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UK Lord asks if mosques will be monitored for “hate speech,” is threatened with “hate speech” prosecution for asking

Jun 29, 2018 12:00 pm By Robert Spencer

A chronicle of a society in its death throes: Lord Pearson asks if “Her Majesty’s Government whether, in pursuit of their anti-terrorism strategy,” will “require preaching in mosques and teaching in madrassas in England and Wales to be monitored for hate speech against non-Muslims.”

In response, the Muslim Baroness Warsi issues a warning: “I shall be really careful how I phrase this with reference to the original Question. Could I ask Her Majesty’s Government whether, in pursuit of their ​antiterrorism strategy, they will require preaching in the form of Oral Questions and debate in your Lordships’ House to be monitored for hate speech and Islamophobia against Muslims?”

So the question of whether the government will monitor the mosques for “hate speech” is thrust aside, and Pearson is threatened for his “Islamophobia.” Everyone present except for Lord Pearson appears to assume that all the mosques in the UK teach peace and brotherhood, and that this should not be questioned. It would be “indiscreet” to question it, as Lord Bourne says: “I agree with [Baroness Warsi] about the importance of people in this House exercising discretion—of course, within the bounds of free speech—about what they say.”

Within the bounds of free speech? Free speech properly understood has no bounds except actual incitement to violence and approval of criminal activity. If questions cannot even be asked about actual and serious national security issues, then there is no freedom of speech in Britain, and as a free society, it is finished.

“Anti-terrorism: Hate Speech,” Parliament.uk, June 27, 2018 (thanks to O.):

Question
3.06 pm
Asked by
Lord Pearson of Rannoch

To ask Her Majesty’s Government whether, in pursuit of their anti-terrorism strategy, they will require preaching in mosques and teaching in madrassas in England and Wales to be monitored for hate speech against non-Muslims.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government and Wales Office (Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth) (Con)

My Lords, it is just a year since the Finsbury Park terror attack on the mosque, and I am reminded how the Muslim community acted then—with dignity, determination and compassion—as no doubt the noble Lord is also so reminded. Our Government are clear on our strong objective to tackle hate crime. Free speech and freedom of belief are fundamental principles of our society. The Government have no plans to require monitoring of preaching in mosques or in any other faith institution.

Lord Pearson of Rannoch (UKIP)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for that reply, but I fear that it underestimates the problem because the Government must know that hatred of us kuffar is central to radical Islam, that it is being taught in our mosques and madrassas, and that their own Behavioural Insights Team has said that their present policies are failing. Should not the Government get real by requiring all such teaching to be in English, as soon as possible, and by insisting on far greater collaboration from our peaceful Muslim friends in the meantime? After all, they know what is going on. And will the Government please stop using the word “Islamophobia”, because it is surely reasonable and not at all phobic to fear the world’s most violent ideology, from which indeed most hate speech now comes?

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

My Lords, first, the Government are committed to tackling Islamophobia. Secondly, perhaps I could tell the noble Lord of two recent visits I have made in relation to faith institutions. One was to a mosque in Manchester: an excellent mosque in Gorton, where Jews and Christians were welcomed for a great iftar. It was a true expression of British Muslim activity. Similarly, the previous day I visited the Manchester Islamic High School for Girls, where the opening words from the headmistress were on how proud she was to be British—but she was also proud to be Muslim.

Baroness Warsi (Con)

My Lords, I do not like to read, but I shall be really careful how I phrase this with reference to the original Question. Could I ask Her Majesty’s Government whether, in pursuit of their ​antiterrorism strategy, they will require preaching in the form of Oral Questions and debate in your Lordships’ House to be monitored for hate speech and Islamophobia against Muslims? Does the Minister agree that Tommy Robinson, who has, to much disgust, been hosted in your Lordships’ House for tea and lunch but is now serving time in, I believe, Her Majesty’s Prison Hull, is now in a more appropriate place for someone who thinks, speaks, preaches and conducts himself as he does?

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

My Lords, my noble friend makes some powerful points, and I pay tribute to what she does in this regard. First, I agree with her about the importance of people in this House exercising discretion—of course, within the bounds of free speech—about what they say. Secondly, I am aware that Tommy Robinson is in Her Majesty’s Prison Hull, and I was aware that he was hosted here recently. I was recently in Hull myself, not on prison visits but on faith visits….

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  1. Dec Uman says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Domestic Human Rights is now dead in UK, when a person is attacked for Hate speech when asking for an investigation into Islamic teaching

    • mortimer says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 1:39 pm

      Support Lord Pearson:

      Parliamentary
      House of Lords, London, SW1A 0PW
      Tel: 020 7219 5353
      Fax: 020 7219 5979
      Email: contactholmember@parliament.uk

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 29, 2018 at 8:32 pm

        Thanks, Mortimer.

        • Andy says

          Jun 29, 2018 at 10:41 pm

          Thanks Mort, for the info

          The Plot to Flood Europe with 200 Million

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah39fA6q2zU

          White Brits To Become Minority In Birmingham

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Jun 30, 2018 at 4:50 am

        Thank you.

        I just fired off an email expressing support.

      • Anne Smith says

        Jun 30, 2018 at 6:01 am

        Yes, he needs all the support he can get.

        He is a very brave man who is subject to enormous pressure from within the House of Lords (or as most of us call it these days, the House of Traitors) because there are many Muslims who have been elevated to the House of Lords (donors to political parties in the main) and the House is a very Islamophiliac place.

