The taxes will lead to complaints of “Islamophobia” and possibly to increased rioting. The Muslims in France are almost certain to reject any French government plan to bring Islam in line with French principles. This is because the French government is not Muslim. Would Christians accept the dictates of a commission established by an Islamic government that presumed to dictate what Christianity was and was not? Of course not, and in this case, the unlikelihood of Macron’s plan succeeding is compounded by the fact that the Qur’an calls Muslims “the best of people produced for mankind, enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong” (3:110), while the unbelievers are “the most vile of created beings” (98:6). Should the best of people, who know what is right and wrong, accept dictation from the most vile of created beings? As I show in my new book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, there is scant historical precedent for this.
“Le Monde publishes Macron’s plan to reform Islam in France,” ANSAmed, July 5, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
(ANSAmed) – PARIS, JULY 5 – A confidential statement to French President Emmanuel Macron by one of his closest collaborators and published Thursday by French daily Le Monde outlines a plan to regulate Islam by making financing transparent and better integrating the community based on the principles of French social and economic life.
The plan was drawn up by Macron collaborator Hakim El Karoui, and provides for the creation of an association managed by French Muslims that will train and pay the imams, remodel the mosques and manage communication.
It will be financed by a tax on halal food products and on pilgrimages to Mecca…
Prophesy says
Nope. He’s lying.
This class have lost all trust. They will be held accountable for what they’ve done and in the not too distant future too if I read the tea-leaves correctly.
There really is no soft-landing any more. Window of opportunity on that passed a few years ago now.
I have a sense of the ideology of things but I still can’t wrap my head around why this traitor class have done what they have done?
Do they seriously believe they won’t, eventually, suffer too?
Anton Filipenkov says
I suppose they seriously believe it. Dozens of years of considerably peaceful and secured life made them forget about cruelty of the world, atrocities commited by vile people. Yet they welcome those who did not forget it and who commit such atrocities themselves.
Julea Bacall says
Why? BUSINESS and profit from Muslim Countries. Power over energy sources instead of using brains & working with Israel. France made mistakes with nazis& now with Islam thinking they could handle it, thinking Muslims would work WITH them.
Apathy Rules the World says
Well good luck with that mate!
Westman says
Agreed!
I keep checking the calendar to see if it’s the first day of April. If this story is true and Macron goes ahead with such a plan, he may need to beef up his security detail in case there is a “misunderstanding” by the proponents of the Religion Of Peace.
Westman says
Oh, my! There is a problem here due to the French food industry converting to halal preparation methods. Can the French buy anything but halal meat these days? Imagine the howl of the unbelieving French when they are taxed, via the decision of the meat industry to go halal, to pay for Mosques, Imams, and renovations.
Julea Bacall says
He thinks its better to Re-Make French Islam with French rules but I wonder if he will try to re-wright the Qur’an & get rid of the hateful Anti Jew anti Multicultural? or will he USE it to make the world a completely worse place & eventually into war. Will he say, we will go along with your hate Israel if you make a French Islam for Temp to get along with us. France will become hated as much as Islam is.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Julea Bacall,
I think you are quite right when you say that there are many interests (especially economic).
When we are dealing with Islam which is a totalitarian ideology, I think we should forget the concept of a full frontal assault. As of now, we have no alternative, and Macron knows it.
Cordialement.
No Fear says
A tax, by a Christian nation, on trips to mecca! Watch the Mohammedans squeal about that. I hope the amount of the tax is increased in proportion to their volume of squealing.
Bill says
Is there a tax on Christian churches in France? If so, that is unwise public policy all around. Tax all religions into oblivion. Just what the socialist global elite are hoping for.
If not, this clever stunt is a precursor to laying such a tax on Christian activities. French coffers will fill from Christians who would obediently pay the tax while the muslims will refuse and commit acts of murder in protest.
Linda says
How will Muslims like a jizya of their own to pay?
jayell says
A better idea would be to place a tax on mosques to cover the cost of excessive muslim crime and any other social costs incurred by muslims as a direct.result of islamic or sharia dogma or where muslims as a group can be shown to deviate from the norm. To be scrupulously fair, you calculate the total costs resulting from muslim crime, which would include all police and court costs, insurance costs, and medical and compensation costs to victims, then calculate the extent to which that exceeds the average in relation to the proportion of muslims in the population. You then do likewise with social security, family allowance and housing costs (which would cover the costs of polygamous wives claiming housing allowances as ‘single mothers’). My guess is that the global amount resulting might reach £multi-millions per year, which would be charged to all islamic institutions (divided according to the size of each institution) on the grounds that they actively represent and sustain the ideology that is responsible for the excessive costs to society and are therefore liable for for the resulting costs to society. Where any institution fails or refuses to pay, the matter would be treated as any normal default, the institution’s assets seized and its officers prosecuted. Any consequences of these actions (e.g., muslims obstructing the highway for prayer due to loss of mosque facilities) would be treated through the normal criminal channels, and these costs added to the following year’s global amount. If the muslim community feels it has a right to complain, then one only has to point to the fact that this is exactly what muslim societies do to their own non-islamic minorities in the form of the ‘giyzya’ tax, except that in this case there would be a justification because society would merely be reclaiming excessive costs incurred by muslims as an identifiable group, and not a gratuitously vindictive measure without economic justification.
