Bild cited sources at the publisher as saying that the new book could “seize on and amplify anti-Islam sentiments.”
Would Random House hesitate for a nanosecond to publish a book that might seize on and amplify anti-Christian sentiments? Anti-Jewish sentiments? Of course not. But in its cowardice — masked as respect — regarding Islam, Random House is not alone. I know from personal experience that most American publishers (with some notable exceptions, including Bombardier Books, Regnery Publishing, and a few others) will not publish Islamocritical books, no matter how carefully argued and accurate they may be. Cowardice is the fundamental character trait of this age.
“Random House axes Islam book by disputed German author: report,” AFP, July 6, 2018 (thanks to Lookmann):
BERLIN (AFP) – Publishing giant Random House has declined to release a new book by controversial German author Thilo Sarrazin over fears it could whip up anti-Muslim hatred, Bild daily reported Friday.
The dispute, which will be heard before a court in Munich on Monday, revolves around Sarrazin’s new book “Hostile Takeover — How Islam Hampers Progress and Threatens Society”.
In 2010 Sarrazin, a former central banker, published the incendiary book “Germany Does Away With Itself”, arguing that undereducated Muslim migrants were making Germany “more stupid”.
The volume became a runaway bestseller and is now seen as having helped pave the way for the anti-Islam Alternative for Germany party which entered parliament last year with nearly 100 deputies.
The new book was to have hit shelves in late August and is billed as a critical close reading of the Koran.
Sarrazin, 73, told Bild that he had signed a contract with Random House in November 2016 on the basis of a 10-page expose and delivered the manuscript in February this year….
“After a lot of back and forth about the publishing date, the publisher said at the end of May that it would not put the book out at all,” he was quoted as saying….
However Bild cited sources at the publisher as saying that the new book could “seize on and amplify anti-Islam sentiments”….
mortimer says
COWARDICE POSING AS VIRTUE.
They just don’t want to be the next victims of a CHARLIE HEBDO style massacre!
They are virtue-signaling CRAVEN COWARDS.
Free speech will disappear if journalists and publishers will not defend it.
Rarely says
They may very well be concerned about a Charlie Hebdo type incident and with just cause.
On that basis I cannot blame them for not publishing although I wish they would.
A high number of journalists are killed in war zones so they are hardly a cowardly bunch.
I cannot criticize someone for being unwilling to put their life on the line but if the job calls for it and they can’t do it get out of the business.
That the Robert Spencers and Pamela Gellers of this world have put their personal safety on the line is commendable, to say the least, but they do require 24 hr protection which makes their vocation an unattractive one.
The terrorists are winning by censoring Free Speech through intimidation with the unfortunate aid of the far left. Barring an industry-wide coordinated effort to throw off the chains of this censorship it’s hard to see the situation improving.
mortimer says
In response to Rarely. What is offensive coming from Random House is their LYING about their real motive. Why do they not admit that they are afraid of TERRORISTS ATTACKING THEM?
LYING about Islam and PRETENDING that Islam is NOT a terrorist organization is NOT THE WAY FORWARD.
Random House are a house of professional liars. How can anyone trust ANYTHING they say?
If WRITERS and PUBLISHERS will not support FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION… then who will?
Freedom of expression is in the interest of Random House. ISLAM WANTS TO SHUT DOWN MOST PUBLISHERS and reduce it to publishing RELIGIOUS BOOKS ONLY or propaganda that DEFENDS TERRORISM and ISLAMIC DICTATORSHIPS.
TELLING THE TRUTH IS OFFENSIVE IF YOU ARE HIDING SOMETHING.
boakai ngombu says
ISLAMOPHOBIA
i’ve heard ISLAM means: either PEACE or SUBMISSION/SUBJUGATION. and PHOBIA means FEAR.
i know of the PEACE which comes through faith in Christ Jesus. i do not fear this and would rather this for self and any other, as it is valuable.
i must fear, then, SUBMISSON/ SUBJUGATION.
it make no sense to SUBMIT and be ABASED. one must resist and fight – even with words spoken and written.
Rarely says
Mortimer
IF fear is their reason then I can see why they would not admit to it. RH is a business and in the business of making profits for the shareholders and NOT spear-heading Freedom of Speech. It is unlike the media and carries none (OK maybe a few) of the same responsibilities.
It publishes books but doesn’t write them. There are numerous publishers available and if none will publish and promote the book one can always self-publish.
I stand by my earlier remarks.
gravenimage says
If this was just about fear of Islam, they should have been honest about it, rather than pretending that Muslims are the victims.
For instance, after the Danish cartoon incident, there was an east coast independent newspaper called the Phoenix–I’ve forgotten what city–that openly admitted that they would have reprinted the cartoons but were afraid to do so. I actually respected their honesty.
mortimer says
Ok, Rarely, your solution is let the market sort it out. Shareholders don’t want risk. Some needy small publishers or vanity publishers will take a chance for money up front.
RH may be making a poor business decision by not publishing controversial books that could become hits.
A number of highly successful books in the past have first been turned down by major publishers who thus lost out on the profits.
In the present worldwide atmosphere of censorship of unpopular narratives and political correctness, there are many uninformed people at the top who don’t know anything about Islam. They are a Nomeklatura of the West.
Rarely says
Hi.
I’m not in favour of their decision but respect their right to make it. A particular book publisher doesn’t have the same responsibilities that the media does. One suggested solution to this self-censorship would be a concerted boycott but it seems impractical. Another solution would be a co-operative and concerted effort by the publishing community as a whole. Probably equally impractical. That leaves self-publishing with as much publicity they can muster.
We are, of course, presuming that the book isn’t just a piece of hate literature.
gravenimage says
Criticizing the vicious Qur’an does not make a book “hate literature”.
gravenimage says
Of course, Rarely–no publisher has to publish any particular book. We have the right to point out their dhimmitude and cowardice, though.
Creole Gumbo says
If RH cannot support free speech they should get out of the publishing business,
Sun says
I am afraid that they are not much concerned about an Islamic attack – there is another disturbing explanation:
Random House is owned by the Bertelsmann Publishing Group. One of the Executive board members is Mrs Liz Mohn – Angela Merkel’s best friend.
Keys says
Thanks for the connection, Sun.
RichardL says
What’s interesting is that absolutely everybody assumes that this book, like Sarrazin’ previous books about islam, will top the bestseller lists for months.
J D S says
RANDOM HOUSE …pure cowards!
Before one buys a book check the publisher..It its Random House…put it back on the shelf and one might just inform the book store…… why you are not buying the book. Probably won’t do much good but a way to protest the cowardly action of Random House.
Emilie Green says
“saying that the new book could “seize on and amplify anti-Islam sentiments”
No book can do that. But what can is . . . The Truth. Try as they might, leftists (and Random House & its principal founder Bennett Cerf are lefties) can not, despite their highly unjustified opinion of themselves in being able to bend the arc of destiny, can not get around the truth of Islam. It is finding its way throughout the West. Having your daughter or wife raped by a Muslim, based on the Qur’an give you a quick learning curve.
mortimer says
Agree with Emilie. Let the facts in the book speak for themselves. If there are errors, then correct them. If the conclusions are untenable, then challenge them intellectually.
Random House is caving in to pressure from Muslim groups. What is the price of freedom of expression, oh Board of Directors?
Is it ALL just about the money? Are you people totally amoral?
tim gallagher says
Great comment, Emilie. Yes, if the media would get the truth about Islam’s evil out there to the vast majority of the populations of most countries ( the way that Robert Spencer is doing all the time) then that would definitely “amplify anti-Islam sentiments” and quite rightly so. Instead, so much of the media continue to run a protection racket for Islam through their lies about Islam being some kind of non-threatening, peaceful ideology. As you say though, the truth is gradually finding its way throughout the West. Get the truth out there and Islam will be in big trouble very quickly..
eduardo odraude says
I’ll do my best to avoid Random House books, unless they change their minds and publish Thilo Sarrazin’s book.
Random House apparently intends to amplify the “Islam is peace” meme. So Random House people who decided this are either ignoramuses or cowards or concerned about the cost of hiring extra security. Whatever the case, Random House does not belong in the book business. Avoid their books. If you have to read one of them, read it while in the library — don’t even take the book out of the library (since taking it out would tell the library people are interested in the book).
Jaladhi says
Indeed boycott all Randpm House books and they should be somehow informed of this boycott. IfRandom House goes into censoring business then whats the difference between them and Fascist, Communist and Islamic regimes. Sad to note that all these Western people in some sort of power have forgotten to stand upto the brutes and kowtow to them!
Michael Copeland says
“Sensitivity–trained” is what Random House can claim to be.
Translation: “Self-censored”.
Jedothek says
This story illustrates a danger that has been bothering me for some time. To express it within the American case: even if the free press provision of the first amendment continues intact in the technical sense that the government does not exercise prior restraint, if people get their information from a few media giants (publishers, TV networks, social media etc. ) and if these giants choose to self censor, then our access to information will be effectively censored. It’s already happening. Has anyone heard of , say, Yahoo emails being intercepted due to anti-Islam content?
Jaladhi says
Indeed boycott all Randpm House books and they should be somehow informed of this boycott. IfRandom House goes into censoring business then whats the difference between them and Fascist, Communist and Islamic regimes. Sad to note that all these Western people in some sort of power have forgotten to stand upto the brutes and kowtow to them!
Jaladhi says
Oops, double posting!
FYI says
While they are at it..
Does Random House have any plan to call for a ban on a particularly vicious anti-Semitic,anti-Christian tome that preaches violence and hatred towards non-muslims?
A book that amplifies antiJewish {and antichristian} sentiments…..
You know:
the koran.
gravenimage says
FYI, Random House does indeed publish a translation of the Qur’an:
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/302867/the-quran-by-translated-by-tarif-khalidi/9780143105886/
And Tarif Khalidi is a particularly nasty Muslim apologist.
John Hawk says
Poor Islam.
In the Internet Age, there is just nowhere to hide. The Left does its best, by banning a book here and a blog there, to turn Islam into a fairy tale about a “Religion of Peace” that never was, nor, given its foundational principles, never can be. Western elites and politicians play their roles sometimes because they are misguided, and more ominously, because they are cowards who fear Islam and so would rather capitulate than defend 2,000 years of Judeo-Christian values.
But the Internet shines its glaring light in all those dark and seedy corners of Islam where the doctrinal cockroaches dwell, revealing the filth and brutality and corruption for what it is. And free-thinkers and patriots everywhere will not be deceived. The game is good and truly up for Islam, no matter what temporary setbacks may be encountered along the way.
Wellington says
Excellent comment. Yes, Islam will not be able to withstand a scrutiny due to modern technology the likes of which it has never been exposed to before. The worst religion ever created by man will not go away quietly and thus much death, maiming and destruction is yet in store for mankind courtesy of Islam, but I, like you, do not see, long term, how Islam can survive except on the extreme margins of some societies much as Nazism still does. Islam is the greatest mistake over the longest period of time in the history of man and with each passing year this truth is registering with more and more people on this tiny planet we inhabit.
eduardo odraude says
Yes.