        Lord Pearson has an erudite and comprehensive understanding of Islam, far more than nearly everyone else in Parliament and is under no illusions about its ultimate aims. He is also a great deal brighter than most in Parliament – Margaret Thatcher put him there as she knew he was an excellent businessman and great brain – and he is in addition an absolutely charming and delightful man, unlike the unpleasant and sour “Lady” Warsi.

      • OmarT says

        Jun 30, 2018 at 1:24 pm

        People of the England and the British Isles. We the people of the USA are proud of our histories together and our freedoms we enjoy. It sounds like freedom is waning in your great country. Please come to the US and help us defend against the immigrant scourge that has overtaken your country. You will be welcome here, we see freedom and human rights the same. Help us stop this invasion.

    • John Appleby says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 3:55 am

      Investigation to islam show on UK TV

    • BC says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 10:51 am

      I think Warsi is an embarrassment to the govt. How she became a peer I do not know, no doubt for political services of some kind. By contrast Thatcher whom BTW I despised became a peer only after long service as a leading politician and Prime Minister

    • Lydia Church says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 7:52 pm

      UK
      R.I.P.

    • Tom says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 9:10 pm

      Flush the UK down the toilet…it is finished!!

      Canada is soon to follow….

      • Kerry says

        Jul 2, 2018 at 6:39 pm

        Not as long as I draw breath, my friend! There are many that think as I do in Canada and we are NOT going to allow this to happen! A little over a year from now is our next federal election and this so called “liberal” gov’t will be kicked to the curb! Canadians are a peaceful people..but, keep in mind, we don’t start wars…we end them!

  2. Buraq says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    The clown, Baroness Warsi in the House of Lords, the clown, Sajid Javid is running the Home Office and the clown, Sadiq Khan is the Mayor of London.

    Islam’s aim of taking over and imposing Shariah is in full swing in Britain. Not long now!

    • revereridesagain says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 12:40 pm

      Clowns as in Stephen King’s “IT”. Nightmares spawned by the clownish, lethal religious ideology of Islam. Britain is dead if there aren’t enough people left to stand up to a threat like this.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 8:48 pm

      Yes–“Baroness” Warsi is a grotesque travesty.

      • Anne Smith says

        Jun 30, 2018 at 6:04 am

        She was a mediocre lawyer who could not get herself elected as an MP and who was then elevated to the House of Lords by the foolish David Cameron as he wanted to show the Muslims how pro Muslim he was and get their vote.

        She has been nothing but a complete bore since , sour when interviewed and nasty to most other people and was kicked out of the Government quite quickly as she turned out to be a (foreseeable) disaster.

        • Paul Mckenna says

          Jun 30, 2018 at 7:14 am

          She was a screamer who wanted to bully civil servants to obey her will. Well they were kaffirs…

          Thats why she got the boot. Plus she was a useless publicity seeking bitch.

          And she doesn’t understand Parliamentary privilege where within the palace of Westminster you can say what you like.

          Paul

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 1, 2018 at 11:10 pm

          Yes–gross.

  3. Rarely says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    Maybe Canada will pass a law against islamophobia so I can stop fearing the muslim onslaught. In fact I would be forced to give up my fear.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 12:47 pm

      Yes, maybe they will pass a law against being afraid of Islam so it will stop people from being afraid of it. Better yet, maybe they will pass a law making it a crime not to love Islam and if you don’t show your love for Islam the penalty will be either death or a payment to the Muslims (in whatever form or amount they decide is sufficient) to compensate them for the emotional damage done to them by not being loved. That seems fair, doesn’t it?

  4. Sog says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    The basic mistake is not to embrace and extend the definition of Islamophobia. Lord “what’s his face” should have wondered if Mosques would be monitored for “islamophobia” not hate speech. The Islamophobia definition needs to be extended to include the Islamophobia emanating from Islam itself, and not limited to Islamophobias seen as directed toward Moslems. Islam was *founded* in Islamophobia, and has Islamophobia at it’s core, and everyone knows it. That’s why it has been co-opted by those that benefit from Islam, against those seen as dimmi from whom Islam is to gain wealth. Robert Spencer: Why don’t you embrace the term “Islamophobia”? It would be very useful to do so.

    • steveA56 says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 7:19 am

      That’s brilliant Sog!
      I’m surprised they haven’t already implemented that idea.

      If you go to the Hansard link you will see a later comment from a ‘Baroness Afshar’, which goes like this:-

      “My Lords, as a teacher of Islamic law, I should like to make a correction. Islam accepts all religions that preceded it—all religions of the book are accepted and respected. This is a Koranic teaching; therefore, there is no time or respect for anyone who demonises any religion, and that should include Islam as well.”

      So that’s alright then.

      • steveA56 says

        Jun 30, 2018 at 7:26 am

        That’s brilliant Sog!

        If you go to the Hansard link you will see a later comment from a ‘Baroness Afshar’, which goes like this:-

        “My Lords, as a teacher of Islamic law, I should like to make a correction. Islam accepts all religions that preceded it—all religions of the book are accepted and respected. This is a Koranic teaching; therefore, there is no time or respect for anyone who demonises any religion, and that should include Islam as well.”

        So that’s alright then.

      • Michael Copeland says

        Jul 1, 2018 at 5:44 am

        ” And whoever desires other than Islam as religion – never will it be accepted from him…”

        Koran 3:85, part of Islamic law.

  5. Voytek Gagalka says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    In old good days there was at least parliamentary freedom of speech under which all members of parliament enjoyed protection, no matter what they said INSIDE. So what will be next in not so “great” Britain? Prohibition to criticize the prime minister? (They can’t say anything bad about the Queen already.)

