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Generation Identity’s Tom Dupre – Islam and the West

Jul 10, 2018 10:00 am By Joshua Winston

Tom Dupre has recently lost his job as a banker because of his activism, and he has been physically assaulted by Antifa for his politics and opinion. He is the co-leader of the UK’s Generation Identity movement, and I had the chance to meet up with him in London for a chat.

JW – What is the biggest misconception about Generation Identity or yourself?

TD – That we’re a far-right extremist group, or the new EDL or Britain First. We’re not. We engage in meta-politics, which means that we force media coverage on issues that they are currently ignoring. We do this by draping massive banners off of bridges or buildings, for example. Or by turning up at events with banners and leaflets, and we do all of this in a very non-combative way. We’re all about engaging in dialogue and debate, things that the left are incapable of doing. We’re not Antifa and we don’t riot, nor do we try to impose our viewpoint on others. We’re simply looking for a seat at the table.

JW – You front an ethno-cultural movement here in the UK. Regrettably, people conflate ethnicity with race, when at no point does a person’s skin tone enter the equation. Muslims who are born in the UK today are labeling themselves with the ethno-cultural identity of their parents. We have people who call themselves Pakistani Brits, or Pakistani Scots, and this is giving rise to new kinds of ethno-cultural groups. What is an ethno-culture?

TD – Ethno-cultures cross over and stretch back generations and have nothing to do with race. Instead, one’s ethno-culture considers a group’s history, core values, cultural habits and practices which people agree on and adhere to, as well as sharing a desire to preserve and uphold a group’s traditions and pass them on to future generations. Islam provides a very strong ethno-culture that people want to connect to, and it offers an identity that can’t be recognized in a person’s physiognomy or skin tone, so it’s perplexing that critics of Islamic scripture are labeled as racists. Muslims have the supranational concept of the ummah (a worldwide brotherhood that transcends geographical boundaries and nation states), and this is why it’s typical for Muslims to identify as being Muslim first, with their nationality coming in behind that. A practicing Muslim’s allegiance and identity is centred around Islam. This is different to a Catholic’s relationship to himself, for instance, where adherents would recognize that they share the same religion but not the same ethnicity as other Catholics. Catholics would be Greek or English first, and their religious identity would be a thing apart from their national identity while remaining a component part of their ethnic identity.

JW – Leftists run with the lie that we, the indigenous Brit, created Muslim ghettos by dumping a load of people in deprived areas, but the opposite is true. Muslims have spent decades creating enclaves where they can live among their own tribe or ethnic group. This, to my mind, is proof that ethno-culturalism is a perfectly natural thing, and it also proves that multi-culturalism is not the way forward. The more differences you have between people simply gives rise to more conflict. Do you agree?

TS – You can see the failure of multi-culturalism by the building of these enclaves. People choose to live by themselves, and this becomes a problem the higher the numbers get. It gives rise to such things as bloc voting. If enough people vote for sharia, then you’ll have to give it to them, and the rest of us will have to live under it. Our democracy was unprepared for a multi-cultural society, because voting blocs undermine the whole thing. It’s subversive. Splintered identities is not a sign of a healthy culture. Meta ethno-cultures, where people identify as being ethnic Pakistani or ethnic Arab, etc., leads to a loss of ethnicity. When it comes to integration, different groups have different reasons for doing that. No one has a problem with Chinatown, for example. It’s a fun place to visit with no ideological incentive behind it. It’s a business venture, and it’s a welcoming place to visit to partake of food and alcohol. I used to live in Tower Hamlets, and I’d see the pubs close down in areas that are heavily populated with Muslims, as more and more mosques got opened.

JW – Are demographics important from an ethno-cultural standpoint?

TD – Yes. With Islam, you absolutely do need to look at the demographics. Muslims are having two to three times more children than other ethnic groups. The family life is the opposite of what a traditional UK family’s is. Look at the latest Pew reports, which state that the Muslim population of the UK and Europe will triple by the year 2050. That is within my lifetime. Obviously, this will have an irreversible impact on the English way of life. Parts of Tower Hamlets, on a street level, already look like a country very different to England. These areas more closely resemble parts of Bangladesh or Pakistan. Some delivery drivers won’t enter Shadwell, and other areas are definitely no-go zones at certain times, especially at night and depending on what type of person wants to enter them. There’s a cultural deadening that happens. When you get a big enough community that has a strong loyalty to their ethnicity, and sufficient numbers to make parallel societies, you’re in for trouble.

