Here in a nutshell is why hearts-and-minds initiatives will never succeed in winning over Muslim countries as reliable long-term allies. As I show in my new book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, the jihad imperative to wage war against unbelievers is not canceled by the friendliness or helpfulness of those unbelievers.
“Act of betrayal: Manchester bomber was rescued by the Royal Navy from Libyan warzone and evacuated back to Britain – three years before he slaughtered 22 people at a pop concert,” by Larisa Brown, Daily Mail, July 30, 2018
The Manchester suicide bomber was rescued by the Navy from war-torn Libya three years before his pop concert atrocity, the Mail reveals today.
HMS Enterprise plucked Salman Abedi, then 19, from the Libyan coast and took him to Malta for a flight home to Britain in August 2014.
Last May he set off a bomb in Manchester Arena that killed 22, including seven children.
Abedi’s younger brother, Hashem, who is in jail in Tripoli facing trial over the attack, was also rescued by HMS Enterprise.
The pair had been caught up in fighting in Libya and were among more than 100 British citizens taken to safety.
Photographs released by Ministry of Defence officials at the time showed the group being brought on board the Navy vessel.
A Whitehall source said: ‘For this man to have committed such an atrocity on UK soil after we rescued him from Libya was an act of utter betrayal.’
The revelation will enrage families who lost loved ones in Abedi’s despicable attack. It is also likely to raise fresh fears over possible intelligence failures.
Abedi was known to the security services and was being monitored at the time of his trip to Libya. However, just one month prior to his rescue, MI5 closed his case as a result of mistaken identity.
The presence of the Abedi brothers among the 110 evacuees from Libya in 2014 was confirmed by family friends in Libya. One said: ‘They were sent together by the Royal Navy to Malta.’
Sources in London also confirmed Salman was on HMS Enterprise.
After being dropped off in Malta, Salman and his 21-year-old brother – the British-born sons of Libyan migrants – flew back to Manchester where they were living at the time.
Salman, who was on a gap year from Manchester College, went on to study business management at Salford University, before dropping out and descending into a fanatical spiral that culminated in last year’s suicide bombing at the age of 22.
The Abedi brothers shuttled back and forth between Manchester and Tripoli because their parents – Ramadan and Samia – had returned to Libya.
Ramadan is thought to have gone back in time for the 2011 revolution, allegedly fighting against the Gaddafi regime with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group.
It is not certain whether the two brothers were with their father at the time of the revolution or instead in neighbouring Tunisia.
But they were on holiday in Libya in August 2014 when civil war fighting broke out and British officials offered to evacuate UK citizens.
The Royal Navy was tasked with picking them up, along with other British nationals, on a list provided to sailors.
By that time, the Foreign Office had already changed its official travel advice to warn Britons in Libya to ‘leave immediately by commercial means’ because of the fighting around Tripoli and the wider instability nationwide.
The advice said those unable to leave independently could seek ‘assisted departure’.
Senior security sources stressed they did not believe Abedi had been radicalised at the time of the Royal Navy rescue. He later became brainwashed after watching bomb-making videos on Google-owned YouTube and terror material on other internet sites, they believe.
A senior source told the Mail: ‘He was a British citizen so it was our job to safeguard him. Salman was one of many people in that mix and we absolutely had to evacuate him.
‘He was not a threat at the time and it was in a very different context.’
Other sources have claimed Abedi was on the front line and was hospitalised fighting alongside jihadis in Ajdabiya, eastern Libya….
Jay says
Let’s face it, England is LOST! How tragic. Winston Churchill is rolling over in his grave today as he watches the destruction of England and Europe, and their soverignity and their identities! Pm Teresa May is part of the problem allowing this invasion amd destruction of England to take place on her watch!!
I thank the lord everyday Pres Trump wants to protect the USA borders and our soverignity and our identity! MAGA and safe! ????????????
mortimer says
UK is IMPORTING TERRORISTS like Salman Abedi.
No one in UK is actually DERADICALIZING or DEPROGRAMMING the jihadists by teaching them the errors, absurdities and contradictions within the Islamic source texts.
Jihad Watch is a form of deprogramming, if Muslims read it daily. There are many other deprogrammers such as Sam Shamoun, Brother Ishmail, David Wood, Hamid Abdel Samad, Bill Warner and the Apostate Prophet.
A steady diet of such DEPROGRAMMING VIDEOS and READING MATERIAL will take jihadists right out of Islam and consequently, they will be a danger to no one.
christianblood says
(…The Royal Navy rescued him. He showed his gratitude by murdering 22 in jihad massacre in the UK…)
That is true and the question is will the satanic, pro-ISIS, Anti-Christ globalists that are running the West learn from their stupidity?
Susan B says
Christianblood, That is not the globalist stupidity but their plan working the way they hoped it would.
Andy says
81% of Tory Members Want May to Resign
Andy says
UK takes ZERO Christian Syrian refugees this year
Indiana Tom says
Anti-Christ globalists that are running the West learn from their stupidity?
This not a bug , but a feature.
Susan B says
True Mortimer, well said, I have always felt that the best way to destroy islam is with truth.
Susan B says
Jay Boo I love your comments and have respect for most of what you say, however, I am not taking about deprogramming but waking up muslims to the truth about their cult. I read that 90% of muslims have never read their koran or the hadiths. Muslims are fed a steady diet of lies and deceit by their imams. I have also read that when muslims actually read the koran, those with a conscience and soul leave islam. Do not underestimate the power of truth.