David Wood has pointed out that his is the first generation to have full access in the English language to all the core Islamic sources, and also the means to broadcast those sources to the whole globe. The result is that Islam is being profoundly undermined even its heartlands as the many Muslims who had not heard about the details of the life of Muhammad find out. Still, Islam is deeply rooted in family ties and blood ties and totalitarian fear. That combination — of family love with totalitarian terror — will give Islam some endurance still to come. Unlike communism, Islam managed, via its spirit, to drive Islamic roots right into the body and the blood. But increasing light will be shed on Muhammad, and growing numbers will abandon him inwardly if not outwardly, so that Islamic societies will be subverted at their foundations. Or so we must hope.
gravenimage says
There is little love in the Muslim family. Plenty of terror, though.
infidel says
+1 M…As far as I’m concerned Islam has run out of all excuses and exhausted all the goodwill and chances for redemption. The longer the powers that be in infidel nations dillydally on this, the more bloody the day of reckoning is actually going to be…
balam says
Why not ban the printing of Quran in the West for its hateful teaching against the Jews and the Christians?
gravenimage says
Then people like Robert Spencer would be arrested for daring to warn about the contents of the Qur’an. I’d wind up in jail, myself–so would many others here.
Benedict says
“the new book could “seize on and amplify anti-Islam sentiments”….
Maybe the book could also provoke terror attacks on bookstores and publishing houses. Just a hunch.
gravenimage says
dhimmitude does not make us safer, though.
elee says
Good posts all.
Muslims have gone their Nazi sponsors one better…..they’re burning books before they get printed. I’m mad, this is how a gang of criminals substitutes physical fear for open discussion of……first one thing, then another, then another.
granddaddy says
No doubt Thilo Sarrazin is looking for another publisher. As for cowardice, I can’t say I admire Random House for it. If they are not about truth, then what are they about (aside from money, of course)? If they’re just another form of the MSM, then why buy their books? Just turn on the fake news. It costs less and you don’t have to spend all that time improving your mind. You can bet when Muhammad wants his latest catalogue of lies published, they’ll be right there for it. They’re more than just cowards, they’re selling out their country.
gravenimage says
Here’s more on one of Thilo Sarrazin’s previous books, on Muslims not integrating into German society, from Der Spiegle in 2010:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-man-who-divided-germany-why-sarrazin-s-integration-demagoguery-has-many-followers-a-715876.html
It’s pretty much a nasty hit piece from Der Spiegle, and is pretty coy about what is actually in the book. Reading between the lines, Sarrazin’s book still sounds well worth reading, though.
elee says
Oh and hey folks…….Random House has a web site. So tell them the things you see written above. I just did, it took 45 seconds. Tell them!
omar says
Where is the love of Christianity?
What activates or propagates will multiply the terrorists
Please stop we are not terrorists
You should talk about Nike and not what you want
In Azhar they will not judge you because you mislead people. All the hadiths that you have published in your books are repaid to them
Dr. Robert open your heart and do not consider myself a Muslim and ready to fight terrorism and die and I fight
omar says
I am Muslim and ready to fight terrorism and die, and I am fighting
Wellington says
Islam fully implemented = terrorism. Mohammed himself said, “I have been made victorious with terror.” {Bukhari Hadith 4.52.220}
omar says
Firstly: The question that is raised by the noble question is: When did the Prophet say this hadeeth? Answer: Ibn Hajar said in Al-Fath: And he said: (I was given five) in the narration of Amr ibn Shu’ayb that it was in (the invasion of Tabuk) and the last invasions of the Messenger of Allah r … uh.
Note that r said this talk when he returned from the Battle of Tabuk victorious in horror without shedding blood as he r traveled to the Romans to meet them; when news reports that the Romans are preparing to eliminate Islam and its people in their homes; he went to them before they came to him; And fled from the horror said the Prophet r: “We have been horrified month march.”
“He said.
I wonder: where is the infamous terrorism? And where the spread of religion of terrorism of the modern as alleged opponents?!
This noble Prophet, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, sheds terror in the hearts of his enemies and the truth of God. He says: We will cast in the hearts of those who disbelieve the horror, by associating with Allah unless He brings down His power and their refuge, the Fire and the evil of the oppressors.
And Bob Bukhari – may God have mercy on him – a door entitled (Bab) saying the Prophet r horror of the march of a month and say : (we will put in the hearts of those who disbelieve horror, including God) said Jabir about the Prophet r.
Therefore, Allah is the one who supports his followers by throwing terror into the hearts of their enemies. It is bad for them to say about a prophet of the Prophets (a terrible prophet). This is due to their bad morals and the extent of their hatred
a.
Ibn Hajar said in al-Fath: Saying: (Nasrat terrified) Abu Amamah increased “throwing into the hearts of my enemies” narrated by Ahmad.
He said: “The march of a month” concept is that no one has victory in horror in this period and not in more than them, but below them, but the term narrated Amr ibn Shu’aib “and insisted on the enemy in horror, even if I have a month march, Make the end months; because he was not between his own and one of his enemies more than him ….. uh
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not defeat his enemies from the Romans in the Battle of Tabuk without a fight; , And this is to say : With the grace of your Lord Vdah (11) God’s victory in the horror of his enemies without fighting and bloodshed, and made him the land of mosque and purified, and handed him the spoils, and gave the mosques words any little words that carries many meanings, To some people in general and in some accounts it was sent to all creation; This Hadith indicates the greatness of this Prophet r, and the sincerity of his prophecy, and the support of God Almighty.
Third: The Bible mentions that God convinces his followers to throw terror in the hearts of their enemies as was our prophet r, in several places including:
1 – Deuteronomy 11: 25 No man shall stand before you. The Lord your God will make your fear and your fear upon all the earth that you trample, as He has spoken to you.
2 Chronicles 2 Chronicles 14 Chapter 11 And Asa called the LORD his God, and said, Lord, you have no difference to help many and those who have no power. And the LORD our God has helped us, because we have to trust you, and in your name we have offered this army. Lord, you are our God. “No man will strengthen you.” 12 And the LORD smote the Cushites before Asa and before Judah, and the Kushites fled. 13 And Asa and the people that were with him drove them to Gerar, and fell down from the Cushites, so that they were not alive: for they were broken before the Lord and before his army. And they carried a very great booty.
Wellington says
Any violence condoned in the Old Testament is for one time and place only, contra Koranic instruction which serves as a paradigm for action for all time. By now, you should realize, Omar, that there are too many people here at JW who know that while the Bible is often merely descriptive the Koran is always prescriptive. Let’s face it, Jewish Orthodox rabbis stoning adulteresses to death are rather scarce nowadays, n’est pas?
Moreover, there are 164 verses in the Koran calling upon Muslims to wage war upon humanity “until all religion is with Allah” {Sura 8:39}, versus 0 verses in the New Testament instructing Christians to wage war upon mankind until all the world is Christian. Moreover, over 60% of the Koran is either about waging war against non-Muslims or despising them (e.g., Sura 60:4). This is sick stuff, Omar.
Finally, and the psychopathic character of Mohammed aside, to this very day, and as put forth by every major school of Islamic theology, both Sunni and Shiite, for instance the four main Sunni schools, the Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki and Shafi, death for apostasy is mandated (Mohammed himself said, “He who changes his Islamic faith kill him”—Bukhari Hadith 9.84.57). Islam also sanctions rape as evidenced by Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70. These two features alone, i.e., death for apostasy and the sanctioning of rape, forget all the other disturbing rot found in the Islamic theological blueprint, are enough to repudiate ALL of Islam for ALL time.
You will have to do much better, Omar, than you have done so far, because you see here at JW you have many people who “get” Islam. Over 33,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide just since 9/11 are just one of many facts about Islam that those who post here regularly (and millions more across the earth) know about the worst religion of all time.
Islam is putrid, Omar. There is not one damn thing that is good about it that can’t be found elsewhere and yet there is much malevolence in Islam that is deuce difficult to find anywhere else. So, why be a Muslim at all? The only truly defensible thing a Muslim can do is leave Islam completely, though this does often come with danger, you know, the “apostasy thing,” which I already mentioned and which shames Islam forever—as do so many other “features” of this horrible excuse for a religion.
omar says
my dear
Spencer has tricked you
Islam has many historical verses
But of course Spencer would not say that
You say that terrorists derive teachings from the Koran, but read this and you will know that terrorism has no religion
Report: Attacks on Muslims and Jews in Germany are 20 times more than attacks on Christians
The number of anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim attacks in Germany is 20 times higher than the number of attacks against Christians, according to the German daily Mittel-Deutsche Zeitung on Friday (February 16, 2018). The newspaper quoted this information from the response of the Federal Ministry of Interior to a query directed by the Green Party bloc in the Bundestag.
Source :
http://en.qantara.de
Terrorist Nikolas Cruz explains what he was doing before he was killed in a Florida school massacre that killed 17 people.
Terrorist Nikolas Cruz says: “You will all die! I am so excited! My goal is to kill at least 20 people using the AR-15!” I think I will do well! My anger will know who I am !!! ”
Abandoning a terrorist plot targeting French Muslims.
The news was quoted by RT France, quoting the French news channel LCI.
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The arrest of 10 people of the extreme right who planned terrorist attacks targeting Muslims.
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The issue of “killing the apostate” in Western thought is very problematic. They think that Islam hates people until they follow it, and they ignore the Muslim constitution in the issue of freedom of belief represented by the saying: “There is no compulsion in religion” (1).
The second issue is the legislative application and the method of dealing with the apostate in the era of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The second is the legal application of the apostate, As well as his successors, may Allah be pleased with them.
In the era of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he did not kill ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Abi, and he said: “When we return to the city to leave the most dearest of them,” (3) (5), and did not kill the one who says to him: “This division is what I want the face of God” (6), and did not kill those who said to him – What is the ruling on Zubayr by offering it in watering: “If he is your cousin” (7), and others who were reported to be harming him and diminish, an alpha Boomerang out Qailha pieces; because they accuse the Prophet of Allah bless him and his family, including his denial for honesty and justice.
It was in the left of the killing of the mentioned and others great interests in his life, and still after his death by the people and not to turn away from him; it is if he told them that he kills his companions to Nfroa, has referred to this particular, and said to Omar, may Allah be pleased with him for the reference to the killing of Abdullah bin My father: “People do not talk that Muhammad is killing his companions” (8), and did not use what God allowed him to take revenge on the hypocrites and punish them as stated in Surat Al-Ahzab. He said: If the hypocrites are not finished and those in their hearts disease and Marjafon in the city They are near you Where only a little * cursed wherever they were taken and killed and killed ((
All those facts that were in the era of legislation made Muslim jurists understand that the issue of “killing apostate” is not a matter related to the freedom of belief and thought, and is not linked to persecution, and that the texts that stressed in that, did not mean exit from Islam as much as the exit on Islam, Against public order in the state, and it is an exception to the provisions of religion adopted by the nation, and then considered synonymous with the crime of treason, which is forbidden by all laws, constitutions and law
It is a war in religion, as the Almighty says: “A group of the people of the Book said, Believe in what is revealed to those who believe the face of the day, and to disbelieve the last, so that they may return.” (14).
This is also supported by the hadeeth of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah: [The Prophet rebuked him and challenged him]. (15).
This is also supported by the hadeeth of Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah: [The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) accepted the repentance of a group of apostates and ordered the killing of a group of others who included apostasy and other things that included harm and harm to Islam and Muslims. He added to his response that he killed the Muslim and took the money, and did not repent before his ability. He ordered the killing of the two Qaraynites because they were not included in their response, and also ordered the killing of Ibn Qatl, because he did not add insult to slander and killed the Muslim, and ordered the killing of Ibn Abi al-Sarh. (15).