JW – As a culture, what does Islam have to offer Europe or the UK? What makes our culture superior? I’m tired of being told that England has no culture, and I’m tired of white culture being presented as something that is synonymous with blandness by the entertainment industry.

TD – Britain has a high culture, a popular culture, and the richest literary tradition of any country in the world. Contrast that with Islamic culture. The history of Islam is quite a sad one; it’s anti-modernity, the go-to thing if you hate America and democracy, and this is why the hard-left flirt with it. The idea that you can share a land or a culture with people who don’t share your core values is crazy.

JW – Muslims and people of colour are being used by the left as a political weapon to beat people over the head with. Regrettably, people are buying into and taking advantage of this nonsensical notion that institutional racism is a major problem in the UK, and that such a thing even exists. I call it whining your way to the top. Studies show that it is now working-class white boys who are the neglected group in today’s UK, thanks to all of these frenzied attempts at inclusion and equality of outcome.

TD – It’s almost like a religious frenzy in today’s politically correct UK, where we are ignoring the successes of other countries and choosing instead to double down on inclusion and make more laws against sexual harassment, while letting rapists walk free because of cultural differences. The BBC have training programs that exclude white people. This is racism. If you tried to set up a charity for white working class boys, this would be racist and someone would find a way to shut you down. By the end of the next century, we will see China becoming far more powerful than America, and the reason is because we don’t have a democratic outlook for our future. There’s no incentive to challenge the current politically correct situation.

JW – I keep hearing talk of an upcoming civil war, but I don’t think this will happen. The takeover is happening at too slow and insidious a pace.

TD – There will never be a civil war. Instead, there will be a slow-motion, papered-over cracks failure. We’ll cease to be a functioning democracy and economy, and we’ll stop being a useful country. Look at Singapore or the Far East, Japan or Taiwan as examples. Their infrastructure and technology are ten years ahead of ours, because they employ people based on their skill-set and merit only, and they are starting to eat us alive. When we get into this narrow way of thinking, such as it’s Islam vs the West or Islam vs the rest of the world, there’s a tendency to ignore what’s going on in other parts of the world. China is investing billions in AI (artificial intelligence) systems. Putin has stated that whoever masters this will control the world. In Europe, the EU is busy asking how we can make this intelligence work for humans and how can we remove any biases. We will be economically colonized by countries who aren’t politically correct. China has opened re-education camps, where Muslims are forced to eat bacon. In some regions, Muslims aren’t allowed to board buses if they are wearing beards or headscarves. China is doing this because they have a zero tolerance approach to religious fanaticism, and they won’t tolerate divided societies. I don’t agree with it, and this is an example of state intervention taken too far, but the difference in approach between China and the UK could not be starker. It won’t be that we will be overcome by Islam, of course there will be more adherents and that will present its own challenges, but we’ll be crippled economically while needing to live alongside people who detest us.

JW –  Any last thoughts on this multi-cultural experiment we’re currently having to contend with?

TD – A multi-cultural society is not going to happen. In that scenario, everything will be homogenized and everything destroyed. The very concept goes against human nature. The government is attempting to sell us a dream that’s not going to work. Other people will start voting in blocs, both black and white, and you’ll see racial politics begin to appear and that will undermine democracy and the multi-cultural myth.

JW – And Antifa?

TD – They’re funny, running around trying to beat up working-class people and impose their upper middle-class politics and moral standards onto them in an attempt to dictate how people can act. I don’t want Antifa to go away, because they will continue to radicalize more people against them. When they marched from Speakers’ Corner down Oxford street setting off flares, I think every single person who was walking past them thought to themselves whatever they are, I’m the opposite.

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  1. Mac-101 says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 10:16 am

    These Neo Bolshevik scum first go after your job. Then it will be sending us to ReEducation camps like Bill Aires said, Obama’s political mentor. Aires went on to say that 25 million Americans can NOT be ReEducated. You KNOW what dat means in Commie Talk! Then it will be the wholesale slaughter of ALL those who resist and even the useful idiots who support them if THEY perceive them to be a threat!

    • Andy says

      Jul 10, 2018 at 10:25 am

      LIVE: Senate Responds to Judge Brett Kavanaugh as President Trump’s Pick to the Supreme Court

      • Mac-101 says

        Jul 10, 2018 at 10:45 am

        Let’s pray he is real and not a NWO Deep State Sleeper. His past support for Illegal Aliens to git a US gubermint funded abortion scares me! This is just SO wrong. I don’t care if Abortion is legal. That is a decision between the women, G-d and Satan. I do NOT want the gubermint to pay for it. That makes me responsible!

