“If dealing with Islamic fundamentalism becomes a battle between us and the entire religion, I’ll tell you the result: we’ll lose. We will simply lose….We absolutely have to get that Muslim majority living in many of our towns and cities on our side, more attuned to Western values than some pretty hardline interpretations of the Qur’an.”
Sure. Now how does Farage propose to do that? His warning against making the resistance to jihad a “battle between us and the entire religion” is odd. No sane person is saying that the West should go to war with the entire Islamic world. The likeliest interpretation of his statement is that he is saying that we must not speak about how jihadis find justification for their actions in the Qur’an and Sunnah, as that will alienate the “moderates.”
But if we don’t speak about such facts, how will we ever convince Muslims not to follow “hardline interpretations of the Qur’an”?
After playing a significant role in the Brexit fight, Farage has become just another mainstream hack politician.
“Is Nigel Farage woke? Ex-UKIP leader warns party off supporting Tommy Robinson,” RT, June 12, 2018:
Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage has questioned the ‘judgement’ of his successor Gerard Batten over his support for the imprisoned ex-EDL leader Tommy Robinson, who was recently convicted for contempt of court.
Farage, who was speaking at a dinner for UKIP activists in Lancashire this month, did not openly criticize Batten, but told the assembled faithful that being seen as opposing all Muslims and supporting Robinson was a political mistake, reports the Guardian.
In an apparent dig at Batten’s choice of friends, Farage told dinner guests: “I think this gets to the heart of not just the positioning of a political party, but of judgment too. And judgment really, really matters. Tommy Robinson is seen to be a hero by many. But actually, what the bloody hell was he doing outside the court?”
Batten posted a picture on Twitter of himself with Robinson, on Saturday, declaring he was to speak at the ‘Free Tommy Robinson’ rally, which was marred by violence from a set of protesters against the police.
Batten seems to also be in hot water with many UKIP senior officials over his position on Islam. It is understood that one senior party member has written to him to express their concern about his alleged anti-Islam stance.
On the issue of Islam and how UKIP should conduct the debate around the issue, Farage told activists that the party was right to oppose Islamic extremism “but if dealing with Islamic fundamentalism becomes a battle between us and the entire religion, I’ll tell you the result: we’ll lose. We will simply lose.”
Adding: “We absolutely have to get that Muslim majority living in many of our towns and cities on our side, more attuned to Western values than some pretty hardline interpretations of the Qur’an.”…
Rev G says
Sounds like Farage sees the future, yet is in denial about it.
Jan Sobieski says
What is the softline interpretation of koran 9:5?
mortimer says
Or what is the “soft” interpretation of 9.29 (the turning-point verse and MOST IMPORTANT verse in the Koran)???
According to K.9.29, Muslims have a duty to EXTORT MONEY from JEWS AND CHRISTIANS. It is the way Muslims are expected by Allah to earn a living … through EXTORTION!
What does “soft” extortion look like, Mr. Farage?
shoehorn says
Islam is the Extortion Racket of Peace.
mortimer says
Response to InfideLover,
1) K.9.29 is the PROGRAM (i.e. bigoted extortion racket)
2) K.9.5 is the METHOD (brutality and terrorism) of implementing the program.
3) The two verses explain the other.
vlparker says
I love you.
Joe says
He is in denial of both the past and the present, never mind the future: sometimes, you do not get to choose whether there is a battle between you and the religion, sometimes the religion has clearly made that choice.
dan christensen says
Old Danish saying:
When the devil became old he went to the monastery.
Muhammed Jacob says
“When the devil became old he went to the monastery.”
Flip Wilson theology: “The Devil made me do it”!
Stop with the BS!
There is no Satan/Devil! That is a Zoroastrian myth.
If you really want to see where evil comes from, read James 1:13-15.
Mankind creates his own evil.
Over 55,000,000 unborn babies were slaughtered in American Concentration camps aka Abortion clinics, since 1973.
Yes! The Muslims are all that you say they are, but they are Boy Scouts compared to the Eugenicists and the Feminists.
THEY ARE YOUR REL ENEMY!
Terry Gain says
All 3 are the enemy but Islam is the biggest threat to our freedoms.
Raja says
Terry, Agreed. There are all kinds of enemies of mankind and his liberties. Many enemies have had short stints. e.g: Polpot, Stalinism, Leninism, Maoism and countless others have been genocidal and murderous but Islam has outlived all. I don’t view it as a threat but a nasty ideology that should only be eradicated. The sooner the better.
The saying goes: the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Islam proves the existence of devil in the fallen world.
RonaldB says
Actually, abortion clinics are anti-eugenic or dysgenic. Generally, it is the most intelligent sector of the population that looks far enough ahead to engage in planning the number of children. So, birth control and abortion are likely to skin off the more intelligent, forward-looking people, thus serving to lower the quality of the population remaining.
The welfare state and tax-funded child support is terribly dysfunctional, serving to encourage genetically-damaged individuals to have children and ensure those children survive to have children themselves.
I think feminism is an opportunistic infection on a population where intelligence, ability and the drive to procreate have already deteriorated.
gravenimage says
By feminism, do you mean hatred of men or equal rights for men and women? If you mean the latter, then Islam is the creed for you.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
RonaldB – I get it you think that women are lesser human beings. So why do you not convert to islam they think the way you do? In fact this should please you, they actually think women are worth 50% of a man and you as their owner all are allowed to beat, rape and can even murder your property under islamic law.
