Ramadan Day 16 thought for the day from my new book The History of Jihad:
In his famous outreach speech to the Islamic world from Cairo on June 4, 2009, Barack Obama said:
Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition….
Tolerant al-Andalus: as the conquest of Spain was being completed in the year 718, the Umayyad caliph Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz sent out a message to the governors of the various Islamic provinces:
O you who believe! The non-Muslims are nothing but dirt. Allah has created them to be partisans of Satan; most treacherous in regard to all they do; whose whole endeavor in this nether life is useless, though they themselves imagine that they are doing fine work. Upon them rests the curse of Allah, of the Angels and of man collectively.
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St. Manuel II Palailogos says
I’m loving the peace and tolerance.
J D S says
When I see those stupid people holding signs like this I see Satan at work and think of that awful Lake of Fire they are headed for. As believers in Christ this should make us so sad to see so many millions who are lost to Satan and his realm….but Satan will also slip into our lives and put thoughts in our head that make us wish that that Lake of Fire to consume them….When I see people holding these signs I also see complacent governments who are doing nothing to curb the advancement of the evilness in Islam…….Anytime those signs appear anywhere in the free world it should have our legislators on the edge of their seats ready to stand up and say….that’s enough…Time to pass laws…..freedom of religion does not cover this.
bulldog says
Sadness? Useless emotion. Get ready to fight.
TomtheBaptist says
Amen. I find myself lacking a heart felt compassion for these people at times. Especially after an attack on innocent lives for no other reason but to kill non Muslims. It is – without a doubt – a prayer issue as are all things. Press on in the Lord Jesus.
Ren says
I’d rather be dirt than a follower of islam.
Wellington says
Seconded.
mortimer says
A key thing Western people don’t get about Islam is the Islamic concept of defilement. Anyone who isn’t a Muslim is ritually defiled, no matter how perfect their moral character or refined their manners. The worst Muslim is considered better than the most perfect Kafir. ‘Kafir’ is the worst insult in Arabic, because a Kafir is defiled. Defilement would not bother us ‘Kafirs’ if it were merely a religious concept, but defilement in Islam has serious political consequences: second-class citizenship at best or no human rights at worst, and jihad-warfare directed against the Kafirs. Sharia law defines who is defiled. Sharia law is not just religious law that applies to Muslims only. Sharia is universal and applies even to Kafirs, whether they recognize Sharia law or not. Since every Kafir is ‘defiled’, no Kafir is equal to a Muslim, wherever Sharia law is in effect.
Islam says Kafirs have rejected Allah’s sovereignty and Allah’s legal system, and so they are excluded from the political Ummah of Islam. Kafirs become defiled by willfully rejecting Allah’s Sharia law code, but they are also guilty of rebellion and treason against the only valid political constitution and only valid law code, the Sharia. Islam says that Kafirs know the truth about Mohammed, but pretend they do not know and lie about it. Kafirs commit the crime of knowingly rejecting Mohammed, so no Kafir is ever ‘innocent’. Such rejecters are defiled by their dissent. “Allah loves not the disbelievers.” – K.5:54
Defilement as Motive for Genocide
Muslims may also remove defilement on a large, even a national scale. A main reason that Muslim invaders killed 80 million Hindus in India during several conquests was to purge the defilement of Hindu idol worship. Mohammed removed all polytheism from Arabia and exterminated Arab polytheists. In India, Islam imitated Mohammed and committed the biggest genocide in history.
Islam has an ascending scale of defilement: 1) non-practicing Muslims 2) Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians 3) polytheists, Hindus 4) agnostics and atheists. Notice that atheists who worship no god are more defiled than polytheists who worship too many gods. That is because polytheists who may accidently recite the name of Allah are considered less defiled than atheists.
So there we have it: Defilement is not just a religious concept in Islam, but political as well. Defilement is the key to understanding the Muslim’s world view of Kafirs. Islam’s Weltanschauung of ‘defilement’ has harsh political consequences for non-Muslims which they need urgently to address. Islam sees all non-Muslims as defiled enemies who must be duped and herded under its political control. Jihad is the struggle for political control of Kafirs. The defilement of Kafirs is Islam’s excuse for jihad-warfare against the Kafir.
‘Defilement’ is the lens through which Muslims see and hate the disbelieving, non-Muslim, Kafir world.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Thanks, Mortimer, for your ranking of degrees of defilement, which is related to the emotion of disgust (e.g., how Hitler felt about Jews). But the source of the phrase “Allah loves not the disbelievers” is not Quran 5:54 but Quran 3:31-32 and 30:43-45; see
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/does-allah-love-unbelievers.html
(Theological question: Does Allah experience emotions? Is he a kafirphobe?)
william says
Mortimer,,,,, moooooooohamid was known as SHAERON MAJNOON,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the crazed poet!!
Ezra Adamson says
Thank you for that further explanation – the nuance of ritual defilement is worth noting – moslems may ‘like’ a kafir but still consider him to be defiled.
boakai ngombu says
thanx Mort. now i understand that this supposed defilement was the reason for the CLEANSING rhetoric used when the mosque prepared for waging genocide round and about the village
Ren says
@mortimer
“Islamic concept of defilement: Anyone who isn’t a Muslim is ritually defiled”
This proves the total lack of insight of the muslims. They worship a pedophile, a thief, a murderer, a terrorist and they think they hold the truth. Insanity has no boundaries in islam.
gravenimage says
Important post, Mortimer.
Andy says
IF this is how ISLAM thinks of unbelievers well
I LOVE BEING IN DIRT AND GETTING DOWN AND GETTING DIRTY If it is against ISLAM!
ISLAM- A destructive force as bad as NAZISM AND COMMUNISM-which only lead to conflict with others.
BRAINWASHED IN IDEOLOGY=ISLAM=RAPE RELIGION, SELF PROCLAIMED Religion of Peace-How ironic to call yourself this and then turn around and destroy in the name of same religion=ISLAM.
