An update on this story.
“Even 10 years in prison will not scare us Muslims,” says imam indicted for quoting his prophet.
Copenhagen-based imam Mundhir Abdallah is the first to be indicted for breaking Denmark’s new so-called imam law. The Danish police claim that Mundhir Abdallah has called for the killing of Jews by quoting a famous statement by Islam’s holyest prophet, Mohammad. According to police, Abdullah said:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews so that the Muslims kill them, and the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.” The quote is from the Islamic hadith by Sahih Muslim, 041:6985.
“These are heinous statements, and I think it is quite right that the court now has an opportunity to assess the case,” says Advocate General Eva Rønne from the State Prosecutor’s office.
According to the new Danish law, it is legal to quote religious texts calling for violence, as long as the person quoting it does make it clear that it is not his own opinion. The prosecutor is convinced that Mundhir Abdallah did not make this distinction clear.
Mundhir Abdallah is not happy about the indictment:
“Even 10 years in prison will not scare us Muslims. We are proud of our faith. The indictment criminalizes Islam and Islamic texts. Authorities want us to only tolerate Danish values. They want us to assimilate, but that will never happen,” said Adballah.
Via 10news.one
Video: Copenhagen Imam Mundhir Abdallah calls for jihad to invade and conquer Europe:
infidel says
Catch this jehaadi worm by the scruff of its neck and shove into a container and send it by the next cargo ship to the Sahara…
mortimer says
No, take the Koran and HADITHS into court and TRY THEM WHEREVER there are local HATE SPEECH LAWS. The KORAN AND HADITHS are largely HATE SPEECH, soliciting genocide, enslavement, dismemberment and torture of non-Muslims, especially of Jews.
LAWS ALREADY IN PLACE CAN TAKE DOWN ISLAM.
Matina says
Muslims try hard to overcome and forget their internal enmities by directing their malice and venomous sentiments against Jews. That’s will explain why muslims left a few Jews amongst themselves for the goal of venting their wrath against someone instead of themselves as it is happening in Iraq and Syria and Libya after massacring all Jews.
gravenimage says
The West does not ban books–and if the Qur’an and Hadiths *were* banned, it would just stop Anti-Jihadists like Robert Spencer from being able to read or criticize these texts.
They should be widely read and *exposed*, instead.
gravenimage says
Jim, we don’t destroy books. We would never be able to destroy all the Qur’ans in Dar-al-Islam, in any case.
Fascism has been exposed and thoroughly discredited in the West–and we did not burn every copy of Mein Kampf to achieve this.
Islam needs to be exposed and opposed.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I think we agree that the books need to be available for reading and comment. More people need to read them and critical commentary that brings up exactly what is being taught. I don’t see a way to put a book in jail. But I do see a way to jail those who teach and incite all forms of violence. It would excite me to see many passages on billboards to get deliberately ignorant people to see what they are pretending does not exist. How is Hitlerland?
gravenimage says
Very much agree, Frank.
And “HItlerland”–I am rereading it now–is both an excellent book and a cautionary tale for today:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GG0LAC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Frank Anderson says
Ordering it tonight. Will read along.
Frank Anderson says
Completed reading Hitlerland, a highly impressive and easy to read account of a number of witnesses of the rise of Hitler. Kindle lists 3 Chronological Korans, Spicer, Rodwell and Pinkthall. Please share your suggestion?
Julea Bacall says
The answer that people will not do yet is to stop all business & contact with countries who support Islam as it is today. Al Azhar has to be the first pressured to remove all warlord/tribal propaganda which is either pretended or misunderstood as Words of Allah. Next Iran has to follow. No country should be allowed in a UN unless they follow Universal Human Rights. Universal Human Rights have to be LAW. Such a good idea has fallen in to such corruption. Same treatment for any countries supporting Nazigroups, white Supremacists, KKKlans….anything like this and MONEY should not be determining contact with these countries. Also, it has to start here at Home first & for that people have to be educated and we need rational EFFECTIVE Educators…not Nazigroups, bigots or Other Religious voices fighting with religions, or political conservatives saying its all Liberal Fault. People have been so conned and ignored so everyone is mad. This is really not a religious issue…it is real Human Rights & protecting Freedom. Any religious voice will be discounted same as any real racist voice or hating other cultures as long as they do No harm. I am not against religion but it is not an effective enough defense and can’t people just USE the most effective ones. Its too important not to. Its tricky because people blur the difference between freedom and doing harm or allowing elements that are designed to destroy what real freedom is, as in Universal human Rights. People should read them. People should teach them as opposed to Islam/KKKLan/Nazigroups/Supremacists/Vulture Capitalism misused as it is today. We need to TALK about it and not Riot or rally or snark ETC.
