Jihad Watch reader Mark Spahn recently had an interesting email exchange with Ibrahim Hooper, the Communications Director of the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Note, aside from the hilarity of the whole thing, Hooper’s evasiveness, defensiveness, rudeness, and refusal to answer questions — traits we have seen so very many times from him and his fellow Islamic supremacists:
1. Spahn to Hooper:
Dear Mr. Ibrahim Hooper:
Your press release
says that the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is “the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization”. I have seen this assertion for years, so finally I tried looking for the evidence. Unfortunately, with my poor search skills, I was unable to find corroboration on your website cair.com. So please let me ask
[1] What is the nation’s second-largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization?
[2] By what measure is CAIR the largest such organization? By number of dues-paying members? By annual budget?
[3] Please point me to the evidence for CAIR being America’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization.
— Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
2. Hooper to Spahn:
What is your evidence that it is NOT?
3. Spahn to Hooper:
Dear Mr. Hooper:
Thank you for your 8-word reply (“What is your evidence that it [CAIR] is NOT [the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization]?”).
Please excuse me for finding this response childish. It answers none of the three questions I asked. I have made no assertion about the size of CAIR, but you have, and have done so for years. Surely you and your members welcome the opportunity to demonstrate your prominence in your field.
Awaiting your reply, I remain
Puzzled,
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
4. Hooper to Spahn:
You [sic] question is based on the premise that our statement is false. It up to you to provide evidence of its falsity.
5. Spahn to Hooper:
Dear Mr. Hooper:
Huh? My question about CAIR being the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization is based on the premise that you say it is, not on the premise that your statement is false. You make this assertion with your every press release, so surely you are prepared to answer reporters’ skeptical questions about how you came to your conclusion about CAIR’s size. Perhaps you will find it easier to answer the two other questions first: What organization is CAIR’s biggest rival, and by what criterion do you determine the size of an organization?
Please be serious. (And pardon the suspicion that you are kafir infiltrator who is subtlely [sic] making a mockery of CAIR’s apologetics. You are better than that.)
— Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
5. Hooper to Spahn:
Jihad Watch? [Hooper than added screenshots of some recent comments by Mark Spahn at Jihad Watch:]
6. Spahn to Hooper:
Dear Mr. Hooper:
Your two-word comment “Jihad Watch?” looks like a question, but it’s hard to interpret a question that contains no verb. Are you asking what Jihad Watch is? It’s a website where jihad fans discuss things. I think you would enjoy it, and I think with your connection to CAIR you would be an educational resource for this website, being able to clear up any misunderstands [sic] about CAIR (e.g., how big it is) or about Islam in general. This website is run by one Robert Spencer (I think of him as Imam Robert), whom I am sending a copy of this note to. Maybe he will encourage you to be an active participant. And perhaps he will even invite you to write an article about the size of CAIR. This will be right down your alley of fostering American-Islamic relations. (Why didn’t we think of this before? It’s all about bringing people together.)
— Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
7. Hooper to Spahn:
“Show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant.” The Holy Quran, 7:199
8. Spahn to Hooper:
Dear Mr. Hooper:
I don’t want to call you a Hindu or anything, but your answer (a scriptural quotation) sounds cryptically guru-like, requiring a great deal of interpretation. I will heed your parting advice, to show forgiveness and speak for justice, but referring to yourself as “ignorant” is far too modest. Please don’t think of yourself in this way. I forgive your failure to answer seemingly simple, straightforward questions about CAIR, which I interpret as your way to cover your embarrassment about your ignorance. But please don’t feel depressed about this; the sun will come up tomorrow.
— Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
Afterword from Mark Spahn:
A few afterthoughts on my dialogue yesterday with Ibrahim Hooper, whom the CAIR website lists as “the National Communications Director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)”.
For the communications director of a national organization, Mr. Hooper (who holds “a master’s of art [sic] in journalism and mass communication”) is not a very good communicator. He is unable to answer simple, objective questions about his own organization. Could this incompetence be deliberate, what you would expect from an infidel Deep State within the CAIR organization? That doesn’t seem likely. Probably this is just an illustration of the Peter Principle, according to which “an employee is promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent”.
His bio says, “As CAIR’s spokesman he appears frequently on national and international television programs to offer an Islamic perspective on current events or debate controversial issues.” Aha, so maybe his talents are not as a communicator but as a debater. I have not watched any of these debates on national and international television programs, but henceforth I’ll be on the lookout for them.
Actually, his seeming incompetence makes me feel sorry for him. Let’s get out our prayer mats and say a prayer for him: that if he is a Deep State saboteur within CAIR, his infidelity will not be discovered, and that if he is really as unskillful at his job as he seems, Allah (swt)* will grant him the talent to become a better communicator.
— Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
Background information: SWT stands for an Arabic phrase meaning “Glory to Him, the Exalted”. Like the “alll JewS Dog” phrase on the Islamic State flag, this abbreviation was providentially chosen so that it will have meaning in English as well as in Arabic. It is like “God Squad”, but more kinetic: the SWT Team of fighters for Islam’s most dominant, domineering deity.