Susan B says
Jay Boo, and yes muslims need to stopped from coming in to free countries and yes we still need to deport. Deport, starting with the worst and working our way down. But it would be so much easier if we could also destroy the heart of islam, the ideology.
gravenimage says
I believe that it is important for Infidels to learn the truth about Islam–that is the main purpose of Jihad Watch, for instance.
There have been a handful of Muslims who have left Islam, and I very much respect them.
But I do not believe that we should allow hordes of Muslims to flood into the West. Muslims are more likely to actively support Jihad than they are to become apostates, i’m afraid. Unfettered Muslim immigration just presents a danger to us.
christianblood says
Kumar
That is a very good point! But the West is effaminated by liberal transgenderism and they can’t fight anymore! Sooner or later islam will eventually take over the West, either through violent jihad or through demographic jihad or through both!
Susan B says
Chritianblood, islam will not win. We have God islam only has some sick female hating pagan moon god. Think about it.
gravenimage says
I see Christianblood is slavering again over the prospect that Islam destroys the West.
He does not seem to care that this would put Russians at great risk, as well. He hates the West more than he cares for his own people.
Susan B says
Jay Boo how do our propose to stop islam? I agree with Mortimer, truth is one of the best tools we have against islam. Islam is a lie built on lies and it is truth that can unravel the lies. That does not mean this is the only method but it can be very effective.
Cicero says
Meanwhile theBritish. Muslim commnity are busily attacking and attempting to neutralise the U.K. Governments PREVENT programme aimed at preventing and deprogramming radicalised Muslim youth
The British Muslims declare that the PREVENT Programme is discriminating against and persecuting ALL British Muslims
Terry Gain says
Jay Boo
Some of the best anti-Jihadists are ex-Muslims, so you are not only rude, you are wrong.
How old are you? Knock of your stupid attacks on the very learned Mortimer.
Andy says
With all due respect Terry,
Everyone has a right to free (including Jay Boo) speech, That’s what true democracy is all about. Whether we agree with it or not. As long as people talk and are not violent with each other what’s the problem?
Come on Terry, you being a lawyer should know better.
Indiana Tom says
A steady diet of such DEPROGRAMMING VIDEOS and READING MATERIAL will take jihadists right out of Islam and consequently, they will be a danger to no one.
Maybe…maybe not; but it would be a step in the right direction.
christianblood says
Jay Boo posted
(…Mortimer is spamming the nonsense that Muslims need our help. They do need the truth but not as if they are helpless little children who merely need guidance from an all knowing wiser big brother.
Muslims need to be shamed with the TRUTH rather than the daily pandering in the news media against Islamophobia…)
Very well-said, Jay Boo!
Savvy Kafir says
The idea that we can “deprogram” enough Muslims in the West, fast enough to save Western Civilization from the cancer of Islam, is overly optimistic in the extreme. Here’s why:
1) For every Muslim who is induced to leave Islam, many new babies are born to devout Muslim families in the West.
2) For every new Muslim apostate in the West, many more Muslim immigrants pour into the West (both legally & illegally), many of them determined to Islamize their adopted countries.
3) For every Muslim who abandons Islam, some number of moderate, secular Muslims (many of them second-generation transplants to the West) decide to begin taking their religion more seriously.
This is a losing game. It’s like trying to bail out the Titanic with a Dixie cup.
If the West is to be saved from Islam, Muslims must be forced to leave the West. The Spanish understood this simple, obvious truth in the 15th Century — and we need to grasp it now, before it’s too late to save ourselves.
Islam is designed to be a ruthless, super-aggressive, invasive ideology that uses violence, terror, deception, immigration, & high birth rates to conquer & subdue non-Muslim territory. It is a VERY effective design, and we ignore that fact at our peril. Anyone suggesting that we can save the West by simply talking Muslim colonizers out of their religion does not understand the magnitude of the threat we’re facing.
Islam is hostile to all human (and animal) rights, to science & reason, and to everything freedom-loving people stand for; and it must be rooted out. It cannot be tolerated in the West, or, sooner or later, the West is doomed. All Muslims are carriers of this virus (in varying degrees of potency); and all of them (to one degree or another) help to keep Islam alive & growing. THEY MUST GO. Mass deportation of Muslims — as difficult as that will be — is the only thing that can actually save Western societies. It was insane to allow Muslims to immigrate to the West; and it’s time to fix that mistake.
At this point, the forces of Islam — with considerable help from their PC dupes — are on a trajectory that will see them dominate much of the West within a few generations. And the longer we wait to take effective action, the bloodier the inevitable conflict will be — and the more uncertain the outcome.
Floating unworkable ideas like deprogramming Muslims just sows confusion among those who oppose the Islamization of the West. It helps the Islamists gain more time to advance their project via the Demographic Jihad, while we explore impractical strategies. We can’t afford to waste our energies on trying to talk Muslims out of their vile religion. We need to focus on educating the non-Muslim public regarding the threat of Islam, with the goal of creating the political will to eject Islam from the West, root & branch.
BTW: For what it’s worth, the views I’ve expressed here are not those of a “right-wing extremist”, by any stretch of the imagination. I’m a dedicated tree-hugger, a vegetarian proponent of animal rights, and a fairly militant religious skeptic. (More militant every day!) There are a few of us Lefties — or progressive-libertarian mongrels — who “get it” regarding Islam; and some of us are f**king determined to beat the truth into the heads of the politically correct sheeple of the Regressive Left — or to fight those PC Friends of Islam, as long as there’s breath in our bodies.
Gjallarhornet says
If we give in and truly believe England is lost, then it is lost. Permanently. Which is why we must NOT give in. Never.
Stand firm!