I will stick with Jesus who treated women as his equal.
Noel says
Hey, you two, leave RonaldB alone. If you think that feminism is about equality for women then you are politically naive. It’s a manifestation of Cultural Marxism and you are being used as pawns to bring our society down. Please read the article at this link:
https://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
RonaldB – is a hater of women and is trying to say that leftest are feminist when in fact leftest are all genders. It is time to stop blaming women for leftism and start calling out the real problem.
Axis porcinus says
Legal abortion can be outlawed but will islam establish religious decree against slavery, murder of infidels, rape, booty, acid attacks, child marriage, thighing of little girls, polygamy, stoning?
gravenimage says
Nope.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
So a cult that commands its’ followers to rape, murder or subjugate us and force us to follow the barbaric and backward islamic law of beheadings and stonings is not the worse thing that can happen to us? So a cult that thinks that women are domestic animals without human rights is not the worse thing that can happen to us? What BS.
There is nothing more evil than islam nor will there ever be. ISLAM IS THE WORST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO US.
MSW says
Absolutely agree with you Susan.
MSW says
Speak for yourself, scumbab, not the rest of us.
gravenimage says
Dan, I don’t think we are apt to see Muslims mellowing.
Lebel says
“But if we don’t speak about such facts, how will we ever convince Muslims not to follow “hardline interpretations of the Qur’an”?”
We do that by working with Muslims rather than insisting that they acknowledge that their religion is evil and their prophet a pedophile. Your site, books and ideology all point to inevitable conclusion. The only good Muslim is an ex-Muslim. Any Muslim who insists on maintaining his belief when faced with the evidence about his religion (that it’s pure evil) is the enemy. He cannot even be counted among the confused Muslims.
Buraq says
@ Lebel
Jeez, you’re thick! The reason we are facing the cliff’s edge today is because politicians and ‘shakers and movers’ the world over have peddled the lie that Islam is peaceful for years. But the ugly truth of Islam’s 1,400 year old agenda to subjugate the world for Allah continues unabated!
The only Muslims who will no longer present a possible danger are those who leave Islam under a sentence of death for apostasy. And many have left, and many continue to do so!
My question, Lebel, is why haven’t you? You have chosen savagery over civilization: why?
Terry Gain says
Lebel
The Jihadists have Islamic doctrine and history on their side, so the “moderates” who don’t want submission to Islam will lose. In any event, every Muslim has their role. The role of the moderate Muslim is to psychologically disarm naive westerners until there are so many Muslims among us that we are faced with a choice between submission and war.
I think that you are engaging in Taqiyya.
Jan Sobieski says
Even some ex muslims are questoinalble allies.
tamimisledus says
The trouble with many ex-muslims (though not all) is that they keep the muslim faith [sic] that muslims are superior to non-muslims even after they have “apostasised”. They believe that they (ex-muslims), and they only, can truly understand islam.
Muhammed Jacob says
“Lebel says
Jun 14, 2018 at 1:35 pm
“But if we don’t speak about such facts, how will we ever convince Muslims not to follow “hardline interpretations of the Qur’an”?”
We do that by working with Muslims rather than insisting that they acknowledge that their religion is evil and their prophet a pedophile”
Lebel said to Mr Churchill:
We do that by working with the Nazis rather than insisting that they acknowledge that their regime is evil and their prophetic leader is an insane madman”
THE AFRICAN CHURCH
Africa produced great thinkers like Augustine of Hippo (Algeria), Clement and Athanasius of Egypt, and Tertullian of Carthage (Tunis), while Ethiopia had the first African church totally independent of Europe (Acts 8).
In fact, I find it most interesting that an African church was planted first before there was ever a church in Britain, Canada, the USA or Spain, or any other European state. So why do we not hear of this African church, and why do we not continue to see any remnants of it today?
Perhaps we need to go to the Quran again to find the clue. Consider this verse –
Sura Tauba, 9:5:
“Fight and slay [those who associate another with Allah (Shirk)], and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.”
It fits the pattern of Muhammadan Islam which fights against all those who choose to follow their own beliefs, that is beliefs not compatible with those of the followers of Muhammad; an idea we find well expressed in the following verse –
Sura Imran, 3:28
“Let not the believers take disbelievers [Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc] for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were)
security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself.
In North Africa we know that the whole Saharan region of Morocco, Libya, Algeria and Egypt to the Sudan and Ethiopia used to be Christian, before Islam came and destroyed the local churches. Why do we not hear about it in Muslim literature?
We can examine the history of the Sudan as a case in point. Before the Muslim invasion of 1275 A.D. by the Islamic Mamluks of Egypt, the Sudan
had three mini-Christian states called:
NOBATIA in the north, the capital of Qustul
MAKURIA, the capital of old Dongola, and
ALODIA or ALWA, the capital of Soba.
These three African Christian states, from 300 A.D. to 1500 A.D. had their own written language, great centers of learning, international commerce with Egypt,
Ethiopia and other Middle East states, and sent out missionaries to other African states.
(Read K. Milhalowski,Faras, vol.2, Poland, 1965 for extensive archaeological and historical documentation on these states).
Even the Arab, ibn Selim al-Assuani, was impressed when he saw Soba, describing it as having, …fine buildings, roomy houses, churches, and the land is more fruitful than Makuria…[and it has] much meat, and good horses.
