These are odd statements coming from Pope Francis, a world-class Islamopanderer; notice that he said nothing about who was doing the persecuting, and implied that it was the fault of powers outside the Middle East. The Catholic Church as a whole has committed itself to Islamopandering, such that it is largely silent about the Muslim persecution of Christians that has taken place in the Middle East. Why? The Catholic Church is following Pope Francis’ lead, and Francis has said: “Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist.” And he has also said: “Authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.”
This has had a terrible influence upon the Catholic Church, and aids and abets the Western political and media elites in their determination to cover up the Muslim persecution of Christians. Jean-Clément Jeanbart, the Melkite Greek Catholic Archbishop of Aleppo, gave an interview to a French reporter in which he was highly critical of the mainstream media and even of his fellow bishops for ignoring the Muslim persecution of Middle Eastern Christians. “The European media,” he charged, “have not ceased to suppress the daily news of those who are suffering in Syria and they have even justified what is happening in our country by using information without taking the trouble to verify it.” And as for his brother bishops in France, “the conference of French bishops should have trusted us, it would have been better informed. Why are your bishops silent on a threat that is yours today as well? Because the bishops are like you, raised in political correctness. But Jesus was never politically correct, he was politically just!”
Archbishop Jeanbart was not the first to say this. “Why, we ask the western world, why not raise one’s voice over so much ferocity and injustice?” asked Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, the head of the Italian Bishops Conference (CEI). Syriac Catholic Patriarch Ignatius Ephrem Joseph III Younan himself has in the past appealed to the West “not to forget the Christians in the Middle East.” The former Melkite Greek Catholic Patriarch Gregory III has also said: “I do not understand why the world does not raise its voice against such acts of brutality.”
But Gregory III should have understood, since he was a major part of the problem. He himself said: “No one defends Islam like Arab Christians.” It is to defend Islam that Western clerics do not raise their voice against such acts of brutality. It is to pursue a fruitless and chimerical “dialogue” that bishops in the U.S. and Europe keep silent about Muslim persecution of Christians, and enforce that silence upon others. Robert McManus, Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcester, Massachusetts, said it on February 8, 2013 as he was suppressing a planned talk at a Catholic conference on that persecution: “Talk about extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims.”
Remember that Mohamed Atta, about the plane he had hijacked on September 11, 2001, told passengers over the intercom: “Stay quiet and you’ll be OK.” The Catholic Church appears to have adopted that statement as its policy regarding Muslim persecution of Christians.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Pope denounces ‘murderous indifference’ by powers in Mideast,” by Trisha Thomas and Nicole Winfield, Associated Press, July 7, 2018:
Pope Francis on Saturday denounced the “murderous indifference” that has allowed violence to consume the Middle East and drive tens of thousands of Christians from their homes, calling out global powers for seeking power and profit at the expense of the region’s people during a remarkable gathering of Orthodox patriarchs and Catholic leaders.
Francis hosted the daylong ecumenical service in the Adriatic port city of Bari, considered a religious bridge between East and West and home to the relics of St. Nicholas, an important saint in the Orthodox Christian world.
Francis greeted the patriarchs outside the Basilica of St. Nicholas and together they descended to the crypt to pray before the relics and light a flame for peace symbolizing the unity of Christians divided by over 1,000 years of schism.
“We commit ourselves to walking, praying and working together, in the hope that the art of encounter will prevail over strategies of conflict,” Francis said at the end of the encounter as children released doves of peace….
Francis denounced the “occupation” of Mideast lands, and renewed his appeal for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
“So many conflicts have been stoked too by forms of fundamentalism and fanaticism that, under the guise of religion, have profaned God’s name – which is peace – and persecuted age-old neighbors,” he said.
Denouncing the weapons trade that fuels the region’s wars, he urged global powers to stop their “thirst for profit that surreptitiously exploits oil and gas fields without regard for our common home, with no scruples about the fact that the energy market now dictates the law of coexistence among peoples!”
The meeting was the first of its kind, gathering most of the Middle East’s Orthodox patriarchs with the head of the 1.2-billion strong Catholic Church as well as Lutheran leaders and their Christian representatives in the Holy Land. After the public prayer on Bari’s seafront, the black-draped patriarchs and white-cassocked pope met in private inside the basilica and then lunched together, moving around Bari in a bus as if on a school field trip.
In his opening prayer, Francis said the Middle East represented the source of Christianity, where ancient Christian rites and heritage are preserved and where “our very souls are rooted.”
And yet, in recent years the region has been “covered by dark clouds of war, violence and destruction, instances of occupation and varieties of fundamentalism, forced migration and neglect,” he said.
“All this has taken place amid the complicit silence of many,” he lamented. “The Middle East has become a land of people who leave their own lands behind.”
In a service punctuated by Arabic chant, Aramaic prayer and Catholic hymn, Francis said the Orthodox and Catholic leaders wanted to give voice to those who have none.
“Indifference kills, and we desire to lift up our voices in opposition to this murderous indifference,” he said. “For the Middle East today is weeping, suffering and silent as others trample upon those lands in search of power or riches.”
Among the patriarchs on hand was the spiritual leader of the world’s Orthodox Christians, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, as well as patriarchs from ancient churches of Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. Notably absent from the gathering was Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, which has been a strong supporter of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s military intervention in Syria….
Halal Bacon says
Go back to bouncing
haller says
Pope Francis = 666
Andy says
Pope Francis Says Christians Should Visit Mosques and Praise Allah
https://yournewswire.com/pope-francis-christians-mosques-allah/
Andy says
To the Pope:
The Ten Commandments
1 “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Francis should have denounced the murderous persecution of Christians in the Middle East by MUSLIMS! Instead Francis is making the bad guys out to be other Christians…instead of the real perpetrators: MUSLIMS.
Muhammed Jacob says
THERE ARE 3 ABRAHAMIC CULTS OF DEATH – JUDAISM – CHRISTENDOM – MOHAMMEDANISM.
Only a moronic cretin would say that the history of Judaism and Christendom were peaceful.
Mohammedanism is everything you say it is, Robert, but to deny the blood split by Jews and Christians, is Taqiyya [holy lying].
All 3 Cults of Death should be decommissioned!
You should have pointed to the first 2 Caliphs as those who understood what the Quran teaches. It was Umar who encouraged Abu Bakr to canonize the Quran. And it was he who slaughtered those followers of Muhammad who left Mohammedanism after Muhammad had been MURDERED by his daughter Aisha and Umar’s daughter, Hafsa.
It was Aisha who rebelled against the rule of Ali and thousands of Mohammedans were slaughtered.
It was Umar who threatened to burn down Fatimah’s house and kicked the door on top of her, causing her to miscarry the Prophet’s grandchild.
The first 100 years of Mohammedanism was a BLOODBATH!
But then again the Clown in the Vatican claims to be INFALLIBLE and ANOTHER CHRIST!
So who are we mere mortals to criticize him ?(satire).
Muhammed Jacob says
Yo Jay Boo,
I have written directly to Robert and I have commented on his blog many times, so where do you get the idea of factual truth being SPAM?
Your attitude is no different than those who attempt to defend the 3 Abrahamic Cults of Death. It’s called Cognitive dissonance – WILFUL BLINDNESS.
“Didn’t you already SPAM essentially the same thing recently?”
Can you imagine someone saying to Robert, when he quotes the Quran:
“Didn’t you already SPAM essentially the same thing recently?”
Jay Boo,
You must be a member of the same CIRCUS the Clown Franny belongs to!
gravenimage says
I see the dishonest “Muhammed Jacob” is once again spewing false moral equivalence that Christianity and Judaism as bad as Islam.
Note, also, his implication that the “Prophet” Muhammed was a great guy, and it was just those that followed him that made Islam a problem.
Try again, creep.
Hari Singh says
Religious violence is limited to the Abrahamic faiths. The faiths of India are only violent in defense of their lives from Muslims and Christians who attacked and conquered their country.
The ”pagan” religions never engaged in religious violence.Nobody conducted Jihad for Zeus.
Clearly there is no warrant for violence in Christianity or in Judaism outside of the Holy Land which Jehovah orders Jews to defend.
Christians cannot kill in the name of Christ as Muslims can. Islam is a political religion calling for world Shariat domination.Christianity awaits Christ’s return or God to establish his kingdom.
Besides Allah assigned Israel to the Jews until the Day of Judgement (Sura 5 Verse 21), and that Jews are the inheritors of Israel (Sura 26 Verse 59).
Muhammed Jacob says
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Robert Spencer doubts if Muhammad ever existed!
Now if he did, then the Shia Muslims say he was murdered by Abu Bakr and Umar through the means of their daughters, Aisha and Hafsa, feeding him poison. Umar attacked the house of Fatimah, the daughter of Muhammad and kicked the door in on top of her, causing her to miscarry the unborn grandchild of Muhammad. It was Abu Bakr who canonized the Quran and slaughtered the Mohammedans who apostatized. Umar refused to give Muhammad Pen & Paper on his death bed. He wanted to write a Last Will & Testament.
Because you have not studied the Quran, you are not aware of the 2 sections of the Quran – The Mecca section and The Medina section. One has the peaceful verses and the other has the warring verses.
Abu Bakr was a Jewish rabbi
JEWISHENCYCLOPEDIA
The unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia
SCHWARZ, JOSEPH:
The results of his investigations and researches into the history, geography, geology, fauna, and flora of that country have placed him in the front rank of Palestinian explorers and geographers. HE IS THE GREATEST JEWISH AUTHORITY ON PALESTINIAN MATTERS SINCE ESTORI FARHI (1282-1357), the author of “Kaftor wa-Feraḥ.”
