When the political elites betray the people, the people find new leaders. My latest in FrontPage:
“This is not a clash between equally moral positions; it is a battle between freedom and oppression, compassion and barbarism, civilised behaviour and violence. We need to decide what side we are on, and fight for that side to win.”
Those stirring words are the conclusion of Anne Marie Waters’ remarkable new book, Beyond Terror: Islam’s Slow Erosion of Western Democracy. This is the account of Waters herself, who up until not very long ago was a reliably Leftist member of the UK’s Labour Party, deciding what side she is on, and beginning to fight for that side to win. Realizing the threat that jihad terror and Sharia oppression of women, gays and others poses to Britain and to the free world in general, Waters recounts how and why she left Labour and became an activist for human rights, and particularly for women’s rights.
Waters calls herself “an anti-sharia campaigner,” and forthrightly explains: “I’m fighting a battle against a religion which is new to Europe, and it’s something that I feel frightened of, and I’m not ashamed to admit that is because of how it treats women. When you talk about women, you’re talking about me; you’re talking about my freedom and my autonomy and my right to live in a way that makes me happy.”
Yet despite the clarity and obvious rightness of this, Beyond Terror is a book about betrayal. Above all, of course, there is the betrayal of the people of Western Europe and North America by their governments. One of the most remarkable and portentous developments of the last few years has been the increasing alienation of the political elites of Western Europe and North America from the people they are supposed to represent. It is now taken for granted by vast numbers of people that the broad mainstream of the political spectrum is dominated by individuals and groups who do not have their best interests at heart.
But there are other betrayals in this book as well. Exiting Labour, Waters joins UKIP, the UK Independence Party, whose leader, Nigel Farage, was one of the principal proponents of the Brexit initiative. Waters admired Farage: “his frankness was jaw-dropping. He inspired and energised, and that was, I felt, exactly what politics needed.” But after Farage resigned the UKIP leadership, the increasingly prominent Waters became a candidate to replace him – only to be denounced as “racist” and “Islamophobic,” and even as a Nazi, by UKIP apparatchiks who lacked the courage to confront the greatest challenge Britain faced since Hitler.
After being denounced by Farage (an ugly act of cowardice on his part that Waters passes over in silence in the book), Waters finished second in the UKIP leadership race to the colorless Henry Bolton. “In hindsight,” she states, “the UKIP leadership election could not have gone better. The primary reason was the exposure of UKIP’s leaders for what they really are: professional politicians more concerned about negative press attention than telling the truth and standing up to the greatest threat to Britain since the Second World War. The public now knew for certain that UKIP did not have the courage or principles to defend the country against any and all enemies. It was an important lesson for them to learn.”
The betrayers included Farage: “Following the result, even the messiah Farage made known his capitulation to the mainstream press. After years of being called a racist for wanting out of the European Union, Farage would then imply that others are racist for opposing an incredibly dangerous religion which, at that time, had prompted the murder of scores of Britons and the rape of thousands.”
UKIP’s loss, however, could be a gain for the free people of Britain. After the UKIP betrayal, Waters recounts how she founded her own party, For Britain. This couldn’t come at a more propitious time. All over the West today, a new group of citizen leaders is arising – people who are not professional politicians, and who are determined to defend their nations not least against those very political classes that have betrayed their own people. Donald Trump is, of course, the most successful, but there are many others. If Britain is to survive as a free nation, it will be because Anne Marie Waters and other citizen activists have taken it upon themselves to do what their government has failed to do: protect its own people from threats foreign and domestic.
Beyond Terror is one woman’s story, but if Britain and any other nation is going to survive as a free society, this book should be taken as a template for what must be done, and for how everyone who values freedom must now become an activist – before it’s too late.
mortimer says
Western politicians have SOLD OUT OUR FREEDOM to the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD … both for CASH and for VOTES.
SHAME ON THEM FOR SELLING OUT THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND NATIONS!
Andy says
Emergency: Tommy Robinson Transferred to Muslim Prison, Facing Certain Death
Muslim inmates already chanting death threats against Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBUnVtOoxxs
Andy says
https://www.infowars.com/tommy-robinson-shipped-to-high-security-muslim-prison-to-be-released-to-general-population/?utm_source=Nightly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=08b90b3bdf-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_06_13_09_09&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e12661a83c-08b90b3bdf-37893017
Linda says
That is a truly awful development.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Thanks for keeping us apprised Andy.
Andy says
I will do anything for all of us Patriots.
Mantel says
Watch Gr8brit channel on YouTube or Hooktube. He has the best breaking latest vids on Tommy.
