“The judge cited the fact that Hajj Solomon is from a different cultural background from the six complainants as a reason to call into question their identification of him.”
So you see, they weren’t really sexually assaulted. They just were suffering from a case of “Islamophobia.”
That’s justice in Justin Trudeau’s Canada.
An update on this story. “NOT GUILTY verdict in Edmonton Mall sex assault case; victims’ families in tears,” by Sheila Gunn Reid, Rebel Media, July 6, 2018 (thanks to Kathy Shaidle):
Not guilty on all 12 charges. That’s the decision from Judge Joyce Lester in the trial of Soleiman Hajj Soleiman in Edmonton this morning.
Hajj Soleiman, a 40-year-old Syrian and father of six who came to Canada December, 2015 was accused of six counts of sexual assault and six counts of sexual interference after a series of gropings and molestations in the West Edmonton Mall World Waterpark in February, 2017.
The complainants, six girls age 13 to 15, accused Hajj Solomon of sexually touching them in the wave pool….
The judge cited the fact that Hajj Solomon is from a different cultural background from the six complainants as a reason to call into question their identification of him….
Jaladhi says
So this judge is saying Muslims commit sexual assaults in their culture and its no big deal and therefore we can’t punish him buy our standards even though he is living here. What a moron judge – justice is not equally applied to all and Muslims should always be given a free pass.
Valkyrie says
In this case, I’m pretty sure that “different cultural background” means “different race”, when translated from Progressive-ese into English.
bob kelly says
trudeau likely called the judge, there is no way that 6 girls and some other witnesses testimony can
be pushed aside and discredited. Watch this judges career for next couple of years.
I hope they appeal it
Frank Anderson says
I have no reasonable doubt that Canada is different from the US. In the US prosecutors generally practice in front of the same judges every day. It really irritates a judge to appeal his decisions. The prosecutors’ careers depend more than anything else on their rate of convictions, not the “justice” they achieve. There should be no reasonable doubt that this judge displaying this measure of prejudgment would retaliate at every opportunity until removed from the bench. I cannot see the spineless people in the prosecutor’s office putting every attorney’s future at risk for one case. They along with the judge and all others are part of the collaborators who will refuse to speak for, much less protect, real Canadians against invaders.
Jeff says
The one big difference is judges are appointed not elected and a judge is put into a revolving cycle so that judge might not see that prosecutor for some time.and if appealed it will go in front of a higher court judge.in Canada you see lots of prosecutors appeal.
Frank Anderson says
THANK YOU for the better information. From my experience the whole office of prosecutors works under a “district attorney” and in the case of federal courts, the Attorney General, who must approve any action to prosecute or appeal. If a judge gets “unhappy” in a fit of unprofessional rage the whole office can suffer. I spent most of my practice, not terribly successful, in front of 2 judges, appealing them both 3 times each, once all the way to the Circuit Court of Appeals. When I retired, the fees allowed to lawyers handling the same kind of cases I was handling more than doubled, and have increased more since. At least they were polite while the court reporter or recorder were working. Some things are worth more than money,.
Hunter says
True words brother
Helen says
Our Country of Canada ?? is becoming a dictatorship and we had better get rid of Trudeau before it proceedes any further.
Frank Anderson says
Helen, I had the honor and privilege of visiting the Vancouver BC area for 4 months many years ago. A number of people extended great hospitality. I would not take on myself any claim to tell Canadians what they should do with their country. It is the choice of Canadians whether to continue on the path of conquest and slaughter or to resist. The same thing is starting here where it is my place to have my view, and I don’t want the US to be destroyed. There is some disagreement over the historical parallel I see with the present and Germany, particularly in the period from 1919, when the Red Republic (Communists) took over Munich only to be dealt with by various opponents. At that time Communists used chaos as their tool of conquest. Hitler did not make his first public speech for the German Workers Party until 1920, and did not write Mein Kampf’s first volume until he was in prison in 1923-24. The invasion by people who have no respect or concern for the rights and laws of the hosts is the source of the current chaos and violence. Either the law enforcement must step up and perform its duty, or something else will take its place. I hope elections will cause the needed changes for a lawful and law abiding society.
Tanya says
I sure hope so!! I am speechless and my heart goes out to those poor little girls.
I am so angry about this despicable person and our justice system!
Sam D says
This couldn’t be happening in Canada … isn’t Canada the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave? Oh, wait – I’m mixing up my North American Democracies.
Lucy Straw says
No. We are the land of “True Patriot Love in all of us command”.
Andy says
Running Interference for Trudeau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUtXZQoH3cE
J D S says
This Canadian judge has caught the “JUNIOR DISESDE” and there I’d no cure for it…At least it appears there I’d no cure…unless the Ballot Box medicine can be used to cure Junior if so the JUNIOR Disease will go away.
a says
STOP TRUDEAU!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36E9ROe-cZA&list=RD36E9ROe-cZA&t=12
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
No. Very clearly the judge did not say that. The judge said it was an issue of *identification*. The girls are of a different cultural group than that of the accused perpetrator and that this makes it more difficult to make a correct identification. The judge’s statement is a stretch of the theory, yet to be conclusively proven, that people have trouble with face recognition of an individual outside their racial group. Note that the judge stretched this theory to use it in regards to a “cultural group” and not “race.” This judgement would probably not stand up to an appeal. To my mind, she, the judge, was looking for any possible reasons to shore up her tenuous ‘reasonable doubt.’
It must be said that the headline to this story, “Canada: In acquitting Muslim accused of multiple sexual assaults, judge cites his “different cultural background”” is slightly misleading.
Oliver Dacat says
Cultural difference was not even an issue, it was inconsistencies in the evidence that lead to a dismissal of the charges.