والله سبحانه وتعالى أعلم.
From the above, we find that the “issue of killing apostate” is not applied in the living reality, and its presence in the legislative sources was not a punishment against freedom of thought and belief, but rather subject to administrative law.
only God knows.
Source: Egyptian House of Fatwa
One of the leaders of Azhar
omar says
Means that he should not be killed unless
He broke up the Islamic nation
Do not ever fool me
I know everything
If you want a debate
I agree online no one will fool me
I study Islam very well
All that Spencer said was false
Second
The character of Mohammed
He lives in a brutal nation that responds to the religion of God and what he wants to do
Terrorists
How did they not think that Islam is a religion and a beast
This does not make you doubt
Wellington says
Yawn.
gravenimage says
True, Jay Boo.
gravenimage says
omar wrote:
Where is the love of Christianity?
What activates or propagates will multiply the terrorists
Please stop we are not terrorists
You should talk about Nike and not what you want
……………………….
What is omar saying here? Is he acknowledging that if Infidels dare say anything about how violent Islam is, that pious Muslims will slaughter them? It sure sounds like it.
More:
In Azhar they will not judge you because you mislead people. All the hadiths that you have published in your books are repaid to them
……………………….
Is this a reference to Al Azhar? That orthodox institution of Sunni learning has affirmed that Muslims may wage violent Jihad, and use Infidels as slaves and sex slaves.
More:
Dr. Robert open your heart and do not consider myself a Muslim and ready to fight terrorism and die and I fight
……………………….
Is that so? The why is omar pestering the good Infidels at Jihad Watch, rather than actually talking to his fellow devout Jihadist coreligionists?
More, in reply to Wellington:
Firstly: The question that is raised by the noble question is: When did the Prophet say this hadeeth? Answer: Ibn Hajar said in Al-Fath: And he said: (I was given five) in the narration of Amr ibn Shu’ayb that it was in (the invasion of Tabuk) and the last invasions of the Messenger of Allah r … uh.
Note that r said this talk when he returned from the Battle of Tabuk victorious in horror without shedding blood as he r traveled to the Romans to meet them; when news reports that the Romans are preparing to eliminate Islam and its people in their homes; he went to them before they came to him; And fled from the horror said the Prophet r: “We have been horrified month march.”
……………………….
The idea that this Muslim invasion was bloodless is absurd. And note that this is more fake Muslim victim mongering.
Moreover, the texts of Islam are held to be good for all time. This was not just a one-off, as omar pretends.
“He said.
I wonder: where is the infamous terrorism? And where the spread of religion of terrorism of the modern as alleged opponents?!
This noble Prophet, may God’s prayers and peace be upon him, sheds terror in the hearts of his enemies and the truth of God. He says: We will cast in the hearts of those who disbelieve the horror, by associating with Allah unless He brings down His power and their refuge, the Fire and the evil of the oppressors.
……………………….
The idea that bloody Muslim conquest is made up of nothing but Muslim prayers–which Infidels are supposedly terrorized by–is simply ludicrous.
More:
And Bob Bukhari – may God have mercy on him – a door entitled (Bab) saying the Prophet r horror of the march of a month and say : (we will put in the hearts of those who disbelieve horror, including God) said Jabir about the Prophet r.
Therefore, Allah is the one who supports his followers by throwing terror into the hearts of their enemies. It is bad for them to say about a prophet of the Prophets (a terrible prophet). This is due to their bad morals and the extent of their hatred
……………………….
In other words, if you resist Muslim conquest, you have “bad morals”. *Ugh*.
More:
…God’s victory in the horror of his enemies without fighting and bloodshed, and made him the land of mosque and purified, and handed him the spoils, and gave the mosques words any little words that carries many meanings, To some people in general and in some accounts it was sent to all creation; This Hadith indicates the greatness of this Prophet r, and the sincerity of his prophecy, and the support of God Almighty.
……………………….
The implication that the city of Tabuk just handed over booty, women, and themselves to be murdered and enslaved is just absurd.
And Wellington is right–Jews and Christians are not sacking unbelievers and citing scripture to support it. Muslims certainly are, though. omar appears to have no problem with this.
my dear
Spencer has tricked you
Islam has many historical verses
But of course Spencer would not say that
……………………….
Muslims continue to rape, rob, and slaughter Infidels on the basis of the Qur’an and Hadith and the model of the “Prophet”. Again, if omar actually had a problem with this, he would take it up with his fellow Muslims, and not with civilized Infidels here.
He then goes on to claim that it is Infidels who are waging violent Jihad
More:
You say that terrorists derive teachings from the Koran, but read this and you will know that terrorism has no religion
Report: Attacks on Muslims and Jews in Germany are 20 times more than attacks on Christians
The number of anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim attacks in Germany is 20 times higher than the number of attacks against Christians, according to the German daily Mittel-Deutsche Zeitung on Friday (February 16, 2018). The newspaper quoted this information from the response of the Federal Ministry of Interior to a query directed by the Green Party bloc in the Bundestag.
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http://en.qantara.de
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There is nothing at this cite that references anything that omar claims.
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Terrorist Nikolas Cruz explains what he was doing before he was killed in a Florida school massacre that killed 17 people…
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No one has ever said that Muslim are responsible for *all* terror attacks–just far and away most of them, despite their being a minority. There have been well over 33,000 Jihad terror attacks, just since 9/11.
Is omar actually opposed to violent Jihad meant to force the submission of Infidels to Islam? He doesn’t say that he is.
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Abandoning a terrorist plot targeting French Muslims.
The news was quoted by RT France, quoting the French news channel LCI.
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The arrest of 10 people of the extreme right who planned terrorist attacks targeting Muslims.
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RT-FRANCE
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There is nothing at that link.
Here is the link:
https://www.rt.com/news/430828-france-right-extremists-arrested/
Of course, everyone here condemns this. Does omar condemn Jihad terror attacks in France or anywhere else? He certainly does not say so.
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Now get into the rebound
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The issue of “killing the apostate” in Western thought is very problematic. They think that Islam hates people until they follow it, and they ignore the Muslim constitution in the issue of freedom of belief represented by the saying: “There is no compulsion in religion” (1).
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This is not “Western thought”. Islam itself–including the “Prophet”–said that apostates from Islam must be killed. As for that quote, Muslims do not consider a sword at the throat–or at the throat of one’s loved ones–to be compulsion. if the Infidels don’t want to convert to Islam, they can always die.
Again, if omar had a problem with either forced conversions or the murder of apostates, he would take it up with his coreligionists.
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…understand that the issue of “killing apostate” is not a matter related to the freedom of belief and thought, and is not linked to persecution, and that the texts that stressed in that, did not mean exit from Islam as much as the exit on Islam, Against public order in the state, and it is an exception to the provisions of religion adopted by the nation, and then considered synonymous with the crime of treason, which is forbidden by all laws, constitutions and law
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In other words, the vile omar *approves* of the murder of apostates. No surprise there. *Ugh*.
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From the above, we find that the “issue of killing apostate” is not applied in the living reality, and its presence in the legislative sources was not a punishment against freedom of thought and belief, but rather subject to administrative law.
only God knows.
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What *absolute crap*. Muslims murder apostates all the time.
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Means that he should not be killed unless
He broke up the Islamic nation
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We’ve heard this before. The basic idea is that Islam is an army, and hence no one is allowed freedom of conscience lest they “betray” the savage creed of Islam. So, apostates may always be murdered.
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Do not ever fool me
I know everything
If you want a debate
I agree online no one will fool me
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Typical Muslim supremacism.
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I study Islam very well
All that Spencer said was false
Second
The character of Mohammed
He lives in a brutal nation that responds to the religion of God and what he wants to do
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Actually, omar here has pretty much confirmed the savagery of Islam. Apologists for Islam so often wind up doing just that.
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Terrorists
How did they not think that Islam is a religion and a beast
This does not make you doubt
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A good description of Islam, actually. Just surprised that omar let it slip.
omar says
Haha you’re bankrupt do not know anything about Islam do not speak I told you to talk to you and you
I gave you information
She did not respond
I said that attacking Muslims does not refer to anything
I am telling you that is too small to write about Islam
I know everything
So no one will fool me
omar says
I told you that
Terrorism has no religion
They kill Muslims and Christians
And Jews
I will give you a promise if I discuss you and you are victorious when I embrace Christianity
You will have a great reward with Jesus
omar says
I will accept
The forgiveness of Jesus if you want to talk
Take all Spencer’s books with you
Wellington says
Fine rebuttal, gravenimage, to the tedious, deceptive, prevaricating, condescending and at times virtually unreadable “Omar.” You have more patience with this excuse maker for the worst religion of all time than I do, though I’m glad you do. After all, at times those who apologize for evil must be taken on, which you have done in your thorough manner once again.
omar says
Wellington
Escape is a key feature in you
Do not respond with vanity
Deceiver is deceptive even if he becomes a prophet
I know you will say like the Prophet Muhammad
Listen to Spencer? absurdity
omar says
I have a Christian friend I love very much
Become like my brother
You are avoiding Muslims because you are ignorant
You only know about Islam through Spencer
If you want anything I’m in service
Christians will remain Muslim brothers
in Egypt
We actually live like brothers
Wellington says
Escape is a key feature in me? Well, I’ve been accused of many negatives (some of them justified) but never being an escapist. This is a new one.
As for Christians and Muslims living like brothers in Egypt, oh yeah, right. I think Coptic Christians would provide a far different point of view.
Wherever Islam dominates it sets up a Jim Crow system based not on race but on belief. In no Muslim polity, now or ever, have non-Muslims been fully equal under the law (e.g., being able to preach their faith of choice to Muslims even though Muslims could preach their faith to non-Muslims or being able to build or even repair their houses of worship without Muslim permission).
Moreover, Islam is a mortal enemy of true freedom. There is no real freedom of speech in any of the over fifty Muslim nations that now exist. Doubt me? Then name one.
omar says
Small discussion and embrace Islam with me
Do not be alone
If you do not run away
Please discuss me
I want to discuss good people like you
Your only fault is that you hear Spencer
Do not hear me
It is natural to say this
You do not live in a safe country
Egypt and this does not say what does not teach
During the conversation you can cite all Spencer’s books
If Islam was the enemy of freedom
No one can enter Islam long ago
For all conquests were to dispel injustice
I can refute all Spencer’s suspicions about conquests
gravenimage says
More from omar:
Haha you’re bankrupt do not know anything about Islam do not speak I told you to talk to you and you
I gave you information
She did not respond
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Actually, I responded at some length. omar chooses to ignore every point I made. No surprise there.
An omar’s problem with me is not that I don’t know enough about Islam, but that I know too much.
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I said that attacking Muslims does not refer to anything
I am telling you that is too small to write about Islam
I know everything
So no one will fool me
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In other words, no one is allowed to say anything critical about the savagery of Islam. omar may believe that we already live under Shari’ah law where no criticism of Islam is allowed, but he is mistaken.
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I told you that
Terrorism has no religion
They kill Muslims and Christians
And Jews
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The vast majority of terrorist attacks–and the only ones sacralized by their faith–are Jihad error attacks. Jihad is a core part of Islam, and was practiced by the “Prophet” Muhammed, considered the model for every Muslim. Of course, omar does not address this at all.
