My latest in the Geller Report:
British politician Nigel Farage once helped convince Britons to vote for Brexit and separate from the European Union, but British establishment politicians have done everything they could to sabotage that vote since then. Now Farage has apparently decided that if he can’t beat them, he’ll join them — if not on Brexit, then in their stance of denial and appeasement regarding the global jihad threat.’
At a recent dinner of the UK Independence Party (UKIP), which he formerly headed, Farage said: “If dealing with Islamic fundamentalism becomes a battle between us and the entire religion, I’ll tell you the result: we’ll lose. We will simply lose….We absolutely have to get that Muslim majority living in many of our towns and cities on our side, more attuned to Western values than some pretty hardline interpretations of the Qur’an.”
Sure. Now how does Farage propose to do that? His warning against making the resistance to jihad a “battle between us and the entire religion” is odd. No sane person is saying that the West should go to war with the entire Islamic world. The likeliest interpretation of his statement is that he is saying that we must not speak about how jihadis find justification for their actions in the Qur’an and Sunnah, as that will alienate the “moderates.”
But if we don’t speak about such facts, how will we ever convince Muslims not to follow “hardline interpretations of the Qur’an”?
Another problem with Farage’s statement is that it manifests a remarkable ignorance of history. While he is deeply concerned that British people not begin to think that resisting jihad terror means that they are in a “battle” with the “entire religion” of Islam, he appears unaware of the fact that many Muslims throughout history have considered their entire religion to be at war with the entire non-Muslim world.
I document this abundantly in my new book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS. To take one of innumerable examples, Sharaf ad-Din Ali Yazdi, a fifteenth-century Persian who wrote a biography of the Mongol Muslim warrior Tamerlane, observed that “the Qur’an says the highest dignity man can attain is that of making war in person against the enemies of his religion. Muhammad advises the same thing, according to the tradition of the Muslim doctors: wherefore the great Temur always strove to exterminate the infidels, as much to acquire that glory, as to signalise himself by the greatness of his conquests.”
After conquest came dhimmitude, the subjugated status that the Qur’an mandates for “the People of the Book” (primarily Jews and Christians). In the early twelfth century, the Fatimid caliph Al-Amir bi-Ahkamillah issued this edict:
Now, the prior degradation of the infidels in this world before the life to come—where it is their lot—is considered an act of piety; and the imposition of their poll tax [jizya], “until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled” (Koran 9:29) is a divinely ordained obligation….The dhimmi’s payment of his dues by a bill drawn on a Muslim, or by delegating a real believer to pay it in his name will not be tolerated. It must be exacted from him directly in order to vilify and humiliate him, so that Islam and its people may be exalted and the race of infidels brought low. The jizya is to be imposed on all of them in full, without exception.
Underlying this subjugation is a deep contempt for non-Muslims. In the year 718, the Umayyad caliph Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz sent out a message to the governors of the various Islamic provinces:
O you who believe! The non-Muslims are nothing but dirt. Allah has created them to be partisans of Satan; most treacherous in regard to all they do; whose whole endeavor in this nether life is useless, though they themselves imagine that they are doing fine work. Upon them rests the curse of Allah, of the Angels and of man collectively
We must not think that we are at war with the entire religion. But what, Mr. Farage, are we to think about the Muslims who consider themselves and their religion to be at war with us?
Nigel Farage has become just another mainstream hack politician.
Eur says
We are not at war with Islam is Islam that is at war with the rest of mankind.
mortimer says
Disagree. We are in an IDEOLOGICAL WAR with Islam. Islam is a dangerous, absurd, irrational ideology.
WESTPAC Spy says
We are in more than an ideological war, my friend, and have been my entire adult life. The Iranians don’t shout “Death to America” every Friday just for the exercise. Ask any American who has lost a limb to an Iranian IED.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3572/islam-apostasy-death
“If They [Muslims] Had Gotten Rid of the Punishment for Apostasy, Islam Would Not Exist Today”
Yusuf al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and given his show on al Jazeera probably the most influential cleric in the entire Islamic world.
Can anyone tell me why we should be afraid of an ideology posing as a religion that can only keep its “flock” together at the point of a sword? Because that’s really what we’re talking about. I forget the exact verbage, but the Islamic perspective is that only the sword makes people good. And that’s directed at the Ummah.
Of the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today, millions of them wake up every morning wishing they had some way out of it. Qaradawi knows it and says so openly. Why don’t we know it?
Hari Singh says
Westerners by and large think rationally, scientifically and secularly which to Muslim logic is atheism and kuffar-the covering up of the reality of Allah and his enforcer the prophet Muhammad and his minions the Mohammedans.