The judge did state something did occur, but based on the evidence given, and the weak insinuations made of conspiracy in the direction of the accusers.
Put enough reasonable doubt in the judges mind that a conviction would be an injustice to the accused
Joe Fabeetz says
So TWELVE girls couldn’t recognize him? TWELVE? Do.you HONESTLY believe 12 girls couldn’t recognize a man who groped them and grabbed their privates? I’m sorry, but if twelve people accused you of the same crime , wouldn’t it sound a bit beyond “reasonable doubt”? This was a bullsh** decision by a muslim-supporter judge.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Nope again. Watch Gunn’s report. The primary problem was *identification*. And the judge, according to Gunn, explained it with “cultural differences” that made identification difficult.
There was also a problem with inconsistencies in the girls testimony in that they met to share stories.
concerned canadian says
what difference does it make …”cultural difference”on the girls or him??
how come there was no police line up????
how was “the accused” charged by police with such “confusion” on identity????
and now its the victims who comped the case because they talked to each other?????….THEY ARE TEENAGE GIRLS WHO GOT FONDLED BY A CREEP!!!……of course they are going to talk!!!…..this is b#llshit!!
Michel Hébert says
That judge is a crackpot and asshole !…He’s wrong by constitution and common law !…In Canada, a crime is a crime and all citizens are equals !…The sentence should be retracted and this man should be judge again !…There’s no other way to solve this situation !…
Susan says
Here is her contact info. I suggest everyone on here give her a call and express your views. I am sure she will welcome the feedback. http://www.canadianlawlist.com/listingdetail/contact/joyce-lester-664240/
Frank Anderson says
Susan, direct contact (“fan mail”) with any judge in the US and almost certainly Canada is a great mistake. Please consult a lawyer who is currently licensed and practicing in your jurisdiction for legal advice before you risk contempt action from the judge and obstruction of justice charges under criminal law. If a complaint needs to be made, it should go to the Canadian equivalent of a judicial inquiry commission after a full and careful reading of its rules.
alex says
So if someone from a cannibalistic culture immigrates to Canada and murders and eats a Canadian person, then that immigrant should be acquitted simply because he or she is from a “different culture”? Isn’t it the responsibilty of immigrants and even foreign visitors, temporary workers and students to learn about local cultural norms and laws *before* they move to or visit a new country? Moreover, wasn’t this man supposedly vetted by the Canadian government before he moved to Canada?
Lee says
Crappy Sharia Who need this!
Tom Noyb says
What in God’s name was going on in that Judge’s HEAD? Maybe she’s hoping to meet him at the pool herself? Canada – already the law is being changed to better suit them than us. We have to stand up for ourselves soon or we are done!
gravenimage says
This judge *is* an idiot–but the idea that she wants to be raped by a pedophile Muslim is pretty disgusting.
Karen Lyons says
Just because he is a Muslim he is going to get away with sexually assaulting women and children, yet a Canadian who does this will get charged and go to jail. That judge needs to be fired. What in the hell kind of a woman is this judge. If she has a daughter I hope that she gets sexually assaulted because her mother says it is alright because he is a muslim! What a sick bitch. Just saying. I really don’t wish that on any woman or child. i am just so sick and tired of these politicians who are TRAITORS to all Canadians.
Susie Hyde says
This is SO outrageous!! This is why people do not want these people swarming into our country! Our ancestors who came here wanted to live our values, these people do not! They want us to change to their values or lack thereof!! We cannot allow this to happen!! This judge need to be remived from the bench! She does not represent The People!!
George says
This judge had better hope that this Muslim rappist or one like him don”t attack someone that. you love or care about!!!!
This behavior should have been a life sentence for this piece of crap.
This may be something that is acceptable in their countries but is barbaric behavior in our country and in Canada.
Shame on you judge for your terrible judgement and your barbaric excuse for making such a decision that will allow him or his fellow rappist to continue this behavior.
Micheal Proulx says
The Liberal Government needs to be voted out come next election before they allow more illegal immigrants into our country to secure the vote for them. They are more concern with their political agenda than to see Justice served. When you go into another country you abide by the laws of that country, is that so hard to understand for these leftists twisted morons.
Hunter says
You should know the laws of our land and are guilty no matter where you are from. The judge either had evidence or not and clearly there was some need for this man to face re education or jail. This is a joke
Benedict says
“A policy of multiculturalism was officially adopted by the Government of Canada under Pierre Trudeau during the 1970s and 1980s.The Canadian federal government has been described as the instigator of multiculturalism as an ideology because of its public emphasis on the social importance of immigration. – Wiki. – – –
So how then can Hajj Solomon be from a different cultural background?
Kay says
Is the judge saying that to the girls “they all look alike?” Or is that what she thinks? What a ridiculous defense!
melek-ric says
Yes, this adds a very interesting twist to the entire case. I’m sure that pool was full of other men from “different cultural backgrounds” – Swedes, Poles, Britons, Czechs, Icelanders galore. By her statement, the judge is tacitly acknowledging in PC lingo that there were several other men from the same RACE as Soleiman in the pool, which therefore may have led to potential confusion over identity; if Soleiman were the only man of his appearance there, how could the girls have misidentified or confused him with anyone else?
I’ll re-post an earlier comment:
Did it not occur to the police and court that there may have been two assailants, given the popularity of “al-taharrush al-jinsi” in many Islamic cultures? Were there other Middle Eastern men in the pool at the same time? Was that even investigated, or would it have been considered racial profiling and thus inadmissible in court? We simply don’t know, and never will know, whether a proper investigation was done and therefore whether justice has been served in this case.
doug says
Didn’t know that being Syrian or muslim is a ‘race’. muslim is not a race, islam is not a race. This seems to be something more left leaning peoplekind cannot understand, this so called ‘judge’ just proved it.
gravenimage says
+1
Al says
That what it looks and sounds like to me
Tom Noyb says
This woman has NO right to be called a JUDGE. She doesn’t have the capability to judge right from wrong!