  6. mortimer says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    LORD PEARSON IS CORRECT. MOSQUES DO PREACH HATRED FROM THE PAGES OF THE KORAN, HADITHS, SIRA, CANONICAL COMMENTARIES and from DISCRIMINATORY SHARIA LAW MANUALS in the MOSQUE SERMONS.

    Over 60% of the Koran is bigoted hate speech directed against the dirty KUFAAR … disbelievers who say Mohammed is not a valid prophet, but a false prophet.

    The Koran says non-Muslims may be enslaved, raped, slaughtered, murdered, crucified, evicted or exiled, and their goods and property seized and their money extorted ONLY because they do not accept that Mohammed is a valid prophet.

    Islam’s bigoted ideology is a contradiction of ALL modern human rights codes. Sharia law is intrinsically discriminatory and authoritarian.

    Islam removes the human rights and civil liberties of women and kafirs.

    • Brian hoff says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 8:19 pm

      Mosque in america donot teach this. It right 1400 uear old. Read the old test the father of the jew and moslim was marry to 3 woman at the same time. There is than lot of hateful and criminal act done jew in the old Testament.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 1, 2018 at 11:54 pm

        What is “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–babbling about? Of course Mosques in America teach this. Is he saying that they reject orthodox Islam and the model of the “Prophet”? What tripe.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jul 1, 2018 at 5:46 am

      “…between us and you enmity and hatred forever…”

      Koran 60:4, part of Islamic law

  7. Voytek Gagalka says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    In old good days there was at least parliamentary freedom of speech under which all members of parliament enjoyed protection, no matter what they said INSIDE of the House. So what will be next in not so “great” Britain? Prohibition to criticize the prime minister? (They can’t say anything bad about the Queen already.)

  8. mortimer says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    PHOBIA of ISLAM is REQUIRED BY ALLAH … “TURHIBUNNA” (terrorise them) – Koran 8.60

  9. Westman says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    Baroness Warsi: “Does the Minister agree that Tommy Robinson, who has, to much disgust, been hosted in your Lordships’ House for tea and lunch but is now serving time in, I believe, Her Majesty’s Prison Hull, is now in a more appropriate place for someone who thinks, speaks, preaches and conducts himself as he does?”

    Any Brit, “Lord” or “commoner”, who ascribes to the above statement is a participant in the creation of a Police State whose goal is the extinguishing of British Ethnicity and its sovereignty.

    Tony Robinson will be remembered long after “Baroness” Warsi has been forgotten and either Islam or the “commoners” have stripped her line of privilege and deference. The snooty attitude she displays is the death nell for the monarchy and aristocrats as governors of the people. If the Islamists manage to take over Britain, kiss all “titles” goodbye, “baroness”. And if such a tragedy occurs, don’t lose your head over it.

    Robinson tried to save you but the lure and perks of power have made you blind to the reality outside your “class” and your inability to remain insulated from the Islamic aggression that is coming for you.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 8:59 pm

      +1

    • Anne Smith says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 6:09 am

      “Baroness” Warsi is not an aristocrat but a Muslim nonentity who was elevated to the House of Lords in a political move by David Cameron who was angling for the Muslim vote.
      She speaks English with a ghastly local accent and is as far removed from being an aristocrat as you can imagine. She has absolutely no class.

  10. Rufluc says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    Islamic deception at its best and most evil!

    It clearly has managed to dupe the mind of ‘Lord Bourne’ who is no doubt a liberal with lefist beliefs, so he will of course be easy prey to the insidious duplicity of the Muslims that are infiltrating the corridors of power around him, which of course includes Baroness Warsi.

    If he were to study Islam and learn about its prime evil intention of dominating the world by ridding the Earth of all non Muslims, he may then begin to understand that what he perceives as harmless is indeed a threat to us all.

    By way of deceipt, Muslims are able to spin their lies as the ‘truth’, and by doing so, they are then able to slowly take over our establishments, our towns and our cities as they clearly are doing. They seek positions of power like mayorships in many of our cities so as to take control of the police and the huge budgets that are required to run our towns and cities, and then covertly diverting monies to Muslim causes. Sadiq Khan has control of £17 billion for London, which is a huge sum of money.

    The liberal left are fools, and their widespread belief of ‘all things not British must be good’, is truly an expose of the fools paradise that they live in.

    Lord Pearson is the only man of integrity in the Lords, and he must be supported and guarded at all costs. Without people like him the country is lost.

    • Anne Smith says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 6:11 am

      Lord Pearson exemplifies everything that is traditionally good and respected about the British. You could not meet a more charming and civil man.

  11. mortimer says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    ISLAM HAS A DOCTRINE OF HATE: ‘AL BARAA’ = Islamic Apartheid, Shunning

    Quote: – “As a Muslim, I must have hatred for anything non-Islam” – Anjem Choudary.

    ‘Baraa’ is HATRED towards Kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’…Al Bughoud or Al Mu’adaat (hatred) is the opposite of Al Muwalaat (love towards Muslims). Baraa is:
    – To Hate
    – To keep distance from
    – To be enemy to
    – To desert
    – To decline to help
    – To disrespect
    – To put down
    – Not to ally with
    – Not to support

    Allah ordered Muslims to have Baraa (to be cleansed) from the dirty kufaar and from kufr and shirk.