Elisha says
Hari, you are wrong. Secular humanists holding to scientific materialism CANNOT account for things such as morality and logic in their worldview without going outside that worldview and borrowing these things from the God of the Holy Bible they claim doesn’t exist. The philosophical delusion of Darwinism is the exact reason the West is in such a mess. Just as the Israelites rejected and rebelled against God’s truth, the West is experiencing the same punishment:
“I will make justice the measuring line
And righteousness the level;
Then hail will sweep away the refuge of lies
And the waters will overflow the secret place.
Your covenant with death will be canceled,
And your pact with Sheol will not stand;
When the overwhelming scourge passes through,
Then you become its trampling place.
As often as it passes through, it will seize you;
For morning after morning it will pass through, anytime during the day or night,
And it will be sheer terror to understand what it means.” – Isaiah 28:17-19
“You only have I chosen among all the families of the earth; Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.” – Amos 3:2
God bless.
IanB says
Exactly right Hari.
Laura says
Well spotted Sherlock.
IanB says
“Elementary my dear …”
Richard says
Unfortunately, that is the case, Jay Boo. The “word games” are quite understandable, but they are killing us, both figuratively and literally. The Muslims look upon it as a religiously required war. We look on it as a few (million) nuts who happen to by Muslims and need our help and understanding. If we fight that way, we can never win. If we fought an actual war, (at this point in history, before the Muslims have acquired superior atomic weapons) the Muslims would not stand a chance. You don’t fight a war half way. You hit the enemy with everything you have. In the long run, that saves lives: both yours and theirs. If the Muslims are not our enemies, where in the world do all the ghastly stories on this web site come from? George Patton would be having a fit.
mortimer says
The only way for Muslims to adopt Western values (the Golden Rule and critical thought) is if they leave Islam entirely, because Islam opposes the Golden Rule and critical thought.
Islam instead uses the Mob Rule (don’t do bad things to members of our club, but it’s fine to abuse non-members) and authoritiarian thought (believe this, because we will lock you up and beat the tar out of you if you don’t say you believe it).
Muslims cannot accept ‘Western values’ until they leave Islam. Otherwise, they are only pretending to go along. If Islam is divinely inspired (which I refute), then Muslims are REQUIRED to reject ‘Western values’ and impose their own on the West.
What does Farage not understand about AL WALAA WAL BARAA? I would say, Farage has NO understanding of AL WALAA WAL BARAA whatsoever.
Without a clear study of AL WALAA WAL BARAA, you, dear reader, CANNOT FATHOM ISLAM. Kindly, don’t be lazy. Start reading about W-B now.
Billy Chickens says
Islam is supernaturally inspired, not by God (which is divine inspiration) but by Lucifer. One HAS to believe in God in order to get that Islam is God’s opposite.
Being welcoming to Islam is being welcoming to Lucifer, which Our Lord told us not to do. Never welcome evil. He told us to ban evil from our lives. Make it stay apart from us. Have nothing to do with it.
No human person can make a deal with the devil and get a fair deal. Once welcomed into a life, he will destroy. Six hundred years after Christ’s death Christianity was converting almost all the known world. Then along came Islam, Lucifer’s plan to stop Christianity, kill all Christians and Jews, and conquer the world for his own purposes – to fill Hell with souls for himself.
The battle between good and evil has played out for 1400 years before our eyes and is doing so right now. What? You thought it was merely “all that stuff in the Bible”? “Just stories to make us behave”? Or that you are smarter than people who lived long ago? Nope…not that either because human nature never changes.
The only solution to Islam and Muslims is to convert them or quarantine Islam in Saudi Arabia from whence it came and make them stay there. We have to be stronger than they are, which is why “welcoming” and appeasement attitudes – both signs of weakness – do not work.
Christians need to love God, not Lucifer.
IanB says
“One HAS to believe in God in order to get that Islam is God’s opposite”
NO! ONE DOES NOT.
Taking all mumbo-jumbo out of the argument I will say that Islam is the opposite of all that is benevolent, honorable, ethical and virtuous.
gravenimage says
True, Ian. There are non-Christians who recognize that Islam is evil.
