Imagine how embarrassed the Danish authorities will be when they discover that Mundhir Abdallah was not quoting some “extremist” text.
“Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim 6985)
This is a canonical hadith from a collection that Muslims consider reliable. It would be more surprising if Mundhir Abdallah repudiated it. The ignorance of Western authorities regarding Islamic texts and teachings, and their false assumptions about what they contain, is leading the West to disaster.
“Danish imam charged over call to kill Jews,” AFP, July 24, 2018:
STOCKHOLM (AFP) – Danish prosecutors on Tuesday charged an imam with calling for the killing of Jews in the first case of its kind in the Nordic nation and which sparked political outrage.
Imam Mundhir Abdallah, who preaches in the Copenhagen neighbourhood of Norrebro at the Masjid Al-Faruq mosque, which media have linked to radical Islam, is accused of citing a hadith or koranic narrative calling for Muslims to rise up against Jews.
“Judgement Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them,” Abdallah said in a Facebook and YouTube video post in March.
“These are serious statements and I think it’s right for the court to now have an opportunity to assess the case,” public prosecutor Eva Ronne said in a statement.
This is the first time the prosecution has raised such charges under a criminal code introduced January 1 2017 on religious preaching.
Ronne said it’s legal to quote religious books like the Koran and the Bible, but that inciting or welcoming the killings of people could be punishable by up to three years in prison….
duh swami says
Talking trees and rocks are never wrong…How many dead Jews does it take to bring on the last hour? Is there some magical number?
Lydia Church says
The muslims are the ones who God will judge on Judgment Day!
And punish and condemn.
elee says
father forgive them for they know not what they do.
Every Muslim is a victim of Islam.
thesailor says
Yes.
J D S says
Elee…..they are so victim of Satan…now can one tell the difference..
Jaladhi says
This is some thing new – West seems to be growing a spine!!
Keith says
Don’t be so sure about that. Lets wait and see.
It still has to get to trial and to be openly and honestly looked at.
Peter Clemerson says
We must all hope that the Imam goes on trial. However, I will be rash and predict the outcome: the Danish authorities obtain an apology from the Imam and drop the case with the minimum of publicity.
In the likely absence of MSM reporting, we will be relying on Robert to keep us informed about what happens.
Julea Bacall says
I think you are right but this is what HAS to happen everywhere. Especially here in the USA. Speech does have some guidelines that are supposed to be prosecuted. This Issue is where it really starts and one that cannot be denied or called ‘racist’. This is the core or the undoing of Islam.
thesailor says
I suspect it is more likely the prosecutor will go on trial.
J D S says
Yes..Keith….I hope Robert keeps us posted on the outcome if this.
Carol the 1st says
Per the public prosecutor: “Ronne said it’s legal to quote religious books like the Koran and the Bible, but that inciting or welcoming the killings of people could be punishable by up to three years in prison..”
This looks like the imams will unfortunately be allowed to continue their endlessly “inspiring” antiquated hate speech. At best they may have to make a wide berth around the PRESENT tense (such as we see at :55)
“The rightly-guided state, which will instate the Shari’a of Allah, will unite the servants of Allah, will revive the Islamic nation, will wage jihad against its enemies, will LIBERATE JERUSALEM, and will uproot the Jewish entity, that COLONIALIST AND CRUSADER BASE – that rightly-guided state will soon come to be, Allah willing.”
Maybe he’ll claim he meant a “spiritual” jihad against Joory.
James Lincoln says
Could this be true, Islam on trial ???
It will be interesting to see how the Imams and far left try to spin this.
gravenimage says
I doubt the Danish authorities realize that Islam itself is behind this. Still, good to see this Imam being called on this.
Mary says
Finally a court with balls.
DHazard says
So does this mean the Hadith will be banned in Denmark? Or at least whittled down to the boring parts? And what about all the hate speech in the Quran? Would reporting on the incident be considered hate speech if you included the quote?
This is why total freedom of speech (excluding incitement to violence) is better for everybody. Less complex, no unexpected problems and you know where people stand. Not many people would want a fine or jail time hanging over their heads for just saying “I hate Islam”, or “Jews and Christians are the vilest of peoples”. Everybody’s a goose or a gander. And professional victims will never starve for lack of people to blame.
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
The problem is not the Quran or – in this case – the Hadith quoted. Such holy texts are perfectly legal. What is criminal is that the imam made the words of the Hadith his own by putting them into a context of the conflict between Arabs and Israel.
