What could possibly go wrong? To keep him in prison would be “Islamophobic.”
“‘I’m not an extremist’: Aboriginal man who ‘converted to Islam after being radicalised in maximum-security terror unit’ is granted bail despite allegedly planning to blow up a shopping centre,” Daily Mail Australia, July 10, 2018:
An Aboriginal man who ‘converted to Islam’ in jail and allegedly said he believes he will get ’72 virgins in heaven’ if he dies in a terror attack has been granted bail despite allegedly planning to blow up shoppers.
Greg Ceissman allegedly threatened to blow up Bankstown Shopping Centre and attack Marrickville Police station in Sydney while behind bars….
Ceissman insisted he was not a terrorist while he was outside court on Monday.
He described his monitoring conditions as ‘overboard’.
‘They have gone too far…it doesn’t make sense. It is not fair one bit,’ he said.
Ceissman was freed on bail in the NSW Supreme Court on June 28 after Justice Stephen Rothman found any potential risk to the community could be managed, AAP reported.
He’s accused of saying he would shoot as many police officers as he could and that if he was killed during an attack he’d get 72 virgins in heaven.
However, Ceissman was not charged with a terror offence, and denied making the comments or having extremist views….
jack cade says
Walk-abouts aren’t planners of note.
Andy says
Patriots need to stand together now, more than ever!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xit_iTTWs5Y
Jack Holan says
Your statement is a certainty. The established political structure underestimates the loyalty of Patriot Citizens against those who seek to undermind the G-d given Rights Articulated in Englis Speaking Countriies. From the Colonialists to the governing Majestys Flunkies at the time “Dont Tread On Me”. Ms May start listening! Its also known how ghe Queen abhores you and if younger you would be the fist elected government thrown out by the monarchy
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
EXTREME? WHO? ME? Nah! I’m a normal Muslim who reads AND believes K.8.60 (TERRORISE THEM) and K.9.5 (SLAY THE INFIDELS WHEREVER THEY ARE).
Mohammed killed 800 Jewish men at a MARKET PLACE, so why not just murder DIRTY KAFIRS at the SHOPPING MALL IN IMITATION of MOHAMMED, the god of Muslims.
Imitating Mohammed is not EXTREME nor an aberration, but NORMATIVE ISLAM, isn’t it?
(sarc/off)
In order to coexist, Muslim must PRETEND they DO NOT UNDERSTAND 60% of the HATE SPEECH in the Koran.
Yes, 60% of the Koran is HATE SPEECH.
GP says
One thing is sure….the Australian Federal Police will be tailing this guy and intercepting every phone call, email etc. They don’t take to kindly to threats towards their own. They must get as frustrated as we do that these judges and lawyers let these extremists and criminals out on bail or parole.
Frank Anderson says
GP, please recognize that lawyers make arguments. Judges make decisions. If the lawyer fails to make an argument that is within the bounds of his duty as an advocate, which is demanded by the client, the lawyer is subject to discipline, and a conviction could be reversed for “ineffective assistance of counsel”.
A really good case to see this appeal issue presented is Nix v. Whiteside, 475 U.S. 157 (1986), which is a US Supreme Court case that may or may not apply (be followed) in Australian courts.
It is up to the prosecuting lawyer to make counter-arguments that bring up any errors or legal defects in the defense lawyer’s (sales) pitch, and to appeal the judge’s decision if there is error. Still not a picture that inspires confidence at this time. .
J D S says
If nothing else the Judge should have had him placed in the kuku house for observation.
Frank Anderson says
This is the kind of failure of the legal system that took place in Germany as the Communists tried to take over immediately after WWI. As long as law enforcement is ineffective, whether downright stupid, corrupt or openly sympathetic, it is collaborating to abandon citizens to violence and oppression. Lawful responses must be found before unlawful responses become the only ones available.
gravenimage says
Again–with respect–I don’t think that the rise of the Nazis was the only way for Germans to respond to Communist violence.
But yes, Frank–we need to demand actual enforcement of the law by Western authorities.
carpediadem says
The Australian legal system -especially in Victoria – is very fond of putting dangerous people back on the streets. This is typical, sadly.
Frank Anderson says
Please understand my proposition: I am not saying the only available response to the failure of a legal system to uphold law in the face of violence is Nazism. I am saying, as an example and illustration, that the Post WWI Communist chaos and violence combined with the failure of law enforcement gave rise to extra legal (outside normal law enforcement) groups, gangs or mobs who took the place of ineffective law enforcement. These mobs ultimately coalesced around the Nazis because of the effectiveness of Hitler as a speaker and the absence of any other speaker who could compete in the “market”.