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I will give you a promise if I discuss you and you are victorious when I embrace Christianity
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Well, *this* is interesting, for a number of reasons.
Firstly, of course, it is obviously a false offer, since omar has not honestly debated a single point I brought up.
But note, further, the idea that every human interaction is a desire to dominate and crush others. This is the *Muslim* world view–not that of Christians, Jews, or secularists.
Then, note the assumption that any Westerner must perforce be Christian. This is actually quite common with Muslims, who consider all Westerners to be “Crusaders”, even when they are openly non-Christian.
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You will have a great reward with Jesus
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Yet more proof that omar–like so many Muslims–understands nothing about Christianity.
Christianity does not force conversions–people convert to Christianity because they have come to know the love of Jesus, not because someone has beaten them in a debate.
As for coerced conversions being rewarded by Jesus, it seems that omar has him confused with the vicious “Prophet” Muhammed. *Ugh*.
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I will accept
The forgiveness of Jesus if you want to talk
Take all Spencer’s books with you
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In other words, omar is sneering that he will only accept Christianity if all of Robert Spencer’s books are destroyed–hence making it harder for Christians and all other Infidels to learn about–and defend against–the savage threat of Islam.
He also, clearly, understands nothing about freedom of speech–even if I had the ability to destroy someone’s body of work–which I clearly do not–I would not do so. No one who stands for freedom would do this, even with an author whose ideas they disagreed with.
More, in reply to Wellington:
Wellington
Escape is a key feature in you
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Well, this is just a bizarre claim. Wellington is always honest and forthright–he is “escaping” nothing here in taking on the nasty omar.
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Do not respond with vanity
Deceiver is deceptive even if he becomes a prophet
I know you will say like the Prophet Muhammad
Listen to Spencer? absurdity
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omar is still unable to point to anything that Robert Spencer has gotten wrong.
And he brings up Muhammed’s deceptions, but then just sneering dismisses the idea.
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I have a Christian friend I love very much
Become like my brother
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Islam says that Infidels–including Christians–can be robbed, raped. enslaved, and slaughtered outright if they do not submit to Islam. Does omar demand that his Christian “brother” be OK with that?
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You are avoiding Muslims because you are ignorant
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Actually, omar has no idea whether Wellington knows any Muslims personally or not. But suppose he does know some superficially affable Muslims? Does that somehow invalidate the Islamic mandate to invade and conquer Infidel lands? Does it somehow negate all those 33,000+ Jihad terror attacks?
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You only know about Islam through Spencer
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Of course, this is not true at all. As informative as Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch have been, there are many other sources–unending reports of Jihad terror in the mainstream media; the core orthodox Islamic texts, including the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira; the model of the savage “Prophet” Muhammed; secondary texts like the “Reliance of the Traveller; the opinions of respected Islamic scholars, including those at Al Azhar; and the barbaric and bloody history of Islam.
For myself, I had already studied the brutal Qur’an before I discovered Jihad Watch.
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If you want anything I’m in service
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So far, all omar has offered here is evasion and whitewash.
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Christians will remain Muslim brothers
in Egypt
We actually live like brothers
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Is this how Muslims treat their “brothers”?
“Egypt: Muslims murder Christian for having cross tattoo, vow to ‘kill more Copts’”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/01/egypt-muslims-murder-christian-for-having-cross-tattoo-vow-to-kill-more-copts
“Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Palestinian territories are among most dangerous places on earth for Christians”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/01/egypt-jordan-syria-and-palestinian-territories-are-among-most-dangerous-places-on-earth-for-christians
There are many, many more such stories. Why are we supposed to regard genocide of Christians as a good thing?
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington.
gravenimage says
Yet more from omar, which posted while I was replying to his previous ugly drivel:
Small discussion and embrace Islam with me
Do not be alone
If you do not run away
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Sounds like another threat.
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Please discuss me
I want to discuss good people like you
Your only fault is that you hear Spencer
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The idea that the civilized Wellington would embrace the oppressive and bloody creed of Islam if only he was not reading Spencer speaking critically of pedophilia, rape, crushing of freedom, and mass murder is absurd.
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Do not hear me
It is natural to say this
You do not live in a safe country
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Why is America not safe? In large part, because of omar’s coreligionists slaughtering people in Jihad terror attacks.
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Egypt and this does not say what does not teach
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Egypt is terribly dangerous for Christians and secularists.
“Raymond Ibrahim: Islam’s ‘Slow Motion Genocide’ of Christians”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/03/raymond-ibrahim-islams-slow-motion-genocide-of-christians
“Egypt: Atheist blogger arrested for criticizing Islam”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/egypt-atheist-blogger-arrested-for-criticizing-islam
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During the conversation you can cite all Spencer’s books
If Islam was the enemy of freedom
No one can enter Islam long ago
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This makes no sense. Of course one of the few “freedoms” under Islamic conquest is conversion to Islam–including forced conversion.
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For all conquests were to dispel injustice
I can refute all Spencer’s suspicions about conquests
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Ah, yes–Muslims had to conquer and enslave half the world. That “injustice” consisted of Muslims having to see Infidels living freely.
If Muslims ever get the chance to conquer the free West–and that is the goal of Jihad here–then omar will tell us that we were unjust for not allowing Muslims to take over and impose brutal Shari’ah law on us. *Ugh*.
omar says
So far, you have not said any true point about Islam
I told you
You are coining the truth as Spencer did
I did not discuss any point because there is no point I said deserves discussion
The suspicions that Spencer has put forward to you, which you take as an argument and all the conversations that supposedly urge murder
With deceptive sorry
The suspicions and all the articles put forward by Spencer on Islam in the site
Representing 1%
Of the suspicions we are studying
omar says
you said
In other words, no one is allowed to say anything critical of insulting Islam. Omar may believe that we are already living under Islamic law, where he is not allowed to criticize Islam, but he is wrong.
And
The vast majority of terrorist attacks – and the only ones of their faith – are the wrong jihad attacks. Jihad is an essential part of Islam and was practiced by the “Prophet Muhammad” and is considered a model for every Muslim. Of course, Omar does not deal with this at all.
And
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Well, this is interesting for a number of reasons.
First, of course, it is obviously a false offer, because Omar did not publicly discuss one point I made.
But also note that the idea that every human interaction is the desire to control and crush others. This is the opinion of the Muslim world, not the point of view of Christians, Jews or secularists.
He then observed the hypothesis that any Westerner should be Christian. This is already common with Muslims, who consider all Westerners to be “crusaders,” even when they are not openly Christians.
And
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However, there is more evidence that Omar, like many Muslims, does not understand anything about Christianity.
Christianity is not forced to convert – people convert to Christianity because they knew Jesus’ love, not because someone defeated them in a debate.
As for the forced conversions to which Jesus is rewarded, Omar appears to have confused him with the prophet Muhammad the wicked. *Ugh*.
And
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In other words, Omar mocks that he will not accept Christianity unless all the books of Robert Spencer are destroyed, making it difficult for Christians and all other infidels to learn – and defend – the brutal threat of Islam.
He clearly does not understand anything about freedom of expression, even if I have the power to destroy someone’s body – which I do not do clearly – I can not do. None of those who defend freedom will do so, even with an author who did not agree with his ideas.
Well, this is just a strange claim. Wellington is always frank and frank – he “chants” nothing here at a bad age.
And
I still can not point to anything Robert Spencer used to.
Mohamed deceives, but he only forgives the idea.
And
Islam says that infidels – including Christians – can be robbed and raped. Enslaved, and slaughtered directly if they did not submit to Islam. Does Omar ask for his Christian “brother”?
And
In fact, Omar has no idea whether Wellington knows any Muslim personally or not. But suppose he knows some of the superficially held Muslims? Does this somehow invalidate the Islamic mandate to invade and conquer infidel lands? Does this somehow negate all these 33,000-degree jihadist terrorist attacks?
Of course, this is not true at all. Like what happened with Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch, there are many other sources – endless reports of jihadist terrorism in the mainstream media. Basic Islamic texts, including Quran, Hadith and biography. The Berber model of the Prophet Muhammad. Secondary texts such as “rely on the traveler”. Opinions of respected religious scholars, including Al – Azhar scholars. And the bloody and bloody history of Islam.
By myself, I had studied the Koran before I discovered Jihad Watch.
And
If you want anything I am in service and
How do Muslims treat their “brothers”?
“Egypt: Muslims killed by Christians because of cross tattooing, vowing to” kill more Copts ”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/01/egypt-muslims-murder-christian-for-having-cross-tattoo-vow-to-kill-more-copts
“Egypt, Jordan, Syria and the Palestinian territories are among the most dangerous places on earth for Christians”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/01/egypt-jordan-syria-and-palestinian-territories-are-among-most-dangerous-places-on-earth-for-christians
There are many and many of these stories. Why should we consider the genocide of Christians good?
omar says
Now is the time for the responses to speak
gravenimage says
Yet more from omar:
So far, you have not said any true point about Islam
I told you
You are coining the truth as Spencer did
I did not discuss any point because there is no point I said deserves discussion
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In other words, omar does not consider concerns by the “filthy Infidels” about the savagery of Islam to be deserving of discussion. And why should he? As pious Muslims see it, they have the right to rob, rape, enslave, and slaughter unbelievers–and to lie to them about it. Why would any pious Muslim want to discuss this honestly with their victims?
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The suspicions that Spencer has put forward to you, which you take as an argument and all the conversations that supposedly urge murder
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What rot–I never said that *all* conversions to Islam are forced. Some fools listen to the whitewash of Islam and believe they are converting to a “religion of peace”. Far worse, many convert to Islam because they *like* the idea of being able to rob, rape, and murder.
This is why Islam is quite popular in prisons among violent felons.
That being said, forced conversions are quite common–especially in lands that Muslims have conquered. Note that omar does not have a critical thing to say about forced conversions. *Ugh*.
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With deceptive sorry
The suspicions and all the articles put forward by Spencer on Islam in the site
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Of course–as I have already noted–I had already realized what a savage creed Islam was before I ever discovered Jihad Watch. I have learned a great deal from the erudite Robert Spencer, but this is more of a fine tuning from what I had learned previously on my own.
Moreover, much of what I have learned about Islam comes from Islam itself–from the texts of Islam, from its brutal history, from its scholars, and from its apologists.
Muslim apologists here at Jihad Watch–in the course of “defending” Islam, have affirmed its pedophilia, its slavery and sex slavery, its murder of apostates, its oppression of women, and its mass murder.
omar himself–just on this thread–has characterized the bloody Muslim conquest of half the world and the oppression of the conquered as fighting “injustice”–clearly, the “injustice” of Infidels being allowed to live free of Muslim conquest. *Ugh*.
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Representing 1%
Of the suspicions we are studying
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What is the semi-literate omar babbling about here?
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you said
In other words, no one is allowed to say anything critical of insulting Islam. Omar may believe that we are already living under Islamic law, where he is not allowed to criticize Islam, but he is wrong….
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omar just randomly quotes (and misquotes) a large part of my post here–it goes on and on–without addressing any of my points. What is the purpose of this? Was he hoping we would not notice? Or did he just forget to reply?
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Well, this is just a strange claim. Wellington is always frank and frank – he “chants” nothing here at a bad age.
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The above is an odd mash-up of my previous post and omar’s incoherent reply–between the first “frank” and “and”.
