In Pakistan this May, Chinese ambassador Yao Jing gave an interview in which he assured his hosts that the Chinese government puts no restrictions on Muslims.
Chinese Ambassador Yao Jing has said that Chinese government has given full freedom to the Muslims and allowing them to observe fasting in Ramazan [Ramadan]. Muslims in China have full rights to practice Islam.
In an exclusive interview with ‘The News’ Chinese Ambassador Yao has said that western media is showing totally different picture that Muslims in China don’t have freedom to follow Islam whereas situation on ground is totally different. [The substandard English has been left throughout.]
He said in China everyone is free to follow his religion in China because law gives them full protection to practice religion no mater one [sic] is Muslim, Christian or follow any other religion. Chinese ambassador said there is no restriction by the government even for government employees. “Muslims are free to follow Islam like in Pakistan,” he added.
Ambassador told that Xinjiang is the Muslims majority region of China and they have around 24,400 mosques and many religious colleges in which number of Muslims are getting Islamic education. Not only this during Eids and traditional festivals, Muslims enjoy holidays here, which shows they are free to practice Islam in China.
Chinese ambassador further told that like other parts of the world a number of religious believers provide free ‘iftar’ to fasting people and the local governments help them to arrange religious activities go in order. [sic]
“Every year number of Chinese Muslims performs Haj and Xinjiang government helps them to get medical treatment and other facilities,” Chinese ambassador told. Chinese Ambassador said that China is growing economy in the world and some unhealthy minds are not happy with its development that’s why western media is doing this propaganda that Muslims in China are not allowed to practice Islam.
Xinjiang province has distributed 43 Islamic publications in different languages of minority ethnic groups, totalling over one million copies, including over 230,000 copies of new Koran and over 29,000 copies of Basic Knowledge of Islam, both in the Uygur language. Thousands of books have been translated and published on Quran and Selections from Al-Sahih Muhammad Ibn-Ismail al-Bukhari in different languages, which are available in open market. Every year Xinjiang sent number of Chinese Muslims students to Pakistan, Egypt and other Muslim countries for further studies, and to improve their religious knowledge.
The famous definition of a diplomat as “someone who is sent abroad to lie for his country” fits perfectly here. Far from allowing Muslims to observe Ramadan without hindrance, it has made it harder, or in some cases impossible, for the devout to do so. The Chinese government in 2017 passed laws requiring all restaurants to stay open during Ramadan. Further, it has forbidden teachers, civil servants, and all those working in the public sector from observing Ramadan, and if any are caught doing so “they will be dealt with.”
As for the ambassador’s mention of the “new Qur’ans” distributed by the Chinese government, it should be noted that Muslims have been required to hand in their own Qur’ans to the government, if those copies were published before 2012. The reason for this is that in 2012 the Chinese government prepared “new” Qur’ans, heavily censored, with the “meaning’’ of the verses that remained annotated by government experts so as to lessen their anti-infidel message. The only Qur’ans now allowed are the versions published by the government.
The ambassador claims in his interview that Muslims in China are free to go on the hajj. He fails to note that Muslims in Xinjiang must request government permission to do so, and that they are asked to register their age, job, health, and economic status. Strict guidelines are put in place for applicants, who must be aged between 50 and 70 and have lived in Urumqi, the region’s capital, for at least five years. They are thoroughly investigated by the government for their political views; anyone who has displayed the slightest hint of being politically unreliable is denied permission to go on the hajj.
Furthermore, all those who apply to go on the hajj must also pledge allegiance to the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and to national unity (and therefore against Uighur independence).
Indeed, Muslims who travel abroad for any reason, not just for the hajj, upon their return are subject to particular scrutiny, especially if they have spent any time in Muslim countries. More than 120,000 have been placed in re-education centers, lest they have been exposed to “subversive” ideas from non-Chinese Muslims while abroad.
