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Somalia: Father defends FGM after his daughter dies from it, can’t be criminalized because people think it’s Islamic

Jul 23, 2018 11:04 am By Robert Spencer

“Efforts to criminalise FGM in Somalia have been stalled by politicians, who fear it will alienate voters who believe it is a religious requirement.”

This is noteworthy. We are constantly told by the establishment media, and even by anti-FGM campaigners in the U.S., that the practice has nothing to do with Islam. Those who insist on this point have never explained why, if it isn’t an Islamic requirement, so many Muslims have gotten the idea that it is. And unless and until they admit that a massive number of Muslims do believe that FGM is Islamic, their efforts to stamp it out are foredoomed to failure, because all their warnings about it being unsafe and inhuman will never trump it being commanded by Muhammad.

FGM is mandated in Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64

Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75

“Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.’” — Abu Dawud 41:5251

That hadith is classified as weak, but this one is classified as sahih (reliable): “Aishah narrated: ‘When the circumcised meets the circumcised, then indeed Ghusl is required. Myself and Allah’s Messenger did that, so we performed Ghusl.'” — Jami` at-Tirmidhi 108

If Muhammad had the genitals of his favorite wife, Aisha, mutilated, that is a strong endorsement of the practice from the man who is an “excellent example” (Qur’an 33:21) for Muslims.

“Somali father defends FGM after daughter, 10, dies,” BBC, July 22, 2018 (thanks to Damian):

The father of a 10-year-old girl who died after undergoing female genital mutilation (FGM) in Somalia has defended the practice.

Dahir Nur’s daughter died of blood loss on 17 July, two days after being taken to a traditional circumciser.

But he told Voice of America (VOA) “people in the area are content” with FGM even considering the dangers, adding it is the country’s “culture”.

According to Unicef, 98% of girls and women in Somalia have undergone FGM.

This is despite Somalia’s constitution prohibiting – although not outlawing – the practice, which involves the partial or total removal of the female external genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons and can cause profound health problems.

Dr Abdirahman Omar Hassan, director of Hanano hospital in the city of Dhusamareb, told VoA he had never seen “anyone who was mutilated like that in my life”.

Dr Hassan, who was on the team who tried to save the girl, also revealed she had caught tetanus, most likely from the unsterilised equipment used during the original procedure.

But Mr Nur said he did not want to pursue charges, and held no one to blame for his daughter’s death….

Efforts to criminalise FGM in Somalia have been stalled by politicians, who fear it will alienate voters who believe it is a religious requirement, while girls who have not undergone it are reportedly taunted for not being cut.

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  1. mike9a says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 11:12 am

    “The father of a 10-year-old girl who died after undergoing female genital mutilation (FGM) in Somalia has defended the practice.”

    THIS IS BEYOND ANY NORMAL BRAIN!

    • Westman says

      Jul 23, 2018 at 11:34 am

      To me it shows that women, under Somalia’s Islam, are but beasts of burden with little intrinsic value as children; easily replaceable. Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote a book about her experience as a Muslim female in Somalia.

      • Carolyne says

        Jul 24, 2018 at 7:45 pm

        IMO Somalis are the worst of the worst, and when speaking of being the worst of Islam that is unbelievably bad. They really are the ugliest of beings and the most inhumane of the world.

        • Carol the 1st says

          Jul 26, 2018 at 2:01 am

          And yet a Somalian like Ayaan Hirsi Ali can emerge out of the morass!

          In her book “Infidel” she describes the shaming that takes place and how she, as an uncircumcised female, was jeered at as “kinterleey”. In the excerpt below this incident is followed by her description of the circumcision of she and her sister. She says her sister was “never the same”. She then describes her father’s effort to marry her off to a first cousin,

          https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/cruellest-cut-in-the-name-of-islam/news-story/d74307204bde1901aa0ffcbc1fb77a03?sv=670db9b4113dde03fcde600715ed28fc

    • balam says

      Jul 23, 2018 at 11:34 am

      Mike: The Muslims do not have the NORMAL BRAIN.Thanks to Islam.

    • Halal Bacon says

      Jul 23, 2018 at 2:56 pm

      yes, we are talking low IQ third world order

    • Susan B says

      Jul 23, 2018 at 6:52 pm

      Muslims don’t have normal brains.

      • Carolyne says

        Jul 24, 2018 at 7:46 pm

        Muslims don’t have brains.

    • BC says

      Jul 24, 2018 at 10:20 am

      People may like to read Richard Dawkin’s piece on Gerin Oil* published in free Inquiry Dec 2003.
      It is an anagram!

      • BC says

        Jul 24, 2018 at 10:21 am

        Sorry missed off the second *

        • Carolyne says

          Jul 24, 2018 at 7:41 pm

          What is “Ghusl? Never saw that word before.

        • KJW says

          Jul 24, 2018 at 11:11 pm

          Ghusl is ritual washing. It’s the full body ritual purification not merely the hands or feet. You do it before prayers after you’ve had sex. ejaculation or a menstrual cycle.

          Also, when you do out you wash one side of your body first…there’s a procedure. I forgot the order. I think Islam continues for people not just out of fear but the rituals since there’s not much spiritual going on otherwise.

    • J D S says

      Jul 24, 2018 at 11:05 pm

      FGM..More stupidity in Islam…plenty to go around.