Jennifer says
Thanks Andy! Action Stations!
OP says
This is so awful. It makes one so angry. People should ram into the Parliament. The way to tackle this legally is to quickly get a legal team together who files a complaint against the judge who is behind this treason.
gravenimage says
Entirely Alarming, Andy. Jihad Watch is now covering this story.
Carol the 1st says
Some good news! Ezra Levant is doing what he can for Tommy and his family. The video below came out on the 15th and in the first 25 minutes he discusses how Tommy’s family has chosen a top-notch legal team from the UK – Carson Kaye Solicitors.
Ezra Live! BIG NEWS about Tommy Robinson + your questions & comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9CHA6a8V8&t=2745s
gravenimage says
Good news, Carol!
PRCS says
“some even lead relatively stable and secure lives but they live forever just outside the cage door whether or not they realize it.”
Nicely put.
J D S says
We who have lived in America all of our lives (a very long time) have known FREEDOM all that time but have seen some freedoms being degraded, even so,we still enjoy a freedom that Muslim countries do not……We have seen the by-product of th I see countries as migration has overtaken Europe and too much migration in America has brought much change to our political realm also. Political correctness is degrading out FREEDOMS more than we can visually see….YESTERDAY would have been too late to get started to make CHANGES.
Japetto Danatelli says
Ohhhhh my gosh, I adore this woman. She’s so intelligent, so perfectly in tune with the important issues (and she’s kinda cute, too). I can’t wait to get her new book, “Beyond Terror.” I love listening to her speak because her clarity of thought is like music to my ears. She gave a great speech at the rally for Tommy. It’s obvious the people respect her and are counting on her to help fix the mess the appeasing left has created. The one good thing about this islam issue, it gives me a chance to see what it means to be a great leader in service to humanity. And this ain’t puffery, I really mean this. I’m talking about people like Anne Marie Waters, and Spencer, and Wilders, and Geller, these are the people I admire. And what a difficult job they’ve got, to work so hard for everyone but still have to experience the worst kind of slander and hate for doing so. That only makes me respect them all the more, it shows the depth of their conviction and good will for others.
In the unlikely case you haven’t subscribed to Anne’s You Tube channel, please do. She deserves so much more attention than she’s getting. She’s a sensible thinker and has compassionate concern for her nation and human rights.
I so wish I could believe in god, it would be much easier for me to say, “God bless Anne Waters” for the good work she’s doing. Oh what the hell, I’ll say it anyway,
God bless Anne! and her political party, FOR BRITAIN!
Elisha says
“Ohhhhh my gosh, I adore this woman. She’s so intelligent, so perfectly in tune with the important issues …”
Faith in Jesus Christ and repentance are the ONLY issues worth addressing. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom …
Japetto Danatelli says
Wow, are you in the wrong forum? There are tons of websites that would welcome your Christian zeal. Hope you do better there. Your reply has no relation whatsoever to my post or this thread, you’re simply proselytizing. I don’t want it, I don’t need it. Thanks anyway, and I wish the you very best in overcoming your need to judge others. If I were you I’d pray to Jesus, maybe he’ll forgive you for talking like such an arrogant a$$.
My objection to Christianity is that it is infinitely cruel, infinitely selfish, and, I might add, infinitely absurd. Robert Green Ingersoll.
I don’t usually attack other religions in here, but you brought it out of me.
Lydia Church says
My objection to YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM is that it is infinitely cruel, infinitely selfish, and, I might add, infinitely absurd.
Christianity is the OPPOSITE of all those things.
Since you hold that about Christianity, YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM fits that description above.
YES, you DO need it.
I know his comment had nothing to do with yours, but it is still true.
And people’s rejection of the Biblical God is what got Europe into this mess to begin with.
But STUPID people still don’t realize that.
Ingersoll was a total fool in that case.
Enjoy sharia law because that is the alternative, something that is very evil.
ciao.
Lydia Church says
I’m so weary of the idiots that call good evil, and evil good!
They won’t confuse heaven and hell though, which they will find out are also real.
gravenimage says
Lydia Church wrote:
I’m so weary of the idiots that call good evil, and evil good!
……………
Agreed, Lydia.
Japetto Danatelli says
“YES, you DO need it.”