As for other restrictions on Islam, in Xinjiang imams have been subject to public humiliation by being forced to dance en masse in public, and at the same time, were made to make an oath to keep children away from religion, and as public servants, paid by the state, the imams were forced to brandish the slogan that “our income comes from the CKP not from Allah.” Many of the imams were forced to wave Chinese flags during their ordeal. Speeches were made — it’s unclear from the reports if these were by Chinese government officials or by government-approved imams — in which young people were told both to stay away from mosques and that prayer was harmful to one’s health. Teachers throughout Xinjiang have been instructed to teach children to stay away from religion; retired teachers have been posted outside mosques during Ramadan to prevent students from entering.
Mosques have been required to push Communist propaganda, swapping inscriptions about Muhammad for red banners that declare, “Love the Party, Love the Country.”
Muslim men have been required to shave “abnormal” or “religious” beards; punishment is strict; one man was sentenced to six years in jail for refusing to do so. Names given to children must not be “religious.” Twenty-nine names have been banned so far, such as Islam, Saddam, Mecca, Quran, Jihad, Medina; all are now strictly forbidden. Women may not wear any veils that cover the face; even women wearing only the hijab have been prevented in some parts of Xinjiang from using busses. Muslims are required to listen to the official state television (i.e., that carry anti-Muslim, and pro-Communist propaganda), and cannot prevent their children from attending state schools.
When the Chinese ambassador to Pakistan offered his preposterously sanitized version of how his government treats Muslims, he had no fear of being cross-examined. For he knew that Pakistan needs China, both as an economic partner, and as a military ally — China supplies 70% of Pakistan’s weaponry — and the Pakistani government is not about to contradict the official Chinese line. The Chinese are, in stark contrast to the fearful and appeasement-minded West, unafraid to come down hard on Islam. And the Pakistanis do not dare to protest. The reason the ambassador lied is simple: because he could.
WPM says
Nice suit was he hoping to fade into the green walls behind him so the Pakistan people will not spot Chinese ambassador in their country? Will the next Chinese ambassador to America have a blue denim leisure suit with platform soled shoes from 1975 ?
del says
I expect that the targeted audience (the Pakistani ruling elite) of the Ambassador’s words know quite well that his words are dishonest. The actual message to that audience is that the Chinese know themselves to be in a position of strength versus Pakistan and so have no hesitation to speak to Pakistan with (contemptuous) dishonesty.
J D S says
I feel sure that Muslims living in China and when allowed to, visit Pakistan, have told their fellow Muslims just how Muslim life actually is in China.
overman says
“Green was supposedly Mohammed’s favorite color. The Islamic prophet is said to have worn a green cloak and turban, and his writings are full of references to the color. A passage from the Quran describes paradise as a place where people “will wear green garments of fine silk.”
overman says
Just noticed – even his watch is green?
Also, GREEN is believed to be an auspicious color for warding off evil, so he’s not taking any chances .
Richard says
Green is also the color of verdant fields and date trees surrounding wells. This is what the Arab Muslims Love because of the vast emptiness of the deserts, which represents only suffering nd the danger of death.
Terry Cotter says
Green….Teeth?
gravenimage says
But Muslims love suffering and death.
Joe Camelteau says
Don’t be ridiculous! If they love suffering and death, why are they running for their lives to Europe?
gravenimage says
Muslims love to impose suffering and death on everyone else–that is what Islam does.
Some few Muslims may be fleeing to Europe and other parts of the West to flee Islam, but most of them are bringing Islam with them.
The idea that the horrors of Islam–pedophilia, rape, Jihad terror attacks, “Honor Killings”, and mass murder–are *not* suffering and death is just grotesque.
But then, what else would we expect from “Joe Camelteau”–who is now capitalizing his ridiculous username–who below openly said that “The best thing to happen is massive Islamic terrorism in China and against Chinese interests globally”.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/06/yao-jing-in-china-everyone-is-free-to-practice-his-religion#comment-1928441
In other words, “Joe Camelteau” is at Jihad Watch *stumping for violent Jihad*. *Ugh*.
WPM says
I was commenting on the green suit as anything he says is hiding the true with him blending into the wall .Pakistan would be glad to use China against the West until the Moslems world wide are in a position to go after them. At this time China has the numbers and economic power to do what it wants with the small number of Moslems in their country, and they could careless about human rights or due process. Pakistan knows that China would be glad to make the whole Moslem population in China into organ donors if they get piss off.