I have always been impressed with this site overall as well as Gatestone. I want it all more mainstream.
Frank Anderson says
Islam cannot change. By its own terms for 1400 years it is “complete, final, perfect and unchangeable”. Anyone who dares to even suggest change is an apostate under penalty of death. I video recorded a number of mock negotiations for a law school class about 40 years ago; which stimulated my reading, I believe, 6 books on the subject. All of the authors agreed that in order to negotiate the basic requirements are mutual interest and trust. Islam has no interest in coming away from its teachings. It teaches that lying is encouraged whenever advantage can be obtained, making by its own terms, any “commitment” worthless.
If islam cannot change, that only leaves us to either surrender, continue to fight, or to see how many people can be converted out, at the risk of their lives. Those who claim the ability to negotiate a “moderate” islam that tolerates infidels in a mutually peaceful context are ignorant liars. “Deliberate ignorance constitutes knowledge of the truth.”
Julea Bacall says
I know what they say but then we can have NOTHING to do with them and all these greed multinationals have to stop working with them. Its sanctions, but for real Sanctions or we lose everything just to make a few people richer.
It cannot be like Germany and France plus many others have done in Iran during the supposed sanctions. No One will DO it Yet. But we cannot doom our future to continuous fighting them for 100s of years. Corporations and all people have to Educated and these countries have to be pressured. They can change IF they get pressured enough and if it is the Warlord comments removed. Imams just have to say warlords do not speak for Allah. But they have to be pressured and that means all non Muslim Multinationals have to give up profiting off them and the War Profiteers have to be kicked out. It will not be easy or right away but if not we lose. Education comes first. (like when civilization had to teach that the world was not flat as previously taught nor was Earth the Center of the universe…they finally HAD to & like being created from Mud is the Same thing as evolution or that pollution is hurting our health and environment and it is not Witches causing disease nor is it God’s punishment. Its called Education of reality. Even if it means some can no longer Profit off others causing harm)
gravenimage says
Glad you liked Hitlerland, Frank. I just finished rereading it earlier today. An important book, I believe–and not unlike what we are facing today re Islam.
As for the Qur’ans–Pickthall is considered a classic translation of the Qur’an, and is one I have read. It was also the first translation by an English Muslim, and so is very much an act of Da’wa–so this has to be taken into account. It’s full title is “The Glorious Qur’an”.
I haven’t read the Rodwell translation, but it dates from 1876, long before “political correctness”. Probably a good bet.
As for Spicer, this is touted as an “amplified” translation. This means that it gives definitions for words like “ignominy”. Probably rather dumbed down, especially for an erudite reader such as yourself. I also suspect that this may be rather bowdlerized and whitewashed.
The first translation I read–shear luck; I just picked up the widely available Penguin edition–is probably the one I would recommend–NJ Dawood. He was a Jewish Iraqi, fluent in Arabic. His translation dates from the 1950s. His language is clear–as clear as the Qur’an is ever apt to be–and is free from either Da’wa or political correctness.
You can find it in most even generally well stocked book stores or libraries, or you can download a pdf or read online for free here:
https://sites.google.com/site/ibkaseagre/the-koran-penguin-classics-37676531
Let me know what you think.
Julea Bacall says
The one I read is Published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur’an Inc. Elmhurst, NY 14th ed translated from Qur’an Majid by Abdullah Yusef Ali. (Pakistan 1934) It says the first eng trans of the Qur’an Majid was by A Ross who was actually translating the French version by Du Ryer 1647.