Lydia, you don’t know what I need, or who I am, or what god might think of me assuming god even exists. You’re talking like a jihadi for Jesus. It’s the same kind of narrow minded bigotry that sent countless thousands to the stake and torture chambers. The world is full of too many people who think it’s their duty to impose their delusional beliefs onto others, as if they were fit to speak for god. They don’t try to lead others to their faith with meek example or genuine love, but out of arrogance and hypersensitivity for their own unreasoned beliefs. It’s nothing but an ego trip. If you truly believed in Jesus and god the sheer magnitude of the belief would humble you into the ground. Your whole approach would have been different, your tone toward me would have reflected wisdom and genuine concern for my soul. However, I did not see that in your comment, instead I get the same angry, belittling, petty, asinine response that one usually gets from a third rate intellect for Jesus. All I did in my first comment was pay Anne a nice compliment, and for that I get a stern scolding from some arrogant-speaking Christian. I don’t have to let myself be insulted, I’m right in acting in my own defense.
Religion has been the scourge of humanity because it’s a human construct created by man to control others or make money. Virtually every religion I know something about is based on magic or superstition or bad history, Christianity is no different. And the consequence has been much bloodshed and untold suffering. If I want to overcome islam I won’t be using one superstition to overcome another. Instead I’ll appeal to facts and reason insofar as my intellect allows. That’s why I’m a huge fan of Anne Waters and Robert Spencer, because they’re rational thinkers who don’t berate others for their lack of religious belief. You pray if you want to, darling, I’m gonna stick with stone cold strategy.
Ingersoll was a total fool in that case.
Ingersoll was high intellect, a great orator, and a humanist. His critique of religion was profoundly sensible and intellectually enriching. Sorry if you aren’t yet ready to appreciate his brilliance.
And people’s rejection of the Biblical God is what got Europe into this mess to begin with.
No, what got them into this mess was the lies and immigration policies of the left and the bigoted, hateful beliefs of the islamic faith. Had Europe been 100% atheist the outcome would have been the same, all other things being equal. And even if you’re right, that people have rejected the Biblical god, that does not necessarily mean a total rejection of god. I propose the likely possibility that the people of Europe are simply seeking god in more intelligent, less narrow-minded ways. There are many worthwhile truths in the Bible, but it also portrays god as vindictive, unmerciful, jealous, and murderous. For myself, I know god would be better than that, so the Bible can’t be a divinely inspired work in entirety and therefore should not be summed as the “word of god.” And I’m sure there are many in Europe that think like me.
I’m more than happy to argue with anyone in here about the absurdities and crimes of Christianity, too. But that’s not why I come in here. I’m here to support Spencer and to express my thoughts and feelings about islam. So on that note, goodnight Lydia.
Paolo says
@Japetto Danatelli
“Jihadi for Jesus”
I am sure you are referring to the apostles of Jesus when they attacked and killed 50 Romans as it is reported in the Gospel of Matthew.
Oh wait, I think it was in the Gospel of Mark when a follower of Jesus killed a man who mocked Jesus.
Or was it mayybe in the Gospel of John which reports how Jesus encouraged people to murder in his name.
Japetto you have convinced us! Christianity is truly violent in its core doctrine! You have revolutionized intellectual thinking!
Terry Gain says
My objection to Christianity is that it is infinitely cruel, infinitely selfish, and, I might add, infinitely absurd. Robert Green Ingersoll.
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Japetto
What a stupid and fallacious comment. You obviously are completely ignorant about the teachings of Christ.
Japetto Danatelli says
Paolo, you resorted to a Strawman, and Terry you did the same with some ad hominem thrown in. I see no reason to take you seriously. But thanks for trying. Have a nice day, and please don’t hate me for Jesus. It’s so un-Christian like. Now, can we get back to what this forum is about? Thanks.
Paolo says
@Japetto Danatelli
Wait a minute. You didn’t refute one single arguments I brought up.
Just to say “strawman” and hoping that every topic is dealt with this one word, it’s intellectual lazy to say the least.
You even used the word “un-Christian” when you before have clearly stated that you don’t believe in Christianity.
I would urge you to refine your troll-skills.
Bye!
Japetto Danatelli says
Wait a minute. You didn’t refute one single arguments I brought up.
Just to say “strawman” and hoping that every topic is dealt with this one word, it’s intellectual lazy to say the least.
You even used the word “un-Christian” when you before have clearly stated that you don’t believe in Christianity.
I would urge you to refine your troll-skills.
Bye!
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Paolo, you didn’t present a valid argument, so why waste my time? You took my paltry simile that I used to describe one person’s behavior and misconstrued it into an attack on Christian doctrine. At no time did I ever suggest that Jesus or his followers were violent in the way you suggested with your imaginary Biblical citations. And based on that false assertion you derived your sarcastic conclusion that I had convinced everyone that “Christianity is truly violent in its core doctrine!” Wow, you’re creative, it’s a classic Straw man.