    • Berengaria says

      Jul 10, 2018 at 11:12 am

      I would imagine that there are thousands of UK Citizens, who
      have been Doxed into Silence,
      but of course,
      we would never know about it.
      Tom DuPre is just one, who has been able to explain what happens to a White Person, who dares to tell the Truth about a Multi-Mob Society, where every Culture is highly valued, with the Exception of the Culture of Western Civilization.
      The “Doxation Procedure” is rampant in the US, Too!

      • Mac-101 says

        Jul 10, 2018 at 3:58 pm

        Same tactics as used the Commies, Fascist and Muslims. Silence ALL opposition, then, once enough power is accumulated KILL them!

    • Lydia Church says

      Jul 10, 2018 at 5:11 pm

      There is a slow mass propaganda at work all over society that is the ‘re-education’ camp. You must know it to resist it. I know what’s ‘up,’ but a good test is to survey what messages are being communicated by the media in any form. It can be movies, popular songs, commercials, half time shows, talk shows, news, bill boards, it’s all around us. Ask yourself if your attitudes and opinions have changed over the last few years as a result, and how. That is a good starting point. You can’t prevent what you are not aware of.

      • Lydia Church says

        Jul 10, 2018 at 5:11 pm

        Oh, and magazines, things like netflix, etc.

        • Mac-101 says

          Jul 10, 2018 at 7:47 pm

          Exactly. The Globalist Scum own ALL the media outlets of ever kind and use it to defile our culture for Satan’s and his NWO benefit!!

    • TWG says

      Jul 11, 2018 at 10:42 am

      Mac 101

      You are spot on with regard to what happens to those who can not be “re-educated”. If you want to see their plans for global disarmament, take a good look at the UN “IDDRS” (Integrated Disarmament Detainment Re-socialization Standards) and pay particular attention to the section titled “Programmes, Operation and Support”. They intend to detain all who own firearms into camps, and to re-educate them. Those who demonstrate any sort of resistance are to be exterminated on the spot. And those who own firearms and who advocate to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are to be exterminated without even detaining them. Because we’re just too much trouble and will cost too much to keep in the camps long enough to “re-educate”. They recognize that some of us just will not EVER allow ourselves to be disarmed.

      The UN IDDRS is the most terrifying document I’ve ever laid eyes on. And I’ve been studying the islamic world war for almost 40 years now. The UN gun grabbers aren’t hiding their intentions with regard to disarmament, but it’s the reason they’re using that is most unsettling. “For the women and children, and for global peace.” What wouldn’t you do for “global peace”? This isn’t a “conspiracy theory”. It’s a fact, and it’s all laid out for all to see if they will just open their eyes and look. But no, we will continue to support and fund their diabolical schemes. How very sad.

      As a staunch gun rights advocate, I’ll never even make it to the camps. And I’m ok with that.

      • Mac-101 says

        Jul 11, 2018 at 12:24 pm

        It’s so obvious I just can’t believe EdUMaKatEd Libs can NOT see what useful idiots they are and how hey are being used by THEM!
        .
        And if u make it to the Camps u will be Forced to renounce Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and take the Mark of the Beast to eat and survive.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 11, 2018 at 11:08 pm

        Citations, please.

        • Mac-101 says

          Jul 12, 2018 at 9:16 am

          Not to see this comin is like bein a Jew in Nazi Germany in 1937 and NOT seein the “Final Solution” the NAZIs had planed for them.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 13, 2018 at 1:23 am

          Mac, there are no such camps.

  2. PRCS says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 11:00 am

    “so it’s perplexing that critics of Islamic scripture are labeled as racists”

    No, it’s not perplexing at all.

    It’s a tactic.

  3. 11B40 says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 11:13 am

    Greetings:

    You got into London ??? Were Prime Ministress May and al-Mayor Khan both asleep at the switch ???

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 10, 2018 at 8:59 pm

      11B40, this interview was not conducted by Robert Spencer, but by Jihad Watch contributor Joshua Winston.

  4. Indiana Tom says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 11:41 am

    Ethno-cultures cross over and stretch back generations and have nothing to do with race.
    Maybe….maybe not.

  5. Indiana Tom says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 11:43 am

    And Antifa?

    TD – They’re funny, running around trying to beat up working-class people and impose their upper middle-class politics and moral standards onto them in an attempt to dictate how people can act.

    Sooo….the Nazi Brownshirts had upper middle-class politics and moral standards?

  6. Indiana Tom says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 11:45 am

    We’ll cease to be a functioning democracy and economy, and we’ll stop being a useful country.
    Britain is doing a good job of almost being there…..and maybe it is.