Susan B says
Gjallarhornet, I agree, islam only has violence and brain dead morons working against the democratic west, we have critical thinkers and higher ideals that can and will defeat these 7th century savages.
Stacy Girl says
Sadly, the fight is also against many brain dead Brits. The despise Tommy Robinson, and deny the existence of rape gangs and sharia controlled areas. You’d have a better chance converting Muslims.
jayell says
The UK establishment and the MSM (especially the BBC) not only tried every trick in the book but invented some new very dirty ones in order to sweep the whole rape-gang business under the carpet or set up smoke-screens once the cases started coming to court. Because of this, the British public firstly knew absolutely nothing about the gangs for literally decades, then fell for the smoke-screens (celebrity witch-hunts) hook, line and sinker because, even now, no-one seems to have noticed (a) how deliberately contrived the campaigns were, especially when they went wrong , (b) how the campaigns only started when the court cases made sweeping under the carpet impossible and (c) how repulsively disreputable and un-British the witch-hunts were in their bid to denigrate and destroy respected British icons – as if organised/inspired by some outside agency? The penny will drop one day!
gravenimage says
Hear, hear! Patriotic Britons should stand u!
gravenimage says
up
Savvy Kafir says
Patriotic Britons should support Anne Marie Waters’ For Britain party. And those of us who aren’t Brits should donate $$$ to her party, and help to promote it via the Internet.
https://www.forbritain.uk/
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed! We should not surrender ANY Western nations to Islam.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
///England is LOST///
SO BE IT.
”As you sow so shall you reap”.
I am gratified to know uk is entirely ISLAMIC today. The british christian barbarians have earned it.
gravenimage says
Janakiraman Rajalakshm’s sneering at the West falling to Islam is bizarre–is he someone else who does not care how this would imperil India? (That’s assuming, of course, that such an Islamophilic poster is actually Hindu…)
blitz2b says
That’s the Mohammedan parasite for you.
The Koran stipulates their superiority and our inferiority, so why should they feel remorse when their alleged creator of the universe mandates death of infidels?
christianblood says
The Mohammedans are exactly following the teachings of their religion, their prophet and of their god but why are their Western enablers aiding and abetting them for?
Whose commandments are these Western enablers following?
Wellington says
Gee, christianblood, the Mohammedans running Iran “are exactly following the teachings of their religion” too and yet Putin is “aiding and abetting them.”
My God, man, don’t you see how ludicrously one-sided your contentions are? You have lost all credibility here at JW because of this.
christianblood says
Wellington
You keep saying Putin, Putin, Putin! You must be obsessed with Putin like your globalist masters are! BTW, what does this story have to do with Putin or Russia? The ISIS-loving Brits send this terrorist to Libya to fight along side their jihadist proxies and then brought him back to Britain and shortly after wards he blew them up and murdered 22 of their own people! Now, what does that have to do with the President of the Russian Federation? Why are you so obsessed with Russia and their President. Mr. Wellington?
gravenimage says
No, Britain did not send this Muslim to Libya–they just foolishly rescued him from there.
And what Wellington said makes perfect sense–Christianblood endlessly castigates the West for dhimmitude, but then applauds Russia for doing the same. He actually goes further and actually lauds Hizb’allah and Iran.
Real Anti-Jihadists oppose dhimmitude wherever they find it.
I will say that the British were deeply foolish here. Christianblood will never say the same about dhimmitude from Russia.
Wellington says
What “globalist masters” that control me, christianblood? Be specific. I say you can’t be.
As for Putin and Russia, I am not obsessed with either. But YOU ARE. It is so plain for anyone of sense and knowledge to see this AND this is why I have responded many times to you as I have—because you tout Russia and Putin ALL THE TIME and denigrate the West ALL THE TIME. I would be remiss if I didn’t bring up what you ALWAYS bring up.
Learn this.
christianblood says
Wellington
Personally, I never talk about Russia unless I feel its appropriate and it would be good if we just focus on the topic at hand and not deviate from it. Also, I would suggest that you visit Russia and no doubt, you will like it as many around the world do! Don’t believe the cheap propaganda being spread by others, go and visit and see for your self. The testimony of this American priest in the video clip below is a good example of this. See him talk about Russia:
https://russia-insider.com/en/culture/christianity-permeates-daily-life-russia-even-banks-and-restaurants/ri24333
christianblood says
gravenimage
Close to hundred and fifty British jihadists left Britain to fight Qaddafi
and many of them directly or indirectly had their trips facilitated by the British authorities or agencies sponsored by the British authorities and this young man and two members of his family were part of this. Graven, you simply don’t understand the level of corporation between Western countries and islamic jihadists. You are years away to appreciate and really understand the depth and the width of the symbiotic relationship between Western authorities and islamic jihadists! Graven, Please understand that I really know what I am talking about like I know at the back of my hand!
gravenimage says
Christianblood, if you have any actual proof that the British authorities was funding Jihad, please produce it. I will say ahead of time that if this ever happened, that I condemn it.