What I did assert is that Christianity, like most religions, are founded on magic or superstition, and that has often led to bloodshed and suffering which is a fact. Christian history is rife with examples of innocent people getting tortured or murdered for speaking the truth against Christianity in the same way islam kills us. Again, this is a fact. I also said that the god of the Bible is portrayed as vindictive, unmerciful, jealous, and murderous. Again, this is a fact, whether one is a believer or not. So I’m not sure what part of my post you find so offensive. Man, all this backlash because I granted Anne a nice compliment. Wow, if this is how you treat me for that, I shudder to think of what you might do if I really offended you.
Let me make a suggestion, spend a couple of years in a good religious discussion board, something like “Christianity vs. Atheism.” You might be surprised at how your own opinions change over time. I think we’ve had enough of this silliness, don’t you?
Julea Bacall says
I agree that Christianity or Hindu or Buddhist are not the subjects.
What Islam does to the human spirit, human rights and health & freedom are. Every religion and people of no religion can agree on dangers of Islam and that is all we should focus on.
J D S says
Japetto……prople with your take on CHRISTIANITY is part of the reason the world is in the fix it is in today. Christianity needs to be in every forum today…especially today….with the Islamic situation being what it is…We need more and more Christians and less Islamist…….
We need Christianity because it brings order to any civilization..
Just take a few minutes and see what the world would be today without Christianity in the forefront.You may not be able to comprehend what the world would be like without Christianity…..For instances just look st the Muslim world…Don’t you understand that Christianity has kept the Beast at bay????? You seem to be hung up on God in Old Testament times……Jesus is the NEW COVENANT He is the Love side of God…Do a little research before you deride us. Oh there is a God who will send unbelieving Sinners to that awful Lake of FIre…But not before they have had more chances than anyone should get.
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Japetto Danatelli says
Oh there is a God who will send unbelieving Sinners to that awful Lake of FIre…
Why do so many Christians love to portray god as a sadistic torturer? Do you really believe a loving god would act no better than a devil against his created beings? So the same kind of monumental love that would sacrifice his only begotten son for sin is the same love that would condemn a misguided soul to “an awful lake of fire”? Have you even read your own “word of god” where it says,
“There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.” 1 John 4:18
If god is perfect in love there is no need for fear. That’s the kind of god I’m seeking, one with the intelligence and morals one would expect from an entity with infinite love, wisdom, and patience. Not your kind of god, one that acts like allah who tortures and kills like a sick mental defective. My advice, stop projecting your own fears and sadistic thinking onto god and calling it truth. Your average, normal human being wouldn’t torture with fire, certainly we can expect god who has infinite love to do better.
Here’s what 1 Corinthians says about love:
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends…
Love bears all things, endures all things, is patient and kind. A god with this kind of love would never act like you suggest, torture is not a loving act. This is the same god that said, “love your enemies, do good to them,” remember? Your perception of god seems as confused as the Bible’s. My advice, spend less time clinging to fairy tales in seeking god and rely more on commonsense morality and rational thinking. Your mind will be a lot less cluttered and you’ll be a lot more sensible in thought.
gravenimage says
Good post, Julea.
Julea Bacall says
You almost sound like a Muslim with a word or two changed.
Religion cannot fight religion and get anywhere. Thats already proven. The situation at hand is something we all have to get together on no matter what beliefs or no beliefs. This is something we the people have to do. And that is the issue of web for all our information.
Concentrate on what we agree on. This is too important.
Giacomo Latta says
100% correct.
Terry Gain says
I do not trust idiots who use expressions like “Jihadis for Jesus”. Leftist atheists frequently support Islam because they say Christianity is no different. This claim is not just untrue but viciously absurd and calls into question the intelligence and character of the person making it.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. All of us need to work together to halt the spread of Islam.
I suggest that we formulate & pursue practical strategies that don’t require divine assistance, no matter how righteous our cause.
gravenimage says
True, Savvy Kafir.
gravenimage says
Elisha, surely you aren’t claiming that Christians should ignore politics–and all good and evil in the world? That is not actually a Christian stance.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Le Pen, Orban, Wilders among Kremlin’s ‘5th column’ hell-bent on destroying Europe, says EU bigwig”
https://www.rt.com/news/429650-eu-fifth-column-russia-brexit/
Carol the 1st says
I’d like to slip in my two cents here. It’s too late at night to read all of the exchanges but it looks like another spat has broken out – makes life interesting but I’m hoping it doesn’t discourage you from posting Japetto because your posts are unique and quite good! I too however did not like at all the Ingersoll quote and am a little surprised you chose it (but he’ll be worth checking out if you admire him).