HISTORY OF PALESTINE
614-1096 C.E.
From the Accession of the Mahomedans to that of the Europeans.
By Rabbi Joseph Schwarz, 1850
(THE JEWISH RABBI WHO CREATED ISLAM: ISLAM WAS FINANCED & CONTROLLED BY ARABIAN JEWS FROM ITS BEGINNING, TO BUILD AN ARMY TO FIGHT THE ROMAN aka BYZANTINE EMPIRE.)
Rabbi Shallum, son of the then Resh Gelutha, in Babel, aka Abu Bachr al Chaliva al Zadik, Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, was in fact: [A JEWISH RABBI] Rabbi Shallum, son of the then Resh Gelutha, in Babel, perceiving this dreadful predicament, went to Mahomed, and offering him his submission, friendship, and services, endeavoured to enter with him into a friendly compact. Mahomed accepted his proposition with pleasure, conceived a great affection for him, and took his daughter, a handsome young girl (A 6 YEAR OLD CHILD), for wife; he made him also a general in his army, and gave him the name of Abu Bachr al Chaliva al Zadik, literally:
The father of the maiden, the descendant of the righteous; this means, that of all his wives, who were either widows or divorced women, this one was the only one who had never been married before, and then she was the granddaughter of the celebrated chief of the captivity; therefore, the descendant of the righteous. This occurrence induced Mahomed to give up his terrible intention to destroy the Jews in his country, and thus did Rabbi Shallum save his people.
gravenimage says
Hari Singh, I’m afraid what you write makes no sense–first you say that all “Abrahamic faiths”–a term only used by Muslim apologists–are violent, then you admit that it is, actually, just Islam.
You were right the second time.
haypa says
The Azetc tribes piled up hundreds of thousands of skulls from victims of human sacrifice, otherwise they were just peaceful farmers.
Joe says
Abraham had nothing to do with Islam. How can you be that ignorant? Abraham lived thousands of years before Mohammed. Christians followed Christ as the Judaic Messiah. So Christianity derives its identity from Judaism. Islam derives its identity from a moon god that dates back to Petra.
There is no part in the Bible that allows Christians to hate or murder Jews. In the Bible, the greatest commandment is to love God and one another. On nearly every page of the Koran, the lesson is to hate your neighbor. Islam is the opposite of Christianity. That is why the mission of Islam is to kill everyone else. Whereas the mission of Christian is to love everyone else.
Try to get your mind around this love (Christianity) and murder (Islam) are not the same thing.
Islam is the brother of the Nazis. They both hate the Jews, and they consider brutality, hate, murder, rape, and so forth as heroic. That is what you are defending.
Muhammed Jacob says
STOP FARTING & TYPE IN YOU TUBE – Can Jews pray in Mosques!
You are totally ignorant of Mohammedanism and Talmudic Judaism!
JEWISH TALMUD TEACHES:
CHRISTIAN CHURCHES
A place of Christian worship is called (1) Beth Tiflah, a house of vanity and foolishness,(52) in place of Beth Tefilah, a house of prayer; (2) Beth Abhodha Zarah, a House of Idolatry; (3) Beth Hatturaph Schel Letsim, a house of Evil Laughter.(53)
(52) Wagenseil (in Sota, p. 497) says that Buxtorf, in translating the word Tiflah as foolishness or vanity, did not go far enough. For this name which is applied to a Christian Church really means a brothel or whorehouse.
(53) cf. Sepher Zerubbabel, Constantinople edit.
In Abhodah Zarah (78) the Perusch of Maimonides, it says:
“Be it known to you that it is beyond a doubt forbidden by law to pass through a Christian city in which there is a house of vanity, that is, a house of idolatry; much more to live therein. But we today, as punishment for our sins, are subject to them, and are forced to live in their countries, as it was foretold in Deuteronomy (IV, 28): And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, of wood and stone….Thus if it is allowed as predicted to pass around a Christian city, much more so must we pass around an idolatrous temple; nor is it allowed us even to look inside and above all to enter in.”
A Jew is forbidden not only to enter a Christian church, but even to go near it, except under certain circumstances.
In Iore Dea (142,10) it says:
“It is forbidden to stand in the shadow of a house of idolatry, whether from the inside or the outside, for a distance of four cubits from the front door. It is not forbidden, however, to stand under the shadow of the back of a church. Nor is the shadow forbidden us if the church stands in a place where formerly there was a public road, which was taken from the community and the house of idolatry built upon it. For the road is still there. But if the house of idolatry existed before the road, it is not permitted to pass before it. There are some who say that it is forbidden to pass there in any case.”
Neither is a Jew allowed to listen to, or admire the beautiful music of the churches.
In Iore Dea (142, 15) it says:
“It is forbidden to listen to the music of idolatrous worship, and to examine the statues of their idols; for even by looking at them one can be influenced by the evil of idolatry. But one can look who does not intend to be so affected.”
Likewise a Jew is not allowed to have a house near a church; nor is he allowed to rebuild a house which has been destroyed in such a place. In Iore Dea (143,1) it says:
“If a house near an idolatrous temple belonging to the Akum falls down, it must not be rebuilt. A Jew must remove it a certain distance away if he wishes to rebuild it. But he must fill up the vacant space between his house and the church with bushes and rubbish so that the space will not be used to extend the idolatrous temple.”
Here may be added what a certain Rabbi Kelomimus said about a Christian church (in the book Nizzachon)(54) to the Emperor Henry III, who gave him permission to speak his opinion freely about the Basilica which he had recently built at Spires:
(54) cf. Wagensel, Sota, p. 498
(55) This is how he calls this famous church. The German word is Thum, and by a play on the word he calls it Tehom, which means abyss.
“After the Emperor Henry III, a very wicked man, had completed the building of that “Abyss,”(55) he sent for Rabbi Kelominus and said to him:
‘I want to ask you, how does this Basilica which I have built compare with the magnificence of Solomon’s Temple, about which so many volumes have been written?’
He replied:
‘My Lord, if you will permit me to speak freely, and if you will swear to me that you will let me go unharmed, I will tell you the truth about it.’
The Emperor answered:
‘I give you my word as a lover of the truth and as an Emperor, that no harm shall come to you.’
Then the Jew said:
‘If you gathered together all you have spent so far, and added to it all the silver and gold in your treasury, it would not suffice even to pay the workmen and craftsmen that Solomon employed; for it is written (Chron. II, ch 2): And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountains, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them. Eight years were spent in the building of the Temple, much more than you have spent in building this Tehom [abyss]. And when Solomon had finished his Temple, see what the Scripture says about it: The priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud; for the glory of God had filled the House of the Lord (Chron. II, Ch. 5, 14). But if someone loaded an ass with putrid garbage and led it into this abyss of yours, no one would notice the difference!’ The Emperor Henry then replied: ‘Were it not that I have sworn to let you go unharmed, I would order your head cut off.’ “
gravenimage says
I see the appalling antisemitic “Muhammed Jacob” is once again trying to whip up animosity between Jews and Christians, and get us to ignore the Muslim persecution of all Infidels.
Of course, Christians have religious freedom in Israel, as do Jews in the free West. Not so for either of them under Islam.
Steve says
I’m sure this commie, Pope Karl the 1st, will be responsible for more Catholics leaving the faith, than any other Pope.
SAE says
This whole pope thing is so perplexing. To me, simple-minded that I am on these complex issues, it truly seems as though Satan & his minions infiltrated the Vatican. Heaven help us.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
POP knows that such persecutions come terrorist groups sponsored by evil United States. Before the destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria and so-called Arab spring Christians and other non-muslims never faced any maltreatment in the Arab world. In fact Christians were mixed with muslims even in one family. I know this among palestinians, Syrians, Iraqis and Egyptians. The terrorist groups are killing Muslims and Christians who oppose fascist evil Zionist state of Israel’s expanism.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Ibrahim
You seem to like my Pope, the problem Islam has, that the murder of Christians and non Christians is justified by the Koran. Islam is terrorism to non muslims.
You and your people cannot be trusted, no matter how friendly you might appear, history attest to this, Islam seeks no peace only violence.
Have muslims protested, stood up on mass and denounced the crimes your governments have commited.
The answer is no, you are cowards and you garner no respect here.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
malcolm, you lied because the terrorist groups who carryingout killing of both muslims and mithraist christians hold perverted interpretations of Islam. Pope Francis is aware of that except you ignorant liars.
eduardo odraude says
Oh really, Ibrahim? The core Islamic texts totally disagree with you:
http://www.quotingislam.blogspot.com
To take just one example of so many that are available:
Muhammad affirms that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered
On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad:
https://archive.org/stream/TheLifeOfMohammedGuillaume/The_Life_Of_Mohammed_Guillaume#page/n133/mode/1up
So, Ibrahim, you either are not acquainted with your own Islamic sources, or you want to deceive us about them.
gravenimage says
What crap from Ibrahim itace muhammed. Christians and other Infidels have faced murderous persecution from Muslims from the beginning.
And his pretending to oppose Jihadists is absurd, in any case–he himself has said that Muslims have the right to slaughter any Infidels who do not submit to Islam.
Kay says
Well, if all Christians concerned themselves with the persecuted Church, things would be better. Is there indifference? I think more likely there is ignorance. What role does the Pope have in altering the ignorance (or indifference)? Certainly more than a general chastisement.