Andy says
Islam gets a pass with the globalists, meanwhile this song gets a you-tube notice of offense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb9q1ScC4cg
I’ll talk with you all later, It’s time for a shower, I was talking about dirty ISLAM1
esther says
it’s beyond stupid—-it is nauseating—–just look at the picture. It’s obvious
that those sluts in scary black disguise—–are motivated to the perversion
of DOMINITRIX. Those who “revert”—–should be placed in isolation and
rehab
Holger kruger says
Islam always talk about non beliver come from hell?
I say what proof islam have at hell exist?
Are they come from there?
sorry my bad English. My English is not well.
gravenimage says
Your English is fine.
Joss says
Jay Boo …Western politicos seem to be very much a part of your “massive stupidity”. They’re busily handing us over to islam/sharia without as much as a whimper!
Asally says
A lot of people out there are not convinced by “Mohammed was a clown.” There are a lot of of people who feel compelled to “be fair”. Our Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. A lot of people think other people’s religion is wrong, silly, even bizarre, but we in America are conditioned to accept them equally, so it is very important for people in the West who have not studied Islam to know exactly what it is all about. There was nothing in Mortimer’s “essay” which would convert an intelligent person to Islam. There is little in youir comment to convince anyone not to. The whole idea of Jihad iis to educate. You aren’t doing much educating.
J D S says
Stupidity breeds stupidity and it is a fact that Muslims are super breeders. Oooooooo the devil made me say that.
jihad3tracker says
AH YES — TOLERANCE !!!!
Dr. David Wood, one of our absolute best counter-jihad bloggers, made a video titled “Three Stages Of Jihad” several years ago.
Former Muslim-In-Chief Barry Hussein Obamalama contributes several hilarious appearances. The video runs a tad under 25 minutes, but has David’s usual citations from the Qur’an and Sunnah, to establish his argument.
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED — but please view it when not distracted or multitasking.
jihad3tracker says
I have mentioned this video by David Wood previously, but because the weekend is starting and those of us with Monday-Friday jobs may have a slice of spare time to watch it, here it is again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxOM4GrqElw
It details how completely jived & fooled Muhammad Ali was regarding Muhammad’s true attitude toward black humans, and the fascinating history of CASSIUS CLAY — the man whose name was originally given to that heavyweight boxer at birth.
That video runs roughly 13 minutes.
When you read or hear a clueless African-American Muslim praising Islam as a resource for “persons of color”, you can enjoy a hearty horselaugh at their exploitation by Allah’s hustlers.
Shmoovie says
Thank you for posting this link; have not seen the Ali video.
Have been troubled lately by family members expressing a new ‘interest’ in islam.
Walter Sieruk says
That quote from the title of the above article which is “O you who believe .! non-Muslims are nothing but dirt.” That exposes much about the worldview that Islam teaches Muslim to have about people who are not Muslims. Therefore , the god of Islam likes it when non-Muslims [Kafirs] die . About the god of Islam ,the television Imam Suliman Satari said “Annihilate the Infidels… Allah count them and kill them, to the last one and don’t leave even one.” Furthermore Imam Abu Hamza Al-Masri said “What makes Allah happy? Allah is happy when Kafiers get killed. [1]
. The above words of these Imams reflect the example of Islam’s prophet and the teachings of the Quran. “Muhammad now fell upon them [the Jews] slew all the men, nine hundred of them…”[2]
Moreover, the Quran reads “When ye encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads, until ye have made great slaughter among them. Verily if Allah pleased, He could take vengeance on them without your assistance, but He commandeth you to fight His Battles.” 47:4
In short, these Imams and their murderous prophet with their bloody Quran show the world what Islam really is. After all, Jesus did teach “by their fruits you will know them.” Matthew 7:20. [NKJV]
[1] The disc documentary OBSESSION: RADICAL ISLAM’s AGAINST THE WEST
[2] THE OUTLINE OF HISTORY: THE WHOLE STORY OF MAN by H.G. Wells
Mal Feesence says
How can I order ‘The History of Jihad’ without dealing with amazon…? All the links seem to go to amazon…
TWG says
Amen…. I stopped using amazon a few years ago because of their pro-islammunist ideologies and advocacy. Would like to order the book, but I absolutely refuse to use amazon.
CogitoErgoSum says
I am wanting to compose my own prayer to Allah. So far, it goes like this:
Oh my beloved Creator and Slave Master, thank you for placing your chains around me and drawing me near to you. The words that came to me directly through Gabriel and then Muhammad and then the Quran and also through the hadiths and the life of Muhammad guide me in everything I think and do, all day long, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and each and every minute and second of my entire life, may it be a short one. Thank you for not making me like the vile, stinking, dirty, lying, stinking, scummy, stinking, Christians and Jews. May they burn in hell. Oh Allah, you are what makes me what am. Peace, love and peace to everyone.
Peace and Amen.
I don’t know. It needs a little polishing but I think Allah would be pleased, don’t you, or am I not being humble enough?
Terry Gain says
Oh Allah, if only everyone knew you don’t exist the world would be a much happier and more peaceful place. If you existed you would strike me dead today, as I am an infidel challenging you and disputiing your very existence. Tomorrow I will report on whether you exist.
CogitoErgoSum says
Terry, I will pray for you to be spared if you are found to be pleasing in Allah’s nostrils. So take a bath tonight and use some underarm deodorant. If you are here tomorrow, I know it will be because of the that.
Ray Jarman says
CogitoErgoSum,
I enjoyed your prayer until you used the word LOVE. I have looked and I have not found it in the koran. I am like Terry Gain also in that I have no doubt about there being no allah or gabriel. It is not something that I would say to my Heavenly Father or his Son for he may not strike me dead but he would make me feel like a fool.