We all have our own foibles but most try to watch their p’s and q’s on this site. I like to hear the religious point of view here and there but I agree with you that this is not a site that should be taken advantage of and usurped for proselytizing.
Julea Bacall says
The point of this site is Far too important to become anything other than education of the extreme dangers of Islam with Full Focus. It is not just a religion but a Government, way of life with controls on every single aspect of everything & a very clever way of mind control. Very Clever. The Qur’an is a Warlord Manual for conquering and full control of humans who end up doing all the dirty work, happily, thinking they will get a big reward in Paradise. It fits like a straight jacket and there is NO getting out for the average. Everyone should read the Qur’an to see how Bigoted, Anti Semitic (from 700AD) totalitarian, Supremacist, apartheid, genocidal it is. Please do have your friends on the left see how ANTI Multicultural to the extreme that it is. None of it is ‘liberation’ Not Sunni, not Shia, not Amadyya.
Japetto Danatelli says
hoping it doesn’t discourage you from posting Japetto because your posts are unique…
Thanks for the compliment, Carol, and no I won’t quit posting. I do fluctuate in my posting anyway, depending on how busy my life is and whether or not I feel I’m doing any good with it. I chose that quote because, for the most part, I agree with it and admire Ingersoll. Of course Christianity has done good too. But I felt insulted by his arrogant, condescending response–which had nothing to do with the topic–and so I hit below the belt. I typically do better, but some of these religious folk are like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. 98% of the time I ignore them, but when they start that unrelated preachy crap then I feel they’re asking for it. I’m not going to change my stripes for them. If they feel at liberty to impose their religious delusions on my butt then I should be entitled to equal time for an opposing view. I think you’d agree, that’s fair. Thanks, see ya ’round.
Julea Bacall says
agreed, japetto. Chalk board noises hurt the issue of WARNING against this very clever political/’religion’ of old warlords made for Conquering/controlling by punishment & fear. Its crippling all countries. Every single one. Warning and defense is too important and not to be confused with racism/religious supremacy/freedom of speech/right or left politics or ANYTHING. No one should muddy the waters of the real issue of dangers/subtle or not subtle Islam and what is wants & actively works for. Its much more dangerous even than Russia. We actually need Russia to defend Against Islamists.
It would be at least tolerable if this ‘religion’ just defined itself as one of many legitimate religions, but it refuses to change & will fight/lie/trick for Supremacy over everything. (Christianity gave that up with its last prophet/Messiah–& all should respect that.Judaism never tried to Make everyone Jewish at all)
gravenimage says
We all need to stand together against Jihad!
Julea Bacall says
Against jihad, Supremacy-submission to others, Bigotry (the Qur’an/Hadiths are so bigoted), dictatorship,apartheid like no-go zones of others countries, fatwas, and all of it taught by sermons in Mosques in free countries. ‘free speech’ has boundaries and does not allow collaborating to destroy USA’s core values (plus a few other boundaries)
cornelius says
Very sad about UKIP. Now a new party – ‘For Britain’ – needs to be built from the ground up. This will take years, with no prospect for success. As far as I’m concerned, Europe is a goner.
Ecosse1314 says
Not far wrong. The voting system in the UK is so archaic it would take years for any non-establishment party to register on the political barometer. Never mind win a Westminster seat.
b.a. freeman says
yes, cornelius, but still no reason not to try. one’s freedom (and sometimes one’s homeland, should it allow a reasonable facsimile of freedom) is *always* worth defending – to the *death*.
“Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.” – john stark, a general in the u.s. revolutionary war, on 1809-07-31.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
Julea Bacall says
Keep Trying!!
Savvy Kafir says
Cornelius — Anne Marie Waters’ For Britain party will be far better than UKIP ever was. And there’s no way of knowing how successful it might be, or how quickly it might grow — unless we all take your attitude and just surrender now.
It’s a little early to be calling, “Game over!”
gravenimage says
Hear, hear, Savvy Kafir!
Carol the 1st says
Many leaders in this century seem to be proving the old saw: ““Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
K. says
I didn’t know all that about Farage. Not so pretty.
DragarOz says
He is a snake.
