This is only a surprise to those who don’t know, or don’t wish to know, that the teachings of jihad warfare and the subjugation of Infidels under the rule of Islamic law are found among all the mainstream Sunni and Shi’ite schools of jurisprudence, and not just among “radicals.” The Sunni schools:
Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates about jihad that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh “˜Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).
Of course, there is no caliph today, and hence the oft-repeated claim that Osama et al are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes “obligatory for everyone” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).
Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”
However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)
Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”
This is also taught by modern-day scholars of Islam. Majid Khadduri was an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad:
The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world….The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state. (P. 51)
Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari’ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: “Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book…is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah.” Nyazee concludes: “This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation” of non-Muslims.
“Radical Teachings Enter Mosques of Gov’t Institutions,” by Sheany, Jakarta Globe, July 9, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Jakarta. Dozens of mosques belonging to state-owned enterprises, ministries and government institutions have strong radical inclinations, a study has shown, revealing a new urgency for the government to step up preventive efforts on its own turf.
The study by the Association of Islamic Boarding Schools and Society Development (P3M) and social organization Rumah Kebangsaan in 2017 listed 41 out of 100 mosques surveyed in Jakarta as radical.
P3M and Rumah Kebangsaan conducted the survey between Sept. 29 and Oct. 21 by analyzing hundreds of video and audio recordings taken by volunteers at 35 mosques in ministries, 28 in government institutions and 37 in state-owned enterprises.
Released on Sunday (08/07), the study found that radical narratives were spread especially during Friday sermons, and included hate speech, calls for the establishment of a caliphate, and a negative portrayal of other faiths.
Mosques at state-owned enterprises are especially vulnerable. According to the study, 21 of them have been infiltrated by radical groups.
“The high indication of radicalism at these mosques shows a lack of attention from the government, as they are structurally under its management,” it said and advised that the Indonesian Mosques Council (DMI) should look into the findings to take appropriate measures….
Carl Goldberg, PhD says
Mosques are neither “radical” nor “non-radical”. They are all Islamic, and they all teach that the Koran is the literal word of their god. That literal word includes the command to make war on non-Moslems! Indonesia is no exception.
abu taleb says
That is true
The European says
In Western media, Indonesia is often portrayed as a country where “moderate” and “tolerant” Islam prevails. Like the myth of the Andalusion paradise of convivencia that seems to be a myth, too.
J D S says
In Roert’s quote from Umdat al-Salak in reference to….the poll tax can only be accepted till Jesus returns then all must be muslim..
Now that is pure stupid bunk ..When Jesus returns every knee will bow to him Christians and non Christian alike….Muslims who have not converted to CHristianity will find themselves in that awful Lake of Fire.-There will be no Islam when Jesus rules..That great Army led by , Jesus will conquer all who oppose him.
CS says
Is Indonesia a successful Muslim country?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkVtAc-uWBw&t=1s
abu taleb says
As an Indonesian, I don’t think Indonesia is a successful country. It is not a real democratic country, there are a lot of oppression and intimidation toward small people. Corruption rate is very high at all levels and all institutions. At the same time, the Islamists are forcing their will on the non muslims, slowly but surely.
I think, in several decades, Indonesia will be like Somalia or Afghanistan
Anthony says
As a minority Christian living in Indonesia, I can’t agree more with your prediction that Indonesia will turn to another Somalia in several decades. The problem is that moslems have better understanding of the teaching and follow them literally, so it’s not a matter of being radicalized, but just being a strict moslem can be very bad.
The other day, I saw a moslem with a t-shirt saying that believers should not vote for unbeliever to be leader of the community ( refer to one of the surah of Al Maidah ), funnily it was in written in English. I hope they don’t have to go such extreme to cite 9:29 or 30.