The introduction says something curious as well…”A translation of the Qur’an Majid
is not , by any means, the last word in translations. Such masterpieces of Greek and Roman literature are being translated even today. Just as it has been said that every generation must rewrite and reinterpret its own history, in the light of its own experience and knowledge. The generations of the Future will, most probably, translate Qur’an Majid for themselves.”
What do you think of that? Translate it for themselves in the light of its own experience and knowledge????????????
gravenimage says
Julea, very much agree that Islam should be isolated.
And yes–the Yusef Ali translation is a classic one, as well, and one I have read.
The striking thing is that–save for the translations that specifically set out to whitewash is that they are all virtually identical, with just slight differences in style.
Julea Bacall says
This translation was banned by the Los Angeles School District in 2002 because of the Anti-Semitic (anti-Jew), incredibly bigoted things written about Jews. There were about 300 copies they had removed from libraries.
It is still a popular book given out of Mosques for free. Mine came from a Mosque in San Jose area. It should be banned from our Nation…or at least our county as did LA.
Garfield says
Exactly.
Jak says
Hear, Hear!!!
Julea Bacall says
That is what I say! Danish law better change because any Imam will just say its not is opinion. It is the Word of Allah. Denmark is not learning fast enough what Islam is. We Must.
Julea Bacall says
I think this is true. All we need is people with the will and not controlled by/in Business in the Mid East.
Matina says
Copenhagen based imam Mundhir Abdallah. He claims that “if you press Islam, it will hit back. If you let it alone, it will spread.”)
The imam khiram is right. They tell us the truth and we don’t want to hear it and understand: That’s what has exactly happened over the last 1435 years. We can see it now all over the Continents, strangely, curiously, amazingly with the help of the conquered dhimmi infidels. Infidels’ faithlessness, slumber and stupidity and in-fighting are the best helpers.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, he is right. If you let Islam alone it will spread ……. like a cancer. We know that the only way to stop the spread of cancer is to eliminate it … completely … from the body. It’s an awful process but the alternative is to accept even worse suffering and a shortened lifespan.
Hogdude says
Agreed, but how do you eliminate a thought from the mind? It only takes one person with the seeds of Islam in his mind to re-ignite the idea, one willing listener at a time. If we had an answer to this question, we could eliminate virtually all “bad” thought from all the Earth. I vote to try-or we’ll keep fighting this terror until the Lord comes.
gravenimage says
We really don’t have to try to remove Islam from Muslim minds.
We just have to remove Muslims from Infidel lands. We really had almost no problem with Jihad just a few years ago, before so many Muslims invaded.
First we need to stop the flood of Muslims into the West, then
start deporting, beginning with the worst Jihadists.
Fred says
Perfect technique. Europe and the rest of the world will have to crack down on any calls for murder, even if it’s in the Koran. The longer the west waits, the bloodier it will be to,put down the jihad.
J D S says
For once an imam has spoke the truth……Islam is it’s own indictment….Islam is criminal!
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
Well done, Denmark ! Perhaps there is hope for European civilization after all
mortimer says
1985 India : Writ of Petition to ban and confiscate all copies of the Koran in India … BECAUSE THE KORAN SOLICITS GENOCIDE and CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY !
MUSLIMS DEMAND PROTECTION FROM CRITICISM of MUSLIMS, MOHAMMED and the KORAN, but those same provisions of the law could be invoked for seeking a ban on their holy book, the Koran. This happened in India.
The credit for this turning of tables goes to Chandmal Chopra of Calcutta. Chandmal Chopra of Calcutta, on March 29, 1985, filed a Writ of Petition in the Calcutta High Court stating that publication of the Quran infringes Sections 153A and 295A of the I.P.C. because it incites violence, disturbs public tranquility, promotes, on grounds of religion, feelings of enmity, hatred and ill-will between different religious communities, and insults other religions or religious beliefs of other communities in India’. He also requested a ruling nisi against the Government of West Bengal ‘to show cause as to why a writ of mandamus be not issued to it directing it to declare each copy of Quran whether in the original Arabic or in any of the languages as forfeited to the Government’ in terms of Section 95 of the Cr.P.C.