All this was wantonly destroyed by Muslim invaders in 1275 A.D., not by European Imperialism.
And to think the Papacy teaches that Muslims and Catholics are BROTHERS and believe in the same God. This has got to be a sick joke!
The European says
The problem with Muslims is that many of them do not know very much about their own religion; and the purpose of sites like Jihad Watch is to enlighten them about Islam, but one should not lie to them about the true nature of Islam, saying Islam is just like Christianity, a religion that is compatible with Western values. That would be dishonest. I am sure that many Muslims who live in Western countries, like our way of life, the rule of law, civil rights,democracy, liberalism, and all the freedoms they can enjoy here; We should see to it that they value Western civilization more than the evil ideology of political Islam. If Islam were only about praying and fasting, nobody would have a problem with that, but -according to Khomeini “Islam is always political or it is not at all.” And as long as Islam upholds its core doctrines -sharia law, the political character of Islam, its aspirations to world dominance- there can be no collaboration with Muslims.If there were Muslims who want to establish an “apolitical, purely spiritual Islam,” things would be different and one might reconsider. But up to this day, all reforms of Islam have ended up in the emergence of groups like ISIS or Al-Kaida.
gravenimage says
The dishonest Lebel wrote:
“But if we don’t speak about such facts, how will we ever convince Muslims not to follow “hardline interpretations of the Qur’an”?”
We do that by working with Muslims rather than insisting that they acknowledge that their religion is evil and their prophet a pedophile.
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Will Lebel telll us how we can “work with” those following a creed which tells them to conquer and oppresss unbelievers, and rape and murder them in the process–and who are told they can lie to their victims to facilitate the process?
Of course he won’t–he will just accuse us of being “Islamophobes” for daring to ask such questions.
Would he also have told us to “work with” those lovely National Socialists? We certainly tried that, as well…
Also, note Lebel’s sneering reference to pedophilia–that if we dare stand against the Islamic practice of “marrying” little girls that this is somehow unfair to Muslim rapists. *Ugh*.
More:
Your site, books and ideology all point to inevitable conclusion. The only good Muslim is an ex-Muslim. Any Muslim who insists on maintaining his belief when faced with the evidence about his religion (that it’s pure evil) is the enemy. He cannot even be counted among the confused Muslims.
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Sure–many Muslims *are* confused. But those who staunchly adhere to their creed–including its savage doctrine of JIhad–have decided that *we* are the enemy.
Lebel’s pretending that the victims of Jihad are somehow the aggressors is just more projection.
Stacy Girl says
Yes, who wants to be unfair to rapists? That’s an ever growing demographic given the migrants pouring in everywhere.
Norger says
And exactly what does “work with” Muslims mean? Apparently it involves having zero moral expectations of Muslims for the daily horrors perpetrated all over the world in the name of their faith. How are we supposed to “work with” Muslims when the terrorists confidently and accurately cite Islamic scripture in justification of their worst atrocities? The current strategy of pretending that the “extremists” have “twisted” or “perverted” their faith (an utter bold faced lie) is never going to work, because the basic premise is, has been, and always will be false. If we are going to “work with” Islam, the basic tenets of the ideology have to be confronted head on, openly and honestly. At the end of the day, Lebel is spouting the old canard that we mustn’t criticize Islam, we can’t call out barbarism for what it is, because it will only make things worse,Muslims just can’t help themselves. Lebel has already submitted, he just doesn’t know it.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Stacy Girl and Norger.
Lebel has been trying to shut down any criticism of Islam here for years now.
mortimer says
Lebel, you like to find fault with the premise that there is no possible reform of Islam… the doctrine of the “closing of the doors of Ijtihad” proves that there is no reform possible.
Because no reform is possible, every Muslim is a potential JIHADIST who will participate in genocidal jihad WHEN THE TIME COMES and the Sharia supremacists seize power.
When jihad arrives, and the full force of an hysterical killing frenzy begins, NO MUSLIM WILL STAND AGAINST JIHAD. We saw this in the case of ISIS and in the Iranian revolution. We see this in Islamic history. The GENOCIDAL killers in past jihads are just ordinary Muslim people, and NOT maniacs specially recruited from jails or lunatic asylums.
35% of Muslims say they do not want Sharia law, but I maintain they are Muslims-in-name-only (MINOs).
Those Muslims (65% of total) who say they want Sharia to be implemented are the enemies of all our human rights.
One billion Muslims say they want discriminatory Sharia law.
tamimisledus says
muslims only work with non-muslims when non-muslims work with them in their long term project (1400 years and counting) to conquer the whole world for islam.
muslims do not go anywhere to integrate. muslims go everwhere to subjugate.
You are not part of the solution. You are part of the problem.
Carlos Danger says
Not very inspiring. Nige sounds ready to plead with them to “Like US!”
Good luck with that. Fight these hajjis tooth and nail.
Hari Singh says
Experience has shown that the war is with most Muslims, even if they only provide the critical mass for the the fanatics.
During the partition of India the Muslim league instituted pogroms against the Hindu-Sikh populations killing hundreds of thousands. Most Muslims stood by while their more dedicated brothers killed, raped and forcibly converted Sikhs and Hindus. They destroyed their Holy places.
If Nigel Farage is waiting for Muslims to join the fight to defend the secular state, he is a first class fool. Islam concedes nothing.