Krishna says
Irony is Pakistan biggest friend is anti Muslim China But it’s biggest enemy is muslim appeasing India
gravenimage says
Yes–China regularly plays footsie with some of the worst Islamic tyrannies.
Richard says
That is to use them and gain power in different parts of the world. Mohamed was very friendly and peace-talking with various Arab cities … until he had the power to conquer them with the sword. Nations use who they can, when they can, how they can. To quote Shakespeare’s Richard III: “Why, I can smile, and murder while I smile, and cry ‘content’ to things that grieve my heart. I can change colors with the chameleon…”
No Muzzies Here says
And what happens when the religion tells them to chop heads off?
Joe Camelteau says
Just be careful what you say and do! Head chopping is a final consequence. There are no second chances after that.
gravenimage says
No matter how much we appease Muslims, they will still want to chop our heads off.
peter says
China is doing the same thing
What Muslim countries are doing
Finishing the Minority
Europe must learn from China
What is important is
Why Europeans fight for Human Rights for Muslim when they Don’t Believe in it.
gravenimage says
“Europe must learn from China”–actually, China enables Islam all the time–the are very scattered in their opposition to Jihad. While they sometimes clamp down on Islam–often in quite arbitrary ways–they have also exempted Muslims from their “One-Child Policy”; allowed them, and only them, to carry knives in western China; and dealt with ugly Jihad states like Pakistan.
Richard says
The obvious answer is that China will speak peace while slowly destroying a dangerous minority within its own borders, while at the same time push her rival nations to destroy themselves by coddling that same minority within their borders. Brilliant statesmanship … if you can find nations as stupid as France, England and Germany.
Leondegrance2 says
Those measures are prudent when you have a totalitarian cult living in your midst. West take note.
But please, leave your dancing Imams at home. No one wants to see that.
Jaladhi says
Ha, ha, ha, .. what a bunch of BS flows when liers talk to liers!!!
JawsV says
Liars! (with an a)
So, the Chinese are just as dumb as us. What’s with the green suit? It’s not easy being green! You might have to grovel and kowtow to Islam.
Jaladhi says
Yup … liars — and not liers!! typo!
No, Chinese are not “just as dumb as us” – they will just say anything as the situation and place warrants! You can say it is Chinese taqiyya!!
dan christensen says
>>“Muslims are free to follow Islam like in Pakistan,” he added.<<
What now if the freedom to follow islam includes the islamic obligation to persecute non-muslims ad libitum?
Islam should never be accepted by any country, until islam stops exercising the ingrained right to supremacy over other religions – and interfere with other religions right to exist on equal footing with islam.
PRCS says
Note within the article’s headline the phrase ‘Practice His Religion’.
“In China Everyone is Free to Practice His Religion””
That is no more accurate in China than in the U.S.
As it pertains to Muslims in non-Muslim nations, they can believe Qur’an is Allah’s literal word–valid ’til the end of time–but cannot act out those of its commands, demands which run afoul of a nation’s man-made laws without legal consequences.
There is a significant difference between ‘belief’ and ‘practice’.
Japetto Danatelli says
The Chinese are, in stark contrast to the fearful and appeasement-minded West, unafraid to come down hard on Islam.
Without sounding like I’m lauding the Chinese, I think their policies on islam are to be admired and copied, but not in entirety. It looks like they’re taking sensible measures to ensure muslims don’t do what they always do if given the chance–terrorize, subvert, and conquer. I wouldn’t agree with this kind of suppression against other peaceful religions, but I agree in taking a hard line stance against islam. Islamic religion and culture is so filled with bigotry and violence against non-muslims, and is causing so much violence, that it would be foolhardy to do anything less. I don’t agree with everything, I wouldn’t force imams to public humiliation by dancing, that strikes me as a human rights violation. And I would only agree with Quran censorship for eliminating verses that explicitly call for violence against others (and there are plenty); ordinarily I’m against book censorship of any kind, but islam is an exceptional case. The way I see it, anyone who supports an ideology that advocates and inspires violence is by definition a threat to the peace and security of any nation. If we had a million Neo-Nazis in America terrorizing and killing Jews for their antisemitic writings then we’d be at war with Neo-Nazis. But muslims get special treatment in the West, our government(s) coddle and nurture their sick and violent religion like it was a gift to humanity, despite the fact they are terrorizing and killing by the thousands for that same religion. Our politicians and media are aiding their cause and are complicit in those crimes.