The case caused considerable excitement among the Muslim ‘believers’ (Mu’mins) and interest among the ‘infidels’ (Kafirs) in April-May, 1985. The press in India and abroad published many headlines about what was rightly regarded as an unprecedented event in the history of religion. It was the first time that a pagan kafir had legally challenged the character of a document hailed as the ‘Word of Allah’. The roles now stood reversed. So far, it had only been the privilege of Muslims in India to ban and burn the sacred literature of the pagans.
After considerable rioting, the Petition was disallowed by the High Court. But the issues raised by the Petition remain pertinent. No court of law can deny to ‘kafirs’ the right to challenge the treatment prescribed for them in the Quran at the hands of the Muslim ‘believers’.
Raja says
Mortimer,
You have already educated us with this news. These kinds of challenges to the allah the mafia don is always welcome.
Thanks..
infidel says
Thanks Mort.. I used to have vague memories of this case as this was from my teenage years in India. But I do remember as to how quickly the left lib forces in India clamped the lid down hard on this case and buried it without even a trace… Thanks for taking time to delve deep into our history and bring this out. That is why. I like Robert so much because somehow he has survived (THIS FAR) with all the vicious gauntlets thrown by the Left-lib cronies of Islam and the Muslims themselves to BURY HIM WITHOUT ANY TRACE…
J D S says
Wouldn’t it be something if any of our lawmakers would stand up in congress and use this writ wording to promote removing the Koran and all Islamic writings from the U.S……Oh what a war that would bring…not only from the Muslim population but also from the democrats and their liberal left flowing…. Blood in the halls of congress!
Julea Bacall says
But I don’t think it stuck as of today. It didn’t go all the way through.
mortimer says
The mullah claimed that Mohammed brought ‘good’ to the world, without supporting his claim.
In fact, Mohammed brought the greatest GENOCIDES in history, totally over 270 million killed… the greatest RELIGIOUS GENOCIDE in India with 80 million killed and the greatest RACIST GENOCIDE in Africa with 120 million killed.
One person has died every three minutes since Mohammed began his attacks. Over 500 non-Muslims have been KILLED by Islam every day since Mohammed began his attacks.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, this is what pious Muslims consider good.
Emilie Green says
“Authorities want us to only tolerate Danish values. They want us to assimilate, but that will never happen,” said the imam.
There, he said. And importantly, he believes it. Along with millions and millions of other Muslims.
It is sheer madness to be bringing these people to live among us. Madness.
ADhimmiSaysWhat? says
No. Just another case of mental illness. Nothing to see here. Move along… sarc./off
Lelia says
Well, if he doesn’t want to assimilate, then he should remove himself from that place and go to a place that will accept his islamist beliefs. Good riddance.
Raja says
The core Islam remains a criminal enterprise with fully equipped war machine on non-Muslims. But it can be eradicated by the govt of the day if they so wish to do. The vast majority of the Muslims are oblivious to this fact.
It'sbeans says
Muslims literally scream their motives from the rooftops. But many European governments and the media will cover it up while self-virtuous idiots remain blind to it.
Halal Bacon says
yes, as it should
jan says
“…According to the new Danish law, it is legal to quote religious texts calling for violence…”
We are governed by TOTAL F****** IDIOTS that legislates in favor of this filth by allowing them to spread hate via their religious community, they supply them the whip to beat us with !!! UNBELIEVABLE …. we still have a loooooooong way to go if we want to survive !!!!!
henrik jensen says
easy now.
quote. to quote is legal.
to condole/support/cheer is not.
Norger says
Denmark is getting to the heart of the issue, which is whether Islam is compatible with western civilization. The imam’s statement that the indictment “criminalizes Islam” is accurate; the imam is only advocating what authoritative Islamic sources in fact say about “the Jews.” Agree with Emilie’s comment above that it is sheer madness to import large numbers of people who adhere to such a dangerous ideology.