  7. Indiana Tom says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 11:49 am

    By the end of the next century, we will see China becoming far more powerful than America,
    China has its problems; such as running out of clean water and air. Regional governments are debt ridden. Resource allocation is Soviet style. Labor is no longer cheap.

  8. Indiana Tom says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 11:52 am

    The history of Islam is quite a sad one; it’s anti-modernity, the go-to thing if you hate America and democracy, and this is why the hard-left flirt with it. The idea that you can share a land or a culture with people who don’t share your core values is crazy.
    Hit the nail on the head concerning the red-green axis.
    I hate the West, so I will embrace Islam! Baby pouts!

  9. Guy Forester says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    This looked to me like a bunch of psycho babble. These antfa “warriors” and jihadis are out to kill you. They do not care if it is by violence (although I am sure they enjoy chopping heads, slashing, clubbing, or stomping you to death) or by starvation (denying you the ability to provide for your self and family), they want you dead for merely speaking up.

    Your goals are admirable, but you must be prepared for the reality that the elites that are sponsoring and encouraging the destruction of your culture, way of life, and country want you dead for simply pointing this out and seeking “dialogue.”

    There, does that help clarify things for you?

  10. eduardo odraude says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    I object to a number of aspects of this interview. I’m grateful for Generation Identity’s Tom Dupre and the interviewer Joshua Winston, and I hope they keep doing what they are doing, but to my mind their discussion in this case is confused in a way that harms their, and our, cause.

    For example, the interviewer and interviewee seem confused in their distinction between “ethno-culture” and “race,” or at least not clear in expressing it. Thus after saying the issue is not about race or color — and I agree the Islam issue is not about that — the two nevertheless complain about how “white” boys are treated. Well, is the question about color, or not? You really have to make up your mind, or you are shooting yourselves and us in the foot.

    This particular confusion of Islam with race has long bothered me about the UK Islam-critics’ approach, which frequently mushes up talk about whites and non-whites with criticism of Islam.

    UK Islam-critics don’t seem to realize that talking like that makes the fight against Islam virtually impossible to win. You might get people to struggle against totalitarian encroachment. But you are going to turn off huge numbers of people if you start fomenting tension between whites and non-whites, since most people rightly believe that color is not a choice and no one should be victimized for it. Islam is a choice.

    The mix up of race issues with Islam issues probably started with the PC UK media, which knows that racism is far less defensible than being anti-Islam. Thus to cover itself from seeming to criticize Islam, the UK media, to make things safe and easy for itself, always refers to “Asians” when a Muslim does some jihad. Then the only criticism for the media to raise is against the discriminatory society, since no one blames “Asians” for being “Asian.” That cowardly media fig leaf of “Asian,” while it is an insult to all the non-Muslim Asians, who are not involved in jihad, makes things so much easier for the media, which does not want to confront Islam — too scary — if criticize Islam publicly, you might get murdered by a jihadist, or get fired and ostracized by PC maniacs. So the cowardly media, to get out of harm’s way, throws “Asians” under the bus. It really is despicable.

    And for some reason the UK Islam-critics fall for this media game and are too often careless about distinguishing race from Islam. Even the two gents in the above discussion, who explicitly reject the equation of race with Islam, seem unclear about it here.

    Not only that. The two argue against multiculturalism but don’t seem clear that the big problem with Islam is that it gradually (sometimes suddenly) destroys multiculturalism and substitutes a monoculture. One of the two points out that Chinatown is not a problem, but to get around this sign that multiculturalism can be good, he suggests that Chinatown is not really an example of multiculturalism, it’s only a business venture. But his distinction there is arbitrary and simplistic. Chinatown (I’m thinking of the one in NYC) is indeed an example of benign multiculturalism, where the minority culture in question has no plan or desire to destroy the mainstream culture, and in fact continually integrates with it. To a large extent, Chinatown is just the initial pathway by which many Chinese become Americans and their children leave Chinatown and move into the mainstream.

    Yes, one form of multiculturalism is insane — specifically the suicidal kind that wants to include even Islam, which would destroy multiculturalism over time. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. The good forms of multiculturalism simply mean pluralism, freedom.

    • Joshua Winston says

      Jul 10, 2018 at 3:11 pm

      Pretty sure that the reference to white boys is simply to highlight the racism of the establishments and institutions. The UK, in its rush to embrace every other culture and race, is guilty of neglecting its own. There’s no confusion, I don’t feel, in the article about ethno-culture and race, but it highlights the fact that block voting and racial tensions will grow if the UK continues down the road it’s going.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 10, 2018 at 9:34 pm

        Thank you, Joshua Winston.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Jul 11, 2018 at 3:18 am

        Ok, fair enough. And thank you, Joshua.