Tom S. says
Her speech at the 9 June “Free Tommy Robinson” demonstration was inspiring. You can find it on the web. Let’s not forget Tommy!
gravenimage says
+1
mariam rove says
The brits have dug themselves a hole beyond repair. M
Savvy Kafir says
Since leaving the Labour Party in 2013, Anne Marie has been scathing in her criticism of PC, Islam-friendly liberals and left-wing politicians & bureaucrats. And her party is often described as “far-right” — a label applied to virtually all critics of Islam.
But she herself has stated repeatedly that her new party, For Britain, is not meant to be a “right-wing” party or a “left-wing” party — but merely a “common sense” party that says what needs to be said and takes the necessary actions to halt the Islamization of the U.K., to restore sanity to government & policing, and to defend free speech & other human rights.
I’m sure most of her support comes from the political right; but she also has the enthusiastic support of some progressives, such as the singer & animal rights champion Morrissey, as well as myself.
Anyone who is concerned about the creeping Islamization of the West — no matter where they lie on the political spectrum — should support Anne Marie Waters and her For Britain party. Especially if you live in the U.K., and can actively take part in her party. But even if you’re not a Brit, please contribute to her party financially (it’s quick & easy), and help to promote For Britain on social media, web forums, etc.
Her party is EXACTLY what Britain needs. And it can serve as a trailblazing role model for parties in other countries. And Anne Marie makes a great party leader — bold, honest, intelligent, & well-informed.
https://www.forbritain.uk/
Rufolino says
Whether Waters is far-right, or isn’t, you can be sure the lefty media will never cease to describe her as “a bigoted, xenophobic, right-wing extremist” as a means of destroying what she stands for.
Savvy Kafir says
No doubt! Accuracy & honesty are not major concerns for the MSM these days. But shielding Islam & Muslims seems to be Job #1 for any self-respecting mainstream “journalist”.
Julea Bacall says
I think its because they feel its defending freedom of religion or differences and they have NO idea what Islam is yet. If they knew, they could ever defend it. Somehow, they must be educated thought now they will resist any attempt thinking the education is just from racists. (and there are racists condemning Islam & they get in the way if they keep things on that level) This problem is something that has nothing to do with race, religion, left or right, Christians or atheists and the focus should be kept.
Savvy Kafir says
Julea — I agree that mainstream “journalists” know nothing about Islam. But it’s a willful ignorance, and totally inexcusable at this point. Journalists are supposed to do some research on their topics before presenting the “facts” to the public. But these PC posers in the MSM are ideologues who have no interest in learning the truth about Islam. They have become the Thought Police (along with politicians, bureaucrats, judges, and millions of ignorant citizens).
Linda says
The socialists/communists in Britain have brought this on the people by defending indefensible Islam. I feel sorry for the people who are mired in the class system and socialist lies.
mortimer says
Linda is correct: Islam is indefensible. So it is, because there is no valid argument with which to defend Islam, either historical, logical or ethical.
Islam is non-historic (having no provenance), it is self-referentially incoherent (having no doctrine that it does not contradict) and it is not moral (Islam’s ethics are based on opportunism and thus Islam is completely amoral).
No valid intellectual case can be constructed to support a person being a Muslim.
Rufolino says
Thanks for this perception, Mortimer.
Carol the 1st says
I like that “self-referentially incoherent”!
Julea Bacall says
Tell the left how Anti Multicultural Islam is. Tell the left how Supremacist it is. Tell the left how bigoted Islam is. And not just anti human rights, anti women’s rights but kills LGBTs
What a strange time when right is left and left is right. Truly unbelievable.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. As someone who resides on the left-ish end of the political spectrum, it’s astonishing & bizarre to see so many of my fellow progressives fighting tooth & nail to defend Islam — THE most ultra-conservative ideology on the planet, by a wide margin — and to see them welcoming Muslim migrants into their countries & cities.
One thing these liberal Friends of Islam all have in common — they don’t know the first thing about Islam. And many of them are totally unwilling to discuss or debate the issue. It’s absolutely insane.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer in FrontPage: Anne Marie Waters Leaves the Left, Defends Freedom
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*Good*.
Felix Quigley says
Gravenimage I do not think Waters has left the “left” in this sense. She was never a socialist never mind a socialist who fought for socialist revolution. So enlighten when was Waters ever a socialist since you back up that claim please say?
What is the programme Gravenimage of Waters for the freeing of Robinson? You do care right! So tell.
Terry Gain says
I do not trust idiots who use expressions like “Jihadis for Jesus”. Leftist atheists frequently support Islam because they say Christianity is no different. This claim is not just untrue but viciously absurd and calls into question the intelligence and character of the person making it.