christianblood says
gravenimage
What do you mean? The whole scheme of Nato bombing the Libyan government and supporting islamists insurrection in Libya in 2011
was done to support the islamist jihadists there! Dear Graven, please understand that US and Nato have a very long track record of supporting islamist jihadists and they do this, sometimes to push their geopolitical imperialist agenda and other times they support islamist jihadists out of love and friendship! More about plz see the video below:
christianblood says
gravenimage
Graven, just for your right now there are two places that US and Nato are already giving some support to jihadists and these places are CAR and Rohingya muslim terrorists in Myanmar! In CAR (Central African Republic) there were several islamist invasion backed by Saudi-Arabia, Chad and UAE and these invasions were orchestrated from the neighboring Chad which is a majority muslim country and the French, the UK and the CIA are working along with islamist invaders there. Mind you Graven, (CAR is over 80 percent Christian, 10 percent animistic and 10 percent islamic) and there is a weak but a UN recognized government there and the government there asked Russia to give its armed forces some training and some small arms which Russia did so that they can fight back against the islamist terrorist invaders there. After this, there was a huge Russophobic uproar, especially from France who colonized CAR but also from America and the UK, (the usual suspects!) Why? Because the Westerners don’t want Russia to support the weak, mainly Christian government in CAR and they would rather have CAR taken over by islamists supported by Saudi Arabia, UAE and Al-Qaeda! Just yesterday, three Russian journalists who were making a documentary about CAR were assassinated in the government-controlled area of CAR and many believe that this was clearly orchestrated by Western intelligence to send a message to Russia and its involvement in CAR! The same is already happening in Myanmar where the US and the West are supporting the Rohingya muslim insurgency against the majority of the Buddhists in Myanmar and Russia and China are on the side of Myanmar government and its Buddhist majority. Look it up, Graven and please see the bigger picture!
christianblood says
Wellington
So you want me to criticize Brazil, Russia, China and India they way I do the West? Sure, If these countries were associating and supporting islamic jihadists like the US and the West have been for decades, If they are controlling the global economy and media to further their pro-islamist liberal globalist agenda known as (NATO), if they are pushing an “LGBTQ” anti-Christian, anti-commonsense and anti-family destructive agenda I would criticize them but they are not. In fact, these countries are victims of the globalist West in many ways!
Besides, these countries are not globalists bushing a pro-islamist, pro-LGBTQ, liberal imperialist (Globalist) agenda on the world stage in the way that the US and the West do! BTW, on a daily basis Jihadwatch reports on how the Western governments, clergy, media and members of society are constantly aiding and abetting islamists and you never call jihadwatch Putin stooges like you constantly call me so why the misplaced selective outrage? Why do always have to bring up Putin’s name when you see me criticize the West for its pro-islamist, liberal imperialist instance and its anti-Christ attitudes and practices and agenda?
gravenimage says
Gaddafi was a Jihadist himself. I have not forgotten Lockerbie.
The Jihadists who have taken over in Libya now are likely even worse, but there are no good guys who are major players there.
Susan B says
Satanic leftism.
Aloha Akbar says
When Satan the devil tempted Jesus, he showed Jesus in a vision, ALL the kingdoms of the Earth & offered them to him.
This shows that ALL the kingdoms of the Earth belong to Satan.
There’s also a few references in the bible, some from from Jesus that Satan is the Ruler of the World.
Daniel 2:44 says that Gods Kingdom (which is prayed to come on Earth in The Lords Prayer) will destroy all Kingdoms on Earth & will take over Earths rulership.
Therefore, ALL governments on Earth are ultimately under the control of the devil himself.
Russia, America, but ESPECIALLY the muslim nations.
Yaweh has promised to send His son Jesus to put an end to all this madness.
James Lincoln says
Never try to predict the actions of a Muslim through a typical Westerner’s point of view.
That mode of thinking will leave you at an extreme disadvantage – and possibly dead.
Always On Watch says
Looks to me as if the UK is capable of recognizing the realities of Islam.
jayell says
“…the UK is capable of recognizing the realities of Islam.,,,,,”……just like we were capable of recognising the rats bringing the bubonic plague back in the Middle Ages? Clearly we have a different kind of rodent bringing a different kind of virus this time, but ignorance hasn’t been an excuse for a long time.
Terry Gain says
I assume you inadvertently left out “not”.
Peter says
Or “in”
SB says
Just keep bringing them in, out of the goodness of our hearts. Moron politicians.
Berengaria says
Contrast this Care & Nurturing of the Islamists with the Harsh Treatment dealt out to the British Christian Citizens by the UK.
The Abedi Bros. are not unusual at all, Mother May or whoever else rules over the UK, will always place the Muslim Invaders’ value above that of the Brits’ value.
The “Self-Annointed” Elitists appear to be leading us into Hades & we are powerless to stop them.
Buraq says
“The Independent” (a British leftist pulpit for Islam) is running this story; but guess what, there is no thread for posts!
And the Independent’s main gripe? Abedi wasn’t a refugee, technically speaking, so it’s wrong to blame the influx of refugees for this crime. Absolutely nothing said about Abedi and Muslim ‘refugees’ sharing the same world-view via Islam!
Clowns!
richard kaut says
see the movie human farming and you know that it is intentional
Susan B says
Moral of the story do not rescue muslims unless you send them back to where they came from. In the words of Trump PERIOD!!!
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Read the following :-
“Sex, Priests, and Secret Codes: The Catholic Church’s 2000-year Paper Trail of Sexual Abuse” by Thomas Doyle, AW Richard Sipe & Patrick Wall (LA: Volt Press, 2006). Best documentation of Church sexual abuse.
” It is pertinent that the authors are all Catholics; the first a Dominican priest and the other two former Benedictine monks. Thus the book is an authoritative first-hand inside view of the Catholic Church”.
I am least interested in your opinion of Islam. As a Hindu I am too familiar with atrocity literature churned out by christian mafia on Hindus & Hinduism. Must be doing the same with Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) too.
Whatever happens to christians accept it as your well earned Karma. Do not blame Muslims.
