It could have been worse. They could have killed everyone involved. They must be “moderates.” Islamic apologists in the West routinely insist that Islam has no death penalty for apostasy, but as always, reality is otherwise. The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law. It’s based on the Qur’an: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”
Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”
“Church of Muslim converts told to close in Kyrgyzstan,” World Watch Monitor, July 4, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A church in Kyrgyzstan that is home to many former Muslims has been ordered to cease its Sunday worship.
A local source told World Watch Monitor that services at the church, which is led by a convert from Islam, have been interrupted twice in the last few months by a group of people consisting of local officials, representatives of the Prosecutor’s office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, assistants to the local imam and former colleagues from the school at which the pastor used to teach.
World Watch Monitor cannot name the town in which the incident took place, for security reasons.
On both occasions, members of the group demanded that the service be stopped and told them: “You will not be able to live and carry out your ministry here.” The church members tried to settle the conflict, World Watch Monitor was told, but the group continued to issue threats and insults….
Since his release, Pastor Miran, a father of five, has been unable to find paid work. According to the World Watch Monitor’s source, local Muslims say of him: “If Miran could betray his ‘native pure Islam’, maybe he could do other bad things too.”…
Peter Buckley says
“The vast majority of Kyrgyzstan’s estimated 300,000 Christians belong to the Russian Orthodox Church and there is a small but growing number of Christian converts from a Muslim background.”
https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2018/07/church-of-muslim-converts-told-to-close-in-kyrgyzstan/
They can’t stop it now. These converts understand Islam and how to expose it to others (muslims). Islam is dying of shame.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1045081
Lydia Church says
And leaving it is a GOOD thing, staying in it is the bad thing!
Islam is evil.
Christianity is true.
And the devil and the gates of hell (including islam) won’t prevail against Christ’s church, as Jesus Himself said!
Giacomo Latta says
Hooray for us! We have the right religion! Our religion doesn’t tell us to kill Jews, Christians, various disbelievers or Muslims losing their taste for Islam. Ours teaches us to … kill our sons!
The Bible says that Abraham had a little chat with God who ordered him to kill his son Isaac. Now there’s an improvement! Islam, which also claims Abraham (Ibrahim), says that it was only a dream. So, which would you rather believe in : Abraham the psychotic or Ibrahim the king of nightmares? Abraham, the father of two major religions, sociopathic in either case. Thanks a lot, Abe! It does not say in the Bible whether Abraham disobeyed God or not, but I’m sure he and Isaac (son of Abraham and his half-sister, whoops, a little Islam creeping in there) had a great relationship afterward.
Is this the pro- or anti-Islam website?
Robert Howes says
Islam got all its tricks from Christianity and Judaism. They got their tricks from paganism. There is no truth in religions. They are all preposterous made up myths.
J D S says
Koran…4:89 could not be more plain..”kill them where you find them”
Now those words alone should be enough for the west to climb on the band wagon of Islamic disgust and take drastic action to quash Islam once and for all time….but NO! The appeasers will say that the Islam of the early koranic days is different today..they will ALL say Islam is the religion oh peace…..Ill tell everyone that Christianity is the religion of peace. Show me anywhere in the New Testament where JESUS tells us to kill anyone….Oh the Muslims will say…what about the Crusades?….Jesus didn’t direct the Crusades “The Church” did…msn, not God…Now I’m not saying that the Crusades were not warranted…Muslims had no business being in the Holy Land..this land was given to the Jews and the Jews alone, by God.
Robert Howes says
Tosh.
John says
“They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
If no one has pointed it out the above passage is followed by:
4: 90. Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
4:91. You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.
It would appear, therefore, that 4:89 is NOT a blanket instruction to kill apostates FOR NO OTHER REASON than that they have apostatised. 4:89 was clearly originally recited in a war situation. The general principle is that apostates are not to be harmed if they withdraw from the Muslims, offer them peace and do not fight against them. If Muslims followed the Qur’an alone they would have no theological justification for the penalty for apostasy that prevails in Saudi Arabia etc – which comes from hadith..
omar says
khj
mortimer says
So much for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that defends the right to change your religion.
Did anyone in Kyrgyzstan hear of the UNDHR?
Yokel says
Why should they? That’s the kaffir’s declaration and is not for us Kyrgyzs.
Follow instead Allah, his Sharia, and the Sunnah of his prophet Mohammed. For Mohammed is the perfect example for all mankind for all time. See instead the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, an excellent declaration built on the sure and solid foundation of the Sharia.
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Yokel says
Forgot the link:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/the-cairo-declaration-of-human-rights-in-islam-useless-at-best-and-at-worst-harmful-for-human-rights
Robert Howes says
More tosh.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, Islam never adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I’m sure you’ve heard of what they replaced it with–the “Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam”–which actually invalidates all human rights, including the right to leave Islam.
mortimer says
Muslims need MORE RIGHTS than ‘others’.