    -Imam Abdul-Latif ibn Abdur-Rahman Rahimullah said, “It is not possible for someone to realize Tawheed (Islamic faith) and act upon it, and yet not be HOSTILE against the mushrikeen (i.e. wrong worshippers). So anyone who isn’t HOSTILE against the mushrikeen, then it cannot be said that he acts upon Tawheed nor that he realizes it.” [ad-Durar as-Saniyyah 8/167]

    -“The doctrine of al Walaa wal Baraa is the REAL IMAGE for the actual practice of this faith.” – source “Al Walaa wal Baraa According to the Aqeedah of the Salaf”, by Sheikh Muhammad Saeed al Qatani, authoritative Saudi Sharia lawyer and imam at the Abu Bakr and Al Furqan Mosques in Mecca. – https://islamfuture.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/al-wala-wal-bara-according-to-the-aqeedah-of-the-salaf-parts-123/

    -Shaykh Ahmad ibn ‘Atiq said:
    “There isn’t in the Book of Allah the Exalted – after the issue concerning the obligation of tawheed and the forbiddance of its opposite (kufr=wrong belief)- any issue which has as so many proofs, nor so clearly explained, than the issue of al-walaa’ and al-baraa’.” (W-B is ‘Islamic apartheid’)

    Examples of al-Baraa from historic figures:

    – from Sufi scholar Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624): “The honour of Islam lies in INSULTING kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to HUMILIATE them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain TERRIFIED and TREMBLING. It is intended to hold them under CONTEMPT and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”

    – from ibn Taymiyya, “Book of Emaan”: “… true believers show ANIMOSITY and HATRED towards disbelievers and NEVER support them.”

    – from Umar Sulayman ‘Abd-Allaah al-Ashqar, “Belief in Allah”: “The Muslim should regard the Kuffaar as ENEMIES and HATE them because of their kufr (wrong belief), just as he hates their kufr (disbelief) itself.”

    – from [Chap.iv] “The Islaamic Concept of al-Walaa’ wal-Baraa’” by Khalid El-Gharib: “… to SHOW ENMITY to those who show enmity to Allaah and His Messenger”.
    (Note: Muslims are to visibly demonstrate their ENMITY or HATRED towards the kufaar)

    – from a lecture given by Sheikh Abdullah al-Faisal (H.A.): “The implication of al-Baraa is that one HATES for the sake of Allah (SWT)…Al-Baraa means to recognize who your enemies are and to HATE them and EXTERMINATE them in their Endeavour to get rid of your Deen, al-Islam…Al-Baraa is to HATE the people who propagate Baatil (falsehood)—the Muslim should HATE them and (at least desire to) KILL them when the time comes.”
    (Note: not ‘if the time comes’, but ‘WHEN the time comes.)

    – “Killing a Kafir who is fighting you is OK. Killing a Kafir for any reason (i.e. criticism of Islam), you can say, it is OK – even if there is NO REASON for it. You can poison, ambush and kill non-believers. You must have a stand with your heart, with your tongue, with your money, with your hand, with your sword, with your Kalashnikov. Don’t ask shall I do this, just do it.”Abu Hamza al-Masri (Egyptian born British Cleric)

    • infidel says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 11:08 pm

      This is a superb post.. Thanks..

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Jun 30, 2018 at 3:51 am

        Infidel

        If I recall correctly, from previous postings by you, you are from India?

        If you are.. make a copy of Mortimer’s post above, that you have just commended. Add the text of Quran 48.29, in which it is stated that Muslims are ‘harsh’ toward the unbelievers, and ‘compassionate’ *only* amongst themselves.

        And send to your PM Modi, with a short covering note.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 3:50 am

      Mortimer: send that post to Malcolm Lord Pearson, if you have not already done so. Then he will know just how mainstream, how orthodox, is hatred of kuffar for being kuffar. Also, refer him to Quran 48.29.

    • Brian hoff says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 8:35 pm

      The majority of muslim worldwide donot follow this teaching at all.

      • Michael Copeland says

        Jul 1, 2018 at 8:26 am

        Islam is not a Trade Union.
        What the majority do has no effect whatsoever on Islam’s rules.

        • Jocelynn Cordes says

          Jul 4, 2018 at 11:41 pm

          Wow. Good point.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 2, 2018 at 12:03 am

        What claptrap. All devout Muslims hate Jews–and many of them put that into action by attacking Jews.

  12. jayell says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:15 pm

    Warsi; “Does the Minister agree that Tommy Robinson, who has, to much disgust, been hosted in your Lordships’ House for tea and lunch but is now serving time in, I believe, Her Majesty’s Prison Hull, is now in a more appropriate place for someone who thinks, speaks, preaches and conducts himself as he does?”

    Maybe Tommy Robinson’s visit to the House of Lords was to Warsi’s disgust, but Warsi’s contaminating presence is the House of Lords is a matter of immensely greater disgust to millions of genuine British citizens around the UK who respect proper democracy. And she clearly demonstrates her unsuitability for any kind of office in the UK by suggesting that people who don’t share HER islamic opinions should be in prison. I believe that is what happens in Pakistan? But then Warsi will certainly know about that, won’t she?

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 4:02 am

      That statement by Baroness Warsi is nothing but a veiled threat. She is telling *Pearson* that she wants *him* thrown into prison for *daring* to criticise *any* aspect of wonderful, beautiful, perfect, Islam, Islam, Islam.

      When she hissed- “Does the Minister agree that Tommy Robinson, who has, to much disgust, been hosted in your Lordships’ House for tea and lunch but is now serving time in, I believe, Her Majesty’s Prison Hull, is now in a more appropriate place for someone who thinks, speaks, preaches and conducts himself as he does?”