Julea Bacall says
There are many more than this. And it is not legal.
gravenimage says
I agree. Unfortunately, calling for the killing of Jews *is* incitement to violence.
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
In the Danish penal code § 136 sub-article 3, the word used is “billiger” meaning “approve (of)”.
In sub-article 1 the word used is “tilskynder” meaning “incitement (to).
To approve of a crime is less serious than incitement to a crime so the burden of proof is not so heavy for the prosecution. In § 136,1 incitement can be punished with 4 years in prison, § 136,3 only with 3 years in prison.
Peter Clemerson says
Are you able to find out which of § 136,1 or § 136,3 the prosecutors are using in this case?
Carol the 1st says
In reply to Peter…the phrase “calling for” is used in the article (and they do seem well aware that the imam began by quoting from “a hadith or Koranic narrative”). The charge of Incitement would thus seem to be in order. Jan (above) however has mentioned up to four years for this but the prosecutor has said “…inciting OR welcoming the killings of people could be punishable by up to three years in prison….”
Julea Bacall says
It most definitely is and there are many more than just this one. People need to read it and the conflict did not begin with 1948 Statehood. It started with who gets to claim Abraham since Allah cursed Jews. Who gets to the final and ONE and ONLY True Abrahamic Religion. People really need to read their book to fully understand how deep this thing is.
gravenimage says
True.
Anthony says
This Ronne guy is bit confusing, here he’s talking about quoting from Koran and Bible to be legal, but that poor imam is quoting hadits ( records of saying and action of Mo ), so Ronne’s statement is irrelevant in this case. But moslem in general consider hadits being authoritative.
So if quoting hadits considered hate speech, very soon he will ban the whole hadits as hate speech, and this will be difficult case for poor Ronne
Carol the 1st says
Anthony…the imam has projected desired activity into the PRESENT ERA. I doubt the public prosecutor, Eva Ronne, is confused. The West seems to at least be trying to lay some kind of groundwork or red line.
Julea Bacall says
Excuse me, but the Qur’an is projected into every day forward until Judgement Day as the one and only True Word/Commands of Allah. There is no ‘only in history’ for them.
Plus…no other religious book gives commands to kill or persecute others forever more.
Carol the 1st says
Yes, we know that common sense seems to be no longer ruling, but technically WE don’t seem to want to ban original text material from being quoted and so the only way to pin them down for now seems to be to catch these Imams unmistakably encouraging present day actions.
A little off-topic but here’s a great article by the Danish researcher Dr. Nicolai Sennels. It focuses largely on the results of Islamic inbreeding.
Carol the 1st says
Oops…here’s the Sennels link:
http://pickeringpost.com/story/the-cost-of-islamic-incest/1316
Julea Bacall says
There are many more than this. It is a very bigoted book. I don’t know why this is the only one people seem to know…..there are many.
George says
What makes you think they’ll find out, Robert? And if they do, what makes you think these pathetic people will be embarrassed?
El Guapo says
Here is a tactic to combat the imposition of sharia blasphemy laws. It will require going to jail, possibly you will be assaulted or killed by muslims, probably you will be beaten by the Sharia Police (RCMP, The Pudge ect…)
1)Take a quran downtown. Open it up to any page – sixty-eight percent of the time the page will open on pure hate speech, 22 percent of the time, it will be incomprehensible, but bear with it.)
2) Read aloud from the quran – no editorializing.
3) A policeman will be along presently to arrest you for ‘hate speech’.
4) Make them take it to court, do not plead out.
5) Force them to declare the quran ‘hate speech’, or declare that it’s only hate speech when a non-muslim reads it.
Perhaps The Freedom Institute could set up a fund, or make an attack lawyer available to the defence?
Older Canadian says
Great idea, and you are right, it is only hate speech if read by a non-believer.
Bill says
Just like in Portland where leftists can hurl disgusting racial epithets at ICE agents and assault them with impunity, but if anyone else uses a racial epithet it becomes a hate crime.
El Guapo is one to something. We need more than a few international and domestic Rosa Parks moments to drive home the point.
Carol the 1st says
That SHOULD be the way it goes El Guapo, but unless you carry the antiquated text beyond and into present-day urgings or actions then it seems it cannot be called “hate speech”.