I’m no fan of China, they’re serious human rights abusers themselves. But as an average guy concerned about islam’s violent jihad war against us, I can’t help but admire their no-nonsense attitude in dealing with the “religion of hate and murder.”
Joe Camelteau says
What about the Chinese persecution of Christians? Is that alright too? Christians threaten the Chinese Communist system. From issues of birth control, abortion, organ harvesting, summary execution, religious intolerance (disconnect from the Vatican), Falun Gong etc. The Chinese government closely controls all religious expression because it fears religion.
I hope the persecution of Muslim Uyghurs brings the wrath of all Muslims. The extermination of a religion because it rivals loyalty to an oppressive government is wrong anywhere on the planet. The Uyghurs are a persecuted minority. they have lived in Xinjiang for thousands of years. It is not part of China historically. Han Chinese are moving in and displacing them. They will soon become a minority in their own land. The situation is similar to Tibet. Take a lesson from this for when China comes to dominate the planet. If you feel that you are a minority in your own neighbourhood, it has already happened to you.
janwoG says
China has a strong government, knowing how to manage seditious ideologies. Decadent Western Europe does the opposite, mightily supported by anti-Western Leftists.
Baucent says
A strong totalitarian communist government who by the way close down “unofficial” Christians churches and regularly imprison church leaders. I rather think Pakistani muslims and the CCP are made for each other. I would believe or trust neither.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
China and Russia are not hostile non-muslim powers and have been promoting fair and mutual beneficial economic relationships with Muslim nations ,unlike armed robber evil United States.Currently China is amending it’s hostile treatment of Muslims in China. It is a good step
Rarely says
You are simply not for believing. You give everything a twisted meaning so it can fit your agenda.
China persecutes its muslims but sells arms to Pakistan so its okay. The US doesn’t prosecute its muslims and gives Pakistan huge dollars to protect itself (some of the aid presumably spent buying arms from China) so it’s “armed robber evil…” I don’t think your anodes talk to your diodes.
Rarely says
I don’t think Ibrahim is capable of logical thought. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
gravenimage says
So true, Rarely.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Rarely, Pakistan is having joint ventures with China like Fighter jets, not buying finished weapons like obsolete weapons the evil uńited states is selling to backwarded Saudi monarchs to be supplied to idiot terrorist groups.
gravenimage says
Well, I agree with Ibby for once–civilized nations *shouldn’t* be selling arms to Muslim barbarians.
Frank Anderson says
Anodes “talk” to cathodes. Diodes are electronic check valves.
Bob Bitchin says
I live in China. Please come and visit me for a few weeks. I will introduce you to all of the tolerant police officers at the local station where you will register as a muslim laowai the first day that you visit. Please feel free to tell them all about your islamic beliefs, so that you may be accommodated generously. Also, please feel quite free to proselytize as much as you wish–the local officials encourage it, and there is certainly no penalty for doing so.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Jay Boo, you have no right to exclude muslims from staying in the armed robber evil United States because it is not your one-eyed satan god who created soils exclusivesly for mithraist christians there. Afterall your wicked ancestors met the original inhabitants there and erased them. wicked Satan worshipers
Richard says
Ibrahim: Your “one-eyed satan god” is Odin of Scandinavia and Germany. He had and has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.
gravenimage says
Richard, Ibrahim itace muhammed is saying that God is the “dajjal”–what we would call the “Anti-Christ”.
This doesn’t make much sense even by the standards of Islamic eschatology–but it is just intended to mean that our opposing pedophilia, oppression, persecution, rape, and mass slaughter is ‘evil’.