Be prepared for Partition levels of violence in the UK and the government defending the perpetrators against the native population.At least the Americans have their guns.
Only a determined fightback by Hindus and Sikhs saved India from being controlled by Islam. In India during partition their were battles for the control of Delhi, Kanpur, Kashmir, Amritsar, Lahore,etc for control of those cities.Some Cities were lost.
If you refuse to fight evil, you become evil.
Keys says
Thanks for your excellent post, Hari Singh.
“If you refuse to fight evil, you become evil.”
Agree. It’s a good thing Nigel Farage was not prime minister during WW2.
He has not learned a thing from the recent history of Europe and India, and his country was front and center.
Maybe he’s campaigning for the muslim vote – he certainly is not thinking. He says he does not want a battle with “the entire religion”. He doesn’t know he lives in Dar al Harb – he thinks Islam is not at war with his country.
Kesselman says
Islamic terrorism and self-glorification are integral parts of Islam – so how will one separate the two? It’s all categorized under the label Herostrative Syndrome.
gravenimage says
All grimly true, Hari Singh. This is how “moderate” Muslims typically act–they stand back while their more avid coreligionists wage violent Jihad.
Stacy Girl says
+++1
Walter Sieruk says
Regarding those Muslim migrants who were allowed to enter the different countries of Western Europe with result in them not only being ungrateful but even worse yet many of those Muslim migrants becoming so very arrogant to the point that they became criminals . As in some of them engaged in rioting and even rapes of the European girls and women. In addition to this vile brutal behavior by the heinous Muslim who were kindly permitted to enter the nations of Europe to live, As the countries of ,for example France, Germany Sweden, Denmark etc. This unthankful Islamic spirit on the part of those lawless violent Muslims who immigrated to the countries of Europe may be explain, in part, by the fact that the Muslim fundamentalist group that even had the president of Egypt assassinated in the month of October of the year 1981 has a fifty –five booklet that is was written only for Muslims fundamentalists but was later discover by non-Muslims. This booklet’s title is THE NEGLECTED DUTY. One scholar, Johannes Jansen who had thoroughly investigated Islam and Islamic terrorism has even discover that those Muslims, who had entered Europe of behaved in violent and heinous ways, are actually action out what they view and a sacred individual duty of the jihad as by engaging in awful violent criminal action in non-Muslim lands . As Jansen revealed that jihad booklet of Islam, THE NEGLECTED DUTY “contains all the ideological material needed to justify the attacks of 9/11 or any other acts of terror committed to frighten non-Muslims. And he thinks the document explains the criminal behavior of suburban and center –city immigrant youngsters in many European cities; its author clearly ‘sees Islam as license to kill rob and commit arson.’ “ [1] Nevertheless, many of the apologists for Islam still have that blatant gall , in spite of all the facts of reality, to actually make the claim the Islam is a “peaceful religion.” What a totally false to make that Islam is “a peaceful religion “What Bull! A “peaceful religion” indeed.
[1] The Islam in Islamic Terrorism by Ibn Warraq pages 308, 309.
jack cade says
The Muslim majority will never support kafirs. The Koran commands it. History proves it. The coming conflict will be bloody and protracted It will set back the West a whole generation. But, if the West loses, the world will slip into a thousand years of darkness. First, we must remove the Muslim sympathizers from positions of authority. Then, we remove the Muslims from the West. One at a time, if necessary.
Georg says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ
Gjallarhornet says
Nope, we will not lose. We will win. Basically, that is our only option. If we don’t fight, we’ll lose.The struggle with islam must be taken to the logical endpoint: the final defeat and end of islam,
gravenimage says
+1
Malon says
Whate Farage proposes is impossible. NO muslim has the choice to vote against Koran, Sunna and the Hadithes.
I since long warn against what will happen, if “moderate” muslims are pressured by their more scripture-true colleagues. The “moderates” will have no chance and no choice. Not if the one day want to enter their muslim heaven. And not if they want to survive their fanatic co-believers.
Ed Lee says
Why does anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim bother to talk about interpretations of Islam. Allah, in sura 3 verse 7, explicitly forbids anyone but himself from explaining the Qur’an. In sura 5 verse 3, Allah says, “Today I have perfected your religion for you”. So, the Qur’an and Islam are perfect just the way they are. Take it, word for word, or reject it, but no one is permitted to do any “interpretation”.
mgoldberg says
Unless we discuss the Jihad, it’s inbility to change, or allow non muslims to live according to any rules other than sharia, we can never actually win the fight, let alone know what the fight is, and is about..
It is not about having to worry about raging mobs. Of that I am sure we will have to contend. But they have no power except as supported by governments that let them off the hook from punishment, from laws germane to their new nations, that are not sharia compliant … yet.
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
Nigel Farage says, “We absolutely have to get that Muslim majority living in many of our towns and cities on our side, more attuned to Western values.”
Farage is DREAMING that Islam can be REFORMED, but Islam CANNOT be reformed, because it is ‘PERFECT, COMPLETE and ETERNAL’.
Any change to Islam makes it formerly ‘IMPERFECT, INCOMPLETE and TEMPORARY’, thus a call reform is a DECLARATION THAT ISLAM RIGHT NOW IS IMPERFECT.
Nigel Farage thinks Muslims can be coaxed to adopt modernity.
In fact, MUSLIM CANNOT BE COAXED to adopt modernity WITHOUT LEAVING ISLAM ENTIRELY.