The 1990 Cairo Declaration on Human Rights is based on Sharia law. Not only does this law often run counter to the universally agreed United Nations Declaration of Rights, but many of the clauses in the Cairo document effectively negate the principles of the 1948 UN charter.
gravenimage says
So true.
Krishna says
Even secular Muslim countries like Kyrgyzstan don’t allow allow easily to leave Islam
Eur says
Muslims do not contemplate reciprocity. They are very proselytizing and capture any person (teenagers, people with problematic pasts, mentally immature people, people who believe they see mysticism in Islam …), however they do not accept that a person they consider Muslim begins to practice another religion or nothing. And that happens all over the world.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mithraist christianity is not appealable to people who understand Islam. To kygyz muslims who have muslims and understand to mithraist christianity is just an empty propaganda and a joke of the century. Fools!!
JeffS says
So it’s ok to forcibly close down churches?
Lydia Church says
He never gets it.
Everything insulting he says applies to islam and not the true faith of Christianity.
He is the fool #1.
He doesn’t even get it that so many have left islam BECAUSE they understand how evil it is, for Christianity, because it is true!
On another note, true Christianity is Biblical Christianity, not the corrupted entity that Constantine created by blending paganism in to attract the population so he could be a more powerful politician. Sadly the devil was behind the corruption regardless of what goes on on the surface. Lots of interesting history there too. But the bottom line is; the devil is always coming after the true church in so many ways; persecution, infiltration, false teaching, enticements to sin, temptations to recant, corruption, and so on, but the true church of Christ is incorruptible!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Lydia church, one Jewish Rabbi described Christianity to be fit for beasts only. worshipping Godman is idiocy to the core
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed is supposedly quoting a rabbi here, but he has said that he wants to take part in the genocide of the Jews.
And while he considers the idea of a loving God and of a Savior “idiocy to the core”, he is fine with molesting little children, slavery and sex slavery, mass murder, the aforementioned genocide, and stoning rape victims to death. *Ugh*.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
mithraist christianity is not appealable to people who understand Islam. To kygyz muslims who have muslims and understand to mithraist christianity is just an empty propaganda and a joke of the century. Fools!!
……………………..
Of course, this makes no sense. If Christianity did not appeal to some Muslims in Kyrgyzstan, then Muslims there would never have had to forcibly shut down this church.
More proof that Muslims like Ibrahim itace muhammed are incapable of reason.
Buraq says
@ Ibe itace Mohamed
Hi Habibi! Islam’s lie that ‘There is no compulsion in religion’ is here for all to see. If there is no compulsion in religion, why are the authorities closing this Church? Would they close a Mosque consisting of Christians who had converted to Islam?
They are lying clowns, like you!
gravenimage says
+1
Mari For says
For me not all Muslims are evil because I have some friends who are very very hospitable, who respect the fact that I’m a Christian and who never disrespect what I believe in. However the pressure on all Muslims to believe in that ideology only proves that they are not really allowed to think for themselves. If they allowed them to do so, many would leave that religion. Ibrahim itace Muhammad, the problem with your religion is that it’s directly originating from Christianity of the Judeo Nazareans. You can say all you want, you can insult us all you want haha, but your religion is derived somehow from Judaism and Christianity. 300 years after Muhammad died, yes 300 years after, that’s when the Quran supposedly was assembled. Unfortunately for you Ibrahim, it’s a duty for you and your fellow Muslims to lie. Taqqiya. Even if there is proof that Mecca was not the place that Muhammad was from, even if there are no archeological findings in Mecca to prove it was the same place as in the Quran, you will lie through your teeth to say that those findings are not true. Why don’t you grow up and accept to research the truth in your religion ?
gravenimage says
Islam only took some of the names from Judaism and Christianity–but none of their good values.
Giacomo Latta says
Islam was the creation of Muhammed for very personal reasons. You have to read it to know what fantastic degree it is a self-serving piece of camel turds. The reason he includes people such as Abraham, Noah, Jesus, et al in it was simply to include names that people could identify with. Otherwise, his made-up religion would have been easily identified as a total fabrication. He does not include such names such as Ruth, Esther, Mary etc for the following reasons.
Quran(53:27): Most surely they who do not believe in the hereafter name angels with female names.
gravenimage says
+1
boakai ngombu says
itace … you’re still dead in soul. what’s there to understand about ISLAM (Subjugation)? … do as you think you’re told, only don’t think about what you are to do, like LOVE what the allah god of SUBJUGATION (islam) loves; HATE what the allah god hates…especially Kafirs.
perhaps you can conceive that the mosgue is porous.
the WONDERFUL teachings of Jesus (Savior and Lord) are recognizable truth to those who have been prepared by the Holy Spirit of the Living God. even among your brothers can those teachings take root. one teaching is certainly important among many: ALMIGHTY GOD loves YOU and has the power and authority to prove that.
the allah god is powerless to save you from your secret self which seeks TRUTH.