Susan B says
I will call out your evil and hateful rape and murdering cult until it disappears from the face of the earth, Only then will the world know peace. Christianity is the opposite of islam. I have no worries it will be God that destroys you sick female hating psycho god, allah.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2017/10/14/history-735-million-non-muslim-deaths-under-islam/
christianblood says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi
You are being an extremist! Muslims ruled India for 800 years, converted tens of millions of Hindu into islam by force or by coercion and murdered 80 million other Hindus during that time and you are still blaming Christians?
Shame on you!
Susan B says
Christianblood, the actual death toll of Hindus by the death cult is closer to 200 million.
christianblood says
Susan B
Thanks for the correction, Susan!
It is way higher than I read in other places! These numbers tell us that it was a religious genocide against the Hindus that muslims did during hundreds of years they ruled India! BTW, Susan, muslims did similar religious genocide during the five hundreds years they ruled Eastern European Orthodox Christians with 50 million victims! See it below:
http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm
Susan B says
Correction, actually it is double that from other sources 400 million Hindus slaughtered.
Anyone that does not see Satan as the leader of islam is brain dead. Even atheist are beginning to believe in Satan when they see what islam is.
“Muslim historian Firishta [full name Muhammad Qasim Hindu Shah, born in 1560 and died in 1620], the author of the Tarikh-i Firishta and the Gulshan-i Ibrahim, was the first to give an idea to the medieval bloodbath that was India during Muslim rule, when he declared that over 400 MILLION Hindus got slaughtered during Muslim invasion and occupation of India. Survivors got enslaved and castrated. India’s population is said to have been around 600 million at the time of Muslim invasion. By the mid 1500’s the Hindu population was 200 million.”
Source: https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/islamic-invasion-of-india-the-greatest-genocide-in-history/
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/islamic-india-the-biggest-holocaust-in-world-history-whitewashed-from-history/
gravenimage says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi wrote:
I am least interested in your opinion of Islam. As a Hindu I am too familiar with atrocity literature churned out by christian mafia on Hindus & Hinduism. Must be doing the same with Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) too.
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Indian Hindus underwent the most horrific slaughter by Muslims in history. How can “Janakiraman Rajalakshmi” not know this?
And what Hindu says (PBUH)? I think it is less and less likely that “Janakiraman Rajalakshmi” is actually Hindu. More likely a Hindu convert to the religion of blood and death.
christianblood says
Well-said, Graven!
gravenimage says
Thank you, Christianblood.
Troybeam says
Stupid is as Stupid continues to deny the truth, 22 Royal navy killed for be caring humans, time to stop this insanity and start to refuse immigrants, deport immigrants and all family with them, STOP THE MONEY FLOW, STOP THE APPEASEMENT…..simply stop catering to Islam and demand they leave. Considered not a threat: all of Islam is a threat.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Indira Gandhi spurned Henry Kissinger’s wise counsel & sent Indian Army to ” liberate” East Pakistan when they were engaged in bloody civil war with West Pakistan.
We Hindus are still paying the price for such a masochistic act by congress party.
When they had already massacred lot of Hindus during Partition aided & abetted by the knavish british colonizers India ruled by congress party ought to have stayed neutral. That would have totally ruined them.
Today the bangladeshi muslims & rohingya muslims have dangerously altered the very demography of India.
gravenimage says
Yes–Muslims are a large and growing threat in India–meanwhile, Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians have been almost eradicated in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Hindus have been exterminated in huge numbers . Sikhs also. There were no Sikhs in Bangladesh to start with.
Within India in Kashmir , there was a genocide of Hindus ( Pandits of Kashmir) & the survivors live in exile. In Jammu too Hindus have been forced to flee owing to the huge influx of rohingya muslims.
However christians do exist in Pakistan , Bangladesh & entire North Eastern India & all over India. There is what is called a christian lobby ( America , UK , Vatican) that does concern itself with the well being of christians all over the world. Aid agencies , various NGOs physically present in Pakistan & Bangladesh do evangelize erecting churches.
Pakistan taking dollars & weapons from America its staunch ally dare not antagonize them.
Both christians & muslims concume BEEF. Whereas it is the Hindus who consider Cows , Calves & Buffaloes sacred. In OUR OWN country Bharath useless establishment has been unable to enforce BAN on slaughter of Cows owing to the powerful inimical lobby of christians , muslims & the leftists who support them.
This appeasement of inimicals of Hindus is denoted by the name ‘secularism’ in Indian context. In Europe ( France) where this secularism concept originated it meant separation of church from state.
gravenimage says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi wrote:
Hindus have been exterminated in huge numbers . Sikhs also. There were no Sikhs in Bangladesh to start with.
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This is actually quite mistaken:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_Bangladesh
Sikhs in Bangladesh and Pakistan are threatened and only survive in small numbers, though.
More:
Within India in Kashmir , there was a genocide of Hindus ( Pandits of Kashmir) & the survivors live in exile. In Jammu too Hindus have been forced to flee owing to the huge influx of rohingya muslims.
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This is grimly true. Hindus have been oppressed and murdered in Pakistan and Bangladesh, as well.
More:
However christians do exist in Pakistan , Bangladesh & entire North Eastern India & all over India. There is what is called a christian lobby ( America , UK , Vatican) that does concern itself with the well being of christians all over the world. Aid agencies , various NGOs physically present in Pakistan & Bangladesh do evangelize erecting churches.
Pakistan taking dollars & weapons from America its staunch ally dare not antagonize them.
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Good lord, what absolute tripe. How can anyone who posts at Jihad Watch pretend that Christians are not persecuted and murdered in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Here’s just one story:
“Pakistan: Persecution of Christians increases in first six months of 2018”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/07/pakistan-persecution-of-christians-increases-in-first-six-months-of-2018
There are dozens of other stories here–many much worse.