Linda says
Good for Denmark, again! Here’s news: Islam and Islamic text should have been criminalized in the West a very long time ago. Way to go, Denmark!
gravenimage says
Denmark: Imam indicted for quoting Muhammad on killing Jews says “indictment criminalizes Islam & Islamic texts”
……………………
Well, Imam Mundhir Abdallah is not wrong. Does he realize what he is admitting?
More:
He claims that “if you press Islam, it will hit back. If you let it alone, it will spread.”
……………………
In other words, we will conquer you filthy Infidels either way. We need to prove him wrong.
More:
“Even 10 years in prison will not scare us Muslims. We are proud of our faith. The indictment criminalizes Islam and Islamic texts. Authorities want us to only tolerate Danish values. They want us to assimilate, but that will never happen,” said Adballah.
……………………
Admission that Muslims are not here to assimilate into our civilized societies, but to take over.
And *of course* he is proud of murderous Jew hatred. What could be more Islamic?
Norger says
At least he’s honest about Islam’s agenda. If only more people would pay attention to what he’s saying.
gravenimage says
Norger, he’s only honest because he is so emboldened. Muslims only lie to the “filthy Infidels” if they think we are apt to stop them if they don’t.
David M says
This could be huge, this could be Islam itself on trial if that is what they are going to use as their defence in trial. Of course it could be just swept under the carpet & made to go away quietly as well.
Lydia Church says
islam and its texts are a crime!
Donovan Nuera says
At least the Dane interior minister is not afraid. She is braver than 95% of Danish men. Queen Margrethe needs to expound further on her disappointment of letting do many boorish ingrates into her Realm.
infidel says
In an indirect way and maybe should I say that this is SLIP-UP, this worm of an Imam has admitted that there is violence in the Koran against unbelievers…
Indiana Tom says
Imam indicted for quoting Muhammad on killing Jews says “indictment criminalizes Islam & Islamic texts”
If the shoe fits, wear it.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep.
Stereo says
There is nothing new here, Islam is not a region but a devilish party tht wishes eargerly bring everyone under it’s control. It’s a pity tht the West with their “Freedom conscience” didn’t realize this on time and today we all paying the bloody price.
Chris Malan says
Denmark is a very politically correct country. I’m surprised that quoting Mohammed does not have the blessing of the government. It just goes to show; sometimes even the politically correct can get it right.
Hari Singh says
The Koran and Hadith are hate speech. The hate speech of the Koran is rising to an apocalyptic crescendo. The hate speech of the Koran culminates in the final battles where the Jews are wiped out Christianity is no more, the Jewish Anti Christ is killed. This is described in part according to the Sahih [best] Hadith [prophetic tradition] called Ghazwa-e-Hind, which refers to the final apocalyptic war resulting in the conquest of India and is a term popular in jihadi circles, having many pages on the web, especially in Pakistan.In that authentic Sahih hadith two groups of believers will be spared hellfire, those who join the army of Jesus in the last day, which destroys Christianity, the Jews, conquers the world, kills all the unbelievers and those who participate in the conquest of India
NERO says
The greatest weapon against falsehood in 21 century is knowledge and internet.
FYI says
muslims,regarding themselves in their false piety ,to be the holiest people in the world,with their mass-murdering “prophet” muhammed and their god allah the deceiver will never be part of society.That’s why you have no-go areas in many western cities.They will never be part of society;allah tells them not to.
They have bit the hand that fed them,taken advantage of the kindness and generosity of people in the west and this-typically-is how the muslim repays.
The more religiously “devout” they are,the more they follow the evil,Commandment-of-God violating teachings of their unholy koran
“allah” the deceiver god of islam who, please note,CURSES Jews AND Christians in koran 9:30 commands his slaves ..
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews And Christians for friends”
koran 5 v 51
That is some feat of allah to curse TWO world religions:at least these other authentic religions,unlike islam, actually have a moral code based on the Mosaic law that neither allah nor his muslims follow.
islam,according to the Imam{unwittingly shooting himself in the foot}:”if you let let it alone it will spread”.That of course is exactly like..Cancer.
well,THANKS for letting us know but we already knew that!