J D S says
Oh Terry…. their Allah really does exist. He Is Satan, the best of deceivers…He showed his great decisiveness when he spoke to muhammad (if he actually ever existed NO HISTORICAL PROOF that he did) making him think he was Gabriel. He is working overtime today because he knows his days are numbered. Of course during these numbered days we will suffer his decisiveness as seen in the non action of the western governments.
boakai ngombu says
maybe a tad more RAGE
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, I think I use the word peace too many times. Maybe I’ll add “Death to America” somewhere in there.
boakai ngombu says
+1
Carolyne says
I think Allah would approve of your prayer even more, Cogito, if it were said with your butt waving in the air.
James says
Barack hussein Obama is some kind of muslim who has attended Al Sharptons church, and has quoted the apostle paul. Elected to two terms, and i’m still trying to understand why?
CogitoErgoSum says
White guilt.
Terry Gain says
Liberal stupidity, dispersed liberally on both coasts. .
mortimer says
How did all of North Africa,once the breadbasket of the Roman Empire, go from entirely Christian and agrarian to depopulated, entirely Muslim, and desertified almost overnight?
How did modern scholars swallow the HORNSWOGGLE about the myth of Umayyad tolerance in Spain, in spite of Islamic inquisitions, beheadings, impalings, and crucifixions? How can they not realize that inquisitions were a Muslim institution well before they became Spanish Catholic?
“The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise” by Dario Fernandez-Morera shows that dhimmi scholars haven’t a clue about Islamic Spain and have not done their homework of READING THE PRIMARY HISTORICAL SOURCE TEXT of Spanish history.
CogitoErgoSum says
Algeria is huge and sparsely populated. Yes, much of it is desert but didn’t Islam and the first Muslims start out in the desert. I hear there are scientists working on ways to terraform Mars. What about the deserts here on Earth? They have lots of sunlight to create electricity to run air conditioning. We have long pipelines that carry oil. Can’t water be transported that way also? The oceans are rising giving us even more water for desalinization. Where are the scientists who are working on these problems? Why is the solution to African overpopulation to tell the Europeans to stop having children while the Africans have more and more children so they can send them to Europe? Why isn’t this called racism? Enough of this non-sense. I’ve sure had enough of it.
Wellington says
Nothing but dirt? Hey, I thought we kuffaars were the equivalent of human waste, i.e., urine and feces, so it looks like this Umar from the eighth century was lifting us infidels “up” to dirt level. What a guy!
Gotta’ love Islam. It’s so flexible and progressive often times—even as far back as the eight century. But I wonder if this particular Umar knew he could have been in trouble for referring to us infidels as “highly” as dirt because, as many infidels know, when Muslims are not persecuting non-Muslims they go after each other for not being Muslim enough. Hmmm.
Tough call at times whether Islam will be crushed out of existence or laughed out of existence. Reasonable minds can differ here, preferably while discussing said topic over some fine North Carolina BBQ ribs and plenty of beer.
mortimer says
Yes, Wellington, KAFIRS are POLLUTED and Muslims are required to avoid them.
Faeces, dog hair, dog hair, urine, pigs, women and kafirs require a Muslim to wash.
mortimer says
Correction: Dog hair, sweat and saliva.
Westman says
Dirt is so underrated. It nourishes the plants that feed animals including humans. Muslims would be nothing without dirt – no halal slaughter, no camels, no toilet, etc.
Like most things Islam, even its attempted slander of the kafir as useless dirt is problematic, off-center, inaccurate, and drivel. From dirt Muslims ultimately came, and to dirt they shall return.
Axis porcinus says
Lets talk Dirt. Pigs poop an average 11 pounds of shit a day….where is it going? Lets say a pig lives five years before slaughter, thats about 20,000 pounds of swine shit per pig. One billion pigs are slaughtred annually so thats Billions and Billions of pounds of Swine Shit produced for dirt regeneration. Pig Poop (Pig Urine) is a noble fertilizer on most farms in the US and other parts of the world. Pig Poop Permiates and Penetrates almost all fruits , vegetables and grains grown and manufactured into food products sold and or provided to muslims. As a result muslims unwittingly and joyously consume Pig Shit!! I wonder if muslim man knows..? Where oh where to find a halal fruit, vegetable, spice or grain prouduct? Pig Poop is not listed on ingredient list for most foods!
Oh ye piuos muslims, YOU are grown of pig shit and pig urine! Food for thought!
J D S says
Wonder if Muslims really know that some of the food they eat Is grown in pig poop…….Halal food..what a laugh..those selling supposedly halal food are there to make money so guess what, halal is not really halal at all but desecrated by pig poop. Hmmmm…just sayin….
boakai ngombu says
Kafirs are rare earths
Neil says
Please provide a reference.
gravenimage says
A reference to what? Who is this replying to?
somehistory says
Yes, with evil pride, they tolerate anything that is in agreement with satan the devil who made up the cult of islam to use as a human weapon against the True God’s people.
“Pride goes before destruction; a haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16)
Their overwhelming pride in themselves is leading them to destruction as they tolerate every evil work, and as they attempt to wipe off the earth anyone who disagrees with their beastly conduct.
gravenimage says
“O you who believe! The non-Muslims are nothing but dirt.”
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So much for that vaunted tolerance…
And it is not, of course, that Muslims just despise Infidels–it is that they are so willing to oppress, abuse, and murder us.
Lebel says
“O you who believe! The non-Muslims are nothing but dirt. Allah has created them to be partisans of Satan; most treacherous in regard to all they do; whose whole endeavor in this nether life is useless, though they themselves imagine that they are doing fine work. Upon them rests the curse of Allah, of the Angels and of man collectively.”
What is the source for this? primary source please not blog called muslimsareallevil.org
gravenimage says
Lebel could, of course, buy Robert Spencer’s book.
But he has already said that he hates Jihad Watch for opposing the horrors of Jihad, so I doubt he would want to support something he so objects to…
Lebel says
Fine but there should be some legit sources out there. I looked online and found a few websites none of them citing the original source and all of them anti-islam.