Indiana Tom says
China and Russia are not hostile non-muslim powers and have been promoting fair and mutual beneficial economic relationships with Muslim nations
Yeah right. The Russians have had very nice wars with Muslim regions and the Chinese throttle their Western provinces as much as possible.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
China and Russia are not hostile non-muslim powers and have been promoting fair and mutual beneficial economic relationships with Muslim nations ,unlike armed robber evil United States.Currently China is amending it’s hostile treatment of Muslims in China. It is a good step
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It seems that Ibrahim itace muhammed appreciates the fact that China and Russia so often appease Muslim tyrannies. They also often vote with the Islamic bloc in the UN.
He probably likes the fact that they to greater or lesser extents oppose freedom, just as Islam does. They are still “filthy Infidels”, of course–just filthy Infidels he believes he can do business with.
More:
Jay Boo, you have no right to exclude muslims from staying in the armed robber evil United States because it is not your one-eyed satan god who created soils exclusivesly for mithraist christians there…
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Ibrahim itace muhammed has done this before–claimed that Infidels have no right to defend against Muslim conquest because “Allah” wants all of the “created soils” overrun by Mohammedan invaders.
His pretending that Muslims care about Native Americans is, of course, absurd–he hates them like the other “filthy barbarians” he rants about. His claiming that they were “erased” is also claptrap–I live in the city in America with the largest Native American population.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Liar Gravenimage, how many remain? Remember the whole Americas was populated and they Vanished, now populated by white mithraist christians from Europe
gravenimage says
What absolute tripe from Ibrahim itace muhammed–why would he lie about something so obviously false? Is he just profoundly ignorant–or does he hope that we are?
In 1492 the native population north of the Rio Grande was an estimated seven to ten million–this includes the whole of what is today the US and Canada.
As of 2015, the Native American population in the United States is 6.6 million.
Most Native Americans who died after Europeans began setting in the Americas did so due to diseases they have not previously encountered.
Still, it is well known that a lot of official US policies towards Native Americans were very bad. In 2000, the head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs offered Native Americans a formal apology.
When are Muslims going to do the same for the millions of Infidels they have slaughtered? I won’t be holding my breath…
As for my own city–Oakland, California–this is a well-known urban center of Native American life. When I was teaching through the Library, I had several Native American students.
Here’s Intertribal Friendship House:
https://www.ifhurbanrez.org/
And here is the US Census on the Native American community in Oakland from 1990:
https://www.census.gov/srd/papers/pdf/ex90-12.pdf
Tommy Orange’s acclaimed book “There There” is about the Native American Community in Oakland.
Elisha says
“He probably likes the fact that they to greater or lesser extents oppose freedom, just as Islam does. They are still “filthy Infidels”, of course–just filthy Infidels he believes he can do business with.”
He shoots, he scores. Well played, sir. God bless you, Gi.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Elisha.
A small point, but I’m a woman. Another reason for Ibby to hate me…
Elisha says
My apologies, Gi. My moniker is taken from the OT, meaning “my God is salvation”. Some people (mostly muslims) presume Elisha to be female, probably because they fear to actually read the Bible. BTW, I enjoy reading your rebuttals. Muslims hating women? Say it isn’t so! This was prophesied in Daniel 11:37 and evidenced in things like the burka, inheritance laws and, horrifyingly, FGM.
gravenimage says
No problem, Elisha. Some people know I’m female–I mention it periodically when it is salient; usually it isn’t.
And I see you have the opposite issue.
And yes, I am familiar with the Elisha of the Bible–a great role model.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
I think it is smart for China to limited and curtail Islam. Islam is anti-social and anti-nationalistic. On the other hand, Christianity teaches to “Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s” and to submit to lawful authority including government. So there is no need to limit the Catholic Church.
Indiana Tom says
On the other hand, Christianity teaches to “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s” and to submit to lawful authority including government. So there is no need to limit the Catholic Church.
Now be a good girl and state the rest of the quote, which is why the Chi-Coms hate Christianity.
You ever read the Chinese policies towards Christianity?
Indiana Tom says
“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”
Kepha says
I know all about them. I was a consular officer in China back in the ‘Nineties, and can tell you that at least back then, official China saw getting your child baptized was “forcing someone to believe in religion” and could get you lao gai. Further, if more eighteen-year-olds applied for baptism than Communist Party membership in some jurisdiction, there would be a crackdown on unregistered churches and more zealous believers. They could be especially nasty in areas of such minority peoples who had Christians among them such as the Miao (Hmong) and Yi. Xi Jinping has already shown that he doesn’t like the spread of Christianity among the Chinese, and has intensified crackdowns.