Kay says
Seriously, I feel for the poor girls. First the violation of the assaults, then the difficult public period which must have seemed like being assaulted repeatedly . . . and would only have seemed worth the pain of it if there had been some justice, some hope that other girls in the future would be safer.
But they were a sports team, right? Maybe thay can come to see it as a match that had a terrible ref, one that will soon get kicked out of the league. And they know and their supporters know the truth.
Tom says
There is NO justice in the Canadian Criminal Justice system. Talking with a lawyer friend on numerous occasions it has become apparent to me that it is not about justice or even ensuring that the “right thing” is done, but it is simply all about winning at any cost.
Add the current political climate into the mix and we end up with the kind of judicial nonsense seen in this decision.
Older Canadian says
And/or the criminal had a disadvantged childhood, education, or whatever the SJW’s are crying about currently.
Almira says
Canada May face even greater problems when the native Canadians realize there is to be no justice for them when the perpetrator is Muslim. Citizens who don’t feel secure are nor likely to resort to and support vigilante justice. Based on this latest ruling and others in the recent past vigilante justice is the ONLY justice Canadians are likely to receive. This ruling also clarifies the dhimmie status of Non Muslim Canadians .
Tom Noyb says
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT and I can assure you that I will not be waiting for some pathetic excuse for a “judge” to deal her version of “justice” if I see something like that. The perp will have NOT DOUBT what REAL justice looks like!!!
Al says
Running away from my muslim home country to Canada, thinking that I’ve finally coming to a just, civilize, advanced & great country but only to find out these recent years that, Canada under the liberal JT in just a short 2 yrs hv brought the country so low where the preferential treatments especially to the muslim community is truly despicable as if we r turning Canada into my once shitwhole all over again, I’m beyond disappointment….
Older Canadian says
I have heard your complaint from many people who like you came to Canada to eacape all forms of suppression. You have an advantage over most Canadians. Experience is the best teacher. Let your voice be heard to all who will listen. And vote with your wisdom next year.
LR says
Well, Al hang in there…Western countries aren’t perfect. And since we do still have a decent amount of free speech for the most part, despite PC, I like what Older Canadian suggests. Keep speaking up, and writing about your concerns.
Older Canadian says
It sounds as if the judge means, since he is of arab heritage to other races they all look the same. If I am correct then does that not make the judge a bigot?
Each person, regardless of race, has their own face, perhaps some similar features, but not exactly the same unless you are an identical twin. Is that not one of the reasons some countries have banned face coverings.
One giant step forward for diversity. The liberals will be so pleased.
Rick says
My understanding is that subsequent to the groping reports he actually shaved off his beard and got a “normal” hair-cut and regular shaves (as per photos above). – hence any written descriptions reported after event would describe a different view of person – even better than wearing a mask!
Super stupid judge and very bad (biased?) policework!
Richard C de L says
I noticed that he is “haji” Solomon which means he has done the pilgrimage to Mecca. So he is more holy than just your usual moslem. That explains why he previously had a beard which he shaved off for the trial so he wouldn’t look like your usual moslem child molester.
That judge is a total disgrace. How can she live with herself?
gravenimage says
Good point, Richard.
Richard C de L says
I noticed that he is “haji” Solomon which means he has done the pilgrimage to Mecca. So he is more holy than just your usual moslem. That also explains why he previously had a beard which he shaved off for the trial so he wouldn’t look like your usual moslem child molester.
That judge is a total disgrace. How can she live with herself?
Older Canadian says
Lets hope it gets appealed and this “mask” removal is one of the grounds.
If I was a parent of one of these girls I would not accept this verdict as it will never leave the heart and mind of my daughter.
Frank Anderson says
O.C. from my advising many clients, you are correct that the impact of these assaults will never leave. Appeal of a criminal dismissal *in the US* depends in the prosecution and almost never is tried. US appeals courts side with judges in excess of 80 percent of the time; and the trial court judges remember and retaliate against lawyers and their offices that appeal them, whether successful or not. The more productive ways to address this outrage is to change the law and to replace the judge. Changing the law depends on losing the liberal collaborators who promote this invasion through their enactment of laws and approval of judges who will look out for invaders and say to Hell with the “subjects”. “An armed person is a citizen; An unarmed person is a subject.” As Canadians are now legally unarmed, and have no constitution that is written and hard to modify, their legal rights can be changed or taken away by simple act of the parliament. Looks like a real good time to change.
emma says
in that case, mohammad shafia, from afghanistan, and was living in montreal, had killed his 3 daughters in an honor killing and also killed his first wife because his second wife hated having her around, should also have been acquitted.
Tom Noyb says
Hey – he probably will with the way things are going!!
Westman says
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(ficticious) “Clothing maker______ announced today a new line of women’s swimming suits containing a zip lining that holds an indelible stamp used to “tag” sexual deviants for later identification.”
(fictitous news) “A man described as “Asian” was acquitted this morning of all charges related to a swimming pool incident when it was discovered that the 10 “abuser” stamps on his body did not identify a specific victim. Ten girls were seen leaving the courtroom in tears.”
elee says
Their world or ours? Their laws or ours?
In the eyes of this Canadian judge kafir women are helal.
If that is the world you desire, rejoice.
Tom says
Welcome to the great Canadian Criminal Justice system. Pioneered by one Trudeau and championed by another.