John Harvey says
The hilariously bad logic used by Hooper raises the question : is he stupid or merely dishonest? My impression of his remarks suggests the former possibility.
Mary says
Probably both.
mortimer says
Hooper is avoiding answering a simple question, namely, BY WHAT YARDSTICK IS CAIR ‘BIGGEST’?
Hooper has NO YARDSTICK and he tries to SLIP-SLIDE in the normal Islamic manner of throwing SAND in the face of the questioner.
HOOPER CANNOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION (the criteria for measuring CAIR’s size).
There are NO CRITERIA apart from an EMPTY CLAIM.
CAIR and Muslims in general (in my experience) NORMALLY make such EXTRAVAGANT and UNSUPPORTED claims and become OFFENDED and COUNTERATTACK when they are challenged to produce HARD, FACTUAL EVIDENCE.
Cooper SLANDERS others when he does not have the answer.
HOW DARE ANYONE DEMAND HOOPER TO JUSTIFY HIS FAKE CLAIMS. That’s what this is about.
CAUGHT WITH YOUR PANTS DOWN, HOOPER. CAIR is home of the BIGGEST LIARS.
Andy says
For CAIR
From The Danforth SpinDoctor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKm5j-oxnA
Andy says
It Will Come In The Name Of Liberalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sMoykZ-lM
Karlee says
No script and nobody with him to help him out.
mortimer says
Hooper should have all the facts at his command as the chief public relations officer or he is INCOMPETENT.
Hooper proves my point magnificently! Namely, that Islam cannot be defended ethically, factually, historically or logically.
Hooper is unable to defend what he is promoting. In fact, we have seen that in debates NO ISLAMIC APOLOGIST CAN DEFEND ISLAM UNDER CROSS-EXAMINATION BY ROBERT SPENCER.
Even the best Islamic apologists and PhD professors CANNOT SUCCESSFULLY defend Islam. They all realize that too.
Hooper realizes it. He doesn’t really believe in Islam, in my view because he is unable to defend it. ATTACKING THE CHARACTER OF QUESTIONERS IS ‘DISTRACTION’ and thus Hooper LOSES FACE by his childish dodging..
gravenimage says
Muslims reject logic, and never think they have anything to prove to the “filthy Infidels”.
J D S says
Hooper statements about CAIR… is like CAIR itself…FULL OF ……..HOLES. There is no civil rights in Islam so why is Hooper preaching it. STUPIDITY BREEDS STUPIDITY!
Richard Koethe says
I have had two similar email discussions with Mr Hooper in the past – both of which were almost identical to Mr Spahn experienced – evasive, non-sequitur hyperbole that ends with personal attacks and derision. I believe it was Joseph Goebbels who said, :If you tell a lie that is big enough and often enough people will believe it” (may not be an exact quote but the context is close).
If the “press” were truly an inquisitive bunch then behavior like what Mr. Hooper continually demonstrates would more widely demonstrate the complete lack of honesty and truthfulness that CAIR peddles.
If people would simply energize their Senators and Representatives to pass the legislation declaring the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization we would be able to deal organizations like CAIR a death blow.
mortimer says
Hooper DEMANDS you take his WORD for his UNSUPPORTED and UNJUSTIFIED OPINION or CLAIMS, then he THROWS SAND IN THE FACE OF THE QUESTIONER if he presses the point and repeats the request for proof.
Hooper is shovelling hot, steaming piles of farm-fresh TAQIYYA every day.
He must have trouble looking at himself in the mirror. HOW DEPRESSING A LITTLE NOBODY HOOPER IS.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Richard. If you kept these exchanges, I’m sure many here would be interested in seeing them. I know I would.
Mirren10 says
Well, obviously CAIR **isn’t** the “nation’s largest Muslim civil rights” group”, and poor Mr Hooper just can’t bear to admit that. Diddums.
Seriously though, the exchange underlines the fundamental contempt for honesty shared by muslims and the left.
gravenimage says
+1
CogitoErgoSum says
Just like our dear friend, Ibrahim Itace Muhammad, Ibrahim Hooper is among the best and brightest spokesmen that Islam has to offer …. which in itself speaks volumes.
Mirren10 says
🙂 🙂
mortimer says
Islamic apologists who have faced cross-examination all fall apart when the contradictory texts of Islam are presented.
There is no CONSISTENT DOCTRINE in Islam, since it virtually ALL ‘DUALISTIC’. Allah talks out of both sides of his mouth and so does Mohammed.
Hooper is INCOMPETENT and simply DOESN’T HAVE ANY FACTS TO SUPPORT THE EXTRAVAGANT CLAIM THAT CAIR IS ‘BIGGEST’.