Again, there is material out there by Muslim jurists/scholars which is hateful but I would need evidence for this one.
Westman says
This is just a restatement of Quran 9:28 which was most likely uttered by Umar II. This is not an abberation on Umar’s part.
“O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.” – Sahih International 9:28
“O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.” – Yusuf Ali 9:28
This word, “unclean”, in this reference means dirty.
Try searching for this string and it will become apparent, “Believers! Those mushriks are nothing but dirt.”. What you will find is 9:28 expressed as:
“Believers! Those mushriks* are nothing but dirt. So, after the expiry of this year, let them not even go near the Sacred Mosque. Should you fear of poverty, Allah will enrich you out of His bounty if He orders so. Surely Allah knows and commands rightly.”
Umar needs no defense. For his people he was a leader on the order of Gandhi, literally selling all he had and giving it to the poor. He was poisoned at 38 yrs of age by his own fellow Muslim leaders for reducing their income from jizya and taxes.
However his statement that unbelievers are “nothing but dirt” is simply a pass-through from the Quran. Why would we expect him to like unbelievers? He followed the Quran.
gravenimage says
Good post, Westman.
Lebel says
To correct you once again (only for you to ignore me once again), I oppose jihadwatch because I believe that it is anti-muslim. I believe that it promotes hatred of Muslims, all Muslims, and is laying the intellectual groundwork for anti-Muslim policies ranging from forced deportation to violence and worse.
I also believe that RS manipulates his audience through conspiracy theories, selective/biased reporting and tendencious analysis.
If jihadwatch was purely anti-extremist, I would also be on board.
gravenimage says
Lebel wrote:
To correct you once again (only for you to ignore me once again),
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Wow–I’ve “ignored” Lebel for all of a few minutes, here. Good grief…
More:
I oppose jihadwatch because I believe that it is anti-muslim.
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Is Lebel saying that all Muslims are active Jihadists? Robert Spencer does not believe this, nor has he ever said such a thing.
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I believe that it promotes hatred of Muslims, all Muslims, and is laying the intellectual groundwork for anti-Muslim policies ranging from forced deportation to violence and worse.
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Of course, Robert Spencer has never preached violence–again, just the opposite. Lebel is saying that opposing Islamic violence is–somehow–a form of violence against Muslims.
There are those who say that not allowing Muslims to wage violent Jihad is a form of oppression that does not let pious Muslims fully practice their faith, though–perhaps this is what he means…
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I also believe that RS manipulates his audience through conspiracy theories, selective/biased reporting and tendencious analysis.
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In other words, reporting on the horrors of Jihad is “biased”. Bad, bad dhimmis…
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If jihadwatch was purely anti-extremist, I would also be on board.
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But there is nothing “extremist” about violent Jihad–this is mainstream Islam, as Lebel well knows. He hates Jihad Watch for daring to point this out.
Wellington says
Jihad Watch, Lebel, does not promote, as you assert, hatred of all Muslims. What it does promote is profound skepticism, completely justified I would argue, of what the Islamic faith intends for all humanity in sundry ways that other major (and minor) faiths do not, and as clearly found in Islam’s own theological blueprint.
Robert Spencer has been crystal clear hundreds of times over that it is not all Muslims he has a problem with but rather with certain Islamic doctrines, such as death for apostasy, which are still indicative of mainstream Islam to this very day (the sanctioning of rape of non-Muslim women is yet another example of something that Islam condones and which is rooted in its religious texts {e.g., Suras 23 and 33 in the Koran} which no other major religion even remotely endorses).
Speaking for myself, I don’t hate all Muslims. Indeed, when my wife was going through cancer treatment some ten years ago (successfully I am very relieved to add), one of the nurses who attended upon her was a black Muslim and she was an exceedingly kind person which I took note of then and now (otherwise, why would I be pointing this out here?). However, one could have found kind Nazi Party members back in the 1930’s or many kind Communists during the Cold War. But so what? This didn’t make Nazism or Communism all right.
It is the ideology which must be judged first and foremost and not the individual kindness of a follower of an ideology which is retrograde and an enemy of true liberty, equality under the law and a real Golden Rule for all. My God, one could find nice KKK members who would fix your car if it were not working or take you to an emergency room should you need such medical service, but who of sense because of these kindnesses would argue that therefore the KKK is OK?
Islam, Lebel, is a mortal enemy of liberty and equality under the law. One knows this or should know it. There is no glossing over these EGREGIOUS malfunctions of the Islamic theological blueprint. As I already noted above, Islam, as taught by every major school of Islamic theology to this very day, whether Sunni or Shiite, for instance the four main Sunni schools, the Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi and Maliki, still sanction rape of non-Muslim women, still sanction death for apostasy, and also still sanction slavery, among so many other wrongs.
Get all this, Lebel. Please do. Understand that I, as an American, who cherishes liberty, comprehends that there is one major faith out there which is a mortal enemy of liberty. That faith is Islam. Therefore, I oppose Islam to the core of my being. It has NOTHING to do with hating all Muslims, just as I don’t hate all KKK members, Neo-Nazis, Marxists, anarchists, et al. It has EVERYTHING to do with loathing the hateful, freedom-crushing ideology that these confused, though often nice, people adhere to. If by now you do not comprehend that this has been Robert Spencer’s point all along, mine too and other regular commenters here at JW like those of mortimer, Jay Boo, Westman, Cogito Ergo Sum, Undaunted, DaveGreyBeard, 6woods,Kepha, Mirren, epistemology, most certainly gravenimage, et al., then I fear you will keep raising the strawman argument that Jihad Watch hates all Muslims. I hope by this point, assuming you have read all that I have written here, that you will realize the “hating all Muslims” argument is actually no argument at all but rather an excuse masquerading as an argument.