Terry Gain says
Duplicate posting error.
Savvy Kafir says
That’s true, Terry. On the other hand, virtually all of the liberals/progressives who are critical of Islam are atheists, agnostics, pantheists, or some flavor of disbeliever. (Including myself.)
Pat Condell, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Bill Maher, and Dave Rubin are some of the more well-known examples. Some of us left-wing religious skeptics apply the same sort of scrutiny to Islam that we do to other religions. And we are horrified by what we see there, and acknowledge that Islam is category all by itself in terms of the threat it poses to democracy, human rights, animal rights, and everything we Lefties are supposed to believe in.
Savvy Kafir says
Oops! Should be: …Islam is in a category all by itself…
Julea Bacall says
Yes, and many of us can still be ‘left leaning’ but become aware of how dangerous and anti left, anti America, Bigoted, anti Multicultural anti Human that Islam is as written up in Qur’an/Hadiths and preached by Imams all over the world. In fact, no one can actually be called ‘left’ and be for supporting Islam. I do not think left means ‘socialist’ though many left ideas tend to look at what is good for everyone or most everyone and not just one. Left looks at Country as a whole as well as the individual in the country. Islam does not fit in the lefts ideology but they think its ‘just another religion’ and don’t bother to read the Qur’an. They also have have a block at looking into what has really been happening to Israel. Education is needed but have to get everyone to LISTEN, Question, and Read sources not others opinions.
gravenimage says
Felix, I never once said that Anne Marie Waters was at any time a socialist revolutionary. It would be a ridiculous claim.
By the way, I am a Liberal on many matters, myself–but I know this means nothing to you unless one is a Trotskyite Communist, which I am not and have never been, and certainly do not intend to become.
My main emphasis was not on her leaving the Left, in any case, but in her *defending freedom*.
As for Tommy Robinson, Waters has worked with him on Pegida UK. Here she is from just a few hours ago calling for Robinson’s freedom:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myi561lzCcc
And *of course* I care about Tommy Robinson, his safety, and his unjust imprisonment. I have said this over and over again on every thread here on Jihad Watch dealing with his story since his arrest–and a few that have not specifically dealt with it, when another poster brings up the issue.
You may not agree with my not being an acolyte of any Soviet revolutionaries, but hence implying that I do not care about Tommy Robinson and the crushing of freedom of speech in the UK is not just calumny, it is also just bizarre.
I have been part of the huge letter writing campaign, have signed petitions, and will try to attend any demonstrations in the US. Yes, I could probably be doing more.
What have you been doing to secure his freedom, besides preaching Trotskyite revolution here at Jihad Watch?
Savvy Kafir says
Yeah! … What she said!
gravenimage says
Thanks, Savvy Kafir.
Lydia Church says
People that hate Christianity are just STUPID, IDIOT, BLIND FOOLS that call good evil and evil good.
They want to get rid of it… and then they get what they asked for…. and it’s a living hell.
Uh, yeah…. good luck with that!
DragarOz says
That is a big brush you are using.
Jennifer says
FREE TOMMY ROBINSON DONATE: tommyrobinson.online
Felix Quigley says
WATERS HAS NO PROGRAMME TO FREE ROBINSON
No Anne Marie Waters does not “leave the left” because there is no left in Britain. Who are the left then? This is the trick that people like Robert Spencer is playing.
There is no left. There is a Fascist Left. There is an extreme right around Griffith who like Hitler takes up left positions but only as a crude calculated move.
Waters has nothing whatsoever to do with the British working class and with revolutionary socialism.
Her whole programme is no more than to get an MP into Parliament (like Corbyn in fact) to speak for Tommy Robinson.
What good would that do?
I defend Waters against Farage and against this Fascist Left and against the State.
But my defence of Waters is extremely critical.
The reason that Tommy Robinson is imprisoned is because he was a threat to the British state and its alliance with Islam. In order to solve this problem it is necessary for the Working class behind a revolutionary socialist leadership to take the power and to smash the British capitalist state.
That means the working class will need to disband parliament.
The working class will have to smash to pieces every mosque in Britain. The Mosques as Erdogan believes are the battering rams of Islam.
And this party of Waters wants ONE MP in Parliament!!! Her!!! For what…we already had Bernadette Devlin and what use did that do!
I defend Waters against any kind of attack but at the same time I am saying she is bankrupt politically. That Spencer rows in behind her uncritically tells me Spencer too is bankrupt politically.