Elizabeth L says
Elizabeth Lawson
Pope Francis is not only a tad late in his announcement regarding the slaughter/genocide taking place against Christians in the Middle East, AND in Africa, but also in his failure to hold western governments to account regarding their intake of these victims of anti Christian slaughter – while they opened their doors wide to the very ideological representatives of that slaughter. During his time in office, Obama took in hundreds of thousands of ‘desperate’ refugees and immigrants. – many who were neither – while ensuring that the great Christian United States took in fewer than one hundred of the most persecuted people in these regions. The EU presented a very similar statistic. Why? Christian citizens in these regions were not waging war, were NOT engaged in terrorism. were NOT attempting to dispossess their non Christian fellows of anything – so why this slaughter? I am unsurprised by the response of the UN to the plight of Christians over the past ten years, to the desecration and burning of Christian churches, and to the outright murder of the clergy. The UN is a biased and bigoted anti Christian organisation dominated by some of the most repressive Muslim countries on earth. So forget help from them. We would do well to remember that both Turkey and Egypt were once Christian countries – to the great demise of their citizens, they are now in the grip of the most vicious ideology on the planet. This is neither a religion nor is it a culture that emphasizes peace. Rather the opposite. The West is now experiencing first hand what the followers of the “ religion of peace” have in store for them. Will the result of all this tender loving care expressed by the West result in yet another great Chastisement?
Terry Gain says
Thank you Elizabeth. The failure of Pope Francis to defend Catholics is unforgiveable. As a Catholiic, I am not only embarrassed, I despise him for his treachery.
Rufolino says
Merely as an observer, it seems to me that Catholicism sometimes thinks it is the Kingdom of God. It isn’t, and sometimes it would seem to have little to do with the Kingdom of God.
Catholics (and other denominations !) appear to think that God is identified with their religion. Thank God he isn’t ! He is about the Spirit, and about Love, not religion. The true church is a Kingdom of the Spirit where Love reigns in people’s hearts.
FYI says
This is the same old phoney francis who famously said ..
“Authentic islam and a proper reading of the koran are opposed to every form of violence”
EVERY form of violence?What about..using a fly swatter?Throwing a shoe?
Sure,francis!Yeah,that’s what its about:A shame you didn’t actually read it first ,eh?
Sure,francis,sure!
And a proper reading of….. Moby Dick ..shows it to be a story about Humpy,a Hunchback whale from Notre Dame.
A proper reading of …..Hitler’s mein kampf… shows it to be a story about a group of Jewish mining engineering students at a summer camp in Germany in 1933.
A proper reading of….catcher in the rye..shows it to be about a wry bird who lives in a wheat field.
A proper reading of….the great Gatsby..shows it to be about an alien invasion from the planet pfjkx5
In order to be able to use the expression “A proper reading of..”… you have to actually READ the book.
It seems fraudulent francis missed that bit didn’t he?
eduardo odraude says
Good grief. This pope appears to be incorrigible. He blames the brutalization of Christians on the search for oil profits and the like, but he leaves out Islam — and himself!! — when it comes to assigning blame.
He is himself partly to blame for the brutalization of Christians in the Islamic world. I can accept a premise he apparently relies on, that all sins are mutually supportive, thus that human selfishness and greed everywhere has to do with brutalization anywhere. But to focus on greed, and to neglect, as the pope does, the most proximate source of brutalization, namely Islam, is to aid that brutalization.
The pope is not helping, he is duped by or participating in a deception and making things worse. Islam needs to be confronted, even if only with tough love. I don’t mean by that an attitude that would redeem or save Islam. But how about trying to save Muslims from Islam? How about trying to save all those who only need a little encouragement to awaken from the brutal totalitarianism of Muhammad’s example as described in Islam’s own central sources? How about if the pope educates himself on Muhammad’s life direct from the primary Islamic sources?
Idiot compassion is often a cruel counterfeit of real compassion (however, even a broken clock is right twice a day). What is “idiot compassion”? It is compassion that is not actually interested in the specific character of its object, compassion that is narcissistically focused on the purity of the one who feels the compassion. The result of idiot compassion however is often that victims are ignored while aggressors are mistakenly understood as victims. The pope ought to know the difference between idiot compassion, which is often in fact cruelty, and real compassion, which recognizes that solid knowledge of the world is essential to avoid unintentional cruelty. But apparently the pope does not understand that difference.
Eude says
Popes come and popes go – no Catholics in their sound mind accept islamic madness – pretty soon Francisco will go away and hopefully things will improve – catholics do not obey him at all – as far as I know they consider Ratzinger as their pope, thanks God.
eduardo odraude says
Let’s hope he wakes up or resigns very soon.
RichardL says
We do not have to obey the Pope. Only when he invokes his infallibility on strictly doctrinal matters. The last time was a long time ago. I suffer through his Papacy like so many. Clergy included I can assure you. He is a good man but believes to understand reality in which he has not lived for sixty years.
Diane says
Sorry, I so not even believe he is a good man.
Diane says
Correction:….. …..do not…
Terry Gain says
Francis is not my Pope.
The European says
That is only another pointless statement from fake Pope Francis. Speaking about the persecution of Oriental Christians without naming the persecutor is either cowardly or insincere. He is just blowing smoke-as always. But when Israel is at stake, he is suddenly very clear, denouncing the “occupation of Mideast land” and calling for a two-state solution. This so-called two-state solution, the Palestinians could have obtained it even at the time when the Jewish state was founded in 1948, but they don’t wish for such a solution. Hamas, Hezbollah and many Palestinians are still hell-bent on the destruction of Israel, their idea of peace means nothing but expulsion, dhimmitude and submission. Did the pope address that issue? Did he condemn Hamas and Hezbollah, did he vituperate Iran? No, of course not, that two-faced bastard.
balam says
The Pope should move his headquarters to Mecca in Saudi Arabia A.S.A.P. He seems to have gone MAD!!!!
Guy Forester says
Maybe Francisco has noticed Catholics voting with their feet and wallets. Are attendance and donations down? Sorry to be so cynical, but this guy has been courting the low income socio-economic classes with socialist non-sense. Unfortunately socialist utopian ideas rest upon the hard work and finances of the working poor and middle class.
Capitalism, as flawed as it is, gives more opportunity for people to move up the income and social ladder than classless utopian schemes, regardless of whether they are clothed in religion, atheism, or some other ism.
I will agree with the pope on one thing: Much of the world has gone bonkers fighting for access and/or control of so called cheap oil, energy, and resources. This is nothing new. It will continue until we invent a better energy source and replacements for rare earth. But don’t worry, the elites will find something new to fight over so that you and I can get killed for them.
Just call me cynical and skeptical.
SAE says
Guy, even if tithing is way down…the Catholic, Lutheran, and other churches are making LOTS OF $$$ “per head” through Refugee Resettlememt programs. If ever there was a legitimate reason for the necessary “separation of Church & State” it would be that unholy alliance. Globalists, socialists, leftists, etc., are using our tax dollars (and Europe’s) for the destruction of our culture and economy…not to mention the crime & mayhem the immigrating muslims cause.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/unholy-alliance-christian-charities-profit-1-billion-fed-program-resettle-refugees-40-percent-muslim/
Guy Forester says
Yes, it has been pointed out that Catholic Charities and a bunch of other so called charities get big bucks helping to settle refugees and providing other services for illegal aliens. So, of course, these groups want to see more of the same and even provide safe havens for criminal aliens.
That is why as a Christian, I do not want to see one penny of tax money go to any religious charity. If the members think some kind of program is such a good idea, then the members can pay for it. If not a good or popular idea, then it won’t happen. Groveling after government money only corrupts the church.
Mixing of religion and government is never good. People with faith, morals, and integrity are needed in all sectors of society, including the government. Government does not belong in the church nor the church in the government.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Eduardo, you are incompetent to cite and interprete Islamic sources .you just like the terrorist groups who hold perverted interpretations of Islamic sources on jihad fighting . This is not how to interpret Islamic sources. First, you have to have the requisite knowledge on the techniques and aids to interpretation like memorising the Quran and hadiths to avoid cherypicking, Arabic language and literature, usul al-fiqh (basis of Fiqh)and Fiqh to know how muslim scholars interpreted the Islamic sources from early days of Islam to modern days, mantiq (Logic)and standard works on Islamic history,for you to know how terrorist groups went wrong on sharia rules governing jihad fighting as we have been saying .Note:The terrorist groups revived the perverted and isolated interpretations by khawarij sect rejected by Muslims with scholarly arguments for long. Yet, you and other mischiefmakers ,including Mr Spencer himself, take that line of perverted interpretations. How can you know as ignorant fool that these terrorist groups represent true position of Islam without being able to follow the scholarly debate?
Let me education a little on how muslim scholars interprete Islamic sources. First, they raise an issue or factual situation. secondly, they search for solution. they start crosschecking the whole Quran and look for how the Prophet Muhammad interpreted the Quranic verses on that issue. Then they look at how early Muslim scholars like companions analysed the relevant hadiths interpreting those verses.If there is no direct solution to the problem, they apply Qiyas (analogy) and Ijma(consensus)reached by early Muslim scholars, especially the companions. If solution could not be found, they resort to independant reasonings guided by public interest or circumstances of particular period like our modern time. In all these, I am referring to Islamic scholars who attain the highest standards of learning. what more of you who don’t know anything and yet you assume that position preferring the views of terrorist groups from kharijism?
Malcolm (South Afric) says
Ibrahim
Like your fake prophet, you are an ass.