I’m sorry mankind eventually got a major religion that sucks to its core. I wish it hadn’t. But mankind did. It got Islam and I challenge you or anyone to name just one good thing about Islam that cannot be found elsewhere in a multitude of religious belief systems while all the while Islam promotes heinous doctrines that no other religion in its theological blueprint does, death for apostasy and the sanctioning of rape being just two among so many other heinous theological positions which alone, for any reasonable and informed mind, should discredit Islam for all time.
And all of which has NOTHING to do with hating all Muslims. By now you know this or should know it. I don’t hate all Muslims but I most certainly hate Islam because it so deserves to be hated, Lebel. Yes, the very “nature” of Islam is the problem and it is the ultimate red herring to attempt to exculpate this heinous belief system by mendaciously attempting to focus on something else, “hatred of Muslims” in your own words. Learn this. Soon. That is if you can.
The European says
To Lebel
I don’t think that jihadwatch is anti-Muslim, it is anti-Islam, but that is a huge difference. It’s like saying “I hate sin, but I still love the sinner.” When I read all those articles about Islamic atrocities, the killings, bombings and stabbings, I feel outraged. I get angry at those Muslims who committed these heinous crimes and I want them to be punished as they should be; but I still feel more outraged about their dehumanizing religious ideology which compels them to kill in the name of Allah.
Nobody who has studied Islam can honestly say that this religion is tolerant, peaceful, compatible with humanitarian and egalitarian principles and democracy.
Just take one example: blashemy and apostasy. According to Islamic teachings the blasphemer and the apostate must be put to death, and in Muslim countries like Saudi-arabia, Pakistan and Iran apostasy and blashpemy carry the death penalty. And this is not some extremist brand of Islam, it’s traditional mainstream Islam.
So, don’t you think that killing people because they have embraced another faith or have decided to adhere to no religion at all constitutes a from of extremism?
Even in their most orthodox versions Judaism and Christianity are teaching that the herectic, the blasphemer and the apostate will burn in hell, but only God himself will mete out the punishment on Judgement Day. But Islam takes a step further. Not only in the afterlife will the apostate/blasphemer be punished by Allah, but even in his terrestial life must he suffer the harshest punishment: being put to death. If this is not religious extremism, I then don’t know what is? Islam itself is extremist, not just ISIS or Al-Kaida.
One does not need to believe in conspiracy theories, if one tries to imagine what happens when millions of Muslims pour into Western countries. If illegal mass Immigration from Islamic countires goes on unchecked, there will be over 100 million Muslim in Europe on five, seix, seven years; and if only 10% of them decide to go to jihad, we will have a war in Europe; and this is no hatemongering, no hysterical outcry of inveterated islamophobes. This will probably happen, if we don’t -at least temporarily- put a ban on Muslim immigration, deport dangerous Muslims, shut down salafist mosques and start fighting Islam as a political -religious ideology.
CogitoErgoSum says
If there is a growing dislike for Muslims among non-Muslims it’s due to a growing knowledge among non-Muslims concerning ISLAM. Those who are Muslims get tainted by association with something vile. If you swim in the sewer, you are going to stink to those who don’t like the smell. The perfume used to cover up the stench isn’t working as well as it once did. Somebody needs to find a hose.
duh swami says
Dear Mr Lebel…Or shall I say Abu? I have been reading and posting on JW since about 2003 while you were still in grade school…As a result, I would believe Spencer way before I believe you…But you are entitled to your opinions,,,and that’s what they are, opinions…
gravenimage says
Thank you, Jay Boo. And I agree with you about Wellington’s contributions.
J D S says
Wonder if Lebel knows some of the food he is eating was grown using pig poop….reference to an earlier post about pig poop and how it is used for fertilizer…most domestic animals poop is used for fertilizers….so a lot of food we eat is grown that way…Most likely organic vegetables are grown without man made fertilizers…..
Now what about human waste???….Hmmmm.. maybe we are what we eat.
HugoHackenbush says
Published recently. Has copious references and footnotes with references from source materials. Well worth reading:
https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Andalusian-Paradise-Dar%C3%ADo-Fern%C3%A1ndez-Morera-ebook/dp/B01AL2SP76/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1527895859&sr=8-1&keywords=myth+of+the+andalusian+paradise
Janwaar Bibi says
Lebel asks a perfectly reasonable question and here is the answer: you can find the quote in the article below. The article is a translation of an old text by Ghazi ibn al-Wasiti, written around 1275 AD. It has both the original Arabic and the English translation, so if you read old Arabic, you should have no problem checking the translation. See page 423.
“An Answer to the Dhimmis”
Richard Gottheil
Journal of the American Oriental Society
Vol. 41 (1921), pp. 383-457
Published by: American Oriental Society
DOI: 10.2307/593747
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/593747
gravenimage says
Thanks you, Janwaar Bibi.
Lebel says
Thank you
DHazard says
“O you who believe! The non-Muslims are nothing but dirt. Allah has created them to be partisans of Satan”
So why are the dirt people better off by any measure than the non-dirt people? What have the non-dirt people contributed to humanity in the last 500 years?
Also, this is another reason not to believe Islam is a religion of religion. What kind of God would create most of the human race for the sole purpose of being NON-Muslim and sub-human? Islam is so stupid.
Rarely says
Must be white male privilege.
Mortazar says
Is Robert Spencer muslim?
gravenimage says
What are you babbling about? No, Robert Spencer is not Muslim.
Salome says
Dust we are, and unto dust we shall return.
gravenimage says
That is *not* what the quote above is about, Salome.
Wellington says
“Dust we are, and unto dust we shall return.”
Except, of course, faithful Muslim men who get 72 virgins and “pearly boys.”
Logic&Reason says
The only way this ideology has survived is through fear of the violence it promises and delivers–direct from the owner’s manuals.
Supremacist and intolerant to the core.
And if you don’t like it, you’re a dhimmi or a deadie.
Rarely says
A note to Wellington.