Julea Bacall says
I know many Indonesian people here in USA. I feel so bad because I used to say in the past that Islam could never stand a chance in that country because Indonesians have such Independent Natures. What happened? I also talked to some of my Indonesian friends here and they said absolutely Indonesia is NOT an Islam country. They say its propaganda by Islam for what they want but as of today it is not. (I really do not know how much it is taken over. Those who are not say it isn’t but those who are say it is….Any amount is too much, I think because its nature is to force growth)
The one thing I disagree with in this article is that there is no Caliph today. There most certainly is and it is in the MIND, just like Islam is. It is a movement. Where ever Muslims get together, they say ‘This is the State of Islam…it is not Sweden where we are. It is not UK where we are. It is the state of Islam wherever we are.’ The Caliph is the ummah wherever they are. Qur’an is the government. The Qur’an is a very cleverly written Warlord a manual for Conquest and complete control of its members making them do all the dirty work for the warlords (from the past and from today)
abu taleb says
It doesn’t matter what kind of nature people have, if they are brainwashed from childhood by Islamic teaching, then most likely they are no longer able to think independently and objectively. With the infiltration of Islamic teaching at schools and in state institutions together with the lack of moral of people, people will stick to Islam and use Islam to gain wealth and power, and force shariah law to other people for their own benefits.
Indonesia is not yet an Islamic country, but it is not too far. It is common to find muslims who think Indonesia belongs to Islam and Indonesia is (or should be) an Islamic country. Only they don’t have enough power to achieve their goal, but they are gaining with the help of opportunists who think the real muslims and shariah law will help the opportunists to be in power and get rich.
Anthony says
If I read history correctly, Islam was introduced into Indonesia through Arab/Moslem traders, so it’s rather peaceful kind of introduction and the people welcome it due to the fact that Islam was “tolerant” to their local beliefs and traditions, so we had cultural Moslem society who still believe in gods/goddesses or spirits or sacrilegious place or objects but as time progressed the,strict teaching of Islam was introduced and Koran was translated in Indonesian and with better understanding of the teaching of Islam, people are becoming more religious so now it’s showing the true face of Islam, sad fact.
abu taleb says
Islam invasion was stopped at India, therefore the muslims were “forced” to come to Indonesia on individual basis. However, I don’t think the muslims in Indonesia were so peaceful when they took over the Hindu/Budhist kingdoms who were incumbent. For example, the Hindu people had to run away to Bali or Tengger when the muslims took control of Java. If the muslims then were that tolerant, why there were hardly any Hindu/Budhist people left in Java and Sumatera?
I believe, the muslims in Indonesia were “tolerant” because they did not have enough power to implement the Islamic law during the Dutch colonialization and later the secular Indonesian government. But seems the situation will soon change, sadly.
gravenimage says
Thank you, abu taleb and Anthony. Grim assessment.
gravenimage says
Indonesia: Mosque survey finds 41% of Jakarta mosques are “radical,” including many that are state-owned
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This should surprise no one.
infidel says
Islam ALWAYS NEEDS TO BE MONITORED AND SUPERVISED by an IRON HAND. Left to itself, it spreads like an uncontrolled wildfire or an extremely virulent tumor and ends with death and destruction of innocents.
infidel says
This, in itself, is another Islamic TRUISM from the annals of the infidel
Michael says
Very true. That’s the only real solution. Make sure that Islamist lunatics are kept away from state power at whatever cost and make sure that Muslims don’t achieve a significant percentage of a country’s population. Also keep a close eye on mosques to make sure that poison is not being preached there. Constant vigilance is needed when dealing with radical Islam.
dumbledoresarmy says
And meanwhile, Australia’s national broadcaster runs an entire article about Indonesia that manages to avoid using the word “Islam”, “Muslims” or “Jihad”, from beginning to end!
And that tries to con Aussies into thinking that a closer relationship with Islamic Indonesia would be a jolly good thing… because, donchaknow, Indonesia is going to be *very rich* and *very big* and *very powerful* so we need to get in good with them (puke, spit)…
grooming us for dhimmi status, or vassal status, or plundered-province status…
like the dreadful ‘Eurabia’ concept in the northern hemisphere.
Here’s the link to the article. Any Aussie who knows anything about Islam will read it and then leap up and shout. HELL, NO!!!!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-09/why-a-powerful-indonesia-may-matter-more-than-china/9940834
“Why a powerful Indonesia could influence Australia’s future more than China”
Quote, from toward the end – “A Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) spokesperson said Indonesia was one of Australia’s most important bilateral partners.
“We share a close, comprehensive and enduring relationship spanning a wide range of areas from economic, trade and investment, to defence and security, people to people links, tourism and education,” the spokesperson said in a statement.