The European says
Ibrahim itace Muhammad
You are talking about independent reasoning of islamic scholars/jurists, and I think you are referring to “ijtihad,” and this is indeed a principle to be applied to a problem if no solution can be found in the Qur’an, the hadith or the ijma (scholarly consent), but no ra’y (personal judgement), no qiyas ( analogical reasoning) can be at variance with or in contradiction to the Qur’an, hadith etc. Ijtihad is used in Islamic jurisprudence, but only within very narrow limits. No qadi, no fuqaha would overrule a fatwa issued by the al-azhar university which demands the death penalty for an apostate, since apostasy is punishable according to the madhhab, the hadith and the ijma. Strictly speaking, there is no “independent” reasoning in Islamic jusrisprudence and theology since the rules of reasoning can can never override the rule of Islamic dogma. So, even if an Islamic judge finds it unreasonable to put an apostate to death, he will be forced to abandon ijtihad and to adopt taqlid ( unquestioning conformity to precedent and tradition). So, don’t try that trick again, I see right through you!
gravenimage says
The appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Eduardo, you are incompetent to cite and interprete Islamic sources .
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Pious Muslims always say this–that the “filthy Infidels” are not allowed to notice the savagery of Islam. That is what it is like under oppressive Shari’ah law.
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you just like the terrorist groups who hold perverted interpretations of Islamic sources on jihad fighting .
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We’ve heard *this* before–that if you notice the violence of Islam, that you are–somehow–as bad as those waging such violence.
If Ibrrahim itace muhammed *really* had a problem with this, he would take it up with his bloody coreligionists, and not civilized Infidels like Eduardo.
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This is not how to interpret Islamic sources. First, you have to have the requisite knowledge on the techniques and aids to interpretation like memorising the Quran and hadiths to avoid cherypicking, Arabic language and literature, usul al-fiqh (basis of Fiqh)and Fiqh to know how muslim scholars interpreted the Islamic sources from early days of Islam to modern days, mantiq (Logic)and standard works on Islamic history,for you to know how terrorist groups went wrong on sharia rules governing jihad fighting as we have been saying .
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Uh…right. Is Ibrahim itace muhammed such a scholar? Yet, he has held forth here on what is allowed in Jihad–including raping Infidels and keeping them as sex slaves, and mass slaughtering those who do not submit to Islam.
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Note:The terrorist groups revived the perverted and isolated interpretations by khawarij sect rejected by Muslims with scholarly arguments for long.
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Ibrahim itace muhammed likes to pretend that all Jihad terror groups follow an ancient and (somehow) extinct sect of Islam. But this is quite false.
Jihad terrorism has been a core part of Islam since the earliest days of Islam–and is still a core part of Islam to this day.
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Yet, you and other mischiefmakers ,including Mr Spencer himself, take that line of perverted interpretations. How can you know as ignorant fool that these terrorist groups represent true position of Islam without being able to follow the scholarly debate?
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There is nothing perverted about Jihad as Muslims see it–Al Azhar themselves–the orthodox seat of Sunni learning–affirmed that they could not condemn ISIS.
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Let me education a little on how muslim scholars interprete Islamic sources. First, they raise an issue or factual situation. secondly, they search for solution. they start crosschecking the whole Quran and look for how the Prophet Muhammad interpreted the Quranic verses on that issue. Then they look at how early Muslim scholars like companions analysed the relevant hadiths interpreting those verses.If there is no direct solution to the problem, they apply Qiyas (analogy) and Ijma(consensus)reached by early Muslim scholars, especially the companions. If solution could not be found, they resort to independant reasonings guided by public interest or circumstances of particular period like our modern time. In all these, I am referring to Islamic scholars who attain the highest standards of learning. what more of you who don’t know anything and yet you assume that position preferring the views of terrorist groups from kharijism?
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No Muslim scholars reject violent Jihad. How could they? If they did, they would have to reject the vicious “Prophet” Muhammed himself.
SAE says
Ibrahim, these Muslim “scholars” aren’t doing a good job of teaching/controlling their demonic minions. Obviously, it’s all a perversion and not welcome in the civilized world.
James Lincoln says
Pope Francis always takes the side of the far left and Islam – no matter what the facts say.
This Pope is dangerous.
Muhammed Jacob says
He is THE WHITE POPE taking orders from THE BLACK POPE!
So we have 2 JESUITS in charge of Christendom and that includes emasculated Russian/Greek Orthodoxy and Protestantism.
You would need to read Malachi Martin’s book, THE JESUITS, to understand how dangerous these Jesuits are. Malachi was a Jesuit himself and without coming out straight with it – Pedro Arrupe, Jesuit General put the hit on John Paul 1 and John Paul II.
gravenimage says
Notice that the appalling “Muhammed Jacob” has nothing critical to say about Muslims persecuting Christians. But given his posting history, why would he? *Ugh*.
Muhammed Jacob says
You talking to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
IMAGINE!
A 50 year old Arab stripping a 6 year old child naked and putting his “willie” between her thighs and wanking himself off; squirting his cum all over the body of the little girl!
And when the child was 9 years of age, this Perfect Example of Mankind, had full sexual intercourse with her.
This is the sunnah of the Prophet of Mohammedanism!
Muhammed Jacob says
Yo Jay Boo,
EXAMPLE OF SUNNI MORALITY:
Sunni ‘Ulama have ruled on the Permissibility of Having Sex with Watermelons
That was not a typographical error. Ibn Qayyim continues this discussion, which exemplifies the morals espoused by Sunni Islam:
“If a man makes a hole in a watermelon, or a piece of dough, or a leather skin, or a statue, and has sex with it, then this is the same as what we have said about other types of masturbation [i.e., that it is halaal in the same circumstances given before, such as being on a journey]. In fact, it is easier than masturbating with one’s hand”.
COMMENT:
All the Muslims should certainly be grateful that Ibn Qayyim has offered this advice on the easiest way to masturbate, and clearly Ibn Qayyim has done a lot of personal research on this issue. This is the ruling of the “saved sect”: Contracting temporary marriage with a woman is haram, but contracting temporary marriage with a watermelon is halaal. In his defence, perhaps Ibn Qayyim only meant that it is allowed to marry a watermelon with the intent of divorcing it, for doing Mut’ah with a watermelon would clearly be an act of fornication.
Let us remember the words of Dr. Salamah quoted at the beginning of this book:
Mut’ah, on the other hand, is an open license for sexual pleasure with as many women as one can financially afford. The women who engage in Mut’ah are hired women; thus, it can be performed with all women irrespective of their age, character, conduct or religion. It requires no witnesses, nor is there any obligation on the man’s part to provide food and shelter to the woman.
Well, it seems that in the Nasibi logic having sex with as many women as one can afford is utterly immoral, but having sex with as many watermelons as one can afford is not. Based on this, let us ask him some questions about the Ahkam related to having sex with watermelons:Are there any conditions as to the age of the watermelon? For example, is it allowed to perform a marriage with the intent to divorce with a newly grown watermelon, or must one wait until the watermelon is nine years old?
Must it be a pious watermelon, or is it permissible to contract a marriage with the intent to divorce with a watermelon that is known to “get around”?
May a pious brother share his watermelon with another pious brother, or would the second man’s marriage with the intent to divorce constitute an act of fornication unless the watermelon observes proper ‘iddah?
Are witnesses required in the marriage with the intent to divorce of a watermelon? May other watermelons serve as witnesses in that marriage, since according to Sunni fiqh all marriages require witnesses? Applying the Sunni principle of Qiyas (analogy), we can strongly argue that if it is allowed to marry (with intention of divorce) a watermelon, than certainly it is allowed for a watermelon to bear witness to another watermelon’s blessed and chaste marriage.
What about oranges?
Really, we have to ask all reasonable Muslims: would you rather follow ‘ulama that rule on the permissibility of having sex with fruits and vegetables, or follow the pious path of the Holy Imams (as), of whom Allah (swt) has said:
We intend, O Family of the Prophet, to remove from you all impurity, and to give you a through purification.
Al-Qur’an, Surah Al-Ahzab, Ayah 33
Does somebody who spends his time thinking about whether or not it is permissible to have sex with watermelons really sound like somebody who has been removed of all impurity? Why is Ibn Qayyim even thinking about such things? What kind of personal life does such a person have that would lead him to debate such issues in his mind? What happened in Ibn Qayyim’s life that one day he woke up and said: “I really need to find out if its halaal to have sex with watermelons.” Is the type of clergymen who openly rules for the permissibility of having sex with watermelons (with conditions, of course, such as that one is on a journey) be the kind of person you would want to meet in a dark alley, much less do taqlid of?
Muhammed Jacob says
Yo Jay Boo,
You made a statement and now I’ll make you eat your words:
EXAMPLE OF SUNNI MORALITY
Bestiality can be performed during Hajj
Sunni Imam Abu Bakar al-Kashani (d. 587 H) records in his authority work ‘Badaye al-Sanae’ Volume 2 page 216:
ولو وطئ بهيمة لا يفسد حجه
“If he had sexual intercourse with an animal, that will not make his hajj void”
EXAMPLE OF SUNNI MORALITY
Paedophilia, Bestiality and necrophilia can be performed whilst one is Fasting
In Bada’i al-Fuwa’id of Ibn Qayyim, page 603:
“It was narrated by Ahmed that a man came to him that feared that he would ejaculate while he was fasting. Ahmed said: “What I see is that he can release semen without ruining the fast, he can masturbate using his hands or the hands of his wife, If he has an “Ammah” whether be it a girl or a little child, she can masturbate for him using her hands, and if she was a non-believer, he can sleep with her without releasing (his semen), if he released it in her, it becomes impermissible”.