I couldn’t disagree with you more concerning .Neo-Nazis, the KKK and the like. These racist, far right-wing groups are comprised of volunteers who do not join if they do not subscribe to the vile and slanderous garbage those organizations stand for and espouse. Personally, I despise EVERY ONE of their members — even those who would fix my flat. Similarly, I despise every muslim who wants me dead simply because I do not subscribe to their religion.
Wellington says
Rarely: Hmmm. You say you “despise every muslim {sic} who wants me dead simply because I do not subscribe to their religion.” Uh-huh. OK. Well, what about those Muslims (there at least some you know) who don’t want you dead? Do you despise them too?
Do you despise everyone who belongs to a hate-filled or totalitarian organization? How about Communists? All Communists/Marxists you despise too? Communism, you know, just as with Islam, the KKK and Nazism, establishes an “us v. them” situation/paradigm and the “them” either need to be eliminated or reduced to a servile status, only the “grouping” functions as a variable, with Communism singling out socio-economic groups (the upper and middle classes) for vilification, Nazism and the KKK certain ethnic or racial groups, and Islam with non-believers. Hate all of these people who adhere to one of these belief systems or organizations? Every last one?
See, where I’m going here is that I look upon all those who belong to, or adhere to, hate-filled, totalitarian, etc. organizations or ideologies as confused human beings. No exceptions. But I don’t think every last one of such people should be hated. The Muslim nurse who kindly attended upon my wife when she had cancer is certainly not someone whom I hated. I despise her belief system but not her per se, though once again I think her confused and would have loved to have had some conversations with her (especially so because she was black and I think any black who is a Muslim is extra confused considering Islam’s track record on black slavery and the refusal to this day to apologize for said record).
I have known whites who despise blacks just because they are black but I haven’t in every case despised such whites (sometimes I have however). I feel sorry for them and, once again, certainly think they’re confused in their thinking but, per that old line, one can hate the sin without necessarily hating the sinner.
Thanks for your thoughts on this matter.
Rarely says
It’s very nice of you to see people who hate you to death as simply “confused”. Some might consider that as just a dash naïve, delusional or downright condescending.
I’m not 100% convinced that it would have helped much if the 12-14,000,000 people who died in concentration and extermination camps in WWII considered the Nazi murderers as merely “confused”. Nor would the thousands of lynched African-Americans find it comforting.
Neo-Nazis and KKK members are, by definition, willingly adherent to a vicious, racist, murdering,etc ideology that wants many of us dead. I couldn’t care less if their mothers breast-fed them or not. Nor do I care how they came by their belief. There are no exceptions among them. You might feel differently about whites (like the KKK) who want blacks murdered IF you were black. You may have the luxury of social worker-type understanding if neither the Neo-Nazis or KKK are after your scalp.
Muslims, OTOH, are most often born into their religion without their consent. They are not all after the heads of non-believers.
The terms “Communist” and “Communism” conjure up a picture among many Americans that is the personification of evil and equates them to Nazis as you appear to do. As a political movement it has produced as many murders as Nazism. However, unlike Nazism and the KKK in many of its forms it is generally not a death cult. In Canada the Communist Party is above ground and it is legal to be a member. I have known many and, with the exception of the Marxist-Leninists and the Maoists, are not an angry or vicious group. They are better described as simply being at the far left end of the socialist scale. They are barred from security operations as a hold over from the Cold War. They are not a danger and do not advocate genocide in any form. BTW I am not a left winger in any sense and never have been, in case you were wondering.
Keep an eye over your shoulder because the Neo-Nazis and KKK may be after you next and you will want to be ready to tell them they are “confused”.
Wellington says
Rarely: Those who are out to kill me, yes I do despise them, but a lot of people who adhere to a despicable organization or ideology are not themselves ready to fully implement the tenets of the foul creed or organization that they are a part of. Not every last Nazi Party member in the 1930’s wanted to put Jews in gas ovens. They would have been contented to just have Germany free of Jews. This is still awful but not as truly evil as actually killing Jews. Many Muslims don’t even know the tenets of their religion very well or they think Mohammed really was a good buy when in fact he was a brutal killer and narcissist. Such people are ignorant and confused but not truly evil.
As for Communism, I think you don’t quite grasp that Marxist theory REQUIRES the brutal elimination of the upper and middle classes. It is a prescription for genocide and, indeed, this has occurred with the more “enthusiastic,” pure Marxists that have had the opportunity to pull this off, examples being Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Che Guevara. Hell, even better off peasants were fair game for these psychopaths instituting pure Marxism. I state here, unequivocally, that Marxism is as evil as Nazism, the KKK and Islam. You don’t seem to grasp this.
And you failed to answer my initial question to you: What about those Muslims that don’t want you dead, are even nice people on a day-to-day basis? You see, I don’t think of such people as evil but “merely” very confused. Their religion is evil and many other of their faith are, but to see every last Muslim is evil is to actually diminish true evil. I would say the same thing about Communists. Not all are evil but all are confused. Don’t read any more into this than this. I am fully aware that certain belief systems are malevolent but my overall point is that not everyone who adheres to such a belief system is ipso facto evil.
Rarely says
Wellington.
I’ll leave the matter of sin/sinner up to the powers that control the hereafter. I have had many close friends who have been adulterers and thieves. I fully understand that one can hate the sin and not the sinner. I don’t detest Neo-Nazis and KKKers because they sin. I couldn’t care less if they find themselves in Heaven or Hell. In this world they are as evil and dangerous as the jihadists.
Wellington says
Disagree, Rarely. No way Neo-Nazis and KKK people are, as you yourself said as “dangerous as the jihadists.” How many people have Neo-Nazis and KKK members killed over the last twenty years or so as compared to jihadists? Virtually none.
