Some people in this world are very good at playing the game. Some people are unbelievably talented at presenting themselves in the exact way that draws as much positive attention, while making the very idea of negative attention anathema to those that idolize them. A simpler way of saying this might be to say that some people are two-faced. However, some of these are very good at convincing the public that they have only one face.
Sometimes, not often, but sometimes, these people will let the mask slip. This usually occurs when they feel it is absolutely safe to do so. Suhaib Webb is a good example of this type of individual.
Suhaib Webb is a white convert to Islam. He became a Muslim in 1992 at the age of 20 in Norman, Oklahoma. Before this, he had been active in the DJ scene of the hip-hop culture, and had even run afoul of polite society by hanging out with members of the Bloods street gang.
I met Suhaib when I visited the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City in early January 2001. At first, I figured that Webb was a Muslim from Albania, but I was informed that he was a convert to Islam, or “revert,” as converts call themselves. This is because Muslims believe that everyone is born a Muslim, we are just turned into something else by our parents and society. So when you convert, you are going back to what you originally were, according to Islamic teaching.
I was very impressed with Suhaib. He was very kind to me, and was more than willing to share Islam with me, or at least the whitewashed version of Islam that many Muslims try to sell the public. I bought into this, and converted to Islam on February 25, 2001. Suhaib was out of town when I said the Shahadah, but other Muslims told me that he was ecstatic about my embracing the religion.
It wasn’t long before Suhaib would gradually let the mask slip and expose true Islam to me.
The first instance of this was sometime later in 2001. I asked Suhaib about the concept of jihad in Islam. Suhaib told me bluntly that Islam teaches that when Muslims meet the kuffar (infidels or unbelievers), they are to offer them three choices. They are first to be invited to become Muslims, to embrace Islam. If they reject that, they are to be offered the choice to keep their religion but live under Islamic rule and pay the jizya. If they reject that, the only option left is to fight them in jihad. Up until that point, I had been under the impression that Islam had no jihad imperative except in self-defense, something the people trying to convince me to become Muslim had said themselves!
Some time after that, Suhaib and I were discussing the Israel-Palestinian situation, and I asked him why members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad were blowing themselves up if Islam rejects suicide. Suhaib told me that this was a legitimate method for them, as the intention (or niyaah) was not suicide, but martyrdom. He even said that there was no issue with killing Israeli children, because the Israelis were all required to serve in the military, so it was just the Muslims killing future Israeli soldiers!
Later, after 9/11, the local news media came to the mosque to get the soundbite about how peaceful Islam was, and how Muslims condemned terrorism. I had received a hate letter in the mail after 9/11, and Suhaib told me to go and tell the journalist about it. I did so, and then was asked by them to do a quick interview. After the interview, somehow the Israeli-Palestinian question came up, and I mentioned what Suhaib had told me, without mentioning his name. He caught my attention and signaled to me not to bring it up. Afterwards he told me not to bring the issue up, because the media would not understand.
One last thing Suhaib did that really caught my attention regarding the abuse and fear that is so prevalent in Islam had to do with Quran recitation. Suhaib was my Quran teacher, and he also taught Quran to a few other people, mostly children. I would patiently wait my turn, as the children were further ahead in their lessons than I was, and then Suhaib would give me my lesson one-on-one. One day, before Quran lessons, Suhaib had me walk across the street with him to the building that was being used as the Islamic elementary school (which he also taught at). He went inside and got a metal coat hanger and said this to me: “Don’t be afraid at what you are about to see.” I had no idea what he was talking about. We then went back over to the mosque.
A short time later, Quran lessons began. Suhaib was doing the lesson with a young boy named Mohammed. Mohammed was not doing his recitation very well, and Suhaib pulled out the hanger and threatened to hit the boy. He told Mohammed that Mohammed’s father had okayed a beating for the boy if he did not properly do his recitation. Mohammed began to cry and continued to struggle through the recitation. Every so often, Suhaib would slam the ground with the hanger and yell, “Read!” This caused Mohammed to again start sobbing. This was chilling, and it has never left me.
Suhaib Webb has made a career of keeping his mask intact, making himself a darling of the mainstream media, which routinely refers to him as a moderate. However, the media has not had the misfortune to see the mask slip, as I have, to see what Islam is really about: fear and hate. Don’t be fooled by the mask. The mask is moderation and peace, but underneath is Islam with all its fear and hatred.