Richard says
The main point is with Islam we are dealing with people who live in an entirely different reality. No, it is not real, but it is real to them and unless (God forbid!) we accept it, we can never really understand either it or them. Everything they do is guided by that. To attempt to reason with them is to try reasoning with a lion who is leaping on you as his intended dinner. Most are content with their lifestyle because it is all they know. By rule of their religion, all their friends and associates believe as they do, for to believe otherwise would be to consider ones self crazy. But why try to psychoanalyze these people? The point is, they are coming to get us with anything lethal they can find. Our choices are simple: fight or flight.
rich says
farage has no grasp on reality. islam can and should be destroyed. we have the means but not the will. muslims must be deported from all countries and the most dangerous nations rendered impotent. they must be isolated and allowed to die, if they give more trouble give them more devastation.
islam will not reform itself, they have had centuries and haven’t done it.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. That’s the only answer. Muslims must be deported from all free, civilized nations. No matter what it takes, that solution will prove to be cheap compared to what it will cost us in lives & money (not to mention freedom and civilization itself), if we allow them to stay and continue their Demographic Jihad.
They all must be returned to Muslim-majority countries. Then those countries must be isolated, and permanently defunded, via the development of alternative energy sources such as hydrogen fuel cell technology, and solar & wind power.
Keep them isolated, and if they attack non-Muslim nations, hit them hard and fast, then come home. No more stupid attempts at nation-building. No more trillions of dollars, plus American and European lives, wasted on protracted wars with Muslim savages.
Islam does not play well with others. It does not belong in the civilized world. It must be removed. And the sooner, the better, in terms of lives & money saved — and in terms of guaranteeing a good outcome.
germlisch says
You have my vote!
Richard says
Brilliantly put!
Wayne says
Agreed, you can’t mix water with oil.
Linda says
I’m not so sure about Farage. He could have stayed in the Conservative party for the chance at being prime minister, but he resigned saying that he wanted his life back. Now he’s leading the UKIP party and saying disparaging things about Anne Marie Waters. Maybe he just likes the publicity.
Coach Martin says
We are all being naive.
Christians are at war with the United Nations. The UN is replacing Christian values with imorality. So unless we go back to Christian values, we will continue to lose. We are in the days of Noah but we are too busy taking selfies and popping Viagra.
The UN are the useful idiots for Islam. You wil find a more complete description in Revelation 13.
There is a way out. Return to God and stop the indoctrination of our children. That means leveling all the mosques in the world. That was also a command given by God to Israel. Because we will not do this, we will perish like the Jews.
Islam thinks it has already won. They are right.
Savvy Kafir says
Coach Martin, Islam has NOT already won. Some of us plan to fight back, for as long as it takes, no matter what it takes — rather than waiting for Biblical prophecies to be fulfilled via divine intervention. That is, some of us actually HAVE a plan.
Fighting superstition-besotted Muslims with another brand of superstition is not a winning strategy.
Tony Holland says
Correct!,of course they have not already won,look around you at the rise and rise of PATRIOTISM throughout Europe including even the laggardly UK,–the wonderful GI spreading throughout the youth of Europe where we are numbered in our hundreds of millions of Christian followers,even though most are lapsed,they,the subhumans, are small in number by comparison.Once the growing trend of ‘rightwing’ (totally inaccurate description) politicians become dominant,–and they will believe me,–they will form governments that will become increasingly intolerant of mussie influence and rhetoric, measures will be put in place to discourage islamic activity,mosques will be shut down,halal will be forbidden dissent will be met with armed force,deportation will become the norm.No,all you nay sayers,our future is very much in our favour,do you honestly think that centuries of enlightenment throughout our wonderful continent will be relinquished to a bunch of medieval cultists,NO,we will survive have absolutely no doubt about that.
Frank Anderson says
T.H. having been the target of the “right wing” label in an extreme liberal group, please allow me to remind us the right and left wing labels were originated arguably by Josef Stalin. At his time “right” signified anyone who opposed Communism, including Nazis. The only difference between National Socialism and Communism, is that Communism is International Socialism controlled from (then) Moscow, while Nazism was controlled from Berlin. See, Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg.
Now, anyone who opposes borderless, faceless, unelected government is “right”. The whole concept of totalitarian government, by whatever name is that I am an idiot, and the leaders need to save me from my stupidity. I find that attitude highly objectionable. I also believe that allowing totalitarians, by any label, to be in charge is suicidal for the individual and society. I suggest the movie Logan’s Run, with Michael York, as a vivid illustration of the ultimate goals of socialism.
Coach Martin says
Whether we have lost or not makes no difference to me. I’m glad you have a plan. I hope that the plan includes God and the love of all Christians.
IanB says
A good plan would definitely include love of Christians – and of Jews and Hindus and Sikhs and Jains and Buddhists and pantheists and agnostics and atheists, indeed of all those of any benevolent faith or of no supernatural belief.
Do you not agree Coach Martin?
gravenimage says
Agreed, Ian.