Thank goodness for JW and Robert Spenser:somebody has to alert others to the truth about the pernicious spread of this antiChristian,antiJewish,misogynistic cult of murder and mayhem.
Jahangeer says
Allah does not deceive anybody except those who try to decieve him like the Jews when they tried to murder Jesus Christ. The verse is anyway about plotting.
henrik jensen says
europe is not based on religion. there is no catalog of religious conflicts.in europe there is room for unglorious feelings. like unhappiness twistet sexuality selfdoubt etc. etc.what have you. No toxic masculinity constraint your thought patterns. Not only love ,proudness, honor ,aggression , desire ( that God or Gods are expected to consist only of). That is as well part of the reason for the bitter ironic and twisted comments on islam. Is critique of islam racist ?
Giacomo Latta says
Of course it isn’t but that does not mean that Marxists, the extreme Left and Muslims themselves have not tried to ”ethnify” Muslims so that they may play the race card.
gravenimage says
More repulsive Muslim apologia from Jahangeer.
Jahangeer says
Jews of Medina tried to assassinate Muhammad and betrayed him during battles with the Meccans, they received their recompense.
Paul says
Too bad they failed. Because they failed, we’ve had centuries of Muslim wrath, hate, genocide against non-Muslims. Pure evil.
gravenimage says
What crap. Muhammed just targeted them for slavery and murder when they failed to accept him as a prophet.
Elsa says
Imam indicted for quoting Muhammad on killing Jews says “indictment criminalizes Islam & Islamic texts.” As I can see, I’m not the only one to agree with this.
The difference between the imam and us, is that he doesn’t see that as a good thing. We see it as very important: incitement to violence is exactly that, no matter what the source.
Ole Pederson says
And it was about time for such a verdict!!!
Our goal must be making sure Islam enjoys the same reputation as National Socialism – which is undeserved, as to my knowledge the Nazis never supported cruelty to animals, child marriage and genital mutilation of children of both sexes.
Frank Anderson says
O.P. as much as both of us wish, being charged is usually not being convicted unless we are Tommy Robinson who was charged, convicted and sent to prison in about an hour. Wait and see what happens to the charge. Please. More cases need to be brought to put islam where it belongs, instead of the fake religion that is immune from all laws of civilization.
henrik jensen says
plan is : a normal muslim- enflamed by the speech – takes knife attack everybody . After : family say he suffer some psykiatric desease.
Mundhir Abdallah laugh and enjoy his violence
But :
there is a limited amount of times this scheme can play off unnoticed.
the pattern gets more and more clear.
Imams like Mundhir Abdallah use islam to enflame violence in mosques.
sooner or later these kind of muslims will be personas non gratas.
more and more laws will restraints there freedoms.
they will be associated with criminality.
henril jensen says
the thrill seems to be the intimidation.
(that intimidation have string criminal conotation is void)
we the imams challenge denmark.
we want power.
we dont care about you.
we will kill jews.
we allready have won you just dont know it.
this will make all danes crumble in fear.
then the army of imams will go to war on denmark
then you have to believe we do it for the power
we justify it with our god.
we are SO not affraid of dying,(roleplay as god)
that YOUR fear of dying will make you crumble
in that scenario we will walk over you
and introduce evil
( roleplay as gods. ).
(god will do we win )
hmm…..
isms isms isms..
Advice : Get all black ppl on your side then mayby.
learn to like black ppl they find you repulsive wicked so far.
Giacomo Latta says
I wonder if this knob has ever read Quran (2:50): “And recall when We parted the seas for you and saved you and drowned the people of Pharaoh while you were looking on.” So the parting of the Red Sea had nothing to do with God, Moses or perhaps advantageous weather conditions. Muslims saved some Jewish lives in the time of the Pharaoh. Well, they certainly haven’t been doing a lot of that lately!
eduardo odraude says
Can you criminalize what is already criminal?
He said it. So the obvious solution is to kick that SOB out of the country. Sooner the better.