What is he trying to say here? That Wellington is somehow the wrong age to be allowed to comment on the savagery of Islam? Who knows.
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And
I still can not point to anything Robert Spencer used to.
Mohamed deceives, but he only forgives the idea.
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This is also incoherent. Is omar saying that Robert Spencer forgives the deceptions of the vicious Muhammed? Or is he saying that Muhammed would forgive Spencer for noting how deceitful he is?
Firstly, nothing in my post addressed the deception of Muhammed specifically–nor is this article about that subject. So saying that Spencer has not made a case here simply makes no sense.
Here’s Raymond Ibrahim on the subject:
https://www.meforum.org/articles/2009/islam-s-doctrines-of-deception
As for Muhammed forgiving an Infidel for speaking critically of him, this is absurd. The “Prophet” had large numbers of his critics assassinated–including condoning using deceit to get close to the victim.
This is chronicled in the Qur’an and the Hadith, as omar likely knows. He hopes we don’t know it, though.
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The Berber model of the Prophet Muhammad. Secondary texts such as “rely on the traveler”. Opinions of respected religious scholars, including Al – Azhar scholars. And the bloody and bloody history of Islam.
By myself, I had studied the Koran before I discovered Jihad Watch.
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Why is omar misquoting me here–and in such a random manner? My post is above, so it is easy to see what I *actually* said. What is he hoping to accomplish? Who knows?
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Now is the time for the responses to speak
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What does this mean? Is he hoping I will reply further to his tedious rot? That’s what I’m doing here. Or is he saying that he hopes to get some help from other Muslim apologists? Again, who knows?
omar says
you’re excused
Your experience of Islam is nil through your words
Through your words you lost your ability to understand
You are destroyed
I have interacted with many Christians who have much more experience than you do about Islam
In fact, they all run away in the end or enter Islam
omar says
Now is the time to reply
You criticize Islam as you want
Since time and people are criticized, however, many people are entering Islam
Your second point about jihad is jihad
Jihad ranks, including what is the duty of all expensive, and it is the duty of sufficient, if done by some of the assignees fell assignment of the rest, including what is desirable.
The Jihad of the soul and the Jihad of the Shaytaan are obligatory for all those who are charged. The jihad of the hypocrites, the infidels, the oppressors, the heresies and the evils is a duty to be sufficient.
Ibn al –
“If this is known, jihad is four levels: Jihad of the soul, Jihad of the Shaytaan, Jihad of the infidels, and Jihad of the hypocrites.
Self-sufficiency is also four levels:
One of them is that he should strive to learn the guidance and the religion of truth, which has no peasant and no happiness in her pension and her matrimony except by him.
The second is that he should strive to do it after his knowledge. Otherwise, the mere fact that science is without work, if it does not harm it, does not benefit it.
Third: to strive for the call to him and teach him who does not know him or else was one of those who conceal the revelation of God guidance and evidence does not benefit his knowledge nor save him from the torment of God.
Fourth: to strive for patience on the hardships of calling to God and harming creation and bear all of this to God.
If these four orders are completed, it becomes of the Lord. The salaf are unanimously agreed that the world does not deserve to be called Rabbaniyeh until he knows the truth and works and teaches it.
As for the jihad of the Shaytaan,
One of them is his struggle to push the suspicions and suspicions of the believer into the faith.
Second: his struggle to pay the corrupt desires and desires.
The first jihad is after the certainty, and the second is after the patience, the Almighty said: (We made them imams guided by our order of patience and were our verses are sure) Sajdah / 24, it is said that the imam of religion but won with patience and certainty, patience drives desires, and corrupt wills, .
As for the jihad of the kuffaar and the hypocrites,
Heart, tongue, money and self.
And the jihad of the infidels, especially by hand, and Jihad of the hypocrites, especially the tongue.
As for the jihad of the oppressors, the heresies and the evil deeds, there are three levels:
First: by hand if fate, the inability moved to the tongue, the inability to struggle with his kisses.
These are thirteen orders of jihad, and “Whoever died, did not dare, and did not commit the same invasion, died on a division of hypocrisy” – Narrated by Muslim (1910) – End quote from Zad al-Maad (3/9-9).
Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him)
Jihad is self-centered, Jihad, money and jihad by opinion and guidance, and the call for jihad as well. Jihad is the highest of the jihad.
Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (7/334, 335).
Second :
And the jihad of the infidels by hand passed through various stages according to the situation of the nation of Islam:
Ibn al –
“The first thing that the Lord inspired him to read in the name of his Lord, who created, and the first prophecy, ordered him to read in himself and did not order him then notified, and then sent down to him (O Mdathr Vnath) Vnbh by saying {read}, and sent B }.
And then warned the people of the nearby, and then warned his people, and then warned them around the Arabs, and then warned the Arabs, and then warned the world, and lived a few years after his prophecy warns of the call without fighting and tribute and ordered patience and patience and forgiveness.
Then he authorized him to emigrate, and authorized him to fight.
Then he ordered him to fight from his murderer and stop those who quit him and did not fight him.
Then he commanded him to fight the idolaters so that all religion would be for him.
Then the kuffaar with him after the command of jihad three sections: the people of peace and Hudna, and the people of war, and the people of Edema.
Zad al-Ma’ad (3/159).
Third :
Jihad by hand to disbelievers: imposed on the sufficiency:
Ibn Qudama (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
“(And the jihad imposed on enough, if the people, fell from the rest):
The meaning of the imposition of sufficiency, which if not done by enough, the sin of all people, and if done by enough, fell from other people. The discourse in its inception addresses everyone, such as the imposition of objects, and then they differ in that the imposition of sufficiency falls by some people to him, and the imposition of objects does not fall from anyone else and jihad from the duties of competencies, according to the general scholars.
“The Singer” (9/163).
Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Baz said:
“We have already shown more than once that jihad is sufficient, not imposing an eye, and all Muslims should strive in their brothers’ victory with self, money, arms, advocacy and advice. If they get out of it enough, everyone will be delivered from sin.
The Muslims in the Kingdom, Africa, Morocco and others must exert their energy, and the nearest and the nearest. If the sufficiency of a state or two or three or more fell from the rest, they are entitled to victory and support and the duty to help them against their enemy; for they are oppressed. Against the enemies of God until they win their brothers, and if they leave that they sinned, and if it is done by enough: the fall of the sin of the rest. ”
Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (7/335).
Fourthly :
The jihad of the kuffaar by hand is an obligatory duty in four cases:
1 – If the Muslim attended jihad.
2 – If the enemy came and besieged the country.
3 – If the imam is surprised by the imam, he must abstain.
4 – if he needs that person and does not block anyone except him.
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:
“Jihad is obligatory, and it is obligatory to impose an eye if the person comes to fight. This is the first of the topics in which the jihad is to be carried out, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):” O you who believe! If you have met those who disbelieve, do not turn them into tyrants. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “To take up the day of crawling from the ablutions, where he said:” Avoid the seven ablutions, and mention them to take up the day of crawling. “Agreed upon, but Allaah has excluded two cases:
The first is to be a fighter for a fight in the sense that he is going to come more forcefully.
Second: To be biased to a class so as to remind him that a group of Muslims from the other side is almost defeated and go in order to be biased to strengthen it, and this situation requires: Not to be afraid of the category that is in it, It is not permissible for him to go to the other category, so in this case he will have an eye on him that he is not allowed to leave.
The second is that if the enemy limits his country, he must fight in defense of the country, and this is similar to the one who attended the row in the fighting; because if the enemy limits the country, then the defense must be defended. The enemy will prevent the exit from this country and enter it. That is what is known, in which case the people of the country must fight in defense of their country.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Hear and obey, even if Abed Habashi orders you.” If a man orders a man to be an imam of the Muslims, because the imamate is extinct from long times. On the one hand became the general imam, and became effective, and ordered him obeyed. “End of” Al-Sharh Al-Mumti “(8/10)
omar says
Next point
You said I did not answer the points I put
I did not answer because I did not embarrass you before the Code
You feel like Islam, just like Spencer
Your hatred instead of understanding is great
In fact, I was a very religious Christian until I became convinced of Islam
And I hated him like you
Next point
You said I did not know anything about Christianity
My father was a priest in a large church and after my conversion to Islam
She studied Monday more
So I did not answer any point
The ignorance is blind
omar says
Who told you that there is a short shift for Christians?
And
Those who convert to Islam are transformed in the world because of their love for God while they love Jesus as well
Either you say about the reward in the conversion to Islam
God does not care whether Islam has entered this person or not
God forgive our sins and enter Paradise
For example, those who do not believe in Jesus are sacrificed sooner or later
Who told you that there is a short shift for Christians?
And
Those who convert to Islam are transformed in the world because of their love for God while they love Jesus as well
Either you say about the reward in the conversion to Islam
God does not care whether Islam has entered this person or not
God forgive our sins and enter Paradise
For example, those who do not believe in Jesus are slaughtered sooner or later
Christians are being raped and raped? Haha
Where is the proof of this
omar says
you say
You studied the Koran
I studied the Quran and the verses of all the books
But the difference between you and me is that you will not open your mind
It is natural that America’s religion is Islam because it will not be eradicated
Ha ha ha ha you rely on Jihad Watch
America depends on the distortion and repression of Islam
Where do you deceive Muhammad and why do not I say
Deceive Jesus
Jesus is God with you. What do you not think is not so, and do not cite the Bible?
We rely on reason and if you want to martyrdom, then I agree, it is your right
Who said I defend the terrorists?
I despise terrorists
I defend Islam
Let the terrorists go to hell
Into the depths of hell
Conclusion You rejected the discussion so as not to show ignorance about Islam
I do not want to discuss you until I win
I want to correct your concepts about Islam
gravenimage says
Let’s wade through this morass of crap from omar:
you’re excused
Your experience of Islam is nil through your words
Through your words you lost your ability to understand
You are destroyed
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I “am destroyed”? Is this another threat?
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I have interacted with many Christians who have much more experience than you do about Islam
In fact, they all run away in the end or enter Islam
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Well, *this* is an interesting admission–that all Christians who have direct experience with Islam either have to convert to Islam or to flee. This is, in fact, common experience with Christians oppressed in Muslim lands–few Muslims admit such things, though.
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Now is the time to reply
You criticize Islam as you want
Since time and people are criticized, however, many people are entering Islam
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Islam is very popular among violent felons, it is true–this is nothing to brag about, really.
And many Muslims are leaving Islam, as well. omar doesn’t want to have to think about this. Of course, under Islam this is hazardous, due to the death penalty for apostasy–but some ex-Muslims are braver in the free West.
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Your second point about jihad is jihad
Jihad ranks, including what is the duty of all expensive, and it is the duty of sufficient, if done by some of the assignees fell assignment of the rest, including what is desirable.
The Jihad of the soul and the Jihad of the Shaytaan are obligatory for all those who are charged. The jihad of the hypocrites, the infidels, the oppressors, the heresies and the evils is a duty to be sufficient.
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What is this incoherent mess about?
For one thing, omar appears to be acknowledging that there is a Jihad against lax Muslims (the “hypocrites”)–we see this all the time with violent Jihad in Dar-al-Islam, like bombings in places like Somalia and Iraq; and Jihad against the Infidels. That would be us–free people living in places like the West. The Jihad against includes such horrors as 9/11, the London Tube bombings, the attacks on Mumbai, the attacks on Paris, and many others. *Ugh*.