“The Foreign Minister will visit Indonesia next month, reaffirming the importance of the relationship and its potential to grow even further.”..”.
AAAAAARGH! I do NOT want a ‘growing’ ‘relationship’ with a going-sharia-fast going-jihad-fast 85 percent-Muslim Indonesia!
Haven’t these damnfoolds read V S Naipaul? “Among the Believers’?? In a pesantren – a madrasa – in Indonesia he encountered an Indonesian Muslim who coolly told him, “Soon we’ll be colonising Australia”.
And having published *that* article – which filled me with horror – they then, within a day or so, published two *others*.
One about the fact that it’s extraordinarily difficult to stamp out child ‘marriage’ in Indonesia because ‘conservative’ ‘religious’ people get up in arms whenever such restrictions are proposed/ attempted. But the article never once mentioned Mohammed and Aisha.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-08/indonesians-cast-blank-votes-in-crucial-local-elections/9943300
“Joko Widodo faces challenges in 2019 Indonesia poll as blank ballots, child marriages spark regional dissatisfaction”.
Note well this paragraph –
“Poltracking Indonesia which monitors voter sentiment found 58.5 per cent of Indonesian voters take into account the religious background of the presidential and vice presidential candidates.
“This could be an issue for President Jokowi, who historically hasn’t been popular with conservative Muslim constituencies, said Vedi Hadiz, Deputy Director of Asian Studies at the University of Melbourne.
“[Jokowi’s] social background does not suggest strong Islamic credentials and that could work against him,” he said.”
There was an earlier article, in May this year, on the same subject.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-17/indonesia-urged-to-speed-up-outlawing-child-marriage/9763598
Indonesian President Joko Widodo urged to speed up outlawing of child marriages
“Altering the status quo risks upsetting sections of the community, especially religious groups.”
No prizes for guessing *which* ‘religious groups”; I very much doubt that the Buddhists or the Christians are wanting to marry off their girls as soon as they hit puberty.
And finally: *this*, on a syncretic Sultan of Yogyakarta who aims to install his daughter as successor… and the reaction he is getting from ‘conservative’ family members…. that is, from those who are more-Islamic-than-thou.
Quote – It goes against the Yogyakarta palace’s tradition and culture, we are an Islamic kingdom,” the Sultan’s brother, GBPH Prabukusumo told the BBC”.
Two articles that show just how *close* Indonesia is to ‘going sharia’.
And the ‘experts’ want us to cosy up to *that*?? I’d rather figure out how to carefully and quietly *disengage*, not get ourselves entangled with an Indonesia that might suddenly erupt into Jihad. Indonesia within which Saudi petrodollars have been bankrolling a full-on revival of classical Islam. It’s all there, you can see it coming down the pike, if yoiu read the chapters on Indonesia in V S Naipauls’ Among the Believers, and “Beyond Belief”.
gravenimage says
Thanks, DDA.
Brian hoff says
The dumb member of Parliament who want to stop lamb meat from being halid.. It turn out it would end a 26 billion dollar ayear of south eastern asian buying of lambs meat. When the Japanese invade Indonesia in ww2 the japanese general in carge of occupate notice the nativa greet the japanese as liberators from harb dutch rule so he went alot easy on the native people where they where givin arms and training. Many japanese soldiers marry muslim woman than convert to Islam. The Caphic will come back wait and see.
Tom says
A finding of 41% by an Islamic organization in a majority Muslim country should be taken with a grain of salt. The real number is probably much higher.
My question would be what prompted this Islamic organization to conduct such an investigation, and what would they have to gain from minimizing the actual number of radical mosques.
Perhaps they want to say that, yes there are 41% of mosques hijacked by radicals, but the majority have not been, and therefore must be peaceful. Giving the appeasers in the west the opportunity to decry those who say that all mosques preaching Islam are radical, and it is only the “outsider minority” that are responsible and not the teachings of Islam.
There has to be ulterior motivation for finding such a small number of radical mosques in a Muslim majority country.
dumbledoresarmy says
Essentially, the ’41 percent’ should be viewed as an ‘at least’ figure.
And 41 percent – in Jakarta, in Java, which is usually viewed as characterised by ‘tolerant’ syncretised Islam, as opposed to the full-strength purer variety practised in jihad-hotbed Aceh- is pretty damn scary in and of itself.