Bxgirl says
Of course it’s a total ideological war that informs us of the need to discern re the immigrants we allow and get rid of illegals. I think the most effective way to maintain our Western values is to comprehensively enforce the laws that reflect them such as not blocking streets, making noise, not allowing bigamy, protecting freedom of speech, not allowing incitement and arresting those who are incited too easily. We seem to have the laws. Let’s enforce them.
Savvy Kafir says
Bxgirl — Enforcing our existing laws might maintain civilized societies in the short term; but if we allow Muslims to remain in the West and continue their Demographic Jihad, eventually they will out-breed us. (A trajectory they are already on; and a plan some of them openly admit.)
Once Muslims become the majority in our own countries, they will do whatever they damn-well please. They will pass new laws based upon Sharia. And the civilized world will cease to be civilized.
Muslims cannot remain in the West. Deporting them (all) is the only solution that will actually work, in the long run.
Richard says
Bravo,! You are indeed Savvy, Kafir. We are already seeing it. That is why the Spanish expelled all the muslims from their country. In war, they would be the third column, as the Mafia worked in Sicily to assist our troops by destroying the German and Italian military infrastructure, communications, supply, etc. What damage could a single Muslim in our Defense department do? But they don’t need to. Let them get into the government and the police, as they have in Britain and we would have a nightmare on our hands. We see the British themselves do NOT want to go along with coddling the muslim monsters among them, but their government is bent upon appeasing them, as Nevil Chamberlain did Adolph Hitler. We saw how well that worked out.
Tom says
I usually agree with Nigel but in this instance I have to disagree.
The Islamists are well entrenched within our countries and ready to act as a guerrilla force. Add to this the progressive left wing fools who are a legion of fifth column traitors, and YES, we do have a substantial internal problem, but one that is NOT insurmountable with the right people in positions of power in our government, police and armed forces.
The region where the vast majority of muslims reside, the middle east, is now, and always has been, in turmoil due to Islam and its various Shia and Sunni sectarian struggles.
They aren’t even able to unite for long enough to try and destroy their greatest enemy in the region, Israel.
So, our biggest threat from Islam is from those already entrenched in our countries and the traitors who support and appease them.
The wind of political change is blowing in Europe and people are awakening to the threat of Islam and the leftist appeasers within our midst, and once this change is completed we will deal with the threat appropriately and bring our countries back to the secular democracies we previously had.
Nigel is just plain wrong on this one.
Savvy Kafir says
I agree, Tom. Islam in the West is the main threat we need to deal with. (But Muslims with nukes, anywhere, is also a serious concern.)
And I agree that the winds are beginning to change, and more people are waking up in Europe, in the U.S., & elsewhere. There are even a few people on the political left (myself included) who are very much aware of the threat Islam poses, and who are determined to resist its spread — Islam-savvy progressives who are willing to take on the politically correct snowflakes & SJWs of the Regressive Left.
Nigel Farage is definitely wrong on this issue.
Savvy Kafir says
Nigel Farage is a self-serving coward and an idiot. And he’s wrong about the war between Islam and the West. He obviously doesn’t realize that MANY of us are willing to fight back, in any venue the enemy chooses — whether with words, laws, or bullets.
Some of us will never stop fighting back, as long as Islam remains in the West, or we continue to draw breath.
Steve says
Farage was finally beaten down by the leftists, and gave up on his own principles for popularity.
dunroamin says
“!No sane person is saying that the West should go to war with the entire Islamic world.”
On the contrary, sane people with a clear vision are saying exactly that. The world will never know peace until the accursed religion is exterminated, and every copy of their bloody Koran is burnt.
thesailor says
Yes. When the world is threatened by a deadly global disease, the world bands together to destroy it. I see no difference here. The notion that Islam can turn itself into something else is like expecting bubonic plague to suddenly turn into a sore thumb..
However, as noted elsewhere, very many brainwashed Muslims, who actually have no idea of what it is they are supposed to be a part of, could very easily turn themselves back into humans if the all-pervasive, brainwashing and bullying they get from the Imams in the mosques every minute of their lives were removed.
We can destroy Islam simply by banning it, deporting the Imams and tearing down the mosques. There is no need to ship out millions of Muslims. They can be left simply to die out, and we must meanwhile teach their children the values, and the benefits of the West. Then they can genuinely integrate with society.