Hence, that you maintain, as you have, that they are as dangerous as jihadists is, well I’ve got be frank here, simply ridiculous. Islamic nut-jobs have committed more than 33,000 documented terrorist attacks just since 9/11. What is the number for KKK members and Neo-Nazis over this same time period? Again, virtually none. Yes, KKK members and Neo-Nazis are ignorant people, foolish people and they have hate in their heart, but to aver as you have that they are as dangerous as jihadists is risible beyond all measure. You discredit yourself with such a statement.
And I noticed again that you did not address my question about Muslims who don’t want to kill you or my contention that Marxism (Communism) is just as evil as Nazism, Islam and the KKK. In fact, as bad as the KKK is, and it’s pretty bad, no doubt about it, if I had to choose between the KKK ruling America or Communists doing so, I would choose the former (terrible choice I know but this is a pure hypothetical) because they don’t adhere to the idea that entire groups need to be eliminated but rather that non-whites should “merely” know their place and they also would not ruin the economy as Communists have everywhere they have been in power. Yes, I assert that as bad as the KKK is, and it’s terrible, Communism is even worse. I don’t think you grasp this. And the fact that in your 12:30 A.M. post you essentially exculpated many Communists because they are, in your words, “not an angry or vicious group,” only tends to prove my OVERALL point I have been trying to make all along that not all followers of an evil ideology are themselves evil, so thank you for unwittingly proving this contention of mine.
Rarely says
Wellington.
Regarding your last post. You didn’t read my post regarding Communism but, if you did, you did not understand it. I don’t care. I have no wish to defend Communism otherwise than to point out that it has many different offshoots many of which are physically harmless.
I answered your question about my feelings toward muslims who don’t wish me dead but, perhaps not clearly enough for you. I pointed out that most muslims are born into their religion and did not volunteer. Many, if not most, have no interest in violent jihad. Consequently I do not detest muslims, as such. The non-jihadists I view neutrally.
Although it is a weak excuse, some WWII Nazis would have been forced into joining the Nazi Party and may not have been full fledged adherents. Neo-Nazis cannot claim any such exemption. Neither can KKKers.
People who disagree with you or who hold opposing beliefs are not necessarily “confused”. Neo-Nazis and the KKK know exactly what they are doing and believe in it PLUS they voluntarily subscribed to it to a man. It is very condescending of you to suggest that they are merely “confused”.
I just realized that perhaps we are arguing about definitions. Exactly what do you mean by “confused” and how would you “un-confuse” them?
Wellington says
Rarely: I wanted you also to know that your partial exculpation of Communism is pathetic. Communism in theory (and do you really know Marxist theory, for instance, determinism, dialectical materialism, the labor value theory, the theory of alienation, the class struggle theory, et al.?) is as evil as Nazism and Islam. It calls for the brutal elimination of certain groupings (as I have already detailed) just as Nazism and Islam does. Realize this finally if you will because until you do you will give Communism a pass it does not deserve at all.
Rarely says
I suspect you are correct. We’ll see what Wellington’s future comments reveal
gravenimage says
Rarely, Wellington is one of the most staunch Anti-Jihadists here.
Lydia Church says
Only all the dirty insults they utter apply to the muslims, not to the non muslims!
They thrive on intolerance against all others.
The more of them in number, the more this is obvious.
CommoHull says
Loved the picture, Robert. I totally lost it! Dominate the world, indeed.
Magith says
Another one is 5 Muslims were arrested for printing duplicate currencies. And 2 for smuggling gold from Iran.
duh swami says
“Muslim’ is not a person, it is a title… It refers to membership in the cult of Allah and the messenger Mohammad…Since the cult of Allah and Mohammad has a violent and vicious dark side, being ‘anti-Muslim’ is appropriate for kuffar who are paying attention…
Johm says
Muslims are lost and they will all be sent to hell as it is written in the Bible ! Your works are like philty rags and will not get you to heaven as it is written also. Islam is a debotched geopolitical system and will keep you in bondage to your false god Allah! Jesus and Yahweh were around long before your stupid Allah came along. When Moses was they called him the I am at that time not Allah . I am tulle get you to turn to Jesus before its too late.
Holger kruger says
I was insulted about they say i´m dirt just because I´m non beliver of islam.
FYI says
I have wiped muck off my hiking boots that is cleaner than anything found in islam or its “holy” book.
I have seen microbial lifeforms on microscope slides that are more sophisticated,more advanced and have more to offer humanity than those evil, demonic,Godless, savages with their “islam will dominate the world” placards.
They have their false god of hate ,allah the deceiver(koran 3:54) and their false prophet(al tabari 6:111)to misguide them.the fact that both allah and muhammed admitted to being deceivers appears to be lost on muslims.
The actual True Biblical God{of Jews,of Christians}has no need to use force or violence to take what.. He already owns.
At some stage,given the obvious EVIL of islam and its hatred and violence,the True God will have to do justice to stop it;so if you are a Christian or Jew you should know where to find the information…
Note that allah CURSES both the Jews AND the Christians koran 9:30:so,allah(the islamic god of hate) is NOT the True Biblical God.
The Free Thinker says
I am beginning to consider the muslim belief that we Americans prefer Pepsi to death. I had an ice-cold Pepsi yesterday, and it was a warm, sultry day, and I thought, yes, I do prefer Pepsi to death.
Rarely says
I’ve heard it said that the only thing more important than Life and Death is golf.
Wellington says
On a much lighter note in communicating with you, Mark Twain said that “Golf was a good walk ruined.” I tend to agree. I know it takes real skill to play the game well but that doesn’t mean it still isn’t boring to some.
Rarely says
Wellington
Sorry to do this piecemeal.
The ideology that the Neo-Nazis ascribe to and strive to emulate (i.e. NAZISM) is directly responsible for upwards of 40,000,000 deaths since 1933. It may or may not be more than the jihadis but does not equate to zero as you suggest. You know all this, of course, and, have an impossible task of trying to distinguish Neo-Nazism from Nazism when the adherents proudly claim otherwise.
gravenimage says
Rarely, I hate Neo-Fascists, but you may have noticed that Nazis have not actually been much of a threat since 1945.
gravenimage says
🙂
Rarely says
Wellington may, in fact, be one of the staunchest anti-jihadists commenting here and there we would agree.