Bada’i al-Fuwa’id of Ibn Qayyim, page 603
Not to be hard done by, the Hanafi’s follow suit. In Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Page 820, the learned Hanafi scholar Allamah Hassan bin Mansoor Qadhi Khan sets out those acts that do not invalidate one’s fast, and he includes:
“Sex with animals, dead people and masturbation, does not invalidate one’s fast provided ejaculation does not occur”
Fatawa Qadhi Khan, Page 820
COMMENT
What can we say about such Fatwas of morality? Fasting in Islam, is viewed as a means via which a believer purifies himself, via self-discipline, he dedicates that time to the remembrance of Allah (swt) and keeps aloof from sinful thoughts and acts. That is the theory, but the Hanbali and Hanafi madhab allows a man (whilst fasting) to have sex with kaffir women, animals, and dead people, the only proviso being that no ejaculation takes place! Ibn Hanbal was however more considerate to his adherents allowing for a man to ejaculate whilst fasting, providing the deed is achieved via masturbation, and to this end he can do it himself, or seek the help of his wife or a small child! Is this is not evidence that Ibn Hanbal was endorsing paedophilia? Would any decent man (Muslim or Non Muslim) find it appropriate to use a child for sexual stimulation? If we put together these type of fatwas one shudders to think of the image of these great Salaf, entering the war whilst fasting, their buttocks exposed, having sex with melons at the ready. This image would have terrified the opposition!
Muhammed Jacob says
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gravenimage says
Notice that “Muhammed Jacob” *still* has nothing critical to say about Muslims persecuting Christians.
I’d take his condemnation of pedophilia with a grain of salt, as well–it does not jibe with things he has said here before.
And while it is fairly disgusting, I don’t really care if Muslims abuse watermelons. At least they aren’t hurting other people.
Jay Boo is right–“Muhammed Jacob” is only here to divert attention.
Muhammed Jacob says
MUSLIMS AND THE FIFTH COLUMN
The True Power – Bilderberg,Trilateral Commission, CFR, Skull and Bones Society
“Control energy and you control the nations, control food and you control the people” – Henry Kissinger on global balancer of power.
“Control energy and you control the nations, control food and you control the people” – Henry Kissinger on global balancer of power. | Source
BILDERBERG GROUP
The Bilderberg group was founded in 1954 by Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland, Joseph Retinger, and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. It is on record as being an exclusive ‘think tank’ of very powerful and elite individuals from North America and Western Europe. It is believed that in addition to its seemingly innocuous role as an organization that finds solutions to the worlds woes, it is also the supreme policy making group. Not only in the West and Europe, but globally.
Bilderberg is managed by a steering committee of approximately 30 individuals; there is a roster of who these people are on their official website (a very pristine website). The list will take your breath away. It is interesting that there is only one name listed under Member Advisory Group; David Rockefeller. They meet annually and invite 100 of the most powerful men and women of Europe and North America. And for the record, Bilderberg chooses you, you do not choose Bilderberg.
In the early years of Bilderberg, the bulk of the funding came from the Ford Foundation. You will find the Ford name connected to J.D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan and others. However, the one name that even these names bow to is Rothschild.
“Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.”
Mayer Amschel Rothschild
It has been said that “the wealth of Rothschild consists of the bankruptcy of nations” – Frederic Morton, The Rothschilds (1962)
“There must certainly be some sociopathic minds behind Bilderberg since they go to so much trouble to promote policies that lead to exploitation, inequality and despair. These individuals seem oddly switched off from the suffering they are clearly causing. Surely only pernicious people would want to control the ideology of the world’s mainstream press, and undermine natural political discourse. Public opinion and democratic institutions are a threat when you want to own the world.
The perverse objective of the Bilderberg Steering Group is to dress totalitarian corporate ideology up to appear rational and push it out, unattributable, for mass consumption under Chatham House rules. Meanwhile, outside the Bilder-bubble, ‘god-is-money’ globalisation is the new religon with the greedy given a pat on the back as they plunder both the earth and a large part of the human spirit.” –
bilderberggroup.net
gravenimage says
We’ve seen this sort of tripe from others beside “Muhammed Jacob”–the idea that poor Muslims are not an danger, but are just being used by bad old Infidels. Try again, creep.
gravenimage says
Pope Francis denounces “murderous indifference” to persecution of Christians in the Middle East
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Wouldn’t he have to include himself here?
Muhammed Jacob says
EXAMPLE OF SUNNI MORALITY
The Permissibility to pay a woman for sex, without fear of Islamic punishment
We read in Dur al-Mukhthar, Volume 2, Page 474 (a compilation of the great Fatwas of Imam Abu Hanifa) as follows:
We read in Fathul Qadeer that if a man informs a woman that he is paying her for sex then he cannot be subject to any manner of Islamic penalty.
Dur al-Mukhtar, Volume 2, page 474
It is indeed sad to say that the Hanafi madhab whilst catering for a man’s sexual appetite is very prejudicial to monkeys. In Sahih al Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188 we read the very sad plight of this immoral, promiscuous monkey:
Narrated ‘Amr bin Maimun:
During the pre-Islamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.
If this Hanafi had paid this she monkey for sex he would have been absolved of any Islamic penalty, whilst this poor she monkey who releases her animal instincts is stoned to death!
SAE says
Who cares?
Muhammed Jacob says
RICHARD DAWKINS SAID:
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
But he didn’t have the balls to say:
“The God of the Quran is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Or
“The God of the Zionist, Talmudic Israelis is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
gravenimage says
Is anyone else as tired of this crap from “Muhammed Jacob” as I am?
Muhammed Jacob says
HOW “MOONING” SAVED THIS MOHAMMEDAN’S LIFE:
EXAMPLE OF SUNNI MORALITY
The ‘honourable’ tactic of Amr bin Aas to survive imminent death on the battlefield
As we are intending on highlighting the morals presented by a favourite of the Salafi and Nasibi we have chosen to rely on the following authentic Sunni sources:
1. Al Bidayah wa al Nihayah, Volume 7 page 293
2. Al Akhbar at Tawaal, page 177 Dhikr Sifeen
3. Al Manaqib al Khwarizmi page 162 Dhikr Sifeen
4. Al Fusul al Muhimma, page 91 Dhikr Sifeen
5. Tadhkira al Khawwas al Ummah, page 51 Dhikr Sifeen
6. Mutalib al Saul, page 122 Dhikr Sifeen
7. Nur al Absar, page 94 Dhikr Sifeen
8. Aqd al Fareed, page 235 Dhikr Sifeen
9. Al Imam wa al Siyasa, page 99 Dhikr Sifeen
We read in al Bidaya:
“One day ‘Ali attacked Amr ibn Aas, he threw a spear and Amr fell to the ground, Amr fell to the ground and he then exposed his buttocks. ‘Ali then turned away his face [people said] this was Amr bin Aas. ‘Ali replied he showed me his anus and this made me merciful to him. When Amr ibn Aas returned, Mu’awiya said ‘You should praise Allah and your anus”.
Al Bidayah wa al Nihayah, Volume 7 page 293
Allamah Abu Hanifa Ahmed bin Dawud Dinori in ‘Akhbar al Tawaal’ has reported the flashing incident in the same manner, with the words of Mu’awiya to his beloved Commander as follows:
“You should shower praises on Allah (swt) and that black anus that saved your life today”
COMMENT
Islam has a code of ethics for all scenarios, including behaviour during Jihad, we are yet to find any code wherein Rasulullah (s) authorised the Sahaba to expose their buttocks as a means of sickening the opposition! In Karachi a Nasibi scholar said to his blind followers ‘Had Mu’awiya not entered on the plains of Sifeen the entire continent of Europe would have been conquered’. We agree with this conclusion but it would have been achieved through the battle tactics of Amr ibn Aas, since not even the greatest military tactitioner would not have accounted for this ‘shock and awe’ tactic! Our appeal to our Rafidi brethren is to control the illiterates in our community from throwing mud at Amr ibn Aas for this immoral act: after all had Amr not survived that day, who would have been enlightened enough to place the Qur’an on spears? Who would have dishonestly made Mu’awiya the khalifa during the negotiations? The Salafi are no doubt ever indebted to Amr bin Aas, for all future events such the rise to power of their fifth Khalifa Mu’awiya as Khalifa was all through the Sadaqa of the anus of Amr ibn Aas.
gravenimage says
What is the point of this claptrap?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
muhammed Jacob, you are just taking garbages from ignorant findings by orientalists and later mithraist christian Evangelist liars from Fiqh books without understanding them. There has been isolated opinion of Muslim jurists suggesting that it is permissible to have sex with animals, dead persons ,masturbation or thighing by children to satisfy sexual urges even under extreme conditions. The jurists have said where it happened that have committed such sins, he has to take ritual bath .The myopic orientalists and mithraist christian Evangelist liars assumed that it is permissible to do such acts. The book you have cited never contained such garbages by orientalists and Evangelist liars. The competent modern muslim scholars have reviewed such lies and found that they are rubbish .Refer to the standard modern works like Fatwas by Fiqh Academy of world muslim League,that of Fiqh Academy of India ‘Fiqh Ala madhabil Ar’baa ‘by Aljaza’iri and Father Alyyil malik by Muhammad Alish From Azhar university. Even the those Fatwas from Azhar being constantly referred to by an ignorant liar Gravenimage are being wrongly translated and twisted by mischief makers.
So, you and ignorant liar Gravenimage are wrong in your lines of arguments to support your condemnations of Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Again, even the reports that Prophet Muhammad thighed Aisha when the marriage was contracted was contracted before consumation and that Prophet Muhammad kissed the penis of a baby justifying homosexuality are all false.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
The two of you are hilarious.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
muhammed Jacob, you are just taking garbages from ignorant findings by orientalists and later mithraist christian Evangelist liars from Fiqh books without understanding them.