  11. Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    https://id-canada.ca/

  12. Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 3:32 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/Generation-Identity-USA-1299054000157915/

  13. Lydia Church says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    I have seen this with so many on the left, for all their boasting of intellectual abilities… they are the ones acting in the most brainless of ways. One example is how they refuse all forms of democracy, all while claiming to fight for it. They can’t tolerate freedom of speech… unless the speaker agrees with them. They are not abstract thinkers in any sense, they can’t understand that someone else has the right to express their views and fight for what they believe in as well, if it disagrees with them. They call THEM the ‘activists’! Irony of ironies! Like they’re not? Then the violence against conservatives or Trump supporters, no tolerance at all! I do think they are trying to overthrow and have a civil war or revolution. And then of course every white person becomes the natural target of non whites… because that just makes ‘so much sense’ to their irrational thinking. Just don’t call it racism (because they are being prejudice against you due to the color of your skin) or they will call you a racist (because you’re white). See the layers of irony here? I do, every day. I was reading about the case involving the shooting in Roseburg, Oregon and how Obama was scheduled to come and talk to them about taking all their guns away and they made it clear he was not welcome with that message. Well in typical leftist fashion, some twinkie from Seattle wrote a piece calling them ‘ignorant, backwards, backwoods,’ and so on. Well knowing me, I went to the comment section to let them know how they were all of that and more, I mean how is it not ‘hick’ to give guns to criminals and not allow good people self defense?! That twinkie was the hickest of all! Of course criminals don’t obtain their guns through lawful means. Duh. Anyway I read on the comment section how they don’t allow any ‘hate speech’… etc.! What a knee slapper! They can call someone every insult for not agreeing with them, but then don’t allow any ‘hate speech’ against them, which would amount to nothing more than pointing out the obvious facts!
    That saying comes to mind: “You’re killing me, Smalls!” Another one I read on ‘the activist mommy’ blog. It was a screamer. Okay, you win. I’ll tell you. The leftists were planning, if abortion got overturned…. the best weapon of all in retaliation…. A SEX STRIKE! : D I could not even make this up! The whole problem was people being promiscuous to begin with! And then murdering the unwanted child! So it was like… go right ahead… have your sex strike! Be my guest!!! : D It’s true, just google it.
    How hilarious is that?!
    We all need a good laugh too, right?
    They are providing the entertainment and humorous material, only at times it is also a horror show.

  14. gravenimage says

    Jul 10, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    Thanks for this interview. Anti-Jihadists are being fired from their jobs and jailed and otherwise persecuted. *Very disturbing*. Kudos to the brave Tom Dupre for continuing to speak out!

  15. infidel says

    Jul 11, 2018 at 3:40 am

    Muslims are the biggest obstacles to the progress of a non-Muslim host country, esp as their numbers increase. OTHER THAN RUINING THEIR OWN NATIONS thru slovenly habits and violence, Muslims also make sure that the infidel host nation is stymied time and time again in its path of progress. It is an OXYMORON to expect Muslims to energetically participate in the strengthening of an infidel nation. The kroan prohibits that, All their actions are for weakening the Khafir and strengthening Islam, how much retrograde or violent or abominable those actions be.. That is why, there is ZILCH to be gained by infidel countries in importing Muslims.

  16. infidel says

    Jul 11, 2018 at 3:44 am

    Tom Supre says and I Quote: ” It won’t be that we will be overcome by Islam, of course there will be more adherents and that will present its own challenges, but we’ll be crippled economically while needing to live alongside people who detest us.”

    I BEG TO DIFFER TOM..Islam WILL OVERCOME U, if U do not take steps of prevention. AND IF ISLAM CANNOT OVERCOME, IT SURE AS HELL WILL RENDER UR COUNTRY INTO MUSLIM AND NON MUSLIM PARTS AT THE LEAST…. (Ps see how Pakistan was created out of India and how India is once again heading for a second partition)..

    • Raja says

      Jul 11, 2018 at 6:16 pm

      Infidel,

      This reminds me of an unconfirmed story of a Muslim, presumably devout who opned his tiled roof and flashed a torch light when a Pakistani war plane was humming over the city of Mumbai (then Bombay) in the Indo Pak war of 1971.

      Your post is insightful.

      .

  17. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Jul 11, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    “Ethno-cultural traditions!”? Babbling nonsense.

    “Culture” is social education – no more, no less.

    Crime-cultures are bad, lawful ones are good.

    Simple!

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