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Ibn al –
“If this is known, jihad is four levels: Jihad of the soul, Jihad of the Shaytaan, Jihad of the infidels, and Jihad of the hypocrites.
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There is no figure known as “Ibn al”–clearly, the semi-literate omar has left something out here. But this acknowledgement that pious Muslims must wage violent Jihad against both unbelievers and the insufficiently Islamic is still very telling.
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Self-sufficiency is also four levels…
…Third: to strive for the call to him and teach him who does not know him or else was one of those who conceal the revelation of God guidance and evidence does not benefit his knowledge nor save him from the torment of God.
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This is also very telling. This is what “Kafir” means–one who *conceals* the supposed truth of Islam. Hence, Muslims believe that even Infidels who know nothing about Islam are actually deliberately concealing it, and are hence fair game for murder. *Ugh*.
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Fourth: to strive for patience on the hardships of calling to God and harming creation and bear all of this to God.
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This refers to the hardships of waging violent Jihad. Why are Infidels supposed to respect Muslims raping and murdering us?
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As for the jihad of the Shaytaan,
One of them is his struggle to push the suspicions and suspicions of the believer into the faith.
Second: his struggle to pay the corrupt desires and desires.
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Note what pious Muslims do *not* consider to be corrupt desires–“marrying” little children, raping Infidel women and keeping them as sex slaves, beating and “Honor Killing” women and children, mass slaughtering unbelievers, and dragging rape victims to holes in the ground and stoning them to death. *Ugh*.
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As for the jihad of the kuffaar and the hypocrites,
Heart, tongue, money and self.
And the jihad of the infidels, especially by hand, and Jihad of the hypocrites, especially the tongue.
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This is what omar is doing here–although very ineptly–he is waging “Jihad of the tongue” (or pen)–in other words, Da’wa to the filthy Infidels. But there is also Jihad of money–Zakat for funding either Da’wa or violent Jihad–and Jihad of the self–in other words, personally waging violent Jihad.
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As for the jihad of the oppressors, the heresies and the evil deeds…
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Note that Muslims feel “oppressed” if any Infidels are allowed to live free of Islam–and “evil deeds” include such things as exposing the savagery of Islam.
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Then he commanded him to fight the idolaters so that all religion would be for him.
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*This* is mainstream Islam. Muslims must wage violent Jihad against Christians and other Infidels until they are all dead or have converted to Islam out of fear of being murdered.
How can omar be so clueless here as not to realize that he has revealed that Muslims violently target all Infidels. Like most apologists for Islam here, he’s not very bright.
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“The Singer” (9/163).
Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Baz said:
“We have already shown more than once that jihad is sufficient, not imposing an eye, and all Muslims should strive in their brothers’ victory with self, money, arms, advocacy and advice. If they get out of it enough, everyone will be delivered from sin.
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Yes–the only real way for Muslims to be assured of paradise under Islam is to murder Infidels, or support the murdering of Infidels. *Sickening*.
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…If the sufficiency of a state or two or three or more fell from the rest, they are entitled to victory and support and the duty to help them against their enemy; for they are oppressed. Against the enemies of God until they win their brothers, and if they leave that they sinned, and if it is done by enough: the fall of the sin of the rest. ”
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This is Muslims attacking and conquering both Infidels and lax Muslims who won’t wage violent Jihad.
con’t
gravenimage says
con’t
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Next point
You said I did not answer the points I put
I did not answer because I did not embarrass you before the Code
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Well, this is just hilarious, omar didn’t answer because he didn’t want to embarrass me? What a load of twaddle. He didn’t answer because he is incapable of doing so.
Most of the above is just cut-and-paste.
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You feel like Islam, just like Spencer
Your hatred instead of understanding is great
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The problem is that I *do* understand Islam–I find its demands that its devotees rob, rape, oppress, and murder Infidels to be appalling.
Note that omar is incapable of addressing anything Robert Spencer said, either.
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In fact, I was a very religious Christian until I became convinced of Islam
And I hated him like you
Next point
You said I did not know anything about Christianity
My father was a priest in a large church and after my conversion to Islam
She studied Monday more
So I did not answer any point
The ignorance is blind
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Given omar’s ignorance of Christianity, the idea that his father was a priest seems profoundly unlikely.
Note, also, that he doesn’t say what attracted him to Islam. Was it the sanction of raping woman and children? Was it the sanction of being allowed to keep sex slaves? Did the ability to slaughter Infidels get him excited? Was it the rejection of a loving God? Really, he doesn’t bother to say.
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Who told you that there is a short shift for Christians?
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Where to start? The Qur’an and Hadiths are full of the abuse of Christians and other unbelievers on Islamic grounds; the “Prophet” Muhammed himself robs, rapes, oppresses, and mass murders them; the Pact of Umar codifies such dhimmitude; the entire history of Islam covers the abuse of Christians and other non-Muslims, and there is not a Muslim country in the world today where Christians have equal rights.
omar brought up the example of Egypt–but Christians there are regularly attacked, kidnapped, raped, and murdered–as well as having their churches attacked and destroyed.
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And
Those who convert to Islam are transformed in the world because of their love for God while they love Jesus as well
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Of course, the Islamic “Jesus”–really, the “prophet Isa”–is *nothing* like the Jesus of the Gospels. He is not only not the Savior, he is also not a healer or a peacemaker. His main role in Islam, in fact, is to *commit genocide against Christians* in the last days. When Muslims say they “love Jesus”, what they love is his murdering Christians.
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Either you say about the reward in the conversion to Islam
God does not care whether Islam has entered this person or not
God forgive our sins and enter Paradise
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Note that the only sure way Muslims believe their sins can be forgiven is by slaughtering Infidels in violent Jihad, *Ugh*.
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For example, those who do not believe in Jesus are slaughtered sooner or later
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What he means here is that those who do not believe in the vicious Muslim “Jesus” are slaughtered–including Christians. Is omar too witless to realize what he is admitting here?
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Christians are being raped and raped? Haha
Where is the proof of this
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Now the foul omar is laughing at his coreligionists raping Christians. *Appalling*.
There is a rape epidemic of invading Muslims raping Christians and other Infidels all over the West. Many of the rapists admit that they are fair game. One of the first things the Islamic State did was codify the rape of Christian and Yezidi girls and their being used as sex slaves. In places like Egypt, Pakistan, Nigeria, and Sudan, Christian girls are regularly kidnapped and raped.
The history of Islam is rife with the rape of Christians and other unbelievers. And, again, the “Prophet” Muhammed raped Infidels, including Christians. He was given a Christian sex slave whom he raped and impregnated.
There is nothing so Islamic as Muslims raping Infidels.
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you say
You studied the Koran
I studied the Quran and the verses of all the books
But the difference between you and me is that you will not open your mind
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“Open my mind”? No, I will never consider pedophilia, rape, oppression, and mass slaughter to be good things.
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It is natural that America’s religion is Islam because it will not be eradicated
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Another threat of violent conquest. *Ugh*.
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Ha ha ha ha you rely on Jihad Watch
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As I said, I don’t. Jihad Watch is a fine source, but *everything* points to the savagery of Islam, including the texts and tenets of Islam itself.
Note that yet again omar is unable to cite a single thing that Robert Spencer or Jihad Watch has gotten wrong.
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America depends on the distortion and repression of Islam
Where do you deceive Muhammad and why do not I say
Deceive Jesus
Jesus is God with you. What do you not think is not so, and do not cite the Bible?
We rely on reason and if you want to martyrdom, then I agree, it is your right
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The reference to my wanting martyrdom here is yet another threat. *Ugh*.
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Who said I defend the terrorists?
I despise terrorists
I defend Islam
Let the terrorists go to hell
Into the depths of hell
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omar above makes it clear that Jihadists have the right to murder Infidels who have not submitted to Islam. So who are these terrorists he’s talking about?
This is just word games–he is saying that he doesn’t consider the Muslims raping and murdering us to be terrorists, but just to be good Jihadists.
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Conclusion You rejected the discussion so as not to show ignorance about Islam
I do not want to discuss you until I win
I want to correct your concepts about Islam
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Actually, omar has done *nothing* here to prove that Islam is not an oppressive and murderous creed. Instead, the fool has just confirmed that this is exactly what it is.
Like most would-be apologists for Islam, the brutal truth about Islam keeps getting in the way of his attempted whitewash.
omar says
The truth is many of the publications you have written
And they all laughed, knowing that they were all elders and scientists
You said a threat
This is in your imagination only
Second
I said that Christians are fleeing or being handed over because of the stress
Frankly, this recognition proved to me that you do not know what Islam and Muslim countries are about. I admit to all the bloggers and Spencer that you can not discuss a young child with two years of age
omar says
The third point
Yes, many Muslims are leaving
And the more you find they enter
Spencer, let’s say that Islam is linked to criminals
My friend if Spencer was right in anything I would have said so
This apostasy and apostasy of the converts, who tamper with the minds of Muslims until they change their religion
For example, I never agree to any Christian entering Islam
He appears on television and tells his story because this questions the Christian in their religion and vice versa
To kill apostasy or sedition among the people who kill them
The terrorists are not jihadists
You left what I said about Jihad and held on to something else
You are really ashamed
Jihad was a long time ago so people know Islam
Now people are tariff, there is no need for jihad
So I repeat it so terrorism goes to hell
omar says
You are told because Christians fear of being beaten
Frankly, Christians denounce Islam in every region on our Internet and appear in a program to insult Islam
Therefore, what they say about their fear is what comes out of ignorance
I repeat it to you again, you do not want to debate because of your ignorance
And this does not surprise me, because I have discussed many of you, and because of stubbornness, they are debating the debate
As for your saying about jihad and desires, this is a message that is sent without proof
Give me the evidence from the Quran and Sunnah
As for what you say, spreading this religion was the imam of the Prophet Muhammad
Now, people have a tariff
Then kill the unbelievers who are fighting us and not kill them
Then Islam is fighting, not murder
Fighting will be between two
omar says
Dear Blog has become a big loser
There is no need to show more, so I did not answer the rest of the details
Second, I will turn to Islam
Because I am not as stubborn as you, I read all this about Islam and I looked for years and chose Islam
Finally, repeat it again
You are so ignorant that you become a joke when we read many of your responses
They told me not to respond to him and let him discover the truth, but I insisted on the discussion with you until you correct your concepts
I have been studying Islam for years and every book’s book, so it is not threatened, nor does the Day of Fear overwhelm you
You have not discussed anyone like me and will not discuss every little and great knowledge about Islam and Christianity
gravenimage says
More tripe from omar:
The truth is many of the publications you have written
And they all laughed, knowing that they were all elders and scientists
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The above is pretty incoherent–but one supposes that omar is saying that he has assembled a coterie of “elders and scientists” who laughed at what I have posted above.
Note that–yet again–he is unable to point to anything that I have said that is untrue, failed to point out in what way it is supposed to be laughable, and cannot point out who these “elders and scientists” he has supposedly vetting my work with.
Just ludicrous. Does omar think that his constantly evading my points is impressing anyone?
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You said a threat
This is in your imagination only
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Actually, Muslims threaten Anti-Jihadists all the time. Robert Spencer is under constant death threat. Of course, omar has nothing critical to say about that. Bu then, why would he?