I make this proposition to emphasize the need to replace ineffective and collaborative law enforcement with true and effective people who will first obey the law personally and immediately following require all others to obey and uphold the law. Once Hitler took power there was no longer any opportunity to have any semblance of legal rights, duties or liberties. Every Storm Trooper became a law unto himself, free to beat, arrest, murder and pillage with sanction from the government. “But at least the Communists weren’t rioting any more.” With Greatest Respect for the law, GI and all who wish to see liberty in the company of the law. The longer it takes to realize the need for devoted and honest law enforcement, the harder it will be to bring it back.
gravenimage says
I want us to consistently enforce our civilized laws, Frank.
And I consider the Nazis to have been as bad as the Communists.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I agree with you on both counts. That is the reason I suggest urgency in seeking a third alternative in the form of replacing collaborators and ineffective law enforcement. I think there is a limited period where that third choice is available.
Frank Anderson says
GI, supplemental-If we look at what the Nazis and Communists did in their respective parts of Poland in 1939, they both immediately collected and exterminated potential “troublemakers”. I think both of us would qualify. I would not like that at all. We need to keep “them” from winning to see what happens next.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Frank.
KJW says
Frank, you’re right. I was watching a long video on migration in Europe and the globalists’ plans. It is horrible how short of prison sentences were given to rapists and some only got community service!
This is not to mention all the jihadists western countries let back in after they were in terrorist groups. The no-go zones in Sweden are really bad; the proliferation of migrant gangs on Europe, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, etc. is bad and citizens don’t feel safe doing things they used to do. The police have been often useless.
The globalists don’t care, obviously, that with all these problems they still keep letting more in. I don’t think they care that natives die as long as they get their power. Yes, a breakdown in the justice system, letting a guy like this out on bail, is more anarchy…chaos to order. It is also demoralizing citizens and I think if and when things get worse they expect that people will accept anything to make it stop and be compliant peons willing to lose rights.
Frank Anderson says
KJW, I see 3 possible choices and hope there could be more:
1) The situation continues as it is leading to the total collapse of civilized society under islam.
2) Enough people both demanding and voting to re-establish law.
3) Upon the failure of #2 to happen in a timely manner, the surrender to tyrannical rule to stop the violence and chaos that is now building.
In my opinion that is what happened in Germany to bring the Nazis into power. Will we let it happen again? Once any mob gets in power the whole concept of law, liberty and rights dies.
gravenimage says
Anti-Jihadists are often accused of being Nazis, but this is usually just a slur without basis.
Frank Anderson says
GI, do you see a little irony that jihadists follow Mein Kampf, one of the best-sellers to this day in their part of the world, while they accuse those who oppose them as being Nazis? How about Antifa(cists) who are really fascists? Newspeak is alive and well. War is Peace? Slavery is Freedom? Lies are Truth? I wonder how George Orwell would feel about his prophetic writing?
gravenimage says
Agreed, Frank–Muslims hate Infidels, but make an exception for one of the most evil men in history, and Mein Kampf is a perennial bestseller in the Muslim world., *Very* telling.
Jay says
Next we will be reading about Australians being scraped off walls with shovels and we’ll be told there might be a danger of “backlash” against the humble devout moslems. All very predictable these days.
utis says
I was sick of the “back to the Stone Age” trend in Hippie times. Now, I just want to say that anyone, of whatever religious or ethnic origin, who does not like modern Western civilization, can just take off their Adidas and other garb, lose the ear-buds and I-phone, and haul their “squatters” out to some natural area untouched by Iron Age agriculture or any later technology, and live their lives in peace — far away from the rest of us.
No Muzzies Here says
Recent converts are enthusiastic about their new religion, and spend a lot of energy to get to know it better and to put into practice the commands of their new-found religion. When conversions to a particular religion seem to produce more bombings than conversions to another religion, it behooves one to inquire into the teachings of the violence-inducing religion.
mortimer says
Has Greg Ceissman been DEPROGRAMMED or is he still a WALKING THREAT TO SOCIETY and a TIME-BOMB that can go off at ANY TIME?
Unless they have SEEN THE ERRORS OF ISLAM and LEFT ISLAM, Muslims are always walking TIME-BOMBS that can be ARMED at ANY TIME.