jayell says
Sorry, forgot to specify ‘prison costs’ in addition to police, court, etc. With muslim prisoners exceeding their ‘quota’ by an average 10-15% in most prisons, the costs (at about £40,000 per prisoner per year, not including any ‘special considerations’) would be considerable, to say the very least.
infidel says
Jayell I LOVED this REVERSE-JIZZIA scheme of Urs and it sounds incredibly fair, Yes, Muslims are BIG BURDEN in all formats, not only to the host infidel society but also to themselves… EXTREMELY PARASITIC…. I have always held that if India dreams to become a big tech power, thanks to Hindu hard yakka and brains… it will all be in vain if it cannot control its Muslim population….
Janette Wells says
What a well worked out idea Jayell. Would be a fair way to shaft the costs back to those who create them.
David says
Jayell, you didn’t mention the closing of mosques were radical imams preach.
I heard this good Idea the other day. Child benefit only paid for two children, based on the father!!!!
St. Manuel II Palailogos says
This is racist Islamophobia.
RichardL says
No, it is islamocide!
Westman says
I’m guessing that it will be DOA.
Juanpablo Vegaromero says
No is not, is reality…They want to take over everywhere they go….Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!
Julea Bacall says
It is not ‘racist’ nor is it ‘Islamophobia’. Is that all you’ve got for you feeble excuse to block your movement over other people, which is so wrong. What you do to others, gets done to you.
FYI says
“..to integrate muslims..”
That might be difficult;allah,who CURSES Jews AND Christians{koran 9:30} doesn’t want muslims to integrate.
“Oh ye who believe!take not the Jews and Christians for friends.They are friends to one another”
koran 5 v 51
And you can see why mass islamic immigration is socially divisive from k5:51.
allah,who CURSES the Jews{“Apes,to be despised and hated”k2:65}doesn’t want his “holy” people
to be associated with THOSE dreadful people,the Jews{you know..people like Moses and Jesus Christ;yes,those “apes and pigs to be despised and hated”}.
(allah didn’t think k2V 65 through did he?)
muslims consider themselves to be the holiest people in the world with their “perfect” koran and their “perfect” *prophet,who put on that display of false piety and “pray” 5 times a day{…including a “prayer” that insults Jews and Christians..the fatiha…} to an antichristian,antiJewish {k9:30} misogynistic,theologically challenged,morally questionable shadow god who promotes hate and violence{k2:191}toward all non-muslims ,completely MISSED the essential 2 chief commandments and tells muslims they can actually break God’s Commandments{as long as it is done against infidels} and be rewarded in allah’s carnal,narcissisticparadise(where you can even get a “pearly boy” if you like..)for doing so.
“Perfect” indeed.
The more “devout” muslims are not likely to want to integrate…because allah himself disapproves:and he hates Jews AND Christians.k9:30.Mainly the Jews.
That is some achievement for allah in his “perfect” book:insulting not one,but TWO world religions.
Any talk of muslims integrating {or “interfaith dialog” with naïve,dhimmi Christians from Kumbyaa-land}should always be referenced by what allah says in k5:51.
alalh does not subscribe to God’s 2nd chief commandment.
Even those “nice” Sufis follow the antichristian,antiJewish,misogynistic god “allah” and his mass-murdering, self-confessed, false prophet muhammed{al tabari 6:111}
*Obviously the word “perfect” in islam means something completely different:it means.. imperfect.
“perfect” muhammed admitted to being a fraud[al tabari 6:111} and,unlike True prophets of God{Moses,Elijah,Christ}it seems perfect mo completely missed the bit about actually OBEYING ANY of God’s Commandments….the “perfect” koran has multiple theological errors(which muslims can’t see…) and it was given in a cave to mo by the mysterious “angel” jibreel who in islam is called “The Enemy of the Jews”{bukhari 4:60:3329}
So an anti-Semitic “angel” called jibreel{not to be confused with the Angel Gabriel..} gave to a mass-murdering{Abu Dawud 4390},self confessed false prophet muhammed,the violently anti-Semitic and antichristian “holy” koran from allah the god of islam who CURSES the Jews koran 9:30)..
Be honest if you are a muslim:that doesn’t sound “perfect”..does it?The “perfect” koran and islam have,in metaphorical terms,more {theological} holes than a Swiss cheese.
islam: a house of cards built on a foundation of shifting sands..in an earthquake zone..