      Then he should have looked this Mohammedan mobster in the eye and said, in a coolly level voice, “No, not at all. Public and rational critique of Islam, and of the bad behaviour of Muslims toward non-Muslims – bad behaviour that is commanded in numerous passages of the founding texts of Islam – is NOT – or certainly OUGHT NOT – to be considered a crime in any free non-Islamic country.
      ‘We are not living in Islamic Pakistan, the sharia of Islam that criminalises ‘blasphemy’ is NOT part of English common law (although you seem to think that it is), and therefore Tommy Robinson should not be in prison. If you wish to accuse him and me of blasphemy, and demand that, like Aasia Bibi in Pakistan, we be sentenced to prison – and indeed to death, for the ‘crime’ of blaspheming against – criticising, saying no – to Islam – then go right ahead and say it… and, in so doing, make it abundantly clear, madam, that you belong in Islamic Pakistan, where raging mobs howl for the death of “blasphemers”, and *NOT* in this House of Peers in the Mother of Parliaments”.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 2, 2018 at 12:04 am

        Exactly, DDA.

      • Jocelynn Cordes says

        Jul 4, 2018 at 10:55 pm

        Wow, DDA. THAT was powerful. Well said.

  13. Martin says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    video – Lord Pearson speaks on Islamophobia, Counter-Extremism

    • Keys says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 2:13 pm

      Thank you for the video, Martin.

      The Lords are leaping.
      They’re afraid, except for the embolded muslim members.

      • Keys says

        Jun 29, 2018 at 2:17 pm

        emboldened, not embolded

    • underbed cat says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 2:51 pm

      Thank you Martin for this video. Lord Pearson I love your comments and bravery, you are truly a patriot and shows you are the informed and analysis of the the doctrine of warfare must be understood. Your statement, ” I fear the problem because the government must know that it is the hatred of Kuffar, is central to radical Islam”. The reaction was sudden with shaming words by the clueless, deceived leaders and the comment that Tommy Robinson “caused disgust and is in an appropriate place due to his “thinking, speaking and preaching” truly exposes the problem of the speaker who with her backers with shaming words is ignorant of the doctrine that is found in the Quran and that terrorist’s quote and declare their allegiance. In the age of information, ignorance is a choice and dangerous and when it shows it’s true nature will almost be too late.

      • Phil Copson says

        Jun 29, 2018 at 3:26 pm

        “….the comment that Tommy Robinson “caused disgust and is in an appropriate place due to his “thinking, speaking and preaching” truly exposes the problem of the speaker who……. is ignorant of the doctrine that is found in the Quran……”
        ——————————————————————————————–

        Given that Warsi is a muslim herself, I am sure that she is entirely aware that the whole point of islam is to spread islam, and is acting here in accordance with it.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 29, 2018 at 9:11 pm

          Agreed, Phil.

    • Westman says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 4:33 pm

      In the past, I have considered ideas such as, “Britain is finished”, to be beyond the pail. After seeing the video of this exchange and the haughty dismissal of both Jihad and the outline of a Police State forming in the minds of MP’s over Tommy Robinson, one can only conclude that, like a grade school populist court, this governing body is rushing headlong into a future beyond their understanding – aided by both wilful and complicit ignorance within the governing body.

    • Kay says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 11:38 am

      What a brave man Lord Pearson is! And yet what hope is there? Muslims are ever claiming to be victimized if anyone even speaks of what has actually happened or questions what is actually happening.

  14. Norger says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    I find Ms. Warsi’s statement on the floor of Parliament that it’s a good thing Tommy Robinson is in prison because prison is “a more appropriate place for someone who thinks, speaks, preaches and conducts himself as he does.” She is really saying that outspoken critics of Islam belong in jail. Fascism is alive and well in the British Parliament. Completely Orwellian.

    • underbed cat says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 2:58 pm

      Totally agree. Fascism and Orwellian. It also put a chill thru me to see what Tommy Robinson is up against and here in the U.S..as the mosques spread in numbers and the illusion of a progressive,peaceful religion gains its’ foothold in our soil and minds.

    • Terry Gain says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 5:48 pm

      The statements of the Muslima Warsi are disturbing and telling. She threatens Lord Pearson with a charge of hate speech for his reasonable statements about monitoring mosques (given Islam’s doctrine and history of violence) and she celebrates the imprisonment of Tommy Robinson for covering the trial of a Muslim rape gang.

      She seems pretty smug to me. And not a word of protest from her fellow Lords. It seems to me that Britain will either submit to Islam – as has the H of L – or have civil war. The opportunity to defeat Islam with a Cold War and ban on Muslim immigration seems to have passed.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 9:29 pm

      That’s *exactly* what this vicious Muslimah is saying, Norger.

    • Kay says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 11:41 am

      Agreed. And how sad that (at least in what we saw above) not a one spoke against being put in prison merely for thinking and speaking. (“Conducting” is kind of a throw away word; if he had actually committed a real crime, that crime would have been named.)

    • Carolyne says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 3:55 pm

      And she is denying his right to even “Think”. Well, Baroness I am thinking bad thoughts about you

  15. Wakeup says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:39 pm

    He is free to say what he likes under parliamentary privilege and anyway a Lord can only be tried by the house of Lords if he chooses so she is talking crap. Call her bluff.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 1:34 am

      I do hope that Malcolm Lord Pearson will do exactly that.