This system has become a travesty of justice in Canada.
utis says
I notice the reigning Trudeau (NEVER VOTE IN DYNASTIES!) has his own#MeToo problems. As usual, he’s in total denial about his own wrong-doing. I can’t stand self-labeled “feminists.”
Older Canadian says
Yes he has. Only difference is that he admitted to being “forward” when he apologized the next day. Why it stopped there, or what was done, no one most likely will ever know.
somehistory says
This fool “judge” is saying the girls are prejudiced against him as a molsim and made the accusations because he is not like them. She’s saying that if it had been a non moslim creep who molested them, she would have found him guilty.
She is a total ignoramous if she thinks no one can discern her true feelings are not in line with justice. She let the evil son of a demon go free because of his religion and not because the girls were mistaken in their accusations.
He deserves harsh punishment and so does she. He should lose his freedom and his kids, and she should lose her seat and her freedom and be made to make a public apology to the girls. and monetary restitution also.
He is slime and she is a slime-enabler.
True Justice will soon find both of them, and all of the others like them.
Frank Anderson says
Somehistory, does this kind of collaboration, corruption and deliberate ignorance belong on a judge’s bench anywhere? People need to decide whether this will continue like it is to get worse, or to change. Nothing improves on its own.
mortimer says
Judge Joyce Lester is clearly a REVERSE RACIST, who does not believe white girls because they are white girls.
We suspect Judge Joyce Lester would have believed a Muslim girl who brought the same evidence.
This puts the legal profession into a serious credibility problem.
Judge Joyce Lester has undermined her own credibility and that of the courts.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, a racist is a racist is a racist. I suggest that “undermined” is too polite: A more appropriate word, in my opinion, would be “destroyed”.
Older Canadian says
The label reverse racist implies that only white people are capable of racism. Racism has always been a problem with humans, for as long as history has been documented. This term is now used by the PC crowd to dominate the minority race of this world, which has always been a minority, which is the white race.
Frank Anderson says
O.C., I think you are entirely correct, that the racist label has been hypocritically reserved for white people by the real racists. Take a look at any “Black” or “Colored” group. Change their governing documents to replace their self-descriptions with the word “white” and watch the fireworks. (White Student Union, 100 White Men. . .). If racism by whites is evil, so is racism by all others. As long as racism is nothing more than a ticket to demonstrate, riot, and destroy society, it will be promoted by the real racists who get well-paid for their efforts. Calling racism by its correct name, *racism* is just as necessary as calling islam by its true name instead of its false name “radical islam”. There is no sense in hiding and confusing the true nature of the enemy of liberty.
utis says
At least if the judge had said cultural differences made the accused feel the girls were open for anything, she would have been biased, but by some kind of brainwashing in Anthro 101. Instead, she’s making a judgement based on her reading the girls’ minds. That’s not law; that’s playing psychic.
If Canadians can vote for their judges, vote the bitch out at the next chance. She is too full of hersel and her own prejudices to be an impartial competent judge.
Frank Anderson says
utis, I suggest this is the kind of corrupt, useless enforcement of law, not just incompetent but actively collaborating, that led to the rise of Nazism in response to Communism in Germany. What other choice was available then and there? And what other choice exists now? Either a third, law-abiding and law enforcing alternative must be created, or history will repeat. At what cost?
gravenimage says
Frank, the Nazis were not some sort of reasonable response to Communism. In fact, Fascism had its roots in Socialism and Communism.
And no–we don’t have to become Fascists in order to defend against Islam.
Hitler was actually a fan of Islam.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I have studied German history since early high school years, almost 55 years. I am well aware of the favor Hitler and especially Himmler felt for islam, which was an active part of the Holocaust. The issue is not what was the origin of Nazism, but what drove otherwise non-Nazi Germans into their hands. I think it is well portrayed both in writing and in many interviews that there was no third choice. Recognizing the absence of any alternative then is important to seeing the need now for a third choice of lawful resistance to be found now. The failure of German law enforcement to stop the violence of Communist gangs aided public support for the violence of Nazi gangs. The current failure of law enforcement encourages the formation of illegal vigilante responses, which can translate into the complete loss of any concept of “legal rights”.
gravenimage says
Frank, I have also studied Fascism and the lead up to WWII at some length.
The idea that there was no alternative for Germans but to embrace the horrors of Fascism as some sort of hideous counterbalance to the ugliness of Communism is just mistaken. Ultimately, Fascism is not much different from Communism–both are brutal, unfree creeds.
I do feel sympathy for decent Germans once the Nazis consolidated their power, though. Then they were really trapped.
The implication that Germans face the same sort of choice in Germany today is, I believe, equally mistaken.
There are those of us here who oppose Islam not on a whim, but because we do not support the crushing of freedom or any totalitarian creed. We actually support freedom.
Frank Anderson says
GI, as an example, there are several interviews in the first segment (hour more or less) of the BBC series Nazis: A Warning from History, that describe by participants and eyewitnesses the choice they faced, and the deceptions practiced by the Nazis to get them into the fold. I *never* wrote that the choice was “reasonable” between Nazis and Communists. But whether you have studied this era longer, more intensely or more competently than I or not, where was any third choice available, reasonable or not? The only one I have been able to see is escape and start over with nothing. Having been forced by my own experience with total state corruption to take that option in order to survive, the option stinks, but beats death.
At present many countries are caught in a law enforcement system that is either failing or outright collaborating in its duty to uphold the law and enforce it as written. The drum beat of legal system collaboration is being matched by the institutional collaboration of many religious groups to promote the downfall of what is considered freedom and liberty. Consider the JW article today concerning the PCUSA General Assembly and Hamas, and the many articles about the Pope and Catholic hierarchy being openly sympathetic with islam as Christians by the thousands are murdered. Also consider the understandable frustration many commenters express with the rotten decisions of courts when moslems attack. What lawful choice is present for those who do not wish to “convert, submit or die”?