Axolotl says
“islam: a house of cards built on a foundation of shifting sands..in an earthquake zone..”
Maintained solely by the fact that leaving it will very likely get you murdered.
infidel says
Malaysia REFUSES to deport WANTED TERROR PREACHER Zakir Naik back to India.. At the end of the day… a Muslim country is a Muslim country and Malaysia is supposed to be an epitome of moderate Islam..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/zakir-naik-will-not-be-deported-malaysia-pm-mahathir-mohamad/articleshow/64882527.cms
obieone says
Taxing halal meat! Did anyone in the UK get asked if they wanted their meat blessed by some alien preacher from some alien country-nope. So in the uk we’d all have to pay taxes on the meat because some fruit loop has blessed it all.
Janette Wells says
I think that in the UK like Australia there is still sufficient production that is not halal. In the end I believe the market pricing will guide the consumer. If non-halal goods are cheaper because they are not taxed then consumers will soon latch on. In 2015 the Australian Gov’t had an
an enquiry into halal cerification which revealed that there were abuses and action points were given. Needless to say they have not be actioned as yet. Senator Corey Bernardi of the new party Australian Conservatives is still banging the drum to get them implemented. What I would like to see is the stimulation of the non-halal food and goods market. Also mandatory labelling of halal and non halal food so the consumer has a good choice.
Axolotl says
“Macron plans … to integrate Muslims based on French principles” Good luck with that one, sunshine.
Macron, Merkel, May et al still don’t get it – read the damn books, you idiots!
From Mr Collins wonderful English Dictionary:
“integrate, verb
If someone integrates into a social group, or is integrated into it, they behave in such a way that they become part of the group or are accepted into it.”
The vast majority of Westerners don’t have a problem with this. It is islam that will not compromise. From dress to the the call to prayer, and all things political, the ONLY change muslims will accept is islam’s domination of the host society.
Yet our dozy leaders even let muslims swear their oath of office on the book that spells it out. When they say “I do solemnly swear…”, it’s to the Koran and islam, not the state.
No Muzzies Here says
France is officially a secular state. There is no establishment of any religion.
Here’s what to do, Monsieur Macron. Enforce the bloody law for ALL, equally! NO special privileges or treatment for les Musulmans! If they don’t respect the rights of others, they are sent to jail!
Monsieur Macron is a starry-eyed idealist. He actually seems to believe that it’s possible for practicing Muslims to integrate in a civilized society.
Pas vrai, Monsieur Macron. Ne vous faites pas d’illusions.
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
I would think that France, like all western nations, have cruelty to animal laws on the books. What this traitor Macron should be doing is applying those laws.
Older Canadian says
Yes you are so correct, the method of slaughter is terrible, but when B. Bardo opposed it, it cost her dearly.
Rarely says
Did I read this correctly?
The French plan to tax muslims (halal meat and pilgrimages) and turn the proceeds over to a group of muslims to support Islamic institutions in France? This is somehow or other designed to help muslims better integrate into French society by financing the training of imams and building/repair of mosques?
Sounds to me like this might cause the further development of a separate Islamic society in France.
It will be interesting to see how this muslim committee is formed to ensure the sunnis and shias each get their fair share. LOL
Let them fund their own religion through “voluntary” dues/contributions like every other religion must.
Or does the French gov’t help finance Catholic and/or Jewish institutions in France either directly or by taxing the adherents on behalf of the religion? Do they tax pilgrims to the Holy Land and turn it over to a group of Christians to promote the various branches of Christianity?
Of course it’s also a tax on non-muslims who eat in a restaurant that serves halal meat or shop in a store that only sells halal meat.
This would be a bureaucratic nightmare.Weird.
gravenimage says
Good points, Rarely.
Halal Bacon says
I miss the days of Sarkozy’s sex scandals 🙁
R.I.P. France
Rarely says
As I recall those sex scandals didn’t have anything to do with young boys, gang rapes, sheep, goats or goldfish. Hardly even newsworthy today.
Wellington says
Integrate Muslims?
One can take this approach that Macron is taking only if one assumes that Islam is just another religion.
But it isn’t.
Karen says
“It will be financed by a tax on halal food products and on pilgrimages to Mecca…”
This sounds like a bad idea, and very discriminatory.
Instead of targeting aspects of Islamic life for special taxation, why not vigorously stand up for French principles, culture, language, and integration? Every immigrant should be handed information on what is *expected* of them when they enter the country, legally or otherwise – full embrace of the French way of life, and willing integration into French society. No “economic migrants”, who benefit from the French economy, but who have disdain for French culture and principles.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
French mithraist christians then consider paying compensation and reparations to Algerians for 15% Algerians killed during French brutal colonisation of Algeria and attempt to annex it into France. wicked people of genocide inspired by the Satan in Samuel 15:3
Rarely says
The 15% didn’t die—they immigrated to France.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Rarely,you mean the deads were resurrected by your Satan god in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods and migrated to killer France. Hilarious!!