  16. Mark Berlinger says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 1:58 pm

    Islamophobia, A Cynical Weapon Of Cultural Terrorism

    The most successful Muslim Brotherhood attack on Western Civilization is the creation of propaganda that portrays common sense as a mental illness. Corporate media, those loyal promoters of Globalist Collectivism, wield this phony narrative that turns predators into victims with the primary purpose to shut people up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJ6FpabknY

  17. Keys says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 2:11 pm

    From JW two days ago:
    “Maine: Muslim brothers defrauded government of $1,400,000, distributed cash to Muslim community”

    HugoHackenbush says
    Jun 27, 2018 at 10:52 am

    And when can we expect stripping of citizenship (if naturalized) and deportation???

    D’OH!!

    Never mind. I withdraw the question.

    Reply
    Keys says
    Jun 27, 2018 at 1:42 pm

    Hugo –
    You could be jailed with Tommy Robinson for that question in the UK.

    *******************

    It’s no joke. Good thing he’s a Lord, and not a commoner.

    By Jove, that cheeky fellow must ask the same question next time.

  18. J H says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    There are groups out there that say they will fight for Britain, free Britain, etc, etc, and hold their hands out for donation.
    When are we going to get a group who has the balls the give us back our country? make it so we can walk our own streets again safely? make it so our children are safe? and as this Lord NEEDS, give us back our FREEDOM OF SPEACH?

  19. Keith says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    “The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government and Wales Office (Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth) (Con)

    My Lords, it is just a year since the Finsbury Park terror attack on the mosque, and I am reminded how the Muslim community acted then—with dignity, determination and compassion—as no doubt the noble Lord is also so reminded.”

    It has been nearly 13 years since the London Underground and bus bombings, 5 years since Fusilier Lee Rigby was mown down and beheaded outside Woolwich Barracks, and just over 1 year since the Ariana Grande concert bombing and the ramming/knife attacks at Westminster and London Bridge and I am reminded how the non-Muslim community acted then—with dignity, determination and compassion—as no doubt The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government and Wales Office (Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth) (Con) is also so reminded.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 4:12 am

      Keith – email that posting to Lord Pearson. He might find it useful, to have up his sleeve in future.

      And… ask him if he has a copy of McLaughlin’s report on the ‘grooming gangs’, “Easy Meat”.

  20. Benedict says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 3:37 pm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380564/35-radicals-trained-terrorism-British-mosques-Guantanamo-files-reveal.html

    “35 radicals trained for terrorism at British mosques, Guantanamo files reveal:

    “The CIA is still so concerned about militant recruitment in the UK that it operates its own intelligence network and recruits its own agents among the Muslim population in Britain.” – – –

    The problem of terrorism – borne out of the hate speech in the Muslim canon that’s celebrated and preached from in the mosques – is taken care of by help of Muslims themselves.

    So why should the good Lord Pearson worry?

  21. b.a. freeman says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    sieg heil!

    joos, the line forms to the right; the ovens are on the left. kuffar, hand over 25% of what U now own, and prepare to hand over what’s left in a year or so, or be killed. come to think of it, most male kuffar will be killed, anyway, and all the females will be made into concubines.

    like u.s. congressmen, who are virtually immune from prosecution while the congress is in session, those in the house of lords may say anything they want in session (not sure if they’re *totally* immune from prosecution, though). lord pearson may say things on the floor for which the brit-on-the-street would be arrested and convicted (apparently within hours of arrest). it would seem that most british people are *not* in parliament, however (imagine that!), so they do *not* have free speech. it will not be long before the left finds it convenient to criminalize association, press, and (perhaps a little later) religion. that is *not* the kind of “freedom” i want!

  22. somehistory says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    In the story Rikki Tikki Tavi, the snakes wanted to kill all of the people in the house. The mongoose was the only protection from the snakes, so they targeted him with a vengeance.

    The snakes of islam have slithered into the House of government in the U.K. and their goal is the elimination of all of the “people.’….and they are making special targets of those who are standing up to them and going after these with a vengeance.

    In the story, the young mongoose knew how to strike back and win. But it doesn’t look so good for the real life situation for the people of the U.K. They have allowed the snakes to become too powerful.

    If one cannot ask questions without being threatened with prison, what can be done?

    Revelation chapter 13

  23. Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    Noises one hears before a civil war.

  24. JohninRedding says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    “UK Lord asks if mosques will be monitored for “hate speech,” That is a question worth asking!! If hate speech is to come from anywhere it certainly can come from there. Much of the Muslim faith is built on hating those who do not accept their religion. I say hate because you can not claim love when your holy scripture demands you kill the infidel. That is not my type of love.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jul 1, 2018 at 8:46 am

      as above:

      “…between us and you enmity and hatred forever…”

      Koran 60:4, part of Islamic law

  25. Keith Caneva says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    Looks like America will, once again have to save your asses, this time from yourselves, cant wait for the victory parades.

  26. R Russell says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    Barnabas Trust has this petition to sign.

    Scroll below the pics for the petition
    https://www.barnabasfund.org/en

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 9:52 pm

      Thanks for the link.

  27. Indiana Tom says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    And will the Government please stop using the word “Islamophobia”, because it is surely reasonable and not at all phobic to fear the world’s most violent ideology, from which indeed most hate speech now comes?
    Well, he got that right, but this contradicts the Ministry of Truth.
    UK Lord asks if mosques will be monitored for “hate speech,” is threatened with “hate speech” prosecution for asking
    The UK Lord must understand that unquestioning obedience to the IngSoc Party line is mandatory for enjoyment of citizenship in Oceania. Further re-education in Room 101 by the Ministry of Love may be required for this misguided man.