Always with respect and best wishes.
gravenimage says
Apologies for the tardy reply, Frank. I had lost track of this thread and ran across it again by happenstance. ( I usually try to keep a record of threads where I have replied to others, but this got lost in the shuffle).
You wrote:
GI, as an example, there are several interviews in the first segment (hour more or less) of the BBC series Nazis: A Warning from History, that describe by participants and eyewitnesses the choice they faced, and the deceptions practiced by the Nazis to get them into the fold.
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Sure–there were good people who were either tricked into joining the Nazis, or later threatened into it. But this says nothing good about Fascism; just the opposite, in fact.
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I *never* wrote that the choice was “reasonable” between Nazis and Communists. But whether you have studied this era longer, more intensely or more competently than I or not, where was any third choice available, reasonable or not? The only one I have been able to see is escape and start over with nothing. Having been forced by my own experience with total state corruption to take that option in order to survive, the option stinks, but beats death.
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Yes–were I in Nazi Germany, I hope I would have recognized the threat early enough–and would have hoped to have had the means–to get out. Failing that, I would have tried to lay as low as possible. I only would have joined the Nazi Party if my family was threatened–and then I would have tried to keep my involvement as cursory as possible.
If I were in a country occupied by the Nazis, I would have joined the resistance. I would not be much of a soldier–but I could probably make counterfeit papers and things like that. I would do what I could.
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At present many countries are caught in a lawerew enforcement system that is either failing or outright collaborating in its duty to uphNaold the law and enforce it as written. The drum beat of legal system collaboration is being matched by the institutional collaboration of many religious groups to promote the downfall of what is considered freedom and liberty. Consider the JW article today concerning the PCUSA General Assembly and Hamas, and the many articles about the Pope and Catholic hierarchy being openly sympathetic with islam as Christians by the thousands are murdered. Also consider the understandable frustration many commenters express with the rotten decisions of courts when moslems attack.
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All of this is grimly true, Frank. I think we have to be as vocal as possible in protesting these injustices.
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What lawful choice is present for those who do not wish to “convert, submit or die”?
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As dire as things are, we are not under Muslim conquest yet anywhere in the West. Again, I will do what I can with our clueless dhimmi authorities, and have done what I can to vote in better leaders.
I also try to spread the word about the threat of Islam. I know I could be doing more in this regard.
I don’t think we are at the point where we have to turn to vigilantism, if this is what you are suggesting. I have not given up on our democratic system yet, as much as some have abused it.
I would flee only as an absolute last resort–I do not want to cede any of our civilized lands to Islam. Also, since I live in the US, if things became that dire here there would be few places left to run to.
I think we still have a good chance, though–it is just that, as with the threat of Fascism, good people are slow to wake to the threat.
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Always with respect and best wishes.
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Same, Frank. I hope you get a chance to read this belated reply.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I think you could be looking later in the Nazi era than I am. I think if we start right at the end of WWI, as the Tsar and his family were slaughtered, along with millions in the “Russian/Soviet Union” civil war between the Reds and Whites, the Red Republic took over Munich. This was 1919. Hitler did not make his first public speech for the German Workers Party until August (?) 1920. It was a year or so later before the name was changed to the National Socialist German Workers Party. Mein Kampf, the first volume, was not written until the 1923-24 prison sentence following the November 9, 1923 “Beer Hall Putsch”. Many groups (more accurately “mobs’) vied for members, some supporting the Communists and their campaign of violence and chaos, that I think should be all too familiar today, while other groups opposed them.
I cannot see myself having any support for the Communists. Opposing this outrageous cult of violence and murder then was just as necessary as opposing it now, Recall the commonly reported account from the 2008 Presidential campaign of a meeting involving an informant and Obama supporter Bill Ayres where the killing of 25,000,000 Americans was discussed. Whether islam and Communism under some other name are allies, or one is using the other as a convenient tool, as Communists thought they could use the Nazis, does not make a difference. If we want a response that does not involve a totalitarian government, this is the time to start working for it. Waiting now could easily put us, if we live long enough, in the same binary choice of totalitarian control the Germans faced in the late 20’s and early 30’s. I am quite sincere when I write to you best wishes and great respect. You make me think; and are a treasure and blessing.
gravenimage says
Thanks so much for your reply, Frank,
You wrote:
GI, I think you could be looking later in the Nazi era than I am. I think if we start right at the end of WWI, as the Tsar and his family were slaughtered, along with millions in the “Russian/Soviet Union” civil war between the Reds and Whites, the Red Republic took over Munich. This was 1919.
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I hate Communism–and there is no doubt that Communists were a violent force in the streets of Germany after WWI, and that the hapless Weimar Republic was pretty inept at doing anything about it.
The Nazi Party’s precursor, the German Workers’ Party, was founded early in 1919. It was already violently nationalistic, anti-capitalist, and antisemitic–from the beginning, it was pretty ugly. Hitler joined later that year.
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Hitler did not make his first public speech for the German Workers Party until August (?) 1920. It was a year or so later before the name was changed to the National Socialist German Workers Party. Mein Kampf, the first volume, was not written until the 1923-24 prison sentence following the November 9, 1923 “Beer Hall Putsch”. Many groups (more accurately “mobs’) vied for members, some supporting the Communists and their campaign of violence and chaos, that I think should be all too familiar today, while other groups opposed them.
I cannot see myself having any support for the Communists.
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Neither would I. The Nazis and Communists were rival groups of thugs, usually battling it out in the streets in Germany early on.
I would not have supported either one of them–just as now I would not be rooting for one or the other in a vicious gang war between the Norteños and the Sureños.