Julea Bacall says
Your superstitions are outdated and comic but if you try to back them up you will be crushed. Others have rights and your teachings are bogus and only to incite conquest over others. Your teachings are just not real. They are using you only to fight the world for who? not for Allah that is sure. Please do not be afraid to face the myths of old. We have all had to on different levels.
gravenimage says
What a load of tripe. France only went into Algeria in the first place because Muslims there would not stop pirating Infidels.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
ignorant liar Gravenimage, Were all Algerians pirates to justify mass killings of up to 15% of them?
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
You are right IBRAHAM they only killed 20% of these sex slavers and rapist and murderers. Very foolish, 100% would have been much better. Oh well next time the kafirs will do a better job.
Julea Bacall says
Are you serious not to examine why & what was the fault of Algeria? I thought that was supposed to be the higher jihad? Its like your nothing but excuses and hypocritical actions for another agenda. We do not, cannot, BELIEVE in you or yours.
gravenimage says
Of course, Ibrahim itace muhammed has no problem with his coreligionists pirating and enslaving Infidels.
Why would he? This is what the “Prophet” himself did.
And his claims come from a single source–Australian Ben Kiernan’s book. I have not seen them substantiated anywhere else.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Ibrahim itace muhammed,
You probably forgot why France declared war against Algeria :
The Regency of Algiers was one of the main bases of the Barbary pirates and Barbary Slave Traders who attacked Christian ships and coastal settlements in the Mediterranean and North Atlantic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_conquest_of_Algeria
Michael Copeland says
As one of Lee Rigby’s killers shouted at the judge:
“You don’t know what Islam is.”
The same applies to this dangerously ignorant man.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Susan B, then your Satan god (Holy Spirit) will be happier. wicked god of genocide!!
Susan B is getting really mad@# says
Ibraham, I have no concerns about God, he will deal with your satanic cult of rapist and murderers in due course. You are on the side of the Devil/allah and embrace evil, that comes with a big price tag. Are you willing to pay??
gravenimage says
Note that Ibrahim itace muhammed has no problem with his coreligionists beheading victims in the streets. *Ugh*.
Older Canadian says
Believe it when I see it.
The real reasons behind this….would like to know, but assume will never know.
gravenimage says
France: Macron plans to tax halal food and pilgrimages to Mecca, and to integrate Muslims based on French principles
……………………..
You can’t Integrate Muslims into civilized societies. Just stop the invasion and start deporting–start with the most obvious Jihadists.
Gjallarhornet says
Still, it is a sign that the times they are a changing, however slight. So far Macron has been weak, and Spencer is right in pointing out the inherent contradiction in the proposals – islam to be ruled by kuffar? -, but this is still somewhat encouraging. Why? Because it shows that Macron has gotten a whiff of what people feel. Finally. The ship, ship meaning the European political everyday dealings with islam, is slowly starting to turn. As anybody who has been by the wheel of a large ship knows – it takes a lot of time before the order to turn is given until the vessel actually starts turning. Europe is starting to approach the final stages of the thought process, the “shall we turn? What shall we do?”-stage? After that there is the decision, the order, the implementation, the waiting … before the ship starts to move … into safer waters.
As for muslims, if they don’t like proposals like this, then they can go to somewhere else. Truth is, there will be a lot more tightening of the screws on islam, so they better get used to it.
gravenimage says
+1
Janette Wells says
Yes, that is what I took from the article that a change is in the air. This proposal would never have come to light before. Like the UK and the Tommy Robinson debacle an increasing no of the population are saying no to organised industrial gang rapes of its young girls.and now No to halal for non muslims. A lady called Kiralee Smith in Australia started a website called “Halal Choices” over 5 years ago in which she listed every food product on Australian supermarket shelves and confirmed whether they were halal certified or not. You can check almost every food you buy. Very interesting reading! I would hope that a non halal food market would be promoted which Christians/Atheists and any other objector can use. I await to see what happens.
Peter says
I love this idea. Brilliant. Only the French could be so bold as they have the largest Islamic population in ANY civilized culture on earth. Nearly 10%. Macron understands perfectly well this will fail and I predict absolute failure, like the Maginot line. BUT, Now the French people must come to terms they have invaders on their soil, a modern cultural plague. What will the a French do?
Ideas?
barebones says
Remember in 2001; Homer Simpson? “Cheese eating Surrender Monkeys.”
Lavéritétriomphera says
I have already responded to this stupid and insulting humor and some Americans too https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=akgYIeczu7s.
Horseman says
Macron is just another Jihad enabler politician with blood on his hands.
Steve says
Macron is a dangerous moron regarding islam.