  28. Gary says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    If you support free speech and Tommy Robinson then please THUMB DOWN a vile anti-Tommy video on the link below.
    The American narrator of this video labels ALL Tommys supporters as drunks and low IQ morons.
    His delivery is full of derision and spite and completely ignores that Tommy was about the only person
    to have the moral courage to stand up in public and expose the horrific rapes and torture of tens of
    thousands of underrage white and Sikh girls.

  29. somehistory says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    An episode of Murphy Brown was all about political correctness and sensitivity training. One of the things said to which a woman objected was when Murphy spoke about ‘women wearing veils and walking behind the men.’

    Of course, she had to apologize If that show was in current production and she said such a thing, more than an apology would be required.

    threats against life and liberty from those who respect no one. islam is straight from satan the devil.

  30. EX-Californian says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 7:33 pm

    You Brits need to stand up for yourselves. It’s almost too late. This is a fight to the death.

  31. D3F1ANT says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 7:55 pm

    The UK seems to have surrendered.

  32. gravenimage says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    UK Lord asks if mosques will be monitored for “hate speech,” is threatened with “hate speech” prosecution for asking
    ………………….

    This is how insane things have gotten in Britain.

    Kudos to him for speaking out.

    • Indiana Tom says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 10:03 pm

      Catch-22.

  33. infidel says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 11:21 pm

    Vow.. Another classic example of how the parasite infiltrates DEEP INTO THE HOST CONTROL CENTERS and uses these control centers for its own toxic ends!! U can see many such examples in the world of biology……

  34. infidel says

    Jun 29, 2018 at 11:29 pm

    Another Islamic TRUISM from the annals of the Infidel:

    Muslims are MASTERS are masters in infiltrating deep into the corridors of power like the Liberal Left in case of the Greater Western Democracies, camouflaging their HATE-INFIDEL rhetoric as official LEFT-LIB party stance.

    Let me explain:

    Most of the pro-Islam statements made by the LEFT-LIB, it would come across as actually being made by the LEFT-LIB leaders on the outside to anyone not in the know. It is actually, the Trojan Muslims who are writing the speeches and formulating party stance and policies. In other words, Muslims fire their guns on the infidel society from the shoulders of the LEFT-LIB leaders and make it seem as an alternative viewpoint in a democracy. And as time goes, Muslims will COMPLETELY HIJACK the LEFT-LIB Parties and DICTATE their policies. Not to mention that, these same LEFT-LIB parties will themselves be jettisoned by Muslims as their numbers grow and they get bolder to come out of the camouflage and directly tout Islam and form their Islamic political parties..which was after all their aim in the first place..

    NO OTHER IDEOLOGY HAS SO MUCH INSIDIOUSNESS AS THIS CANCER..

    • infidel says

      Jun 29, 2018 at 11:32 pm

      Muslims are also masters in spreading vicious rumors and conspiracy theories about the RIGHT and make it seem as if this is all coming from the normal people… One should see the hatred that Muslim whatsapp groups circulate regarding the Indian RIGHT and its leaders…

  35. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:41 am

    Click on the link provided and read it all – there’s a LOT more.

    It’s horrifying.

    Poor Lord Pearson – he asked a perfectly rational fact-based question – and the Muslims and the dhimmis (the latter spouting all the boilerplate nonsense with which they have been propagandised) leap up and tag-team each other to suppress him.

    Another Muslim, one ‘Baroness Afshar’ lies her face off about Islam and what it teaches about Jews, Christians, and every other non-Islamic faith on the planet).

    Pearson is given *NO* chance to respond to any of this garbage.

    Kudos to him for at least asking the Question.

    May Saint George, Saint Alban and all the saints, martyrs and confessors of the church in Britain protect him and give him strength and courage to persevere; indeed, to *up the ante* rather than backing down. And may there be *other* Peers raised up to *join with him*. That is my prayer, for Britain.

    Next time Pearson steps into the House to speak forbidden truths about Islam, the Religion of Blood and War, perhaps he should quietly recite the Krias Shema before he goes in- “In the Name of the Lord, the God of Israel: may Michael be at my right hand/ Gabriel at my left/ before me Raphael, behind me Uriel, and above my head the divine presence of God”. Because he’s going up against entrenched principalities and powers of absolute evil.

    Question for our UK members: when this sort of debate goes on… when there are Questions to be asked in the House: is there a public gallery? Are members of the ordinary public, ordinary citizens, permitted to sit and watch and listen?

    Because if so – I would encourage our UK jihadwatchers to get in touch with Lord Pearson, so that next time he Puts a Question of this sort (and I do hope and pray that he will screw up his courage and do it, and again, and again, and again) he can have a *large* number of supporters sitting in the public gallery to offer moral support and solidarity, just by *being* there. Indeed, if *I* were sitting in on something like that .. I would be *praying*, silently, the entire time. I would have my prayer-book out and I would be going through the psalms,

    There *could* be a rally of support, outside, afterward. And a largely-attended rally at Speakers Corner in which *exactly the same* Question could be aired… and discussed, with additional information supplied… and let’s lose the ‘radical’ and just talk about iSLAM, period.

    UK jihadwatchers, get behind this man. If you’re Jewish or Christian: PRAY for him.