As for Islam, Amb. Yao might have been perfectly sincere. Perhaps there are no restrictions on Hui practicing Islam, even though China might forbid Uighurs from observing Ramazan. However, I suspect that one reason why Yao went to such lengths to reassure the Pakistani public is that the Pakistani public probably already knows that all is not well on the other side of the Karakorum Range.
bitcounter says
all except a few understand the “cause & effect” principle.
If you don’t instill in a human being a sence of right and wrong, how can you then ever expect them to behave in a society. Think about the golden rule! What islam is doing is indoctrination, hardwired programming so to say, relentless from the moment they are born. If you don’t understand this principle (very few really do) then forever hold your tongue.
China is changing the playing field like the romans did with christianity, very clever. Know the history before you start writing comments that give away your ignorance. And stick to the facts and spare me your “feelings”. Another difficient trait of “modern” education.
overman says
l didn’t realize China was such a wonderful place LOL
Of course, replacing one lnsanity with another never works – people are murdered and oppressed either way.
Wellington says
China = a strong horse.
Indiana Tom says
They have their little problems too. Cough, Environment, cough.
gravenimage says
They also have quite a problem with Jihad from Muslims there.
eduardo odraude says
Not just deadly smog. It’s a deadly government. They — Chinese government officials and doctors — used to (still do?) arrest Falun Gong practitioners by the thousands or tens of thousands and also many house Christians and kill them for their organs — a highly lucrative business of the sort that could only happen in the darkness maintained by totalitarianism.
Wellington says
eduardo: I agree with you. My calling China “a strong horse” in no way meant that I approve of all they do, but that they are tough there can be no doubt. I remember one Chinese student I taught, a very capable young man I might add, who said to me, “As bad as you think we Chinese are, we’re even worse.”
My experience over the years teaching Chinese students, and I taught many, led me to comprehend several things about the Chinese: 1) they’re brutally honest (e.g., another Chinese student I taught said out loud in my class that the Chinese are racist and they don’t care if people don’t like this); 2) they may very well be content with economic prosperity without seeking political rights, which would, historically speaking, be an exceedingly rare thing to happen; 3) they admire America greatly, especially our technology (which they steal on a regular basis), but they want to replace America as the great power or, at the very least, be its equal; 4) they catch on to American humor very well as opposed to Koreans, Japanese and even most Europeans; 5) on an individual basis they are a lot of fun to hang around with; 6) they are convinced of their natural superiority to virtually all other people; and 7) they don’t put up with any bull, including from Muslims—if I had to pick the last nation on earth to hold out against becoming Islamic (awful thought I know), I think it would be China, a strong horse indeed.
gravenimage says
Wellington wrote:
they may very well be content with economic prosperity without seeking political rights, which would, historically speaking, be an exceedingly rare thing to happen
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China is not entirely Communist in their economy any more. They allow individuals to take risks, which means more opportunity–but there are no legal safeguards for those people. If they step out of line politically–or are just believed to be gaining “too much” influence–then they may be robbed of all they have achieved by the state, and even imprisoned or executed.
What this is is Fascism–not in China’s politics, but in its economy. I’m surprised more people haven’t noticed this–instead, they just talk as though China is ‘loosening up’, but this is not really the case.
I suppose it is because when people think of Fascism, it is always with Swastikas…
The average Chinese person is indeed living better than they were during the “Cultural Revolution”–but they have little more actual freedom than they did under Mao.
Wellington says
Gravenimage: I have detected the same aggregate character flaw in the Chinese that I do in the Russians (and many other peoples for that matter), i.e., they don’t “get” freedom. People like the ancient Greeks, the Dutch, certainly the English, most surely the Americans, et al. are the exception where freedom is the issue. What a shame because without freedom no polity can be truly great and it is my deeply held conviction that America is the greatest polity of all time first and foremost because of its historical devotion to liberty, which, alas, I greatly fear is being lost in our time.