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Second
I said that Christians are fleeing or being handed over because of the stress
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How is Christians being arrested or having to flee Muslim countries a good thing? I suppose it is to pious Muslims, though…
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Frankly, this recognition proved to me that you do not know what Islam and Muslim countries are about. I admit to all the bloggers and Spencer that you can not discuss a young child with two years of age
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Just like above, omar is incapable of pointing to a single thing that I, Robert Spencer, or other Anti-Jihadists have gotten wrong here.
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The third point
Yes, many Muslims are leaving
And the more you find they enter
Spencer, let’s say that Islam is linked to criminals
My friend if Spencer was right in anything I would have said so
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Of course, raping, robbing, oppressing, and murdering Infidels is not considered criminal under Islam–just in civilized societies.
And of course omar is not going to say that Anti-Jihadists are right about anything–his whole purpose here is to enable Jihad.
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This apostasy and apostasy of the converts, who tamper with the minds of Muslims until they change their religion
For example, I never agree to any Christian entering Islam
He appears on television and tells his story because this questions the Christian in their religion and vice versa
To kill apostasy or sedition among the people who kill them
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In other words, murdering apostates is fine because they may encourage thoughtful Muslims to leave their foul creed. *Ugh*.
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The terrorists are not jihadists
You left what I said about Jihad and held on to something else
You are really ashamed
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No–I’m not ashamed about exposing the savagery of Jihad. Why should I be? And what is omar’s distinction between Jihadists and Jihad terrorists? Of course, this is a distinction without a difference.
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Jihad was a long time ago so people know Islam
Now people are tariff, there is no need for jihad
So I repeat it so terrorism goes to hell
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There is, of course, no time limit on Jihad. Those Muslims who wage violent Jihad today do it on the same basis–and often using the same techniques–as was done historically, all the way back to the warlord “Prophet” Muhammed himself.
Besides, if omar *really* thought that it was wrong for Muslims to wage violent Jihad against the Infidels today, he would be taking it up with his own coreligionists, rather than pestering the good Anti-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch.
Yet more:
You are told because Christians fear of being beaten
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Christians are beaten–and raped, and murdered–all the time by Muslims. Yes, this generates fear–because it is intended to. Is omar saying that Christians should *welcome* being beaten by Muslims? *Ugh*.
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Frankly, Christians denounce Islam in every region on our Internet and appear in a program to insult Islam
Therefore, what they say about their fear is what comes out of ignorance
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There are reports of attacks on Christians by Muslims all the time–including from Islamic sources. Here’s just one from Al Jazeera:
“Recent attacks on Egypt’s Christians”
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2017/05/attacks-egypt-christians-170526184644330.html
The implication that these attacks do not happen is, of course, utterly false.
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I repeat it to you again, you do not want to debate because of your ignorance
And this does not surprise me, because I have discussed many of you, and because of stubbornness, they are debating the debate
As for your saying about jihad and desires, this is a message that is sent without proof
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I have presented plenty of proof–it is omar who does not want to address this.
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Give me the evidence from the Quran and Sunnah
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OK:
Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you…
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. [note: Christians are accused of “joining companions with Allah”, since Muslims do not understand the concept of the Trinity–GI]
Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”
Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ”
Quran (8:12) – “(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels… “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah” [this makes it clear that *all* non-Muslims are targets–GI]
Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”
Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”
Really, I’ve just scratched the surface with the above–there are many more such verses–but several things are clear. One, that Jihad has no time limit on it. Then, that the best Muslims are those who wage violent Jihad. Then, that *all* Infidels are targets.
And now for some Hadith:
Sahih Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Sahih Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”
Sahih Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
Sahih Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”
Sahih Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause.
Sahih Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’
Sahih Bukhari (52:44) – A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.”
Sahih Muslim (19:4294) – “Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war… When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”
Sahih Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'”
There are many more–but the point is clear. Muslims are to wage violent Jihad against any who do not submit to Islam. It was like this in the “Prophet’s” time, like this throughout history, and is like this today.
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As for what you say, spreading this religion was the imam of the Prophet Muhammad
Now, people have a tariff
Then kill the unbelievers who are fighting us and not kill them
Then Islam is fighting, not murder
Fighting will be between two
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In other words, slaughtering Infidels is just fine–just that pious Muslims don’t consider it murder, because Infidels who do not submit to Islam deserve to be butchered. *Ugh*.
gravenimage says
Yet more from omar, which posted while I was replying to his last load of Taqiyya:
Dear Blog has become a big loser
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“Loser” in Islam refers to those who have not converted to Islam, and are fair game to murder.
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There is no need to show more, so I did not answer the rest of the details
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In other words, omar was incapable of doing so.
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Second, I will turn to Islam
Because I am not as stubborn as you, I read all this about Islam and I looked for years and chose Islam
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By “stubborn” omar means that I have not caved to Muslim threats and converted to Islam.
And omar has said several times now that he chose Islam–but he has never said why, although I have asked him. Was it the sanction to rape woman and children? The chance to murder Infidels? It seems to have been more than just fear on his part–he is a true believer of Islamic brutality.
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Finally, repeat it again
You are so ignorant that you become a joke when we read many of your responses
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Really, if I were so ignorant, it would be quite simple for omar to expose my errors–but he has been unable to point to a single thing that I have gotten wrong.
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They told me not to respond to him and let him discover the truth, but I insisted on the discussion with you until you correct your concepts
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The above is pretty schizophrenic. Who is the “they” referred to here? The board of “elders and scientists” he claims he has vetted all my posts with? And no, omar has not corrected any of my concepts, because they *are* correct.
Like most pious Muslims, omar is incapable of rational argument, and so falls back on obfuscation, insults, and threats.
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I have been studying Islam for years and every book’s book, so it is not threatened, nor does the Day of Fear overwhelm you
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omar may indeed have been studying the savagery of Islam for years–but he cannot rationally defend any of it. But then, Muslims don’t believe that they have to.
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You have not discussed anyone like me and will not discuss every little and great knowledge about Islam and Christianity
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Well, this is just hilarious. Far from not having “discussed anyone like [him]”, omar is very representative of the assorted apologists for Islam who show up at Jihad Watch on a pretty regular basis–who are not only obviously unable to show that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’, but who constantly accidentally let slip just how violent Islam actually is.
For instance, just on this thread omar has accidentally admitted that apostates can be murdered, and that Muslims can attack and conquer any people who have not submitted to Islam.
omar says
You became a joke
I lost before me
What you tease about my inability to respond
Murder and invasion and did not even understand the meaning of jihad
You actually follow Spencer’s most definite loser
Everything that you have said is not true. You are procrastinating so that you do not discuss me
You lie to everyone when you say I can not
Reply your mind filled with gaps unfortunately and I will travel after days If you want to discuss Vkberni
All the verses and the Hadiths that I have mentioned will be mentioned in it. If I lose, I promise that I will go to the blog and announce my defeat.
Because all these comments have no benefit
And printed tomorrow will not be able to reply, but I am brought to my travel and I have no time to speak with a man ignorant
But Sprague took time to discuss but the multitude of useless comments
I have no time and you will argue forever so you will represent Spencer and I will represent Islam
Important Note
You are supposed to be invited to the discussion because you have studied and studied Islam and you have all Spencer’s books or read them
I am just a student of Islam and the advantage is that you know everything about jihad, articles and verses, and I will talk about it but I do not have time for comments
So I say you have become a joke in the blog
When I enter Christian churches, we are called immediately to debate to win and declare the defeat of Islam, but you are a different person if you read a child this speech will laugh what you write
So do not be less threatening to your brothers in Christianity do this with me and invite me to the discussion immediately without speaking to them with a letter and eventually abolish socialism such as the Forum of the Arab Church Satark Tathrr
Killing, threatening, not responding, losing, defeating, Jihad and empty words until you respond to me in the debate and know that you will be rejected
She would put a thousand articles and comments on me, and I would not answer and argue, and I would agree with him
If you encounter me, you will be defeated in a minute
Come on as much as you do but you have become a joke
I swear that you do not make excuses like you
gravenimage says
Well, at this point omar has both revealed much of the ugliness of Islam, as well as his complete inability to defend this vicious creed to civilized people.
His problem, of course, is not that I don’t understand Jihad, but that I understand it all too well.
Probably his most ludicrous assertion is that everything I have said is untrue–without, of course, being able to point that a single thing that is not factual.
For instance, he demanded that I cite the Qur’an and Hadith–and when I did so, at some length, was unable to defend any of these ugly texts.
omar is also, of course, mistaken in thinking that my purpose here is to defeat him–he is not apt to change his adherence to his barbaric creed. My purpose here is to expose that barbarism for any readers interested here.
His claim that I am “representing Spencer” is also absurd. I respect Robert Spencer greatly, but I do no speak for him–nor does this knowledgeable and erudite scholar need anyone to speak for him.
But I do stand for the civilized world threatened by Islam, and I stand with any who act to defend it.
omar says
The last thing that I will gather, because I will travel, I will give you witness before all those in the mortar, and Spencer himself
I defend and refute all that you wrote during the discussion
For I have no time
And your escape means that you do not agree wait for your reply
And I will set everything aside and pledge you before the whole world
Small discussion
Believe me, if Islam were wrong, I would not have converted from Christianity
gravenimage says
omar wrote:
The last thing that I will gather, because I will travel, I will give you witness before all those in the mortar, and Spencer himself
I defend and refute all that you wrote during the discussion
For I have no time
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Yeah, I’ll be waiting for *that* with bated breath…sarc/off
Odd that omar was unable to refute a single thing I said when he *did* have time…
More:
Believe me, if Islam were wrong, I would not have converted from Christianity
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Assuming that omar is a convert to Islam from Christianity–a fairly iffy assertion given how little he knows about Christianity–all this means is that he doesn’t consider any of the unspeakable horrors of Islam to be wrong. All that does is show the deplorable state of his his moral sense. *Ugh*.
omar says
If you agree, write in Arabic this sentence or move it as it is
منتدى اتباع المرسلين
You will find English
above
Because I live in Egypt
Log in and go to your own queries and messages
And write, you want dialogue and I discuss you there
There you will know about Islam unless you know it in your life
Since there is a timing difference between me and you, wait for the answer from me and I will give you everything you say about the verses as I mentioned
You have talked to Muslims so I will be happy with this scientific discussion between you and me, this is dialogue, not war
And remember that you should have invited me to the discussion since I write on an American site and I can not say that I can not deduce what you have, so why should I invite you to the discussion and declare that the entire blog
omar says
go to
االاستفسارات ولأسئلة
After you sign in and you are natural in English you will find me there all because I am in an Arabic site
Because in Egypt they teach us true Islam, and as you know, there is Azhar, so if you want to know Islam, take it
From us and I beg you to accept, for I will travel very soon
omar says
Click on
اضافة موضوع جديد
Write what you want and ask for a dialogue so that I know that you are
write in English
gravenimage says
omar wrote:
If you agree, write in Arabic this sentence or move it as it is
منتدى اتباع المرسلين
You will find English
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Why would I want to give my legal name, email, and other contact information to some unnamed Arabic-language forum? I am neither stupid nor suicidal; omar appears to believe that I am both.
More:
above
Because I live in Egypt
Log in and go to your own queries and messages
And write, you want dialogue and I discuss you there
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Why would I have any desire to do that? I’m exposing omar’s bs for for other Anti-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch.
More:
There you will know about Islam unless you know it in your life
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I’ve already lost three people I’ve known to Islam–two to Jihadists at Your Black Muslim Bakery, one to Jihadists in Libya, as well as having had some of my artwork destroyed by them. Why in God’s name would I want more of the same? *Ugh*.