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Malcolm is right–this spat between these Muslim apologists is hilarious!
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There has been isolated opinion of Muslim jurists suggesting that it is permissible to have sex with animals, dead persons ,masturbation or thighing by children to satisfy sexual urges even under extreme conditions.
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This is also grimly hilarious–what scholars of other faiths would justify necrophilia or abusing children? *Ugh*.
And what “extreme conditions” might these be? Not enough Infidels to rape? God only knows…
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The jurists have said where it happened that have committed such sins, he has to take ritual bath .
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Some of us like to take baths–we don’t consider it punishment.
And how do you like this–abusing children and animals is fine so long as you take a ritual bath afterwards. *Ugh*.
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The myopic orientalists and mithraist christian Evangelist liars assumed that it is permissible to do such acts.
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If only Infidels had known that the Muslim perverts had to–shudder–take a bath afterwards! That would have changed their view of the whole thing…sarc/off
Doesn’t Ibrahim itace muhammed realize that he is just further exposing the barbarism of Islam here?
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Even the those Fatwas from Azhar being constantly referred to by an ignorant liar Gravenimage are being wrongly translated and twisted by mischief makers.
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Is that so? Which Fatwas might those be? Of course, Ibrahim itace muhammed is not able to cite them–nor what their supposedly correct translations might be.
Does he mean, for instance, that the Fatwa saying that Muslims can slaughter unbelievers means to give them a smooch, and that the Fatwa saying that Muslims can keep Infidels as sex slaves actually means that they can give them Christmas presents?
Why is it so hard to get good translations of Fatwas? Oh, the humanity…sarc/off
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So, you and ignorant liar Gravenimage are wrong in your lines of arguments to support your condemnations of Islam.
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That Muslim apologist “Muhammed Jacob” is too subtle for Ibrahim itace muhammed to understand is also grimly hilarious.
He constantly claims false moral equivalence–that Christians and Jews are just as bad as Muslims–or, really, so much worse. He was just scrambling to try to assert his bona fides here when called in his bs. Not very plausible–except to Ibby, of course…
Lydia Church says
Every once in a while, they have to say something that is true, or else all will appear to be as false as it is. But it is not all true, as noted, he swept the identity of the persecutors under the rug. Probably too many people were complaining about his silence so he had to say something to stay in the good graces and favorable ratings bracket. But that is how deception works; 90% truth, 10% error or some variation like that. And the 10% is the deadly poison. You can never lower your guard.
SAE says
It’s all sick and perverted. Disgusting. It’s just the opposite of Christianity. So is evil.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Lydia Church, why not blame the governments of your wicked mithraist christian west led by apartheid evil United States for sponsoring the terrorist groups carryingout such atrocities on both muslims and mithraist christians in the middleast and destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria, which aggravated the menaces instead of shifting the blame on Pope Francis who has no hand in such wicked designs?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Lydia Church, why not blame the governments of your wicked mithraist christian west led by apartheid evil United States for sponsoring the terrorist groups carryingout such atrocities on both muslims and mithraist christians in the middleast and destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria, which aggravated the menaces instead of shifting the blame on Pope Francis who has no hand in such wicked designs? Remember, not long ago wicked evil United States,UK and France launched strikes on syria when they realised that the terrorist groups they have sponsored were being decimated by gallant Syrian, Russian, Iranian and Hesbullah forces.
Muhammed Jacob says
Ibrahim itace muhammed says:
“Lydia Church, why not blame the governments of your wicked mithraist christian west led by apartheid evil United States for sponsoring the terrorist groups carryingout such atrocities on both muslims and mithraist christians in the middleast and destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria, which aggravated the menaces instead of shifting the blame on Pope Francis who has no hand in such wicked designs?”
THE POPE IS A DOPE THAT ONLY A ROPE COULD FIX!
The Jesuits are Romanized Mohammedans who hate Free Speech and are Counter Reformation! They were created to destroy the Reformation! They are the creators of MK-ULTRA i.e.The Spiritual Exercises were the first form of brainwashing!
Mohammedans were in Spain for 800 years. The Jews and Mohammedans worked together to destroy Roman Catholicism.
THE RULERS OF EVIL by Tupper Saussy!
Google it and read it on line!
Google: The RED Mass and The BLUE Mass.
See how the Jesuits control America.
Only Roman Catholics and Jews on the American Supreme Court Bench.
gravenimage says
I see the nasty “Muhammed Jacob” is ranting about Jews and Catholics again here–really, *anything* to distract from the savagery of Islam.
gravenimage says
The ludicrous Ibrahim itace muhammed is claiming that those slaughtering Christians are not Muslims, but are Americans.
Of course, this makes no sense–Ibrahim itace muhammed himself has said that Christians who do not submit to Islam may be mass murdered.
Kepha says
I’m glad the Pope is finally recognizing that Muslims are persecuting Christians in the Middle East. Better late than never.
Now, will he take to task those socialists ranging all across the Western political Left who have utilized the Gramscian march through the institutions to corrupt and weaken just about every Western institution? indeed, Jorge Bergoglio often seems himself to be a product of this same Gramscian dynamic.
I will continue to pray for our persecuted fellow Christians; for a strong and fruitful witness to Muslim peoples; and for repentance and renewed faith across the Western world. If some who pray with me may be a bit off in their theology, well, forgive our [intellectual] trespasses is how the Lord taught us to pray.
While I am at it, as a teacher, I will point out flaws in the “progressive” narrative I am required to teach and present the other side. I will even point out that the Darwinian dogma’s first use in the USA was as a buttress of white supremacy; and all of the failings of Marxism–including more murdered in the name of its progress, social jiustice, and historical necessity during the 20th century alone than were done in for heresy in the 15 centuries between the conversion of Constantine and Napoleon’s shutting down the Spanish Inquisition. I will not hide the Mughal massacres of Hindus, the Armenian genocide, or the Seyfo even as I present the Shoah; and as opportunity arises, point out the degradation demanded by Islam’s laws regarding Dhmmi.
I have found that reading the Bible on my lunch break has led to some interesting conversations with Muslim colleagues and students. I will pray for these persons to be restored through the mercy of Christ as well.
Which leads to a last point. Shame on you, Jorge Bergoglio, for speaking of “fundamentalism” as if there’s a commonality between Christians who own the term and Muslims on whom the term was foisted by a Western Leftist media and academia. Do both confess there is one God? The Christians say that the one God subsists in three persons–the Father, the Word/Son, and Holy Spirit–and that the Second became man for our salvation; the Muslims deny that Jesus Christ is both God and Man. Do both believe in a last judgment? The Christian fundamentalists teach that in Jesus’ Christ’s atoning death on the cross and resurrection from the dead on the third day the sins of his people have been atoned for and judged; the Muslims teach that they must bring their own poor works to save themselves. Do both believe God has given a divine code of ethics? The Christians have a blueprint for pursuing peace with all men, as much as it is up to us, including respect for the other man’s name, life, sexual purity, and property; Islam justifies thieving from the Kufr, violence, and the lusts of dominant males, all while seeing war as a legitimate tool for spreading its perversion of faith. Indeed, so casual is Islam’s regard for the neighbor’s good name that in the Qur’an itself it misrepresents the Christian Trinity as involving the worship of Mary; and sees the Jews seeing in Ezra a figure analogous to Christianity’s view of the person of Jesus Christ. I happily own myself a Christian fundamentalist–and if you show me a Muslim who believes in Christ’s atoning sacrifice, his divinity, and the divine authority of the Old and New Testaments (among the original Christian “Fundamentals”), I will show you a candidate for Christian baptism.
Guy Forester says
Great post Kepha.
My experience is that there are many Muslims out there that are interested in learning about the Bible and Jesus. Many would like to leave Islam. There are some that will tell you about Muslims that have been called out of Islam.
The best way to counter Islam is to get the Bible and the Gospel into those countries. The religious and political leaders of these muslim countries do everything possible to keep these people ignorant and brainwashed.
Guy Forester says
I would recommend that people stop responding to Ib and Mo J.
Nothing but salacious and off topic ranting from these two. Please do not give them the endorphin rush they desire by responding to them.
In fact, some of those postings are so disgusting, Mr. Spencer should have them removed. They serve no legitimate purpose and are the intellectual equivalent of spam.
gravenimage says
I think the only good thing about Ibrahim itace muhammed is that he exposes the savagery of Islam.
“Muhammed Jacob” is more of a stealth Jihadist, and hence perhaps more dangerous.
Muhammed Jacob says
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! A closet Mohammedan!
No Free Speech for those who disagree with the Gay Guy!
Hamophobia
noun
1. hatred or fear of Ham or of other pork meats.
A phobia, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, is an exaggerated, usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation. It may be hard for the afflicted to sufficiently determine or communicate the source of this fear, but it exists.
An exaggerated fear, hatred, and hostility toward Ham and Pigs that is perpetuated by negative stereotypes resulting in bias, discrimination, and the marginalization and exclusion of Pig from social, political, and civic life in Judaism and Islam.
gravenimage says
What is the nasty “Muhammed Jacob” babbling about now?
And Jews are not attacking people who eat pork–nor are vegetarians. Muslims certainly are, though.