More:
Both christians & muslims concume BEEF. Whereas it is the Hindus who consider Cows , Calves & Buffaloes sacred. In OUR OWN country Bharath useless establishment has been unable to enforce BAN on slaughter of Cows owing to the powerful inimical lobby of christians , muslims & the leftists who support them.
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I’m a vegetarian, myself–but that does not mean that I condone the oppression and murder of any meat eaters.
christianblood says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi
Pakistani muslims murder Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Ahmadis and Shiites with impunity! They even murder Christian coolies who mistakenly drink from muslim cubs!!!!!
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
I KNOW I KNOW that u r an alleged ”vegetarian”.
I am also quite familiar with the pro Hindu noises made by you reminding me of Panchatantra Tale(s) wherein a wolf sheds copious tears for the plight of rain sodden sheep.
I also know you endorse evangelizing , brazen thievery / appropriation of Hindu Names , tell tale signs like Bindi sporting etc etc by stealth christians in our midst in India .
If ur christian heart bleeds THAT much at the alleged ”persecution” of fellow christians in Pakistan & Bangladesh what is stopping you from welcoming them all into your own VAST country with too many churches lying vacant ?
It is the decrepit devil ( vatican polish pope died belatedly) who screamed ” plant the cross in Asia ( read India ) & harvest as much souls as possible”.
Highly ludicrous. Why waste money , burn aviation fuel exporting cartons of bibles , aid agencies & ngos …whisk away all wannabe souls to be harvested into your own americAAAA , uk , australia , italy etc etc . Thrust bibles into their hands , feed clothe educate them , empower them as ministers , presidents etc…share your vast resources , land etc with them & live happily ever after with them.
It is catholic church followed by other denominations ( protestant , southern baptist) that are the largest land OCCUPIERS ( owners) in Hindus’ Bharath.
In Gulf countries , in South Korea , in China too BARBARIANS oops christians have bulldozed their ways erecting churches all over ( mostly vacant) . Elementary. Coveting of resources belonging to others.
Hence when Mosques come up in americAAAA , uk etc I feel jubilant.
NEVER bracket Hindus with christians.
Susan B says
Janakiraman- Christianity is the opposite of islam. islam is evil because it’s inventor was evil. mohammad was a psychopathic pedophile, rapist, sex slaver, mass murdering warlord, looter, torturer, terrorist..easily the most evil man to ever walk this earth. Read the hadiths for proof. There is a reason that millions of mohammedans are turning away from your female hating pagan moon. As muslims become more educated they become less easily brainwashed.
Christianity is growing at an exponential rate in islamic countries for a reason. Despite treating muslim women as domestic animals, allah’s words not mind, high birth rates can not rescue islam from it ultimate demise. Many muslims are having vision and dreams of Jesus and are experiencing his miracles as was foretold in the Bible. As an example in Africa in 1900 there were only less than 9 million Christians left after all that convert or die and rape jihad evil. There are now over 600 million and the same is happening all over the islamic world. Remember that the ancestors of muslims were converted by the sword and their offspring brainwashed from birth thereafter. Jesus is collecting his lost sheep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dors_zGu7yA
The damage done to all of humanity by islam is beyond anything the world has ever seen and there is a day of reckoning. islam is a lie built on lies and it can only be kept afloat by more lies and violence. Without apostasy laws, islam would fold like the deck of cards that it is. God does have limits and islam has reached those limits.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2017/10/14/history-735-million-non-muslim-deaths-under-islam/
gravenimage says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi wrote:
I KNOW I KNOW that u r an alleged ”vegetarian”.
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I have noted that I am a vegetarian here for years. There is no reason for me to have done so save its being true. But no–I do not believe that people who eat meat should be slaughtered. This is not a contradictory stance–far from it.
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I am also quite familiar with the pro Hindu noises made by you reminding me of Panchatantra Tale(s) wherein a wolf sheds copious tears for the plight of rain sodden sheep.
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I do not want to see Hindus or anyone else oppressed and murdered by Muslims. There is nothing hypocritical about this.
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I also know you endorse evangelizing , brazen thievery / appropriation of Hindu Names , tell tale signs like Bindi sporting etc etc by stealth christians in our midst in India .
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I believe in freedom of conscience for everyone.
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If ur christian heart bleeds THAT much at the alleged ”persecution” of fellow christians in Pakistan & Bangladesh what is stopping you from welcoming them all into your own VAST country with too many churches lying vacant ?
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I have many times advocated for our giving oppressed Christians in places like Pakistan and Bangladesh sanctuary in the West, both here at Jihad Watch and to elected leaders in the West. Since India is unable to protect Hindus and Sikhs there, I would be fine with our giving them sanctuary, as well.
And notice the appalling Janakiraman Rajalakshmi sneering at Muslim persecution of Christians in Pakistan, when we have cases like these:
“Pakistan: Muslims open fire on Christians leaving Sunday worship, two dead, five injured”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/pakistan-muslims-open-fire-on-christians-leaving-sunday-worship-two-dead-five-injured
“Pakistan: Muslim mob calls for beheading of Christian for ‘blasphemy,’ threatens to burn down Christian homes”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/02/pakistan-muslim-mob-calls-for-beheading-of-christian-for-blasphemy-threatens-to-burn-down-christian-homes
There are hundreds more. Of course, Muslims do the same to Hindus there.
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Hence when Mosques come up in americAAAA , uk etc I feel jubilant.
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I do not sneer over the suffering of Hindus at Muslim hands–appalling that Janakiraman Rajalakshmi sneers at this happening to Christians, Jews, and secularists.