Many young Americans see nothing wrong with making a distinction between free speech and hate speech and prefer socialism over capitalism, the latter being the ONLY economic system which encourages and sustains freedom, never mind its being the only economic that produces wealth. Many youth in America also do not grasp that the full continuation of the freedoms outlined in the First Amendment can only be sustained precisely to the extent the Second Amendment remains strong and is not gutted or, even worse, repealed, as a retired Supreme Court Justice, John Paul Stevens, recently suggested should occur, immense fool that he is.
We may be in the midst of losing the greatest nation of all time. If we lose freedom, we will.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington. Many Americans and other Westerners have no real concept of what freedom entails, as well as no sense of what it is like to live in an unfree nation.
We no longer teach this in the schools–and only a few still understand that we have to stand for freedom, and sometimes fight for it.
I pray we don’t just give away all our freedoms.
Joe Camelteau says
You understand what is happening there. I don’t understand why nobody seems to care.
gravenimage says
Yao Jing: “In China Everyone is Free to Practice His Religion”
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No, they aren’t. There is little freedom of religion in China.
But cracking down on Islam–which presents a real threat to the Chinese and every other Infidel–is more forgivable than their persecuting Christians, Buddhists, and Falun Gong.
jewdog says
Those Chinese may be a bunch of lying sociopaths, but I kind of like them.
eduardo odraude says
The “Chinese” are not lying sociopaths. The Chinese Communist rulers are lying sociopaths. We saw the same disgusting lies from the Soviets about their own truly criminal behavior. It’s the same disgusting pattern, and if the Chinese government is not opened up to multiple parties and democracy, it will be the downfall and corruption of many, many Chinese people. Dictatorship severely often damages the morality and psychology of the people living under it.
The thing is, unless an arrangement is somehow made to let the communist apparatchiks escape punishment, they will NEVER give up power willingly. All their crimes would be exposed, and too many would have to go to jail — not only that, of course, but in a democratic revolution, the Chinese communist leaders might well be put to death, not necessarily as punishment or in revenge, but because while living they would be a deadly existential threat to the leaders of a democratic revolution — as Ceaucescu in Romania was, which was probably why he was killed so quickly.
jewdog says
The Chicoms may have their issues, but they do keep a lid on Islam. And for that I say sheh-sheh.
Matthieu Baudin says
“…in 2012 the Chinese government prepared “new” Qur’ans, heavily censored, with the “meaning’’ of the verses that remained annotated by government experts so as to lessen their anti-infidel message. The only Qur’ans now allowed are the versions published by the government…”
Thanks for this information Mr Fitzgerald – I wasn’t aware of it. The Pakistan/Chinese relationship is built on pure expediency pursuing military and trade imperatives.
gravenimage says
That doesn’t mean that China enabling Pakistan is not dangerous, though.
Richard says
Gravenimage: You are absolutely right, of course. Cortez wanted to keep the Aztec Empire intact under Spanish rule, but could not do so because an epidemic which has been attributed to typhus or smallpox nearly obliterated the Aztecs and surrounding nations. By the time the pilgrims landed, it has been estimated a third to half of all Native Americans had been slain by white-born diseases, and by the time the settlers reached the west, 90% of Native Americans were dead. Most tribes had white blood long before 1492. A Welsh tribe had joined the Mandans, many Esquimos today have blue eyes form interbreeding with early Norse settlers, and many of he first Cherokees the whites met had red hair and freckles. A number of words in Cherokee, such as “tla” (“no”) were Aramaic, meaning their ancestry was probably Phonecian. This s all the more likely because of similarities in culture such as the Cherokee’s seven cities of refuge to which a criminal could flee for refuge, which seems right out of the Bible.
Scientists have found traces of cocain and marijuana inside the wrappings of Egyptian mummies, while an archeology book published in the 50’s (No Stone Unturned) showed that improvements in the styles of chipping flint spearheads in t the paleolitihic era occurred in the Americas before they showed up in Europe.