I imagine at that point I would still have been hoping that German democracy would reemerge.
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Opposing this outrageous cult of violence and murder then was just as necessary as opposing it now,
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This is true–but I am not supporting other totalitarians now, either. I don’t want to live under *any* totalitarian regime. This is why I oppose Islam.
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Recall the commonly reported account from the 2008 Presidential campaign of a meeting involving an informant and Obama supporter Bill Ayres where the killing of 25,000,000 Americans was discussed.
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Yes–that was hideous. But I did not react to a plot to slaughter ‘capitalists’ by joining another gang that also wants to kill ‘capitalists’.
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Whether islam and Communism under some other name are allies, or one is using the other as a convenient tool, as Communists thought they could use the Nazis, does not make a difference.
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Certainly, this has happened. The Mullahs in Iran used the Iranian Communist Tudeh Party during the Islamic revolution, then savagely liquidated its members once they had consolidated power there.
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If we want a response that does not involve a totalitarian government, this is the time to start working for it.
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That’s why I support freedom and democracy–and oppose its being warped by appalling dhimmis like the judge above.
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Waiting now could easily put us, if we live long enough, in the same binary choice of totalitarian control the Germans faced in the late 20’s and early 30’s.
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Maybe. Groups like Antifa are apt to characterize Anti-Jihadists as “Nazis” and “Fascists”–but I have rarely found this to be the case.
Of course, it is always important to keep an eye on things–we could wind up caught between a rock and a hard place again. Right now, I consider Islam far and away the worst threat to our freedoms–but I know enough about history to know that things can change very quickly. I try to keep my eyes open–but am well aware that I am *hardly* omniscient.
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I am quite sincere when I write to you best wishes and great respect. You make me think; and are a treasure and blessing.
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Thank you so much, Frank. I always look for your posts, as well. Be well.
Older Canadian says
Judges are appointed by the government. Since the mid sixties dominated by the liberal government.
Agha Ali Arkhan says
Actually, I got the immediate impression that the judge accused the girls of being racist which therefore calls into question the identification and accusation. Y’know, you all didn’t like him near you in the pool ’cause he looked funny.
Alyn Starkman says
What kind of a country have we become when we can no longer protect our children because of a foreigner’s different culture????
gravenimage says
Damn good question, Alyn.
Scott says
A shithole and the left is turning America into a shithole slowly but surely. Libertarians and conservatives are too cowardly to rise up and do anything.
Xero_G says
Truly a sad story; that 6 young girls are all racists!
Sarc/off
Native Jo says
This is a good reason to end multiculturalism and force assimilation immediately.
gravenimage says
Supremacist Muslims will never assimilate.
DHazard says
Islam-o-feelya is on display all over Canada. The governments, local and national, shove compassion for Muslims down everybody’s throat. And nobody wins.
DHazard says
Role reversal – Muslim girl, six white dudes, same judge, 7-10 years.
Jay says
Those dudes would have been subjected to ‘mob justice” by Muslim men well before they faced trial.
Frank Anderson says
Would any in the “mob” ever face judicial justice?
Andy says
Running Interference for Trudeau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUtXZQoH3cE
gravenimage says
Jay, you are mistaken in believing that Islam has a problem with pedophilia or with sexually abusing Infidel girls.
Frank Anderson says
GI, islam has no problem with molesting anyone. See, e.g. A God Who Hates by M.D. Wafa Sultan. Girls or boys, men or women, infidels or “apostates”. Who is left?
gravenimage says
True, Frank.
LR says
Some Muslim men might not have a problem with THEM molesting children, but if an infidel man molested their children….Then yeah, they would have a problem with it, and kill the perp.
Frank Anderson says
LR, please allow me to suggest reading A God Who Hates by M.D. Wafa Sultan. She reports a grisly environment where men have little or no regard for women, especially their daughters. Considering the teachings of islam, which are well-described in summary by Robert Spencer’s Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, the paltry value placed on women by muslim men should come as no surprise. I suspect the only reason that a muslim man might get upset over an infidel, is that he got there first. I hope that is not generally true; but every time I “hope” about anything to do with islam, I am disappointed.
Dum Spiro says
What a miscarriage of justice! Why was this not a trial with a JURY? How can you hear the disturbing details of girls who were fondled and even digitally penetrated and then have the audacity to say to these young victims something like, “Well, maybe because you weren’t sure if his trunks were blue or gray and maybe because you mentioned goggles and we didn’t find any on him or in the waterpark (even though it wasn’t searched that well immediately afterwards), and even though he has shaved and changed his appearance now, y’all can’t be sure all non-white people don’t look the same to y’all with your White Privilege.”
Day 9 of trial (nearly 1 year since event) — MUST SEE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXp1fDpASyE
Day 10 of trial (some graphic, disturbing victim testimony):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSHnnU-Payw
This disgusts me. That accused man required full word for word translation from English to Arabic for the whole trial. It wouldn’t surprise me if he countersued later for pain and suffering for having to go through this. Imagine if some innocent Caucasian male had inadvertently swum blindly next to one of the accused’s daughters and made incidental contact that she then complained about. Remember the whole hijab hoax incident and how much instant national press it got?
Canada needs to wake up and vote in new leadership…
— Spero
Frank Anderson says
D.S., in the Us (probably different in Canada), the prosecution which appears before the judge every day would not want to “offend” the judge by requesting a jury. It is up to the defense. In this case it is obvious where the judge’s bias is placed; so why would the defense want to take it away from the favorable judge who has had plenty of time before the trial to disclose where she stands. If a jury were empaneled, in the US, and rendered a verdict the judge did not like, there could be by that judge’s order a new trial or an acquittal outright (judgment notwithstanding the verdict). Bad judges need to be replaced.
gravenimage says
I am no expert on this, but I have *never* heard of a judge in the US just throwing out a verdict he did not like.