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NEVER bracket Hindus with christians.
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Muslims make no distinctions, and happily oppress and slaughter Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians.
I stand with Hindus against this threat–there is nothing I can do if some would rather be murdered by Muslims than ally with Christians, save to shake my head at the sad human capacity for suicidal behavior.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Even if I were to believe in your presumptuous ”christians are being persecuted …” how about following your own christian GHOUL’s advice to many converted harvested souls in India ?
Catholic christian GHOUL teresa ( missionaries of charities ) recently canonized by vatican watched thousands of Hindus DIE writhing in pain happily telling them ” jeeesuss is kissing you”. She said she was glad to see them suffer & die as they had been converted to christianity.
Tell all your allegedly ”persecuted” christians ” jeeeeesuSSS is kissing them”.
christianblood says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi
Turn your hatred no towards Christians but towards murderous islamic jihadists who are wreaking havoc around the globe, (unfortunately) with the support of American and Western societies! Don’t assume the Western world is a Christian world anymore. The West have abandoned Christianity and embraced a new secular fanatical pro-islamic religion known “secular liberalism”.
gravenimage says
Whatever you might think of Mother Theresa, she was not murdering anyone–but Muslims certainly are. Can you not grasp that simple distinction?
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
29,000 have died in our one house since we began in 1952. We give them all the special ticket of St. Peter. [Laughter] – #MotherTeresa
https://medium.com/personal-growth/how-to-have-mother-teresa-compassion-its-not-what-you-think-b48
Hari Singh says
Okay, Britain do a re-think. Pretend you’re your grand-dad and you just picked up a Luftwaffe pilot in the English channel during World War II. Would you take him back to Manchester, give him public relief-the dole and let him go his way?
Well then think the same way about Muslims, and you might have a clue.
gravenimage says
+1
Indiana Tom says
Actually, the Luftwaffe pilot would give you more of a break than the Muslim. Oh well, during WW2, we had our fair share of German prisoners working and roaming the Midwest being lightly guarded or not being guarded at all. Of course the locals were of German ancestry themselves.
Indiana Tom says
I forgot to add that a lot of the German prisoners wanted to stay in the USA and not go back to Germany.
nochip4me says
Short of all non-Muslims rising up and uniting together and overthrowing their traitorous rulers who have sold their countries out to the globalists bankers, they are not getting their countries back.
England in my opinion is lost.
Islam IS satan’s kingdom manifesting on Earth and Muslims are his duped followers.
All nations that throw God (the real God of Abraham) out of their hearts and turn to wicked ways, fall.
Most of Europe with the exception of Poland and Hungary are basically Atheists now going towards Islam.
England is lost. May God have mercy upon all of us.
gravenimage says
More English patriots like Tommy Robinson are standing up. Don’t preach surrender yet.
D J says
We in Britain have taken in refugees from many places Hugienots, Belgians, Vietnamese and East African Asians. None have betrayed us like muslims.
They have outraged their welcome and must go.
gravenimage says
+1
robyt says
who bombed lybia a second after france ? was it not uk ? they paid traitors of gheddafi to do islamic revolution in lybia. so uk is much responsible of the “export of democracy” to lybia. But you can never fully trust traitors who soon or later can do the same to you. Probably uk sold the story of revolution dream to these islamic terrorists. when they felt to have been used and it was all a pile of lies, they paid uk back. uk should have not mess up with gheddafi and lybia, opening the pandora box and thinking not to get hurt.
gravenimage says
The Royal Navy rescued him. He showed his gratitude by murdering 22 in jihad massacre in the UK.
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Muslim “gratitude”.
Terry Gain says
Andy says
Jul 31, 2018 at 5:29 pm
With all due respect Terry,
Everyone has a right to free (including Jay Boo) speech, That’s what true democracy is all about. Whether we agree with it or not. As long as people talk and are not violent with each other what’s the problem?
Come on Terry, you being a lawyer should know better.
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Hi Andy. Did you not agree with my exercise of free speech? You exercised yours above, just as I exercised mine when I criticized Jay Boo. I will continue to criticize him when he takes stupid pot shots at a very learned person.
BTW, thank you for all of your videos. They are great.
Terry Gain says
Jay Boo
You are the aggressor. Mortimer has never flattered me and criticizing your childish comments is not selling my soul.
Indiana Tom says
Islam is the Heart of Darkness and this incident proves it.
In other news some moron got bit by his poisonous pet Cobra in Michigan.
Sort of the same thing as having pet Muslims in your society.
At the end of the day, it is still a deadly snake.
Robert Half says
Abortion is the reason Islam is marching into Western “Civilization” and causing such carnage. As the Angel of the Lord called Ishmael in the Book of Genesis:
16:9. And the angel of the Lord said to her: Return to thy mistress, and humble thyself under her hand.
16:10. And again he said: I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, and it shall not be numbered for multitude.
16:11. And again: Behold, said he, thou art with child, and thou shalt bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Ismael, because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
16:12. He shall be a wild man: his hand will be against all men, and all men’s hands against him: and he shall pitch his tents over against all his brethren.
That’s the prototype of Islam. Now for the abortion linkage in the Book of Isaiah:
10:1. Woe to them that make wicked laws: and when they write, write injustice:
10:2. To oppress the poor in judgment, and do violence to the cause of the humble of my people: that widows might be their prey, and that they might rob the fatherless.
10:3. What will you do in the day of visitation, and of the calamity which cometh from afar? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
10:4. That you be not bowed down under the bond, and fall with the slain? In all these things his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
10:5. Woe to the Assyrian, he is the rod and the staff of my anger, and my indignation is in their hands.