Waters had a chance to put forward her programme at Speakers Corner and she did but it is a dud programme. Been there! Done that! Waters is no solution. If anybody praises Waters uncritically then I know at once they too are total duds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6hQMPd7r_s
Ecosse1314 says
Good luck that. All revolufionary “socialists in the uk are 4 square behind islam.
Felix Quigley says
Ecosse1314
You show me by your comment in response to mine is that you read what I wrote, and then in answer disregarded everything I said, because it did not suit with your dogma. Dogma I mean your own unchallenged thoughts.
At the same time you create a diversion away from what I wrote.
What I did write is that there is no socialist leadership in Britain. Do you think that that is possible.
Do you think it possible that a socialist leadership can be totally liquidated? can you entertain that thought as a possibility.
We had Bernadette Devlin in Parliament and she slapped Maudlings face. Big deal. Did you listen to the video of AMW at Speakers Corner…You seem not to have bothered but lash out instead.
The video shows Waters free to give her programme, and she does I think, but it is inadequate.
I have said that I will defend Waters but her programme does not met the demands of the situation.
If you read the comments above there is one which shows that the British Parliament cannot be used, It cannot be done that way.
She is not using the election in Lewisham to put forward a programme that can help Robinson.
She will fail there. In every sense. Robinson will remain in great danger. There is NO URGENCY in this blog.
Terry Gain says
Felix Quigley
Sensible people do not want the support of communists like you. And attacking Spencer is beyond the pale. It is like attacking Churchill during the Second World War.
Perhaps you could help us out and self-identify as an Islamist.
Felix Quigley says
Terry Gain
Sensible people do not want the support of communists like you. And attacking Spencer is beyond the pale. It is like attacking Churchill during the Second World War.
Perhaps you could help us out and self-identify as an Islamist.
Please do not make personal attacks. I disagree with people but not on a personal basis but a political basis. Also people I disagree with on issues of political strategy I often support them and acknowledge they do good work. You are so wrong about me. I look forward to the new book by Robert Spencer. Also he knows that.
But I will look at your points very carefully…
Sensible people do not want the support of communists like you.
…That smells of Joe McCarthy
And attacking Spencer is beyond the pale. It is like attacking Churchill during the Second World War.
…Your argument by using Churchill and World War 2 is false
Perhaps you could help us out and self-identify as an Islamist.
…Why would I identify as an Islamist? That is utterly mad. perhaps you cannot accept what people write is what they believe and your mind is totally mixed up by hatreds. In that way the discussion will be destroyed. I learned a long time ago that on the net where you by necessity do not KNOW anybody all you can go on is what they write.
gravenimage says
Oh, good lord–I see that Felix Quigley is now demanding that Parliament be destroyed–presumably so it can be replaced with a Communist dictatorship.
He is arguing for totalitarianism.
Johm says
Punch Teresa May in the face for putting Tommy in prision ! Dereliction of duty is what it is called. The government needs to be overthrown to get these stinking islamasts out of the country !
Felix Quigley says
I do not understand you. That is not the sense in which I raised the experience of Bernadette Devlin. One person in parliament is the programme as I see it of AMW and to me it is totally inadequate.
gravenimage says
Of course, all democracy and freedom is “inadequate” as Felix Quigley sees it.
Johm says
Clean Islam out of the US before its too late !
Felix Quigley says
We know and we agree. But I am beginning to repeat myself and so I will cease. The question is how?
Felix Quigley says
We have to also look at the right…I see this done rarely
take this
“Clearly, UKIP must not blindly follow the radical parties of Europe. Many are weak on the EU, many are firm socialists and many are so anti-Islam that they have become anti-Muslim, a territory that we must steer very clear of. But there is a key formula that we are failing to grasp, and that formula has a few different components.”
This is by a UKIP leader called Reece Coombes
I will repeat my position…the existence of mosques is the key issue. These countries are being conquered by the mosque.
But what is the mosque except the organization of Muslims in Jihad and the thing that is even more basic than the mosque is the presence of Muslims in the order of millions.
Do you agree or disagree? If you agree then that necessitates a major political fight to expose the position of this UKIP leader.
I am no expert on UKIP but I think Coombes is very typical.
UNCLE VLADDI says
As always, the world is divided into hard-working individualist Makers vs criminal gangster extortionist Takers.
Socialism is extortion.
Fascism is extortion.
Islam is extortion.
Perpetual extortion is slavery.
CAPISCE?
😉
Lazy self-hating victimology-spewing masochists always want to dilute the blame for their self-inflicted problems onto groups and gangs of other people.
Richard Courtemanche says
Citizens doing what must be done in lieu of political failure.