The European says
First of all: Takfeerism is totally in line with Islam, it is not only practised by jihadis and terrorist Muslims
( takfir meaning the practice of declaring other Muslims to be a nonbliever -kafir- and thus an enemy of Islam), but also by orthodox and mainstream Islam. A more recent example of this is the Ahmadiyya; although the Ahmadiyya does not reject the schahadda, it is conisered kafir throughout the Muslim world, and in countries like Saudi-Arabia and Pakistan Ahmadis are outlaws and perseceuted. They are heretics in the eyes of almost all other Muslims and takfir has been pronounced on them.
Second: ISIS on the contrary has never been declared kafir, takfir has never been applied to them.
The al-Azhar University refused to pronounce takfir (anathema) on the group ISIS, and stressed the fact that a Muslim cannot be denounced as a kafir, regardless of his sins.
Quoting from the words of Sheihk Ibrahim Salih Al-Husseini the statement reads as follows: ” Those religious innovators who act in an extremist fashion are tainted with corruption, and the extremists and ISIS contrary to the claim to the Caliphate are nothing but muhabirun (literally meaning “fighters,” but in Islamic lingo it means “fighters against Allah and his religion – here the statement is inconsistent with itself, because whosoever fights against Allah and his religion must be a nonbeliever, a kafir, right?)
who spread corruption, indecency, and murder, and then they proceed to pronounce takfir on other people who try to check their thuggery and prostitution. And indeed, this religious Innovation is greater than those of the Kharijites ( an extinct Muslim sect which was famous for prounouncing takfir on Muslims who disagreed with them and killing them under that pretext.. Belonging to the first generation of Muslims they rose up in arms against Ali Ibn Abi Talib, the fourth Caliph and were put down by him) who fought Muslim/Kafirs, and killed Muslims, and pronounced takfir because of their actions.”
The declaration concludes by saying: “A slave of Allah is not out of the faith unless he denies the doctrines he affirmed in order to enter the faith, which are a testimony to the oneness of Allah and the prophethood of Muhammad PBUH ( meaning peace be upon him), and his sins, no matter how grievous, will not cause the slave of Allah to leave Islam.”
So, there is no anathema on ISIS; according to al-Husseini they are not heretics and al-Azhar disapproves of it not so much because its barbarity defies any civilised behaviour, but because they are innovators, practising takfir on other Muslims, very much like the Kharijites in the past.
But they could have easily done so, since in the past takfir has been pronounced on Islamic Groups like the Ahmadiyya ( who do not deny the schahadda and other Islamic doctrines) by Sunnite Islam. So, where is the problem regarding ISIS? But no, they haven’t done it because ISIS is islamic in their eyes.
So, according to this statement, a Muslim can lie, steal, murder, rape etc, but he is still a Muslim, as long as he sticks to Islamic dogma. If a Catholic engages in actions like these, he will be excommunicated, and he may re-admitted to to church, but only after repentance and atonement for his sins. Not so in Islam, everything is fine, so long as you adhere to the creed, but Christianity judges people by their acts, not only by their faith.
Islam is a religion for morally deficient people, they can hide behind Islamic doctrines, while indulging in acts of abomination. without fearing that their Allah might disown them.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
The European, Ijtihad is not the independant reasoning I said.Ijtihad is the process of forming an option while independant reasoning consisting of ‘Istihsan ‘and ‘masalih almursala are among the sources of sharia of second hierarchy to be used in Ijtihad process.
we are saying the terrorist groups are went wrong in the process of Ijtihad on jihad fighting by killing people indiscriminately without defining whether or not they are hostile non-muslim enemy combatants or not, they just kill any non-muslim or Muslims who disagree with them to be the targets,including civilian population prohibited to be attacked . we are saying this is wrong understanding of the sharia rules on the prosecution of jihad fighting and Prophet Muhammad said anyone who violates such rules is not fighting jihad acceptable to Allah and when he kills or he is killed he will go to hell.
Again, on apostates, it is not mere leaving Islam that warrants death penalty, the accused must do an or say something showing hostility to the umma or jamaa because
the Hadith says”tarik lidinihi almufariq liljamaa(the one who leaves his religion and becomes hostile to Muslim community)”.The terrorist groups never advert their minds to second condition, which is hostility to Muslim ummah. Also the apostate has be tried and if convicted he will be given 3 days to restore his/her allegiance to muslim state. Terrorist groups just kill, including muslims who have different opinions with them.
gravenimage says
Notice that “something hostile” may just involve an apostate saying that he has left Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed *himself* has affirmed that Muslims ma murder “blasphemers” and apostates. *Ugh*.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
The European, Ijtihad is not the independant reasoning I said.Ijtihad is the process of forming an option while independant reasoning consisting of ‘Istihsan ‘and ‘masalih almursala are among the sources of sharia of second hierarchy to be used in Ijtihad process.
we are saying the terrorist groups are went wrong in the process of Ijtihad on jihad fighting by killing people indiscriminately without defining whether or not they are hostile non-muslim enemy combatants or not, they just kill any non-muslim or Muslims who disagree with them to be the targets,including civilian population prohibited to be attacked . we are saying this is wrong understanding of the sharia rules on the prosecution of jihad fighting and Prophet Muhammad said anyone who violates such rules is not fighting jihad acceptable to Allah and when he kills or he is killed he will go to hell.
Again, on apostates, it is not mere leaving Islam that warrants death penalty, the accused must do an or say something showing hostility to the umma or jamaa because
the Hadith says”tarik lidinihi almufariq liljamaa(the one who leaves his religion and becomes hostile to Muslim community)”.The terrorist groups never advert their minds to second condition, which is hostility to Muslim ummah. Also the apostate has be tried and if convicted he will be given 3 days to restore his/her allegiance to muslim state. Terrorist groups just kill, including muslims who have different opinions with them.
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so, The European, you people are just basing your criticisms against Islam on guesswork without proper understanding. How can you be an expert on a subject you cannot even read and understand as Mr Spencer claims
Muhammed Jacob says
MUSLIMS AND THE FIFTH COLUMN
PART 2
TRILATERAL COMMISSION
The Trilateral Commission is another private organization that, for all intents and purposes, was formed to bring together (once again) North America, Europe and now Asia to address global concerns. Once again the member roster is a staggering who’s who list of the world’s top power players. According to their official website, they keep a ceiling on membership. One interesting fact; the founder of the Trilateral Commission is David Rockefeller.
Joseph S. Nye, the North American Chairman of the Trilateral Commission is also a leader in Bilderberg. Mario Monti, the European Chairman of the Trilateral Commission is also a Bilderberg member. Yotaro Kobayashi, the Pacific Asian Chairman of the Trilateral Commission is also a Bilderberg member.
The Obama Administration’s Trilateral Connection: (appointed within his first 10 days in office) – Patrick Wood,NewsWithViews.com, January 29, 2009
1- Secretary of Treasury, Tim Geithner
2- Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice
3- National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon
4- Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee, Paul Volker
5- Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair 6- Assistant Secretary of State, Asia & Pacific, Kurt M. Campbell
7- Deputy Secretary of State, James Steinberg
8- State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Haass
9- State Department, Special Envoy, Dennis Ross
10- State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Holbrooke
The Trilateral Commission was created to be a front for the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). If you look closely, you will find that they have a shared agenda. Follow the Trilateral Commission and it will lead you to the CFR. Try connecting these dots-the same men who created the CFR, also created the Trilateral Commission, and gave us the Federal Reserve.
“In 1913, CFR founding father Colonel House helped pick the charter members of the original Federal Reserve Board.” – Canada Free Press
And, once again we were warned…
“When the Democrat base finally realizes that it has been conned again (Bill Clinton and Al Gore were members), perhaps it will unleash a real political revolution that will oust Trilateral politicians, operatives and policies from the shores of our country.
If the reader is a Democrat, be aware that many Republicans and conservatives are still licking their wounds after finally realizing that George Bush and Dick Cheney worked the same con on them for a disastrous eight years of the same policies!” – The August Review, January 29, 2009
“The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power – political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical.” – Barry Goldwater
Additional Information
– http://www.trilateral.org
Trilateral Commission | New World Order
The Trilateral Commission’s Role in the New World Order
The Facts on the Trilateral Commission Show New World Order Plot | NWO Observer
Professor Anthony Sutton
Professor Anthony Sutton | Source
In his book, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Professor Antony Sutton, author of nineteen books, provides a thoroughly documented account of the role played by Morgan, Rockefeller, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, Ford, and other industrialists, in helping to finance the Nazis. To prove his point, Professor Sutton provides bank statements, letters from U.S. ambassadors, mainstream media sources, Congressional Records, excerpts from Congressional Investigations, and statements from the Nuremberg trials. Wall Street’s funding of the Nazis is part of authentic history.
Professor Sutton wrote that:
“General Motors, Ford, General Electric, DuPont,” and other “U.S. companies intimately involved with the development of Nazi Germany were … controlled by the Wall Street elite,” such as “the J.P. Morgan firm, the Rockefeller Chase Bank and to a lesser extent the Warburg Manhattan bank.” – Anthony Sutton
“The deal bringing Hitler into the government was cut at the home of banker Baron Kurt von Schroeder on January 4, 1933,” wrote author Marrs.
Other notable figures that are said to have appeared at this meeting include Council on Foreign Relations members John Foster Dulles, and Allen Dulles, of the New York law firm Sullivan and Cromwell, which represented the Schroeder bank. Allen Dulles would eventually become a member the Bilderbergers and director of the CIA. – Jim Marrs
What do you know another ‘think’ tank. Once again membership is by invitation only. New twist; only Americans can be members. In its history, we find the same names of Rockefeller, Ford and J.P. Morgan as major sources of funding the financially strapped organization.