Granddaddy says
“Nigel Farage has become just another mainstream hack politician.” I used to admire the guy too. But it’s not just what he says, it’s the reliance these sort of sophists make on the people’s ignorance and cowardice, like we’re all just like them:
“If dealing with Islamic fundamentalism becomes a battle between us and the entire religion, I’ll tell you the result: we’ll lose.” This may be true or not, but the fact is Islam is at war with us and has been at war with us for the last 1400 years, whether we want to admit it or not. This is confirmed by history. So what choice do we have? Become ignorant, brainwashed, grovelling, lying, raping, hating, murderous slaves like the rest of Muhammad’s “best of people”? Some people I think would actually like that. But the truth is, even that won’t do. The Quran tells the Muslim to kill the hypocrite also (4:88-89). So when they run out of non-Muslims to kill, they’ll start on the “bad” Muslims. And who is so “good” at anything that he’s not “bad” in someone else’s opinion somewhere? So according to their own logic (which they have proven to the World now over 32,000 times since 9/11 that they are more than willing to do), it will never end until everyone in the World is dead.
So if we don’t fight, what is the alternative?
Savvy Kafir says
Our only choice is to fight — until the West is Muslim-free and the Muslim world is no longer a major threat.
Carol the 1st says
It’s probably our time to “take the bull by the horns”. Our generation still has objectivity, sound values, and much unleashed power – plus younger minds are awakening. Meanwhile Islam and globalists have quite clearly shown their “true colors”. So keep pushing back steadily and whenever you can.
TWG says
Typical politician. Say and do anything just to get the votes. He’s a sellout.
This is precisely why politicians are so widely despised.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. The only politicians I really admire these days are Anne Marie Waters and Geert Wilders — people of principle & conviction, who are dedicated to an important cause.
Those two “far-right” politicians are the only ones who can generate any enthusiasm from this tree-hugging progressive.
Molly Brown says
Vote for Ann Marie Waters! She left the UKIP because Nigel and company did not like her views on Islam and the two sets of laws being enforced – one for indigenous Britain citizens and another for Muslims.
https://youtu.be/qDgIccx_5qI
Just this week a Muslim man was giving a reduced sentence for hitting a police officer with a cane. Tommy got placed in a maximum security prison for filming members of grooming gangs. The injustice of it all. Muslims are allowed to pray openly in Royal parks even though existing laws prohibit people from religious activities. Again a different set of laws at play. It further divides people into Us and Them categories.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… Nigel Farage has become just another mainstream hack politician…”
Perhaps. I wonder if the current problem with Nigel is that he has only recently begun to turn over the issues with regards to militancy within Islam and it’s roots. The Brexit vote got over the line because of widespread concern about Britain’s loss of control over it’s borders and the tensions ramped up by the large influx of new migrants and asylum seekers overwhelmingly from Islamic backgrounds. Nigel seems to have been taken over by events and changing social attitudes and has missed the bus. His best strategy now would probably be to withdraw from public life for a year and to use that precious time to immerse himself in reading and mulling over the nature of Islam instead of falling into the trap of arguing for the curtailment of plain speech in his home country.
Lydia Church says
If you stand for Jesus, you can never lose, no matter what!
Frank Anderson says
I suggest the most important point of the article and the discussion is that Farage and people who agree with his view lack the understanding that islam has been at war with the entire non-muslim world for about 1400 years. The United States did not agree to go to war against Japan before Japan attacked. The UK and France did not agree with Germany to go to war when Germany attacked Poland. The Soviet Union certainly did not agree to go to war with Germany when it was attacked. What makes anyone think that it takes TWO parties in agreement to have a war where thousands, millions, tens of millions, and in Islam’s case, hundreds of millions killed? Does anyone have to agree to permit a terrorist murder before the killing starts? This version of stupidity, which some may gloss over as naivete, is mind-bending, and indicates incredible failure of intellect. I believe most of the people who read and write here are much smarter and more aware than that.
MoInTheKnow says
Nigel has lost the plot.
I have now joined Anne Marie Walters and the ‘For Britain’ party.
That seems the only political party that is willing and able to debate the creed of islam.
Carl Goldberg, PhD says
Farage, like so many people who aree basically on our side, are confused by the misuse of language. Farage is conflating “the entire religion” to mean “all Muslims”. This is false and very misleading. The “entire religion” really refers to Islam, the belief system; and, we certainly should be at war with it because it commands Moslems to make war on us. We should be at war with Islam, the religion, just like we were at war with Nazism. We do not have to be at war with “all Muslims” because many Moslems, just like many Germans of 80 years ago, did not support Nazism. As Bosch Fawstin so aptly put it: we are not talking about all Muslims. We are talking about all Muslims who take Islam seriously. The reason it is so important to focus on Islam, the religion, is that Islam, with all its jihadist commands, is taught and preached in every mosque to one degree or other. Ultimately, the fight against Islam must lead us to the mosques which propagate Islam. If we fail to identify the enemy, which is “the entire religion”, though not necessarily the entire Moslem community, we will lose.
UNCLE VLADDI says
He does seem to have gone insane.
Polonium in his drinking water?