Frank Anderson says
At the end of the prosecution’s case, the defendant makes a motion to dismiss for failure to present a “prima facie” case, that is legally sufficient to support a conviction. This motion is usually denied, but preserves the ability for the defendant to file a motion for judgment notwithstanding the verdict if a jury convicts. It’s more of a dance required by the Rules of Civil and Criminal Procedure to give additional grounds for an appeal. In civil cases, between private parties, usually for damages, the same dance applies. It is known that when a jury brings back an excessive verdict, the motion will give the judge the opportunity to offer a choice of a new trial or reduced damage award. Judges do a lot of things that to non-lawyers appear “strange” but which have existed for hundreds or even a thousand years in the way court is conducted. Remember, the Common Law system originated approximately 1066 with William the Conqueror, aka “Bill the Bastard” and has worked unchanged in basic form ever since in many countries. The titles of the sections of the Rules of Civil Procedure are helpful in finding the specific rules I have described. Also, I believe I have used the correct name of the motions so that they can be searched. Judges have thrown out verdicts and convictions.
Giacomo Latta says
It is up to the defendant to pick trial by judge or jury. If you are left leaning you go for the judge because ordinary people have not been to univerity to get corrupted by Marxist BS.
Michael Copeland says
Canadian girls, like girls in Germany, can no longer go safely to a public pool. This case makes it worse.
Joy Thompson says
It’s legal to have sex in Mexico at age 12. Does that mean that someone from that “culture” can have sex with a 12 year-old and not be charged with rape?
gravenimage says
Rape is still illegal in Mexico.
Frank Anderson says
J.T. the law written and enforced in Mexico may be entirely different from US law. In the US there are generally 2 categories of rape: 1) non-consensual sex with a person over the age of legal consent and 2) “statutory rape”= any sex with a person under the age of legal consent. A person under the age of legal consent cannot have sex with a person over the age of legal consent without it being a rape. Whether a person under the age of consent might be treated as an adult in a statutory rape prosecution is a question for which I do not know the answer. But from what I read the law of islam recognized no age of legal consent so statutory rape is impossible. And “ordinary” rape is encouraged. In fact we have seen here on JW that rape victims have been executed. Muslim men in Syria had sex with their daughters as reported by M.D. Wafa Sultan in her book A God who Hates.
Joy Thompson says
Does this mean that someone who is used to driving on the Autobahn can drive on our roads the same way because it’s what they are used to? Pay attention to the name of this judge. I’ll bet the liberals are writing it down to nominate for Supreme Court Judge the next time they get a chance.
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
This judicial decision amounts to acceptance of Sharia Law within Canada.
I doubt if Canadian politicians have previously sanctioned this.
No state presently operates two judicial systems within its territory.
No state can survive in this situation.
RIP Canada !
abu taleb says
I still don’t understand how Justin Trudeau still in power, the same way how the liberal Sweden government rules Sweden. I hope Angela Merkel will be gone soon, and it will trigger the exit of other dhimmi government in UK, France, Sweden, Canada etc
Buzz says
The Muslims also behead people because it is part of the culture of Islam. So when they behead someone that should be ignored because it is part o their culture, like the Muslim pig in Germany that beheaded a 1 year-old child?
Bob Fry says
Why am I not surprise by this Female Judges decision to acquit this Syrian Male (39 years old). This has been happening in other case of the Syrian Refugees, Lethbridge, Toronto, Halifax, all the stories seem to quietly go away. Lets not lie to ourselves and others, Justin Trudeau and his master plan to flood Canada with refugees before the next election is pretty clear. In past decades we would never question our legal system from the Police to the Court rooms, Justice was always served, but today the Judges are falling over themselves in being as creative in their sentencing, especially with the Refugees. Is the system corrupt in Canada, I would start to question why the sentencing has been a travesty with sentences like 6 months House Arrest, no probation periods the list is boundless and very creative. The Judges conclusions is that the refugees don’t understand our customs and laws even after arriving in Canada, The poor refugee only knows that he can rape a White women because of her dress or lack of. This has to stop or Canada will end with Sharia Law and NO GO Zones like there is in Europe and the U.K. Look only to Britain and there Parliament and Leaders have wholly supported the Muslim populace and the police have been strong armed and told into turning a blind eye when it comes to Muslims. Can’t happen in Canada, it already is happening just look to Bill M-103. You can Thank Justin Trudeau for through these new laws and they are not to the benefit of Canadians. Enough Said! . .
James Lincoln says
I guess the judge is essentially saying that Middle Eastern men all “look alike” and can be easily misidentified.
Imagine if that same standard were applied in US courts with Hispanics and African-Americans…
Barry says
So on that basis if a white man were to rape or molest multiple muslim girls the judge would acquit him as well– because how would muslim women ever be able to distinguish one white guy from another? You can’t make this kind of stupid up– Sounds like this female judge has made this deliberation based more on sharia law than the Canadian Legal System.
Candace says
How did he become a judge? I hope he has no daughters of his own. What a pig. Smh…
Giacomo Latta says
He is actually a she. As a proud leftist she sympathizes with ”poor” people but would never be caught dead associating with one. Thus her claim that, if they all look alike to her, they must all look alike to teenagers. Alas, there was not one girl dark enough to tell the judge to stuff it.
Charlie says
Canada better wake their asses up and ousts these liberal judges. Islam is a force that’s trying to dominate the world. getting by with molestation on 13 yes is the beginning.