Keys says
No one dare change Allah’s Koran.
To a muslim Farage is a useful idiot.
Exploit him and dispose of him.
DragarOz says
Agreed, reform is not ever gonna happen. We need to expose it for what it is and all the western countrys need to systematically remove its status as a religion so that it loses it protective umbrella, that is the first step, the next step would be to declare it as a terrorist movement.
The people that say we must work with the muslims just dont seem to get it, we did! for decades we have worked with them, tried to help them, and they do nothing other than gather in their own communities and bite the hand that feeds them.
Time is up!
Terry Gain says
Nigel old boy doesn’t understand that Britain needs a Brexit from Islam.
Garfield says
What was Tommy Robinson doing outside the court? A. Whatever he felt like (that was harming no one) and B. Drawing attention to the evils of supremacist islam. Exactly what hate filled supremacist Muslims and brainwashed globalist liberals don’t want.
gravenimage says
Nigel Farage: “If dealing with Islamic fundamentalism becomes a battle between us and the entire religion, we’ll lose”
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In other words, Fragage cannot accept that Islam is the threat–because it’s too scary. Good grief…
More:
“If dealing with Islamic fundamentalism becomes a battle between us and the entire religion, I’ll tell you the result: we’ll lose. We will simply lose….We absolutely have to get that Muslim majority living in many of our towns and cities on our side, more attuned to Western values than some pretty hardline interpretations of the Qur’an.”
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Gee–wouldn’t that be swell?
But it isn’t going to happen, because Islam itself is the problem.
This would not be a serious threat to us, most likely, if we didn’t have so many Muslims who had invaded our towns and cities, and more being allowed to flood in all the time.
Walter Sieruk says
Many jihadist /Muslims have the Islamic agenda and quest to conquer the nations of the West for Islam. Either “by hook or by crook” as in by engaging in the stealth jihad or in the violent and deadly “jihad of the sword.” Likewise part of all this in is by the Muslim infuriation of the Western countries which is being accomplished by the great number of Muslim migrants who are entering the Western nations.
As a Former Muslim had revealed in his book when he wrote that “there has been large –scale immigration into the West, from Islamic nations…of Muslims who are implacably hostile to the West, have no desire to learn why the West became so rich and tolerant , and certainly have no desire to assimilate. They feel no gratitude of allegiance to their Western host nations; their only obligations are to fellow Muslims.”
The author further clarifies by adding. “The mere presence of so many Muslims in the West had affected the domestic and international behavior of governments, whose foreign policy is dominated by fear of offending their Muslim population ready to riot on the slightest pretext. Those unassimilated Muslims are committed to introducing Islamic laws in the West. , and they are able to do so cleverly exploiting the freedoms created over the centuries by the infidels.” [1]
As for that above statement that the “Muslim population [is] ready to riot on the slightest pretext…” This is valid evidence that the old saying is true .Which is that “Evil is always looking for an excuse.”
On this very important subject another scholar in his book informs the reader that “Islamic involvement in the political process is much more advanced in Europe than in the United States. “ and he further makes it known that “Of all the continents of the world, Europe is probably the number one target by Muslim strategists who are seeking world dominance.”
[1] THE ISLAM IN Islamic terrorism by Ibn Warraq, page 354
[2] HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANCE THE WORLD by William Wagner , pages 176, 195.
somehistory says
Of the two groups…moslims and those listening to this guy…one group will not be moving to the side of the other in an attempt to stop terrorism. moslims won’t “move” to the side of those who don’t embrace islam.
islam is a beast…a “wild beast” with the intent to devour mankind…totally. It will not change.
overman says
Farage is totally clueless about lslam, just as Chamberlain was clueless about Nazism.
Robert, send him a copy of ‘The History of Jihad: From Muhammad to ISIS’ – it might give him a fews clues about the Real lslam, which doesn’t need re-interpreting to make it evil.
clap says
Of course they’ll lose with that attitude. Cut off the welfare and most of the muslims will leave.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
clap, agreed, so damn simple, but that would stop impede the agenda of the elites.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
I usually like Nial Farage, but he is naive about Islam. Islam will never become more like the West. The more Muslims who immigrate the more they isolate together on purpose and implement Sharia Law and act like Middle Easterners…in Europe or USA or Canada.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Surely, no nation openly confront Islam and manage to survive .The evil United States and fascist Zionist state of Israel, the twin empires of evils now hostile to Islam and all Muslims will soon be forgotten in the dustbins of history .
gravenimage says
I see that Ibrahim itace muhammed is again saying that no Infidels have the right to defend against Jihad.
As for his claim that no Infidels have ever survived the attempt, of course he is lying.
Among those who have confronted Islam *and prevailed* include Britain, Spain , France, Italy, Greece, the Balkans–and yes, Israel and the United States.never
Most of these countries took their lands back from Islamic conquest, and then the United States, Britain, and France made the Mediterranean safe from Muslim piracy.
We should never forget this inspiring history!
Kepha says
Back in the days of Thomas Jefferson, the first Moroccan ambassador in Washington baldly stated that piracy against Kufr was as Islamic as reading the Qur’an or mutton and rice at an Iftar dinner.
While traveling, I learned that before the Western powers beat up on the Barbary states, Sicilians never lived near the coast; but built their towns and villages on mountains to protect themselves. The remains of watchtowers and castles built to defend the island from Muslim raiders encircle the whole island.