CAIR is the ‘BIGGEST’ and BEST-FUNDED collection of TAQIYYA/DISINFORMATION ARTISTS.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
762x51FMJ says
Egypt is sentencing a large number of Morsi MB supporters 79 have death sentences already,
Around 750 more await,
I saw it today Fox website.
eduardo odraude says
Islam has always devoured its children, like other totalitarian revolutions.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Eduardo.
livingengine says
Thank you, Mark Spahn!
Call the station whenever you see CAIR on TV. They are using local news broadcasts as commercials for themselves. Here is one recent example where CAIR calls a news conference accusing ICE agents of conducting impromptu traffic stops. CAIR provides no evidence for their claim, and even the reporter can’t save this non-story. https://www.wxyz.com/news/ice-agents-accused-of-fishing-for-undocumented-people-in-hamtramck?autoplay=true
Here is another one where two people from Brooklyn are talking on a bus. This is characterized as a hate incident because one of these people is wearing a hijab. The other person is reported as fleeing the scene when all she did was walk from the bus stop to her destination. Of course, CAIR gets into the act by urging the MTA to pay for one of CAIR’s workshops.http://abc7ny.com/society/ride-along-held-to-show-support-for-muslim-woman-verbally-attacked-on-bus/3769398/
Many more examples of this can be found here – https://www.facebook.com/CAIRHATEREPORT/
See something about CAIR on the TV news? Call the station to complain, and ask the broadcaster to start qualifying CAIR as controversial, or better yet, as the Hamas-linked Council on American Islamic Relations.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the links.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
As far as I am concerned, Living Engine, the the big news from your first clip is that the town Hamtramck is pronounced not with two syllables, as “HAM-tramk”, but with three syllables, as “ham-TRAM-ick”. Who knew? See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamtramck%2C_Michigan
livingengine says
Here is another example of CAIR getting on TV for no good reason. https://gellerreport.com/2018/02/california-hate-cair.html/
I started calling my local CBS affiliate after they had Basim Elkarra on twice in one week. I was told i was the only one complaining. Well, those were fighting words, and I started calling news stations all over the country whenever they put CAIR on the news.
Today, my CBS affiliate told me they no long use CAIR on the broadcast. This approach seems to be working.
Any counter-jihad activists looking for something to do might consider calling the station when CAIR shows up on the news.
Let’s get’em.
gravenimage says
Good for you!
gravenimage says
Hamas-linked CAIR’s Ibrahim Hooper refuses to prove CAIR’s claim to be “nation’s largest Muslim civil rights” group
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*Excellent* stuff from Mark Spahn–thank you!
It does not surprise that Ibrahim Hooper dodged your very simple question.
More:
“Show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant.” The Holy Quran, 7:199
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The surrounding verses condemn Christians–and by extension all Infidels–and suggests that they are demons…
eduardo odraude says
Mark Spahn, funny interchange, thanks.
Georg says
Agreed (though Islamist Guy’s humor was unintentional). At least he got he got Douglas “Islamist Guy” reading JW; he’ll probably be making donations by late next week. Allahu akbar.
Indiana Tom says
“nation’s largest Muslim civil rights” group
Contradiction in terms.
There are no civil rights under islam.
Wellington says
Well done, Mark Spahn.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
In thinking further about my recent experience with Ibrahim “Honest Ibe” Hooper, I have completely revised my opinion of him.
I began my interaction with him by asking him a simple question about his organization, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR): Why do you say that CAIR is “the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization”? Mr. Hooper could have simply answered the question, I would have said “Thank you”, and that would have been the end.
Instead, he “played” me, by giving me a nonsequitur answer he knew would prompt another question from me. And he kept doing this to prolong our back-and-forth dialogue. At each step, he gave an outrageous answer, and I became his dim-witted chump of a straightman, feeding him bland prompts for more comedic replies. This is very similar to the technique of the Jewish comedian Sacha Baron Cohen, who tricks “civilians” into being a sounding board for his comedy. And come to think of it, this type of comedy is a revival of the comedy of 70 years ago, when the singer Dean Martin fed innocent prompts to the manic comedian Jerry Lewis (look it up on YouTube).
So now I will no longer feel guilty if CAIR fires Ibrahim Hooper as its National Communications Director. This is probably what he is aiming for, to start a new career as the Islamic Sacha Baron Cohen, and make much more money. Yes Ibe, you tricked me, but I don’t hold it against you. You are not a mere hapless functionary promoted beyond your talents in a marginal Muslim organization. You are a comedy genius!
Georg says
“2. Hooper to Spahn:
What is your evidence that it is NOT?”
A response filled with all the charm that is Islam.
Don Rugdee says
The Christian Prince would have asked, ” is he stupid or what.”
Vicky says
The fact that CAIR is allowed to operate inside our borders is proof the federal government is no longer doing it’s job of protecting our country from hostile foreign invaders, and has in fact become a subversive force working against American citizens.
Healer says
CAIR’s Federal Income Tax Return should be a good source from which to determine memberships,,,,,,,
fiona burke says
Thank you Mark Spahn. Your replies were fantastic! Brought many chuckles to a rainy, grey day in England.