Does Ibrahim expect us to believe the muslims would treasure those who followed the Native American religion in its variants, while at the same time massacring Christians and Jews for following a religion far more akin Islam? I’m Cherokee-Choctaw and spent many happy years in Los Angeles’ Indian Community before moving to West Virginia.
Donadagohu-i
Waya Usdi
gravenimage says
Thank you for your reply, Richard.
Most of what you cite is absolutely the case–a few, like the lost Welsh tribe, is probably a bit more mythic.
I’m also familiar with the Los Angeles’ Indian Community. I’ve been to poetry readings at the Southern California Indian Center out on Wilshire.
And you are quite right–Ibrahim itace muhammed and his coreligionists would be nothing but oppressive and murderous towards Native Americans.
The only reason he mentions them at all is in the hope that making Americans feel guilty that he can get them to roll over for Islam.
granddaddy says
“In China Everyone is Free to Practice His Religion”
I have to say, the Chinese have their heads on straight with this one. I’d like to see one of these Chinese “Qurans”. There can’t be much of it left after you take out all the anti-infidel message. What’s a Muslim to do if he can’t hate infidels? (dogs, they can still hate dogs). They can’t even keep up with the Chinese birth rate. And where’s all the boo-hoo-hoo-ing from the Left’s social justice warriors? I never thought I’d say this, but let there be more Chinese. Politics really does make strange bedfellows.
Chand says
“Chinese are, in stark contrast to the fearful and appeasement-minded West, unafraid to come down hard on Islam.”
Yes. And to be fair, they, following Marxism-Leninism in theory, come down hard on ALL religions. But this only seems possible in a one Communist Party ruled country. The West is caught in its own liberal-democratic ethos. How can it follow China. No communist revolution, no crackdown on religions.
gravenimage says
Chand is doing two things here–firstly, claiming that no one can defend against Jihad unless they oppress *all* faiths, not matter how benignant.
Then, he is claiming that no one can defend against Jihad unless they are embrace another form of tyranny.
But then, this is no surprise coming from the Muslim apologist. *Ugh*.
Ben Bow says
Chna is ABSOLUTELY correct . . . Muslims sneer at those who believe in ‘ NATO’ diplomacy i,e No Action Talk Only. Muslims only take heed when one speaks from a position of strength, otherwise Muslims IMPOSE Islam on those who bow their heads and bare their necks (i.e. Europe). To ‘deal ‘ with Muslims one must have an iron fist in a velvet glove . . . or as Teddy Roosevelt said ” Speak softly but carry a big stick. That is how to earn the respect of Muslims. The Chinese know what they are doing . . .and doing it well.Proof? Observe how Pakistan is cowed into submission by a mighty China- the very epitome of an iron fist in a velvet glove.
alex dennison says
Having watched the actions of Muslims in the West for many years, I now believe that China is doing the right thing for their country. They will not allow the things that happen in the West to occur in China. I just wish that Western countries would watch and learn, but I don’t hold out much hope.
joe camelteau says
China has created a society where people fear government and worship money. There is no morality. They have all but exterminated traditional Chinese values.
Uighurs and Tibetans are viewed as sub-human and disrespected by everyone. China is capable of a global takeover. When they accomplish this, there will be no room on the planet for other races. All non-Chinese will be exterminated quietly and efficiently. The only way to stop them or slow them down is an ongoing war with Russia. America’s smartest move at this p[oint is to drive a wedge between China and Russia to get the battle going. The Chinese road through Central Asia (former USSR republics) may spark the Russian paranoia. All those countries will fall under the Chinese economic sphere and valuable resources will be extracted. Pakistan is in bed with China because India is China’s main rival today. The suppression of Muslims in China today will be exposed to the Muslim world as that Central Asian road opens up. The best thing to happen is massive Islamic terrorism in China and against Chinese interests globally. Islam is a very unorganized religion that prevails mostly in poor third world countries. China is highly organized, efficient, homogeneous and represents 25% of the planet’s population. China is the threat. Lets see a China watch site to inform people what is happening where it counts!
gravenimage says
“joe camelteau” wrote:
The best thing to happen is massive Islamic terrorism in China and against Chinese interests globally…
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Right–the best thing is Jihad against the filthy Infidels.
Try again, “joe camelteau”…