Julea Bacall says
All you have to do is ask an imam if the Unchanging Word or Qur’an is for yesterday, TODAY and tomorrow until Judgment day and they will say Yes.
I also say, if we leave a weapon on a fence, not ALL people will pick it up. So is it ok to leave weapons out on a fence where millions of people pass?
Carol the 1st says
You’re right and I wouldn’t and haven’t disagreed with this.
Linda says
Good for Denmark!
underbed cat says
I love Roberts’ first sentence, “Imagine how embarrassed the Danish authorities will be……..”. Hopefully when the facts are verified, seeing the actual verses, the case does not get silenced.They have such a mindset that it is a radical “version”, and they have let this in their country, the imam may lie, but the evidence will at least be looked at ….what i cannot understand is the lack of support in this country for any truthful speech by the media and many politicians.My bet is that once the general public gets the problem you’ll see the left try to claim they’ll save the country after fighting the borders and immigration control.The information is available but the left / dems/ and some Republicans have marketed Islam as tolerant and Christians as intolerant and had power to spread the fib. We already had evidence on the MB and that was deep sixed by the past administration to achieve votes and used marketing techniques such as used by fashion mags for years, and stories that never quite had the facts. Little did the doctrine writer know that victory thru terror would also silence the truth would work so well or did he.? I hope the Danish government will make some changes and acknowledge the problem. Invasions are warfare techniques.
gravenimage says
Denmark: Imam charged with hate speech for quoting Muhammad calling for killing Jews
………………….
Well, I’m glad he was charged. But the problem–as noted–is that this is mainstream Islam.
elee says
Please keep us advised on the outcome of this. Eventually everyone’s legal system will have to confront this complex of issues. Good thread of comments above.
If Stalin had declared communism a religion would we be speaking Russian now?
bitcounter says
denmark is waking up. it might be too late but the eyes are open.
it can be read alomst at the end of this article:
http://pickeringpost.com/story/the-cost-of-islamic-incest/1316
infidel says
Another classic example of how Islam MISUSES the freedom of speech and freedom of religion in a level playing democratic setup.
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
Denmark is standing tall. Perhaps France, Germany and Italy will follow their lead.
K. says
Now we’re getting closer to the truth, one baby step at a time. How long until the realization that the entire Quran and its associated scriptures are to be classified as “hate speech” even in the strictest sense of already existing laws? That day is drawing nearer when the establishments will find itself stonewalled by its own willful ignorance.
FYI says
of course on that basis
Moses{Jew} and Jesus Christ{Jew}would be under muhammed’s threat.
allah curses the Jews{and the Christians} koran 9:30
muhamed curses the Jews{and the Christians} sahih muslim 1082
Even the mysterious “jibreel”,an obvious impersonator of the Angel Gabriel is at it, for he is defined as being “The ENEMY of the Jews” Bukhari 4:60:3329
An antisemitic god allah {“the deceiver”},an antisemitic “prophet” muhammed and an antisemitic “angel” and an antisemitic “holy” scriprture.
Logic,reason and theological coherence are not alalh’s forte:The entire Biblical narrative is Jewish as are ALL true prophets of God and as Jesus Christ{Jew} said
“It is from the Jews that salvation comes” John 4 v 22.
Strange how allah gets it so wrong about the Jews…..
Eur says
According to them the prophets were not Jews, they were Muslims. Moses, Solomon, David, Abraham … all the characters and prophets of the bible were Muslims because Islam was the original religion. They believe that all human beings are born Muslims … even Adam and Eve were Muslims. It’s ridiculous but it’s that way Muslims claim everything, both religious and earthly.
gravenimage says
Yes–even Jesus is claimed as a Muslim.
Jedothek says
I hope we all realize how complex this case is . Many people have a book on their shelf that says “Never let a witch live,” and the police properly do not interfere. But if a group of people carrying clubs went to a gathering of witches (there are such ) and their leader began to chant , “Never let a witch live,” the police might be properly interested .
Jedothek says
This is a complex case . Many people have a book on their shelf that says “Never let a witch live,” and the police properly do not interfere. But if a group of people carrying clubs went to a gathering of witches (there are such ) and their leader began to chant , “Never let a witch live,” the police might be properly interested .
gravenimage says
No Jews or Christians are slaughtering those who consider themselves to be witches.
Rarely says
Cute problem. “Hate Speech Laws” versus “Freedom of Religion”.
Coming up: Round One.