More:
You have talked to Muslims so I will be happy with this scientific discussion between you and me, this is dialogue, not war
And remember that you should have invited me to the discussion since I write on an American site and I can not say that I can not deduce what you have, so why should I invite you to the discussion and declare that the entire blog
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I did not have to invite omar to post at Jihad Watch–the comments section is open to everyone. Moreover, he has–obviously–been posting here at length.
More:
Because in Egypt they teach us true Islam, and as you know, there is Azhar, so if you want to know Islam, take it
From us and I beg you to accept, for I will travel very soon
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Of course they teach true Islam in Egypt; one can see that in the horrifying rates of FGM, the increasing violence against Christian Copts, and crushing of freedom of speech there:
“Egypt: Atheist blogger arrested for criticizing Islam”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/egypt-atheist-blogger-arrested-for-criticizing-islam
omar doesn’t say why we should consider any of these to be good things.
As for Al Azhar, this is indeed the seat of orthodox Sunni scholarship. They have been enraged over calls to remove violent verses from the Qur’an, have similarly condemned calls for Islam to become less violently antisemitic, have refused to declare the Islamic State apostate, and have affirmed that Muslims can rape Infidels and keep them as sex slaves:
“Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/female-al-azhar-prof-allah-allows-muslims-to-rape-non-muslim-women
Again, no indication of why we should consider these to be good things.
Keys says
And why should I believe you, Omar, when your Allah brags about being the greatest of deceivers, and Allah’s “greatest” prophet led a horrific life ?
I can think of no reason to trust anything you say – you who value being a Muslim.
I see no way Islam can be essentially “redeemed” given its history, its sacred writings, and its required jihad until the whole world is Mohammadan through terror and submission.
omar says
You did not respond
Just shut the mind
Keys says
Omar, I responded to your statement of today at 12:35 pm, not your 2:10 statement.
You have not answered my question of why I, or any kafir, should trust you.
There are many “good” muslims, but Islam is not good, nor was Mohammad, so it is difficult to trust a “good” person who claims to follow an evil creed, whose author is proud to be the greatest of deceivers.
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Omar, at 2:49 you said:
“I ask God every day about the true religion
He guided me to Islam
I am mentally unstable
I think ….. “
If you are asking this of God everyday, you must have some “dissonance” within you about Islam.
If you pray to the God who is the greatest of deceivers, which “true religion” do you think “that God” will lead you to ?
gravenimage says
Good points, Keys.
gravenimage says
You are quite right about Muslims and their sneering dismissal of women, Jay Boo. Of course, omar also said that Wellington was somehow the ‘wrong age’ to be allowed to speak about Islam.
I think he’d just like it if we all shut up.
omar says
I ask God every day about the true religion
He guided me to Islam
I am mentally unstable
I think
If Christianity was true, I would follow it immediately
I know why you do not trust me because Spencer cheated you
gravenimage says
One need not listen to Robert Spencer in order to have a problem with Islam–and with pious Muslims raping, robbing, and slaughtering Infidels as taught in the Qur’an, Hadiths, and Sira.
omar says
I was skeptical about everything in Islam and I asked God
Saying Islam and Christianity after all this Islam
And what this has to do with Islam
Hinduism when he wants to know the true religion
The Lord will ask in the heavens, and I will do that
Georg says
However Bild cited sources at the publisher as saying that the new book could “seize on and amplify anti-Islam sentiments”….
“Anti-Islam sentiments” are the fault of the Koran; and blame for that lies with its author, not the reader.
David says
Georg, I think we need to “amplify anti-Islam sentiments”
Halal Bacon says
anything to do with mad cow merkel?
Muhammed Jacob says
YOU ARE ALL WRONG!
The REAL enemy in Europe and America is the unholy trinity – Bilderberg group – CFR – Trilateral commission. These are the three groups who are using Muslim migrants to destroy National Sovereignty.
You only see the Muslim, but you don’t see the Kissinger and Soros fifth column. You need to stop reacting and study the cause of the problem. The good news is Peter Sutherland is dead. This bastard was of of their storm-troopers and was behind putting a sodomite in charge of Ireland, Leo “Vera” Veraker.
All over Europe the unholy trinity are putting their people into power and keeping them there, because they control the banks and the media.
gravenimage says
I see that the appalling “Muhammed Jacob” is demanding that we ignore Jihad and the threat of Islam again. No surprise there–he has done this many times before.
warren raymond says
There’s a whole army of Peter Sutherland ‘s out there. They seem to be multiplying by the day.
How did they gain almost unfettered powers to destroy the civilised world and everything in it?
The European says
Censorship is a bad thing, but self-censorship is even worse. Censorship which has been imposed from without will disappear when the censor is gone, but self-imposed censorship won’t vanish so easily. It’s like a pair of scissors inside your brain, destroying free thinking and critical thought,. If publishing companies like Random House engage in self-censorship, I fear for their mental health.
Self-censorship is the token of a slave-like mind. Good slaves know the minds of their masters; they engage in acts o obedience, even before their masters give an order, they are anticipating his will.
Publishing houses like Random House are acting the same way, and their masters are political correctness and Islam.
paul budrunas says
I fear for the 1st Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights if this sort of crap continues. Americans, stand up for your Rights and fight against this garbage that’s intended to eventually bring down this great nation!
eduardo odraude says
Self-censorship about Islam — at least by public figures speaking in their own name — is very, very widespread. See, for example, this:
http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/are-lights-going-out.html
The self-censorship, because it is often invisible or very quiet, warps the public debate, because for bystanders unaware of the self-censorship, the impression develops that virtually all public figures think Islam is a religion of peace — when in reality, it’s just that they are the only ones who speak up, because their view costs them nothing to promote. They won’t get a permanent target on their backs. Those in the news media who promote the religion of peace meme and who know that the other side of the debate is silenced by terror should be profoundly ashamed. If you know it is not a level-playing field for the debate, and you act like it is and you promote the view that costs nothing to promote — then you deserve only contempt. And if you don’t believe that terror is intimidating many many into self-censorship, just read the link I posted, which leads to numerous news stories about public figures admitting they self-censor about Islam due to terror.
Imran Farooq, Birmingham, UK says
Stop this nonsense against Islam and Mullah. Islam is greatest religion in the world.
eduardo odraude says
If you knew the core Islamic texts, would you still say that Imran?
http://www.quotingislam.blogspot.com
gravenimage says
Imran Farooq, Birmingham, UK wrote:
Stop this nonsense against Islam and Mullah. Islam is greatest religion in the world.
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This is only true if you consider rape, oppression, slavery, and mass murder to be “great”. *Ugh*.
Rock says
Are any of his books published in English?
gravenimage says
All of Robert Spencer’s books are available in English.
gravenimage says
Rock, I’m sorry–obviously, you were asking about Thilo Sarrazin.
So far, I can only find his work in German–and one translation in French. I hope he is able to find another English-language publisher.
James Lincoln says
The unbelievers intense fear of Islam is the primary reason that it has gained so much traction in the West.
Interestingly, the unbelievers will, for the most part, deny this fear publicly.
Robin Angelini says
Good call by the publisher. Nobody should have to die to defend free speech when even law enforcement all over the civilized west hides from their responsibilities. People who protest against sharia law encroachment into civilized society are braver than I can imagine. I’m sorry, I can’t join you in your fight. I have a family. I have a good job. And I’m scared.
gravenimage says
Even posting here is taking part in the fight in a small way, Robin. Do what you can.
And if everyone does nothing, then neither our families or our jobs will be safe.
gravenimage says
Random House axes book critical of the Qur’an because it might “amplify anti-Islam sentiments”
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What utter claptrap. Just more dhimmitude.
Battle says
Me hopes Thilo Sarrazin sues the living daylights and 7734 out of the Random House / Bertelsmann Publishing Group dastards for not only damages but also legal fees. (Just like the Colorado cake bakery.) (Just like The Wandering Dago food truck.)
D J says
I suppose this leaves the hunorous possibility that Random House is trying to save the world from global warming by preventing widespread book burning by muslims!
The Satanic Verses was a fine start.
duh swami says
All religions are corrupt all scripture is written to support the corruption…The saving grace of the Bible is the ‘Supreme Commandment’, if you understand and practice that you don’t need the rest of the book…Islam has no saving graces, zip-nada…
UltraSkeptic says
I think the lesson is clear: violence wins. If the West doesn’t respond with equal commitment, our kids are doomed to live under Mohammedan dominion. Gradually Islam will take over the world as the threat of violence will lead folks to not object to any actions by Muslims, but the criticisms of all others will continue apace. So eventually even democracies will be run by Muslims for fear that objecting to them could be lethal.
Logic@Reason says
When “death” is the response to criticism, mockery, and rebuke….case closed.
About as totalitarian as it gets.
Vicky says
Wow, islam and sharia are seeping into corporate America at an alarming pace. It’s sickening to see one time sane men of business, fearfully protect and promote the savage brutal nightmare of islam.
David says
How about going to Robert Spencer’s publisher?
Janette Wells says
Is Omar deranged? Fairly new to this column and, as I am not a regular, his comments have the whiff of wildness and “thee protest too much”.
gravenimage says
Hi, Janette, and welcome to Jihad Watch!
Most posters here are staunch Anti-Jihadists, and many of them are *very* knowledgeable about Islam. I have learned almost as much from other posters as I have from Robert Spencer and other JW contributors.
But also–unsurprisingly–Jihad Watch also attracts a lot of Muslim apologists. These tend to fall into several categories–including the ‘you are all racists if you say anything critical of Islam’ category, the gloating ‘Islam will win and we will murder you all and rape your daughters’ category, and–probably the most common–the ‘you are all wrong about Islam because Robert Spencer is lying to you’ category. omar clearly falls into the latter.
Like so many of these apologists, though, he actually winds up inadvertently revealing much of the savagery of Islam. For instance, he reveals Islam’s mandate to conquer, above.
And here, he reveals Islam’s savage hatred of the Jews:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/07/president-of-french-council-of-the-muslim-faith-claims-sermon-calling-for-killing-jews-was-taken-out-of-context#comment-1938042
omar is a new troll–this is the first thread he has shown up on. But there are others here.
UNCLE VLADDI says
And this isn’t even the first time RANSOM HOUSE has caved to Submission to fear of pain (islam)!
Didn’t some girl once write a book about Aiyesha, (in a favorable way) which the cowards banned?
gravenimage says
You are quite right, Uncle Vladdie. I had forgotten that the “Jewel of Medina” was to be published at Random House:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/aug/09/fiction.terrorism
And this book was actually fawning in its depictions of Islam and the “Prophet”–but Random House was still concerned about offending some Muslims.
Nor was Random House wrong–the book’s British publisher was firebombed in 2008. They then dropped the book, as well.
I think it was finally published by Beaufort Books.
Giacomo Latta says
Random House head honcho, you are amplifying anti-anti-Islam sentiments with me, buddy boy. See if I ever buy another of your books.
Vernon Moyse says
“How Islam Hampers Progress and Threatens Society”could be published as an Ebook with minimum effort if the author @ThiloSarrazin so wished. He should do that and then the logjam of publishing barricades would collapse. Others have done so, including Australian @PeterTownsendAU and @RaheemKassam whose critiques of #Islam are available via Amazon.com.