Robert Howes says
There are no gods. Grow up.
Spiro says
Christians servived communist Russia
They will servive Islam
There may not be many but Christ church will prevail
gravenimage says
Here’s more persecution of Christians in Kyrgyzstan:
https://thediplomat.com/2017/02/the-kyrgyz-baptists-a-case-study-in-religious-persecution-in-central-asia/
somehistory says
They can close a building and lock up the pastor….but this is not destruction of a “church,”…a congregation.
Governments and others may destroy buildings used for gathering together in “Christ’s name,” but they cannot go into people’s hearts and shut down faith..
Christ has promised that a “great crowd” of His children will survive the “great tribulation.”
If these men, women and children have true faith in Christ, they can endure what they must.
infidel says
These pests actually get on people’s nerves all the time. I wish some world leader had the guts to put an end to this ONCE F-ing FOR ALL….
Jean says
infidel
It is not something any world leader can do by political power.
Islam can only be vanquished on the level of ideas. So what is needed is not a world leader, but an army of philosophers + devout Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews and members of any other faith (including atheism) that are willing to challenge islam honestly. Last but not least: cartoonists who ridicule Mohammad.
This is what will finally make islam crumble into nothingness. Intellectual exposure. For its great weakness is that spiritually, it is an empty husk. It has NOTHING to hold people inside the system but fear. And the greatest of all its weaknesses is Mohammad himself. For like the devil, he has a “proud spirit” that “cannot bear scorn”. Humor takes him down to his real size, and it is quite small. The embarrassing truth is that Muhammad is empty-handed but for his sword.
A good laugh about Mohammad creates more apostates from islam than anything a politician can provide by either diplomacy or force. And the Muslims know this. Which is why they are mortally afraid of the Mohammad Cartoons.
Islam has survived so long on two things:
1. Brute force
2. The lack of an alternative in the occupied areas (suppression of information about other faiths, laws against their open practice).
Globalization and the mass media are therefore huge threats to Islam. The very wave of Islamic extremism now rolling over the world is a desperate measure to stem another tide… that of information. The majority of Muslims are only staying with the faith through ignorance of the real alternatives. They are wholly dependent on their minds remaining sealed. The more true information that reaches them about other ways of life, the greater danger to the Islamic way of life… because it has so little merit of its own.
The jihadis know that their clock is ticking, and that they urgently need to trump up the fear. So they are. This is why Muslim parents in the West raise their children to be more Islamic than themselves, and isolate them from the rest of society. They know that in a free competition, Islam will lose.
Time works against them. Every time a Muslim happens upon this website, or a David Wood video, Islam becomes a little weaker. Take heart in that.
Muslims are humans too. Deep inside, most of them only want a bacon sandwich, a beer and to be sun-kissed in summer. Muhammad says they can’t have it. But it may well be that one fine day, a critical mass of people realize that there is no good reason for them to listen to so joyless a man… If enough get up and leave at once, it may be like the day the Soviet Union fell… When the Berlin wall suddenly crumbled… They will bring home the bacon for a world feast, where men and women will dance and sing together, the sun will shine in the women’s flowing hair, and the children will no longer be afraid of their own parents.
Hallelujah.
Some dreams do change reality. Those are called prophecies. If Muhammad could create a living nightmare, what cannot our dreams of a better world do to his dark vision?
gravenimage says
I think that Infidel is actually castigating the Christian victims here. He has done this sort of thing before.
Joy says
And here I just read that, for the most part, the independent republics of former Soviet “stans” are fairly secular – not ruled by religious fanatics, etc. But I guess the presence of a Christian church composed of former Muslims was just a step too far even for the “secular” (and often hedonistic) Kyrgystanies! Those muzzies still have a VERY long way to travel before they reach the 21st century!
FYI says
Good to see so many sensible people in the islamic world seeing through the fakery of islam with its self-confessed deceiver god[“allah is the best of deceivers” k3:54},its self-confessed false prophet muhammed{al tabari 6:111 “I have fabricated things AGAINST GOD..”}and its theologically wrong koran that preaches hatred and violence.
it won’t be easy.And of course the authorities and “holy” men of islam won’t like it :they have too much invested in the antichristian,antijewish,totalitarian
god of hate that is “allah”.
Many Iranians too are fed up with being run and controlled by religious tyranny.No nation should ever be run by religious tyrants..
May the True God,the Biblical version,the God of Love and Wisdom…
go with them and set them free from “allah” and his false cult.
The True God.
The God of the 2 chief commandments{found in Judaism AND Christianity ,but NOT islam}
The entire contents of the Bible depend on this understanding.
And yet we see these laws are… completely missing in islam!!
“The whole of the law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these 2 chief commandments”
Matthew 22 v 40