Where we disagree is in the nature of Neo-Nazis and KKKers. I have absolutely NO USE for either group, or groups like them. I see them as being as vile, hate-filled and as dangerous as the jihadists. Wellington, OTOH, sees them as merely “confused”. Personally, I do no see people who disagree with me as simply being “confused” and awaiting my enlightening them but as actually holding different views. When these views are as horrid as the Neo-Nazis and KKK and groups like them I have zero tolerance.
That is the main area of contention.
Please feel free to join in.
Wellington says
Rarely: First of all, there is a HUGE difference between Nazism and Neo-Nazism respecting the amount of deaths each hate group is responsible for. The former can have laid at its feet 50,000,000 or more deaths. The latter hate group formed after WWII is responsible for very few deaths, even though any Neo-Nazi is a bozo, hater and ignoramus. For you to conflate what Nazis did as opposed to Neo-Nazis and then assert that I have asserted that Nazism is responsible for virtually zero deaths means that you are either stupid or deceptive. Quit it in either case. Either get brighter soon like or cease conflation that is deceptive in the extreme.
Second, I too have NO USE for Neo-Nazis or KKK people. They are despicable. Got that, Rarely? And again you either stupidly or deceptively conflate what I have said. What I HAVE SAID and which YOU DID NOT NEGATE is that jihadists in our time are almost infinitely more dangerous than are KKK members or Neo-Nazis. For you to assert, as you have that KKK members and Neo-Nazis in our time are a dangerous as jihadists is the stuff that fools assert. Again I ask you, over the last 18 years or so, how many people have Neo-Nazis and KKK members killed as opposed to how many have been killed by jihadists? Don’t engage in another dodge or attribute to me something I have not said.
You have also yet to address what I have put to you more than once, i.e., that Communism is just as evil as Islam, Nazism and the KKK and yet you HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THIS. Again I say to you, quit the dodging. You have also not addressed something else I have put to you and that is that though all Muslims are confused, as I have asserted numerous times here at JW over the years, not all Muslims are evil. What they believe in is evil but this does not equate to all Muslims being evil. For instance, do you really think someone like Zudhi Jasser is evil? Irshad Manji?
Frankly, I am getting very tired of you distorting what I have said just as I have gotten very tired of your inability it seems to realize that Marxism is as evil as Islam, Nazism, Neo-Nazism and the KKK. Wake the hell up and QUIT distorting what I have asserted here at JW. Done here.
Dr. Darkpool says
“And I say you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it”—— The words of Christ from the gospel of Matthew 16, V18.
Politicianophobia says
Oh Allah, thank you for making me a woman, I love my ghost outfit, I love being one of four wives, I love it when he hits me, I love that you made me a half-wit, I love it when he tells me to come to him for sex, I hate that I worry, silly me, that he might be giving me a disease. Oh Allah I will try harder. I pray for a cool summer.
Jaladhi says
Ha, ha, ha,…makes me laugh – those who are themselves nothing but “dirt” are calling the human beings dirt! Talk about inferiority complex, there is no shortage of it in Islam and Muslims!!
Politicianophobia says
Do the four women or children in the above picture have the same husband? Come girls, I’ll let you out for some sunshine. How sad, it’s a man’s religion.
Carolyne says
If onw “Hates the sin, but loves the sinner,” One is accepting the sin as acceptable in one’s friend. I believe the sin and the sinner to be one entity and cannot be separated. The sinner himself is indeed the sin..
Rarely says
You are probably correct but I personally prefer to leave the matter of sin up to a person’s relationship with their god. I find it too difficult to try and judge these situations because I rarely have enough facts to do so. I find no fault in your theory but am no expert on the subject.
Rarely says
Wellington.
If you do not see the dangers of the Neo-Nazis you are ignorant and have your head in the sand and I feel sorry for you. You are clearly “confused”. Similarly, if you are unable to distinguish between the various branches of Communism you are simply ill-informed and “confused”.
I do not feel the need to try to educate you out of your “confusion”. I think we got into this because of your post where you posed as a Neo-Nazi apologist (or merely an ignoramus) by simply labelling them as “confused”. They are anything but.
P.S. I’m sorry if you find golf boring.
Wellington says
How cheap to call me a Neo-Nazi apologist. I mean how low can you go?
All right. I am going to make it very simple for you to understand. Let’s take four hateful ideologies or organizations: Communism, Islam, Neo-Nazism and the KKK.
Since the end of WWII which of these have resulted in the most killings? The answer, by far, is Communism (at least a hundred million deaths done in its name). Islam would come in second and Neo-Nazism and the KKK would be very distant thirds and fourths. And yet in your 12:30 A.M. post of June 2nd you said you knew many Communists who were not “angry and vicious.” So what? What they voluntarily adhere to, i.e., Marxism, is as evil as the Islamic theological blueprint, the Neo-Nazi ideological blueprint and the KKK ideological blueprint. But, just as I do not think that all Muslims, Neo-Nazis and KKK members are evil, though some are, I do think they are all confused and ignorant because what they adhere to is evil. Ditto for Communists. Yet, how telling that one group of these four whom you exculpate to some extent adhere to the ideology which since 1945 has proven to be the most deadly of the four. Can’t make this stuff up. See how confused in your thinking you really are?
You, Rarely, are contradictory in your assessments and you have leveled low blows to me. You ought to be ashamed of yourself but I think you may be dense enough not to grasp what I have conveyed here. And I am no more of an apologist for Neo-Nazism or the KKK than I am for Islam and Communism. All four are hideous but not every adherent to one of these four is ipso facto evil as you yourself unwittingly indicated with Communism even though it has been the most lethal of the four since 1945.