10:6. I will send him to a deceitful nation, and I will give him a charge against the people of my wrath, to take away the spoils, and to lay hold on the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
10:7. But he shall not take it so, and his heart shall not think so: but his heart shall be set to destroy, and to cut off nations not a few.
See how it works? We forget God and His Catholic Church, and He says reap what you sow. School shootings all over the place, except in Catholic schools. Get it?
PRAY THE ROSARY!!
gravenimage says
The idea that God wants us to be overrun with Muslim savages is highly questionable. Whatever the ethical shortcomings of the West, do you *really* believe that things are more moral under the horrors of Islam? (Islam allows abortion, as well).
Robert Half says
Highly questionable? IT IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS. Are you seriously that blind to the trends? And no, things are far more immoral under the Muslims, but after the mass murder of 60 million + babies from their “mothers'” wombs in sterile, antiseptic, hidden and disguised as “health” clinics, God is handing our liberal leaders minds over to inviting in the enemy we have faced for 1,400 years, whose collective minds are focused on the conversion of the kafir by the sword, in order to destroy our nations, exactly as Isaiah points out.
Psalms 80 and Romans 1:24 make that clear. Do penance said both Christ and St. John the Baptist. Today? The western promise of life without the complexity of work, of medical miracles at our very demand, of automobiles with great power, technology and climate control surpass anything the richly embossed gold carriages of King Louis XVI ever could have imagined, of dishwashers, laundry machines and Smart Phones a standard issue of even modest apartments puts the hedonistic character indelibly into westerners, who then murder their children via abortion and birth control, who have learned to fornicate rather than marry, and who are totally void of the Sacraments of the Church and who are serving satan rather than God.
The archangel Raphael put it like this in the Book of Tobit:
6:16. Then the angel Raphael said to him: Hear me, and I will shew thee who they are, over whom the devil can prevail.
6:17. For they who in such manner receive matrimony, as to shut out God from themselves, and from their mind, and to give themselves to their lust, as the horse and mule, which have not understanding, over them the devil hath power.
Sex, drugs and rock ‘n roll have done precisely that to entire generations in the west. Sexual lust induced by the devil, drugs to stultify the conscience and thwart the moral order, rock ‘n roll (rock – satan’s mockery of St. Peter the rock upon whom Christ established the Catholic Church, and roll – a piece of bread which term satan uses to mock the Eucharist, which is the Source and Summit of Catholic Faith) to nail down the ideas and habits so no one is the wiser and millions fall into Hell as a result.
And EVERYONE has been seduced by the relentless drone of the radios, the TV’s, the transistor radios, the reel to reel tape machines, the cassette players, the 8-track tape players, the CD players, the DVD players, the desktops, the laptops, the IPads, the Smart phones, the Smart TV’s and so forth, making the demented culture an inescapable conditioner of behavior.
As Lenin said, “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” Psychological cause and effect through our addiction to the media.
gravenimage says
I do *not* believe that God favors the horrors of Islam, nor wants us to suffer under such evil.
christianblood says
Robert Half
You are indeed very right! The West is under God’s curse and it will be taken over by islam or be destroyed otherwise if they don’t repent! I believe this 100%!
gravenimage says
Yes–we all deserve to be raped and murdered for Muslims for allowing gay people to live unmolested. *Ugh*.
Terry Gain says
Robert Half
See how it works? We forget God and His Catholic Church, and He says reap what you sow. School shootings all over the place, except in Catholic schools. Get it?
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Are you saying God is okay with ( or causing) school shootings except in Catholic schools? You are not even Half right. You are confusing God with Allah.
Yes, pray the Rosary more. And comment less often.
Robert Half says
After 60 million abortions, God has handed us over to our sins. Psalms states:
80:11. For I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
80:12. But my people heard not my voice: and Israel hearkened not to me.
80:13. So I let them go according to the desires of their heart: they shall walk in their own inventions.
80:14. If my people had heard me: if Israel had walked in my ways:
80:15. I should soon have humbled their enemies, and laid my hand on them that troubled them.
80:16. The enemies of the Lord have lied to him: and their time shall be for ever.
Romans puts it this way:
1:22. For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
1:23. And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts and of creeping things.
1:24. Wherefore, God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness: to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.
1:25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Hence, the obvious void of violence in Catholic schools and the primacy of carnage occurring in public schools is obvious in its disparity.
But you can’t see it, can you?
Robert Half says
And the whole reason we are seeing Islam invading and vanquishing Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand is because they are the tool of chastisement of the Lord. Isaiah sets it out thusly:
10:1. Woe to them that make wicked laws [Roe v. Wade]: and when they write, write injustice:
10:2. To oppress the poor in judgment, and do violence to the cause of the humble of my people: that widows might be their prey, and that they might rob the fatherless.
10:3. What will you do in the day of visitation, and of the calamity which cometh from afar? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
10:4. That you be not bowed down under the bond, and fall with the slain? In all these things his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
10:5. Woe to the Assyrian, he is the rod and the staff of my anger, and my indignation is in their hands.
10:6. I will send him to a deceitful nation, and I will give him a charge against the people of my wrath, to take away the spoils, and to lay hold on the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
10:7. But he shall not take it so, and his heart shall not think so: but his heart shall be set to destroy, and to cut off nations not a few.
Robert Half says
Dr. Bill Warner has done highly proficient work on establishing a timeline of Muslim hegemony against the west. Watch his discussion here:
https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y
gravenimage says
Muslims are humans making evil choices. They were not created by God to rape and murder Christians.