I will also venture that the reason Islam appears strong today is because Western man has very loudly and proudly said of Christ, “We will not have this man to rule over us” (Luke 19:14). Our leaders and supposed “wise men” have said this of the one who holds the keys to death and Hell (Rev. 1:18– Ib Itace, note your own religion also admits that Jesus sits in Heaven, while Muhammad lies in his Madani grave awaiting the day of resurrection and judgment along with the rest of us sinners) and who will break nations with a rod of iron (Ps. 2:9).
Hence I will dissent, even though I am not happy doing so. Nigel Farage is right in his assessment of the situation. It isn’t that Islam has all that much real power; for it at best creates little beyond slums surrounded by desert, and revealed how weak and sickly it makes men once the Kufr around it decided to stand up and fight back. But our liberal and socialist elites in the West have weakened us again, making us prey to bands of teenaged thugs.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Kepha.
And a frequent cry in southern Italy and Sicily near the coasts was “Mammi, il Turk!”, or “Mother, the Turks (Muslims) are raiding!”.
I am proud that it was America that initiated the end of those days–Britain and France later joined her, and finally made the whole of the Mediterranean safe again for navigation for the first time in a thousand years.
Always good to see you posting.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Liar Gravenimage, do Britain, Spain, France and evil United States survive as hegemonic empires. Evil United States has lost hegemonic control over international community and its economy is heading to full depression signifying it’s demise
gravenimage says
What did I say that is suppsedly untrue? It seems Ibrahim itace muhammed is not able to say. No surprise there.
And of course, the United States never had an empire.
And–as I have noted before–Ibrahim itace muhammed constantly claims that Muslims have destroyed the US econmy.
Just about six weeks ago he said that the the American dollar was now worth $0, and we were completely destroyed. Now all he can say is that we are heading to full drepression. Really, he can’t keep his bs straight.
Not only is the US economy booming right now, but we managed to weather the depression of the 1930s. It was difficult, but it certainly did not destroy us–neither did the recession of the 1970s.
Meanwhile, of course, Islamic nations are economic basket cases. Ibrahim itace muhammed says that he is providing financial advice to some unnamed Muslim country in Africa. If true, this is no doubt part of their problem…
Axolotl says
You are wrong.
The US and Europe might hesitate. Israel won’t. If Israel feels fatally threatened, Muslim counties and their cities will be turned to ash, along with hundreds of millions of Muslims. Of this, I have no doubt.
DragarOz says
+1
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Axolotl, any such attempt by your fascist Zionist state of Israhell means random strike and obliteration of that evil entity and Satan in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods cannot save them. Tell the Satan in yahweh to approach me, I will kick him on his head to get him running away from evil Zionists to track them down and bring them to justice for crimes against humanity
gravenimage says
The unhinged Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Axolotl, any such attempt by your fascist Zionist state of Israhell means random strike and obliteration of that evil entity
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In other words, if Israel tries to defend against violent Jihad, Muslims will wage violent Jihad against them…
Ibrahim itace muhammed has said before that the filthy Infidels have no right to defend against Jihad attacks. He has also said how much he looks forward to personally taking part in the genocide of the Jews. *Ugh*.
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and Satan in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods cannot save them.
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Ibrahim itace muhammed has made the ludicrous claim that Jews worship pagan goddesses here many times. He does not have anything he can say against Judaism, so he just makes crap up.
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Tell the Satan in yahweh to approach me, I will kick him on his head to get him running away from evil Zionists
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I think the above sums up the mentallity of this semi-literate Mohammedan…
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to track them down and bring them to justice for crimes against humanity
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“Crimes against humanity”–in other words, the Israelis refuse to lie down and let Muslims wipe them out. Too bad for Ibrahim itace muhammed and his vicious coreligionists.
MFritz says
You are NOT from Nigeria, you are NOT Itace, you are NOT a muslim. You are a LIAR and a CRIMINAL.
Don’t feed the troll!
gravenimage says
Again, I’m not sure why you think that Muslims are not this barbaric.
Barbara says
As long as foreign immans and foreign funding of mosques, there will be lots of Islamic extremism. Until foreign funding can be blocking, the best anti-extremism candidates can hope for is a quarter or so of Muslim votes. However, Muslims are still a small minority. The UK needs to follow Austria’s example and close foreign-funded mosques and schools, and extradite foreign immans. It’s very understandable that Muslims do not want to be too close to British culture with its prevalent alcohol abuse, high number of broken families and immodest dress (even by Western standards of the past). If they do not have the constant stirring up by foreign immans and have stiff government action against extremism, then over time they will find a peaceful way to adapt and view the extreme teachings of Muhammad as something for the past. Every time a country has been taken over by Islam, there was always a strong connection with outside Muslims, usually armed. Closing the borders to new immigrants, religious and political funding from Islamic countries and expelling foreign immans would make positive changes in a generation or two.
gravenimage says
Foreign-funded Mosques do indeed tend to be among the worst–but all Mosques preach Islam–and that includes the oppression and conquest of Infidels.
shoehorn says
Opposing pedophilia is a battle with the entire religion? uh-huh
Stacy Girl says
I agree. Opposingvthe many facets of perversity and injustice, which make up the whole of Islam, are the key to eradication. After all, if you removed the violence, barbarity, violence, etc, there’d be nothing left to oppose.