President of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) Richard Haass, is also a member of the Trilateral Commission. Richard Holbrooke, and Dennis Ross appointed as special CFR Foreign Envoys/ Foreign Policy Advisers are Trilateral Commission members.
“…it was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World-Money powers triggered by the planned sudden shortage of call money in the New York Market.” – Curtis Dall, FDR: My Exploited Father-In-Law ( Curtis B. Dall was a syndicate manager for the investment firm, Lehman Brothers and, on the day of the crash, was on the New York Stock Exchange floor.)
And we were still being warned…
“The Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our Constitution…if the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” – Thomas Jefferson
“The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.” – Felix Frankfurter, Justice of the Supreme Court (1939-1962)
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.” – President Franklin Roosevelt (In a letter to an associate dated November 21, 1933)
“Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded.” – Senator William Jenner (warned in a speech February 23, 1954)
The Federal Reserve System, the League of Nations, and the Council on Foreign Relations had both common origins and creators. FYI, the CFR was of British — not U.S. origin. The umbilical cord to England has never been cut.
Source
Skull and Bones Society-Yale University
And yet another secret society that includes some of the same names. Many of the country’s foremost leaders were members of the Skull and Bones Society.
Wikidedia:
Founding members (1832–1833 academic year)
Frederick Ellsworth Mather (1833), Democratic member of the New York State Assembly (1854–1857)
Phineas Timothy Miller, (1833) American physician
William Huntington Russell (1833), Connecticut State Legislator, Major General
Alphonso Taft (1833), U.S. Attorney General (1876–1877), Secretary of War (1876), Ambassador to Austria-Hungary (1882) and Russia (1884–1885), father of William Howard Taft
George Ingersoll Wood (1833), American clergyman
While S&B does not have the reach of the other three organizations, I thought it important to include it primarily because of its link to the Bush family. Many of their S&B brothers were put into positions of power within the government.
Additional Information
List of Skull and Bones members – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The battle we are in has nothing whatsoever to do with political parties. But we’ve been made to think so, and have been pitted against one another to keep our focus averted. It keeps us at each other throat, each one trying to put the blame on the other-rather than placing that blame where it should be.
Kennedy was the last president we had that was not owned, or was a political puppet. For that he was killed and we have not had a president since who was his own man. And for those of you who think Obama is the Messiah, he is heavily connected to the first three groups. Has been since the beginning of his career. Surprised? You shouldn’t be.
You have read about four different organizations; all secret. Do you think it is a coincidence that the same names keep cropping up? Again, look at the positions held by these people. Almost entire cabinets are made up of people from these organizations. If you dig deep enough (and I have) every major publication is owned and/or controlled by someone on these membership lists (some people are on all four). That means that what you read is tainted, slanted and only giving the illusion of telling the truth; especially figures, and graphs, and demographics. All massaged to support whatever it is they want us to believe. And it started a very long time ago, yet nothing’s changed.
Both parties used the media to build the perception of opposing positions on key issues, while all the while building consensus on issues that were critical to social change. That’s verified in the Congressional Record for 1917, which reported that:
“…the J.P. Morgan [banking] interests…. and their subsidiary organizations got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press of the US…. They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. …an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information….” – Congressman Oscar Callaway statements were included in the Congressional Record (vol. 54, February 9, 1917, p. 2947).
You want to know what is really heart-breaking.
We were warned about what was happening way back in the beginning. Heck, even Thomas Jefferson was trying to warn us! And now, here we are in 2018 and everything we were told is coming to fruition. If it’s a few isolated instances, one can blow them off. But when it’s constant, over and over, and leaders are telling you to beware-shouldn’t you take a closer look? I’m with President Kennedy, why all the secrecy?
You may call me a nut, kook, crazy or conspiracy theorist. It doesn’t bother me because I’m in extremely good company. I just feel sorry for those of you who don’t believe, because one day you’re going to wake up and realize that us crazies had it right.
gravenimage says
I see the nasty “Muhammed Jacob” is once again claiming that it is Infidels using the poor Muslims. Nice try, creep.
Mario says
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
Robert, what are we Catholics to do? Apart from joining orders which have a more realistic understanding of Islam (such as the FSSP) and groups (such as Church Militant), and stirring things positively in the parish and at Catholic schools and universities (a much more difficult task, unfortunately), is there anything else?
gravenimage says
Sounds like a good start. And just sharing the truth with as many people as possible is another.
Muhammed Jacob says
TRUE MUSLIMS
Jesuit Scholar: Islamic Extremists Are the True Muslims
16 Jun 2017
Islamic extremists who carry out acts of terror are simply applying what their faith requires of them, according to Jesuit Father Henri Boulad, an Islamic scholar of the Egyptian Greek Melkite rite.
In an interview with the National Catholic Register, Father Boulad said that “Islam is an open-ended declaration of war against non-Muslims” and those who carry out violent jihad are true Muslims who are applying exactly what their creed demands.
Those who fail to recognize the real threat posed by Islam are naïve and ignorant of history, he said, and unfortunately many in the Church fall into this category.
Citing a letter he wrote last August to Pope Francis, Father Boulad said that:
“on the pretext of openness, tolerance and Christian charity — the Catholic Church has fallen into the trap of the liberal left ideology which is destroying the West.”
“Anything that does not espouse this ideology is immediately stigmatized in the name of ‘political correctness,’” he said.
The priest went so far as to chastise Pope Francis himself—a fellow Jesuit—suggesting that he has fallen into this trap as well.
“Many think that a certain number of your positions are aligned with this ideology and that, from complacency, you go from concessions to concessions and compromises in compromises at the expense of the truth,” the priest wrote to Francis.
Christians in the West and in the East, he wrote the Pope,
“are expecting something from you other than vague and harmless declarations that may obscure reality.”
“It is high time to emerge from a shameful and embarrassed silence in the face of this Islamism that attacks the West and the rest of the world. A systematically conciliatory attitude is interpreted by the majority of Muslims as a sign of fear and weakness,” he said.
“If Jesus said to us: Blessed are the peacemakers, he did not say to us: Blessed are the pacifists. Peace is peace at any cost, at any price. Such an attitude is a pure and simple betrayal of truth,” he said.
The priest also stated his belief that the West is in an ethical and moral debacle, and its defense of Islam is a denial of truth.
“By defending at all costs Islam and seeking to exonerate it from the horrors committed every day in its name, one ends up betraying the truth,” he wrote.
To back up his argument, Father Boulad enumerated a number of texts from the Koran that call on Muslims to employ violence in their conquest of the world for Allah.
The many passages he cited included:
“Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” (Koran 2:191),
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood” (Koran 9:123),
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them” (Koran 9:5),
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” (Koran 5:33),
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies” (Koran 22:19),
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an” Koran 8:12.
Father Boulad is not the first Jesuit scholar to criticize the West for its naivete in dealing with Islam. Last year, Georgetown scholar Father James V. Schall contended that decades of students have been given a “sanitized education” that systematically excludes an honest portrayal of the history and theology of Islam, which limits their ability to assess what is going on in the world.
In his essay titled “Realism and Islam,” Father Schall argued that Islam “is actually and potentially violent throughout its entire history” and the basic reason for this method is religious in nature: “obedience to the Law of Allah.”
Therefore, he wrote, the Western tendency to simply call Muslim violence “terrorism” is insulting to believing Muslims who “see themselves carrying out the will of Allah, even sometimes to their own death in doing so.” Rather than terrorism, he insists, Muslims see their violence as “a religious endeavor to conquer the world,” which they understand to be “an act of piety.”
Because of this gaping educational void, “most citizens are simply not equipped to face the forces now reappearing in the world,” he wrote.
“And while it may be politically incorrect to state these things, they need to be stated and are in fact the truth—things that both Muslims and non-Muslims need to hear and consider,” he said.
The European says
1.Even if you don’t kill apostates indiscriminately, ( “he must do or say something showing hostility to the umma…”), you still put him to death , and this is incompatible with our understanding of human dignity and freedom of conscience, and thus unacceptable. In Western countries freedom of religion and freedom of conscience do not only allow an apostate to leave his religion, but imply also that he can criticize his former religion
2. How do you define hostility toward the Muslim community?
If a Muslim is asked by another Muslim: “Why don’t you come to the mosque anymore,? and he answers: “I am not a Muslim anymore, I’ve left Islam, and I became a Christian, an Atheist, or whatever, and he is expounding the reasons for his decision, is he showing hostility to the umma?
If someone is drawing cartoons of Muhammad, is that an act of hosility punishable by death?
If someone is writing books that are critical about Islam ( like Hamed Abdel-Samad, an apostate against whom al-Azhar has issued a death fatwa), must he be executed because of his alleged enmity toward the umma?
Is someone an apostate who doubts that Muhammad has been a historical figure? Must he be put to death?
So, what is your Definition of “hostility?”
I think the distinction between “showing hostility toward the umma” and “simple” apostasy is a distinction without a difference, since any action directed against Islam can qualify a “hostility, ” including the fact that some Muslim decides to leave Islam ( leaving Islam presupposes indeed some opposition to Islam; if the apostate hadn’t become an adversary of Islam, he would hardly have abandoned Islam).
Marco says
The pope is the one most guilty!
Matthieu Baudin says
“… Pope Francis on Saturday denounced the “murderous indifference” that has allowed violence to consume the Middle East and drive tens of thousands of Christians from their homes, calling out global powers for seeking power and profit at the expense of the region’s people…”
Pope Francis appears to be a captive of the ‘new left’, blaming business interests and states; hinting that the church should be in tune with those wishing to dismantle nation states.