Farami says
Except we are powerless to do so. 90% or more were all liberal lawyers once. We can’t oust them. Even 8 years of a conservative government we didn’t oust them. They are in full control and we are screwed.
infidel says
This worm already has 6 piglets… Just see how these pests reproduce with the sole intent of making majority in the infidel land..
Politicianophobia says
This past week Pakistani born, Iqra Khalid the Muslim, Liberal, backbencher, MP from Mississauga-Erin Mills, proudly announced the government is going to spend 23 million dollars to fight racism and Islamophobia in Canada.
Is there anyone out there who can explain to me why the government is giving a SIGINIFICANT amount of this money to The National Council of Canadian Muslims, the Islamic Relief and CAIR aka the Muslim Brotherhood–groups mired in allegations of support of terrorism–This is financially and security wise another great idea of Justines.
Seems to me the tax payers of Canada are paying the Muslims to tell us what we can and not say about Islam.
IN 2019 WE MUST VOTE ALL THE TRAITOROUS LIBERALS AND ALL THE NDP COLLABORATORS FOR SUPPORTING M-103, OUT.
Recently, I heard a young girl–voting age– say Trudeau is so cool and his socks are so cute. I wonder if she has any clue about what happened at the pool in Edmonton and the verdict. Does she know that Muhammed is the apostle of Allah and those who follow him follow him are merciful to one another, ruthless to unbelievers.
I may change my name to Redhead Anger.
b.a. freeman says
this is a repulsive decision, but it makes total sense from the perspective of the left. obviously, all brown people look alike to these white oppressors, since racists back in the wonderful 1960s said that all black people look alike, so the girls’ recognition of him can immediately be discounted as racist blame-pinning.
the fact that this judge is still on the bench tells me that civil war will be coming to canadastan soon.
UNCLE VLADDI says
“When in Rome” no longer applies – at least not to our new master-class invaders!
If only the judge had asked if the poor swarthy victim would have been allowed to commit similar crimes to this in his own homeland? (The obvious answer is HELL NO! he would have had something legally amputated by a mob of angry fathers of the girls)!
But leftopaths don’t care about facts logic and truth.
And, as The Sheik says over at his Winds of Jihad site:
“Multiculturalism was made up by self-loathing rat bastards to pretend that inferior cultures and superior cultures are equal. It exists to tell nice lies about rotten cultures and rotten lies about great cultures. The UN exemplifies this lie, with “Islam means peace” its biggest lie.”
Investigate Gov Corruption NOW says
“Hajj Solomon is from a different cultural background from the six complainants as a reason to call into question their identification of him”
“She told court that as a wave hit, a man swam up under her and touched her breast and buttocks.”
Is the Judge saying that the witness identified him as a Muslim during the attacks?, in the water? Did he self identify?
gravenimage says
I think the implication is that the victims thought that all of these Muslim pedophiles look alike, and so are not reliable. What vicious tripe.
Brian carriere says
This judge should lose her job…different culture..like fuck..put them both in jail..
Anna says
For everyone boo-hoo-king and crying their anti-liberal outrage, Edmonton has been a PC province until the last provincial election, where NDP has taken more seats.
Either way, neither have anything to do with federal government or even jurisdiction, as it was a municipal court. So chalk it up to one really ignorant judge, or media sensationalism, if the young teens couldn’t readily re-identify their molester post-incident. Not saying it’s right (like why the f#ck arent there lifeguards and video cameras in a mall swimming pool?) but unless there is beyond reasonable doubt they have to let him go. However I hope to help the parents of all 6 teens appeal this disgusting anti-justice sentiment. You live here now, and at 40yrs old, diddling someone your fn daughter’s age isnt okay.
S Williston says
APPEAL!!!!!!
Using Hajj Solomon’s different cultural background, which is a rape culture, as a defence for sexual assault is preposterous! Is Judge Joyce Lester insane?? This is a highly dangerous precedent that absolutely cannot be allowed to stand. In addition, Judge Joyce Lester should be removed from the bench for total incompetence. She flat out REFUSED to apply the criminal code. She is supposed to be a judge, she is NOT a lawmaker and therefore cannot write new laws to support her f’d findings as she merrily goes along!
The pure lunacy of this judgement is mind numbing. There are literally millions of people from every country around the globe living in Canada. The cultural backgrounds are boundless. Are the courts now to overlay ALL of these cultural backgrounds when someone breaks Canadian laws? Hajj Solomon came to Canada as one of Trudeau’s fake refugees; he can adapt or get out. I seriously fear for his own children though being as he has now been told by a Canadian judge that it is ok for him to sexually assault young girls. This is a huge step forward for the followers of Islam to apply Sharia in Canada!
WAKE UP CANADIANS!! Vote Trudeau OUT in the next election.
Native Jo says
Sue civilly. They want to treat Western women like whores, they they can pay them. 8mmigrants must be expected to have responsibility to learn the culture they impose themselves on.
Frank Anderson says
Native Jo, any bets he is on welfare, and that welfare benefits are exempt from garnishment?
Ashley says
The judge cited the fact that Hajj Solomon is from a different cultural background from the six complainants as a reason to call into question their identification of him….
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Rubbish!
I highly doubt that SIX girls could misidentify their molester.
There should have been a police lineup.
Frightening that this man has six children.
Mat Salenius says
Goes to show what stupid and senile people we have in the judging profession..
Does anybody know how can we dismiss (fire) court judges for incompetence.and stupidity ???
Please speak up and comment .
Matt S Montreal Canada
Matt Salenius says
Goes to show what incompetent, stupid, senile people we have in the judging profession.
Does anyone know how we can delete, eliminate, (fire) a judge ??
In private industry such stupid individuals would not last 30 days.
Please speak up.
Matt S. Montreal;, Canada