Spencer says
I spoke to him about this personally a couple of months ago, at a reception in the Old Main Building of the CU Boulder campus, when he was out in Boulder debating Vicinte Fox, and he admitted knowing that it is false. He said that he tells this lie for political reasons, thinking it would be bad if he told too much of the truth. It’s not clear what his fear was, but I suspect it’s further demonization in the press. So this is a pragmatic lie that he thinks is justified.
gravenimage says
Interesting. But lying to the public–if this is what he is doing–is never a good thing.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. Nigel Farage is a coward who totally lacks the conviction and courage of someone like Anne Marie Waters.
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Kurt says
Apparently Mr Farage doesn’t have the full knowledge and insight of the doctrine of islam. Suggest that the site owner, Mr Spencer, send him a couple of signed free copies of his excellent books, and perhaps he will get the full picture. He might then even inform others of the mortal danger the west is in…
Rgds
Kurt
vlparker says
The man is delusional. He lost me when he trashed Anne Marie Waters
Roderick MacUalraig says
BULLSHIT WE’LL LOSE.
762x51FMJ says
Democracy has never worked in the middle east for the same reason the democrat party is now nearing extinction.
Wherever a Constitutional Republic rules, peace through strength will prevail.
Voytek Gagalka says
Who said to fight against religion? Fight against Irrationality, fight against blind obedience to authority (secular or religious), fight for REASON and INDIVIDUAL rights! Fights for separation of religion and state! Religion should be a PRIVATE affair and choice, not enforced by rulers of the collective (papacy, imams, ayatollahs, etc.) But to fight for those requires having clear principles and clear moral certainty and clarity on OUR part. Without them we indeed will lose. Why Crusaders lost? Because they did not know what the hell they were searching there or doing, in that “Holy Land”!
Peter says
The “entire religion” of Islam sees itself as being in a state of permanent war with “us” (non-Muslims worldwide). If we (all non-Muslims) recognize this and put down our foot for once, we will win.
Dapto says
Sold out Nigel ? should that be his new name, after this statement one wonders how much money nigel has taken from Soros.
TheOldOligarch says
Most of my loyalty to Nigel died after he turned on Anne Marie waters during the UKIP leadership contest. It’s not that hard to discard what little remains after this defeatist nonsense.
Savvy Kafir says
What an idiot! Fortunately, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Some of us are willing to fight back. Some of us will never stop.
Lydia Church says
Has he changed his tune?
Was HE at that meeting too?
Hmmm. Perhaps they put something in his teeeea?!
This is mighty fishy if you ask me.
MFritz says
Forget about Farage. He’s no longer trustworthy.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
In the end, history will see Nigel Farage as an apologist and an enabler.
Move on Farage, write a book or open a shop. Move on.
Mark says
Garage is wrong again. If we keep on telling ourselves that most Muslims are on our side until they have sufficient numbers to overthrow us we’ll lose. If we admit that they are all opposed to western values we can win.
Brexit is making things worse, they are already taking about granting more visas to non-European immigrants,specificallyl from Africa and south Asia. Ethan I told brexit supported that it would mean replacing Polish Catholics with Muslims they laughed, but they aren’t laughing now.
Mark says
Should say “when I told” predictive text!
infidel says
It is SHOCKING that Farage has now become a DHIMMI… One can really never trust these politicos.. In India too, these people are like chameleon…
Whatever he says: ISLAM IS AT WAR WITH US AND WILL NEVER STOP!!
Jennifer says
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gravenimage says
Thanks.
gerard says
I’ve never trusted Farage on islam. He’ll be remembered for Brexit but on islam he’s far from awake.
Mirren10 says
He’s a *politician*. They are all the same; if it is a question of their careers and their comforts, they will lie. Mr Spencer has told us Farage has admitted he’s a liar. He’s just another political pos.
gravenimage says
Mirren, Geert Wilders is a politician, but is principled. And so far Anne Marie Waters in Britain sounds good.
Gene says
It been a ” battle between us and the entire religion” of Islam for over 1,400 years. If we don’t understand this, we’ll loose. If freedom is to survive Islam must loose because it is the problem.
KJW says
So, Farage isn’t standing up for free speech. England has already lost. They said they have ~30,000 jihadis lurking there, they are aware of mosques and Islamic schools preaching and teaching hate of non-Muslims and British culture and their police, it appears that 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims born in European countries are more conservative than their parents who immediately grated there many years ago, there are enclaves if Muslims practicing sharia law, demanding it on the streets, Muslim politicians with shady ties, a bunch of child’s marriages, etc. He thinks these Muslims are going to assimilate and understand secularism and how it’s helped the western countries prosper? Sure with Saudi hate preachers…
They lost when they took money from the Saudis who own a bunch of their ports and bulky and threaten them with money; they lost by letting all these immigrants in and harboring bad people; they lost with their lying politicians and calling Cameron a racist when he noted Mayor Khan’s ties with Cage.
Politicians apparently feel they have to act like lying politicians or as John Kerry called it, diplomacy. So, Farage is useless and has no guts. They feel they can’t deport all these people and they’re stuck with what we already knew-the Muslims’ propensity for mobs and riots over anything they see as a slight. They know they’ve created a powder keg situation which had been warned for years. Someone here said that they will issue more visas to North Africans and South Asians when they can’t even employ who they have. This flies in the face of Brexit.