  2. Paul says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 11:26 am

    Medieval minds in the 2ist century. Just get rid of them.

    Paul

    • john spielman says

      Jul 23, 2018 at 11:46 am

      it is NOT medieval it is from even before that – the 7th century AD- the age of the Barbarians

      • revereridesagain says

        Jul 23, 2018 at 3:57 pm

        The Muslim conquest and destruction of the Classical Greco-Roman Mediterranean world and the beginning of the Dark Ages.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 23, 2018 at 10:26 pm

          +1

  3. balam says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 11:26 am

    Every thing EVIL is permissible in Islam.

  4. Linda says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 11:28 am

    The West says, “We know you have practices that a entirely contrary to every idea we hold dear, but, what the heck! Come on in. Welcome aboard!”

    • Linda says

      Jul 23, 2018 at 11:42 am

      Sorry. “a” should be “are”

    • Berengaria says

      Jul 23, 2018 at 1:53 pm

      Thank you Linda & you are right, America once held Slavery & Polygamy to be OUTLAWED, but since Islam Approves of Both, their Culture Tops Western Civilization. VOILA, Muslim slaves are called Paid Servants & Multi Wives are called In-Laws, NO HARM DONE!
      But, the Bloody Somalians in America’s Minnesota & Maine are attempting to try to legalize FGM as an Elective Surgery.
      Sad to say, Many Sets of Laws are now accepted in our Country for the last 25 years, according to the Culture of the Invading Mobs.

  5. balam says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 11:44 am

    If Male and Female circumcision were obligatory in Islam then can somebody clarify to me if Mohammad-the Prophet of Islam and Aisha were circumcised? Any EVIDENCE to confirm that ?

  6. elee says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 12:02 pm

    A Muslim martyr.

    Cortez: Well said! I wish more people heard you.

  7. duh swami says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    A ‘religious requirement’ that causes pain, bleeding, infection and death?
    Swell religion you got there Abu…

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jul 26, 2018 at 2:16 am

      In Islam’s case we can’t even say “It’s the thought that counts” or “It’s the feeling that counts: as both seem “out to lunch”.

  8. Walter Sieruk says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    On the subject of the cruel, brutal and vicious Islamic tradition of female butchery which some Muslims so inappropriately call “female circumcision.” This heinous Islamic custom of misogyny has been exposed in the book by Brigitte Gabriel which is entitled THEY MUST BE STOPPED. For on page 178 it reveals to the reader that “One of the most devastating practices to young girls of the Islamic world is female genital mutilation. Young girls have their clitoris removed without anesthesia…”
    Indeed, they must be stopped !

  9. Troybeam says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 9:53 pm

    Just to clear this up in the Koran/sharia law: This is Islam & it’s demanded.
    http://www.answering-islam.org/index.html
    Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female)
    by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male,
    but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris
    (this is called HufaaD). {bold emphasis ours}

    The Arabic word bazr does not mean “prepuce of the clitoris”, it means the clitoris itself (cf. the entry in the Arabic-English Dictionary). The deceptive translation by Nuh Hah Mim Keller, made for Western consumption, obscures the Shafi’i law, given by ‘Umdat al-Salik, that circumcision of girls by excision of the clitoris is mandatory. This particular form of female circumcision is widely practiced in Egypt, where the Shafi’i school of Sunni law is followed.
    In this book, in the section titled “THE BODY”, we find on page 59 the following entry:
    Nuh Hah Mim Keller’s Translation Arabic Original

    e4.3 Circumcision is obligatory (O: for both men and women. For men it consists of removing the prepuce from the penis, and for women, removing the prepuce (Ar. Bazr) of the clitoris (n: not the clitoris itself, as some mistakenly assert). (A: Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the husband.)”

  10. gravenimage says

    Jul 23, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    Somalia: Father defends FGM after his daughter dies from it, can’t be criminalized because people think it’s Islamic
    ……………….

    Bloody thug. Not surprised, though.

  11. Peter WF says

    Jul 24, 2018 at 3:59 am

    Jews could simply take the lead on this by stopping male circumcision.

    If they did that what could the muzzies do? They would look so bad.

    What would you call an adult male taking a baby’s penis in his mouth? A pedophile.

    It is not religious. Never was.

    • Carol the 1st says

      Jul 26, 2018 at 2:32 am

      Peter WF…Bad things happened to uncircumcised males in dry climates and it was known how much more unpleasant the procedure was if performed after babyhood.
      It seems it was also believed that sucking blood away from the wound could help prevent clotting etc. You seem to suggest perverse motivations which is quite absurd.

  12. Kay says

    Jul 24, 2018 at 8:16 am

    This horrible practice of mutilating girls’ genitals with the resulting health problems has been going on for a long time in places like Somalia. We just didn’t have to worry about it because we weren’t bringing the practice into our countries and most people here didn’t know about it.
    I was horrified when I heard about it some decades ago and remember respecting the medical personnel who would volunteer to go repair the young ladies who had become outcasts due to urine leakage caused by their earlier mutilation.
    More recently when I heard we were taking refugees from Somalia, my first thought was, “They’re from that place where they do that horrible thing to girls. And now will we finally act to stop it?”
    (But no, we have idiots who start equating the mutilation of girls with circumcision of penises. So somehow we have stupid debates and are unexplicably blind to the horror of mutilation.)

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