Most Muslims do not wish to become killers, so they wait as long as possible and avoid as long as possible to join the jihad. Few actually volunteer. The VOLUNTEERS ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, but we NEVER KNOW which Muslim has secretly stood forward to VOLUNTEER for jihad.
WE KNOW that Greg Ceissman has actually VOLUNTEERED FOR JIHAD. He is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
Why does the JUDGE NOT KNOW THIS? Is the judge TOTALLY UNINFORMED ABOUT JIHAD?
gravenimage says
I wouldn’t want to count on his being “deprogrammed”.
mortimer says
My questions are for lawyers and judges and politicians.
Why release someone who BELIEVES in the verses K.8.60 and K.9.5 and who BELIEVES he has responsibility to CARRY THEM OUT?
Will he not eventually CARRY OUT ALLAH’S COMMANDMENTS?
Frank Anderson says
The judges, lawyers and other politicians have been programed to collaborate. Perhaps if they have been programed once, they can be deprogramed? I’m still not clear on deprograming but recognize and respect your commitment to the concept.
gravenimage says
Australia: Man converts to Islam in prison, threatens to blow up shopping center, is granted bail
………………………
More suicidal insanity.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I suggest that suicide is an individual’s decision to end “his” own life. Murder is when one or more decide to end lives that are not their own. This judge, and all who follow the example displayed, are aiding murder. This case is in Australia. In the US “The knowledge of one is the knowledge of all. The acts of one are the acts of all. It is not necessary for each participant to know all the details of the plan, or to participate in every act. All are guilty.” paraphrasing United States v. Gary Greenough, 609 F.Supp 1090, 1093-94 (S.D. Ala. 1985)
gravenimage says
Hi Frank. I wasn’t referring to suicide bombing (or homicide bombing, the term I prefer) as suicide here–I meant that releasing this Jihadist is suicidal on the part of the Australian authorities.
Frank Anderson says
I did not suggest the rise of the Nazi’s was the only possible response. I do contend that when law enforcement fails, there will be an unlawful response. German law enforcement utterly failed to control Communist violence. Present law enforcement in many countries today fails to respond to Islam’s stated and practiced plans for violence. Not sure of the origin of the quote, “A problem well stated is half solved”. As long as the teachings and practice of 1400 years is passed off as mental illness, nothing will be done to stop it.
Frank Anderson says
The judge can decide to kill himself. That is suicide. When the judge decides to aid in the killing of others through release of a person who plans and intends to kill that is murder. Under US law, which may or may not be similar to Australian law, anyone who “aids, abets, counsels or acts in furtherance of a crime is equally guilty.” 18 United States Code Section 2. The judge is aiding, abetting and acting through the release of a killer in the making from custody so that he is free to pursue his intentions. It doesn’t matter if people are killed by bombs, motor vehicles, poison, knives, bottles, guns or falls from tall buildings, the unlawful killing of a person other than yourself is some category of homicide, not suicide.
gravenimage says
Frank, I meant that much of what is happening in the West is societal suicide–it certainly is not based on self preservation or a defense of our values.
I didn’t mean that this specific judge was actually hoping his actions would lead to the murder of Australians. I doubt he is giving it that much thought, and would probably be horrified at the suggestion. But this is indeed what this sort of thing is apt to lead to–it has happened before.
Frank Anderson says
GI, suicide is when one decides it is time to end his/her own life. Murder is when one decides to end another person’s life absent “justification, mitigation or excuse.” I suggest that societal suicide, the agreement of a whole community that all should die is rarely found in history, such as Masada and the Seri Indians on Tiburon Island. The judge should be horrified at his active participation in a killer in the making completing his plan to murder any number of people. Just as voters should think of the consequences of elections, judges are supposed to consider *all* of the consequences of a decision. Either the judge is a fool not qualified to sit on the bench or he is a collaborator seeking the death of those who he is supposed to protect.
TWG says
Stephan Rothman should be criminally and financially responsible WHEN this jihadi takes action.
Take everything that POS islammunist judge owns, transfer the proceeds to his victims, and throw the MoFu in the slammer for life. Preferably in the same cell block as some of the most hardened criminals he’s thrown in there.
pumbar says
Australia is finished.
gravenimage says
There are still a lot of patriotic Australians.
kouldb says
We don’t need to worry too much about him. He’ll be too inebriated to be able to do any such thing the minute his released. Or high on petrol fumes. Meanwhile. What a brilliant way of disabling Islam in Australia. Just flood it with Aboriginies. They’ll soon bring everyone undone. Bah hahahaha!!