Our politicians are no better. Remember Obama and Paul Ryan ushered in that Omnibus bill that was quietly done also increasing HB1 visas by a lot.
The politicians, the EU, the European Commission, UN need to be exposed and that altruism isn’t their driving motive but money. Given England’s not putting their foot down in about 10 years it will clearly look like a burgeoning hellhole that’s about the square acreage of New York State. Germany is about the size of Montana, France like Texas. Think about that congestion with a whole lot of Muslims who feel entitled by Allah to own what they did not work for nor create. It’s no wonder that one of the three Jewish tribes when Muhammad exiled them that the Muslims watched them destroy their own home…a scorched earth move. ‘Exile us bit you’re not going to have our stuff.” I wonder if tourism is going down.
Tom says
Sorry Nigel but on this one you are just plain WRONG.
If the majority of Muslims opposed the radical elements in Islam we would have known it by now. No the majority may be silent but they sure as heck support the aims and objectives of Islam.
Hell Awaits says
No, we shall win. In fact this is the only way to win. If “fundamentalists” are snakes “moderates” are the grass they hide in. Burn the grass and the poisonous snakes will burn with it.
Daniel C says
How many at the time thought we would lose against the Spanish Armada, Napoleon and Hitler ? It is good and right that we are scared, though we will win. Islam is stuck in time, and while our notion of “progress” today has been skewed, warped and perverted, at least we try. Time, in the short term, is on their side. In the long term, it is on our side.
SeanInNYC says
Islam has been ever-expanding since its inception. Long term, they are the ones who seem to win. Their violence eventually cows the unbelievers into subservience.
SeanInNYC says
You cannot beat Islam with European humanism/ atheism. The only way to roll back the barbaric death cult is to contrast Islam’s barbarity with a beneficent alternative faith. People of faith will not abandon faith for atheism and nihilism, which is all that European culture now offers. If Europe cannot rediscover its Christian faith, and show Islam the True faith, then Europe needs to accept Islam as it’s new dominant ideology. That, or drive them out entirely at the end of a bayonet.
Linda Clark formerly Linnte says
Once AGAIN! Here is Nigel Farage describing Islam as a RELIGION, automatically GIVING Islam power within his Nation. This is what I mean by changing the FLIPPIN’ narrative!
Make Islam a Nation and BOOM, the perspective changes completely.
Aussie Infidel says
I am disappointed with Nigel Farage. He was right to get Britain out of Europe, but he is wrong – and always has been – about confronting Islam. That is one of the reasons why others like Paul Weston of Liberty GB, and now Anne-Marie Waters of For Britain have formed separate parties.
A major problem in the UK is their ‘first-past-the-post’ voting system, which virtually guarantees that minor parties are kept out of government. UKIP has been going for 25 years and even now they have only a few members in the Lords and 17 in the European Parliament – and soon they won’t even have them.
Gerard Batten was one of the founding members of UKIP, and is a much more rational voice opposing Islam than Farage ever was. It’s a pity that he was not their leader from the outset. Britain might not now be in the mess it is in.
Farage seems to have the same attitude to Islam as all previous British PMs, both Labour and Conservative, going all the way back to the 1950s. They want to appease the Muslims at all costs, lest they are called ‘racists’. The problem is that in Britain, the issue has always been defined as ‘whites vs blacks’, when it should have been ‘Christians vs Muslims’, ‘modernity vs medievalism’, or ‘civilisation vs barbarism’.
Anyone who is opposed to what Tommy Robinson has done to expose Islam as a barbaric criminal cult, is a dhimmi fool, and should get the hell out of British politics.
Free Tommy! And restore freedom of speech!
“Everyone suffers when freedom fails,
The best men rot in filthy jails,
And those who cry Appease! Appease!
Are slaughtered by those they tried to please.”
Anon.
Linda Clark formerly Linnte says
Well said Aussie.
meh says
He isn’t wrong. The fact is, we’ve already likely lost.
As for Tommy, he’s on point as well. And that’s as someone who thinks it shouldn’t have happened, and that it’s rather crappy. But he was put on probation previously, and he should have known better. Just like Jayda.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
“But he was put on probation previously, and he should have known better.”
So because he was exercising free speech he should have known better? So anyone that calls out evil and is reprimanded by the government should stop calling out evil? With that mind set all UK citizens should just bow down to allah and the islamic governing body and accept an islamic theocracy.
I, unlike you, think that islam will not win even with help of the globalist. Islam is a lie based on lies and can not be sustained in countries with educated and high IQ people.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Susan.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Re: “No sane person is saying that the West should go to war with the entire Islamic world.”
Well, I dunno about that.
We have neutron bombs, while only Pakistan currently has even conventional nukes.
You do the math!
😉
PS: FREE TOMMY ROBINSON!
Linda Clark formerly Linnte says
Sometimes I find myself wishing for the West to eradicate Islam completely. But it would leave our World destroyed. There are too many ignorant Leftists who would side with Muslims. And I believe a war like that would open up a window for the Globalists to step in and be our hero’s, but with an enormous cost to our Liberty.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
You can not remove only part of a cancer tumor!!!! It will just grow again and you will be back at square one.
Linda Clark formerly Linnte says
Absolutely correct Susan. Which is why eradication really is the only answer, and then banning Islam from our Western Nations. Time will tell. I just hope and pray my grandkids get to live freely.