    And you might also pray for the Useful Idiots to be… shall we say.. exorcised? Liberated from the *fog* of confusion that currently blinds their eyes. Let them be *freed* from their dhimmi grovelling.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 2, 2018 at 12:11 am

      +1

  36. Supermandan says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:51 am

    Is “Islamophobia” on the statute books? If so, what is its legal definition? If not, then how can the government be committed to tackling something it is not prepared to define? Either way, the questioner could not be prosecuted because the question is merely precautionary, which in terms of security and defence throughout the entirety of history has never not been legitimate. I suspect Baroness Warsi is a fifth columnist.

  37. Greg Taylor says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 4:01 am

    Lord Bourne thinks a few words from a muslim and an iftar dinner for jews and christians ( but no dirty pantheists) makes Islam a religion of peace.

    • WPM says

      Jun 30, 2018 at 6:51 am

      Yes you can dine at the mosque tonight for a good smoke and mirrors show for the press . You cannot listen in on our daily hate prays in the mosque calling for your destruction and death .We the” best of people” Moslems must work uncover with our daily , meeting, plotting ,planning , arm buying, hate praying for your death destruction, and enslavement. We must teach our children from a young age to hate all you unbelievers ,to teach them to deceive the unbelievers, steal from the unbelievers, to kill rape and enslave the unbelievers .If you expose our teaching at the pulpit and in our class room the public might get upset and put a stop to our conquest of your country .We are the “best of people” we followers of Allah need you the unbeliever to be good loyal slaves to us it has been promised to us in the Koran and the Hadiths.

  38. No Fear says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 6:15 am

    Many muslim countries monitor mosques for extremism. Why not the UK? Are they so stupid to ignore the dangers?

    • Maffi says

      Jul 1, 2018 at 3:17 am

      Yes is the answer. Our politicians are foolishly hoping if they feed the crocodiles they wont be eaten.

  39. FYI says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 7:31 am

    Will the muslim baroness warsi(Con…){“I do not like to read” she says.Well start reading your “holy” koran ,Love.C’mon,a word at a time..its appaling nonsense but you need to know how false it is…}…… kindly explain the following bigoted,koranic hate-filled teachings of her god “allah”?:-

    1.koran 9:30 allah’s CURSE upon the Jews and the Christians:the Christians are cursed simply for believing in Jesus Christ.

    EXPLAIN how and why allah’s bigotry is justified.

    {allah,the anti-Semitic,antiChristian,misogynistic bigot with his “perfect”.. theologically incorrect… koran and his mass-murdering “prophet” muhammed}

    2 koran 2;65 allah’s violent anti-Semitic nature revealed;

    The Jews are..”apes to be despised and hated”

    EXPLAIN WHY the Jews must be hated and despised according to allah.WHY are the Jews “apes”??

    {Note:Moses and Jesus Christ are Jews and the entire Biblical narrative is Jewish.ALL Biblical prophets both in the OT AND NT are JEWS.Good luck explaining allah’s hatred of the Jews in the light of those facts.BEHATSLACHA* with that!}

    3 “Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and Christians for friends”

    koran 5 v 51

    WHY?Why shouldn’t muslims be friends with Jews and Christians?

    Because…. “allah” says so!

    allah himself seems not to conform to God’s 2nd Chief commandment.

    why should non-muslims be murdered by moslems?k2v 91

    Because…. “allah” says so!

    But then….

    allah is the “best of deceivers” koran 3:54 and as for islam’s prophet,the “perfect man” himself?

    muhammed was an ADMITTED terrorist and FALSE prophet..

    {The British think that by awarding silly knighthoods and peerages to muslims like warsi that they will be a loyal,patriotic part of society.
    But you see from koran 9:30,koran 2:65 and koran 5:51 that will never really be the case…Tommy Robinson,in contrast,…. is a courageous,brave patriot who clearly loves his homeland and has been disgracefully been mad a scapegoat by the British(Britainistani)}

    What about warsi’s “prophet”?muslims are obliged to follow the sunnah or example of this mass-murdering{Abu Dawud 4390},polygamous,black slave selling{sahih muslim 3901},self-confessed fraudster{al tabari 6:111}:its all recorded in islamic teachings.

    1 “I have been made victorious through TERROR”

    bukhari 4:52:220

    2 “I have fabricated things AGAINST GOD and have imputed to him things he has not said”

    al tabari 6:111

    warsi needs to start reading….starting with allah’s antichristian,antisemitic hate and bigotry in his “holy” koran.and those disgusting hadiths of her self-confessed false prophet muhammed.

    Start reading,habibi……….

    *Good luck in Hebrew.

  40. John W says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 8:27 am

    are there mosques that DON’T engage in hate speech given the very broad definition of that term? Just sayin…

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 2, 2018 at 12:13 am

      Maybe a handful that carefully edit out all the vicious parts of Islam. There can’t be very many of them, though.

  41. Strong Aingel says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 11:17 am

    What they are about we knew long ago. For democracy they were tolerated. The stakes are different now. The “neglivence” excuse no longer applies to their behaviour.

  42. GBL says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    Just who the hell does Warsi think she is to threaten people? mosques should be monitireed for hate speach to the same extent as anuwhere else

  43. Rusty Fox says

    Jun 30, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    Baroness Warsi (Con)

    My Lords, I do not like to read…

    Is this because under the Shari’a law which so many Muslims seem intent on establishing in the UK females are not allowed to be schooled nor taught how to read and write, and can be (and often are) ‘executed’ for having education? Perhpas Baroness Warsi is afraid to read?

  44. Maffi says

    Jul 1, 2018 at 3:09 am

    The response by Warsi has just put a gag on the House of Lords, whilst the original question sought to see some measure of balance!

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