in World History… Whitewashed from History Books.
sidney penny says
One of the best authors on India
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1632534.Harvesting_Our_Souls
Harvesting Our Souls: Missionaries, Their Design, Their Claims
by Arun Shourie
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/271571.Arun_Shourie
Another great book in this politically correct world by the same author is
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/651154.Eminent_Historians
Shourie has the anecdotal reasoning of Nirad Chaudhuri married to the writing style of Robert Ludlum. Both are in ample evidence in this book.’ – India Today
In this incisive commentary, Arun Shourie documents the ways in which our history textbooks have been doctored by leftist historians. Thoroughly researched and riveting, this study brings to light the techniques and frauds that a cabal of some of our best-known academicians has used to promote themselves, and to acquire control over institutions. And then to put these supposedly academic institutions to use.
Shourie shows how, in the process, this cabal has perverted India’s historical narrative, and thereby vitiated the country’s public discourse. Two new chapters bring to light recent developments in the field: how, with their holy scriptures having been repudiated in their holy cities, these ‘historians’ strive to retain their perches by dominating niche domains; how these efforts are bound to fail; but how their trajectory holds vital lessons for those who seek to replace them.
Shourie like Spencer is a great educator.