Muhammed Jacob says
EVERYONE IS BORN A MUSLIM, BUT YOU MUST CONVERT TO MOHAMMEDANISM, THE CULT OF MOHAMMED!
mortimer says
MJ, your point is perfectly incoherent. Mohammedanism is Islam. The Islamic calendar dates from the POLITICAL FOUNDATION of the Islamic state. POLITICAL ISLAM is the HEART AND SOUL of Islam.
You are totally misguided and your comment shows us Islam impairs any critical thought you may once have possessed.
mortimer says
MJ, Muslims begin by lying to themselves about the absurdities of Islam. Then it becomes easy to lie to dirty kafirs. Eventually, Muslims end up living in a delusional, counter-rational fantasy world.
Noor al-Amriki says
Utter nonsense. Typical Muslim attempt to deflect attention away from Islam’s violent ideology.
jihad3tracker says
HELLO, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS ITEM ABOUT SUHAIB WEBB.
I have been a reader of Robert’s excellent blog since 2011, and Webb has appeared as the subject of several posts over that span of time.
Those of us who “read” faces for what they reveal about good or evil within human minds,can clearly see his cruelty — and not only from the photo included above, but throughout prior pictures and videos on the internet.
Perhaps the most revealing element in Webb’s biography is CONVERSION TO ISLAM. Anger, pettiness, a stew of other disordered personality traits — the perfect setting for Allah’s bloodthirsty agenda.
By the way, psychologist Dr. Nicolai Sennels published a paper some years ago titled “Why Islam Creates Monsters”, based on interviews with prisoners in Europe. If you have not read it, I suggest doing so.
J D S says
Noor..I assume you did an about face to Islam..you didn’t exactly say so in the article but it appears you were enlightened to the point of leaving this murderous cult and did find that Islam is not and could never be …God based.
Noor al-Amriki says
I have discussed my leaving Islam in an interview with Robert Spencer which you can find here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH_DQHCsghs
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Mohammadism” is an exact synonym for the term “Islam.” There is no Islam without Mohammad. This term “Mohammadism” was in current usage before the early 1900s. The adoption of the term “Islam” only took place in order to please/appease Mohammadans; it’s the term they prefer for their belief system.
I use “Mohammadism” because:
1. Mohammadans don’t like it.
2. It tells the truth about the belief system: that it is more about Mohammad than it is about anything else.
3. It tells the uninformed that you can easily understand it by knowing about the unvarnished story of Mohammad’s life.
jihad3tracker says
HELLO FLAVIUS — Yes, you firmly nailed down the essential point — #2.
Months ago on here at JW, I recommended this multi-installment video by “superlatively brilliant ” (in Robert Spencer’s words) by Dr. David Wood:
THE PSYCHOLOGY OF ISLAM. Watching all the segments might be too much for our busy calendars, so consider viewing only part 1. Parts 2 and 3 expand on it.
As usual, David includes abundant citations from authors in relevant areas of study, along with passages from Islam’s most trusted sources.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Excellent recommendations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wikEctQIRSs
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F90Edm1tPAw
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgjpnZb7ESQ
gravenimage says
“Muhammed Jacob” notoriously whitewashes Islam here.
Michael Copeland says
Webb is loyal to the two-faced advice of Abu Darda, companion of Mohammed:
“We smile in the face of the unbelievers but curse them in our hearts”
gravenimage says
+1
Norger says
Wait a minute, I thought “jihad” meant “inner spiritual struggle.”
In all seriousness, this article is an excellent example of why many purported “moderate” Islamic leaders simply cannot be trusted. They lie. Playing “hide the ball” with the Islamic articles of faith is the way they play the game.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“He told Mohammed that Mohammed’s father had okayed a beating for the boy if he did not properly do his recitation. Mohammed began to cry and continued to struggle through the recitation. Every so often, Suhaib would slam the ground with the hanger and yell, “Read!” This caused Mohammed to again start sobbing. This was chilling, and it has never left me.”
Reminds me of the story of Mohammad in the cave with the “angel” (who was that angel, anyway?) The angel “pressed” (and gave him pain) Mohammad three times and commanded him to, “Read!”
gravenimage says
Just what I was thinking, Flavius. Disgusting child abuse.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Most new converts to Mohammadism leave within two years of converting.
Noor al-Amriki says
Which is what I did. I went back for a few years from Fall 2006 to early Summer 2011 at the request of law enforcement as a confidential informant.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Stay safe.
Thank you for writing this excellent article.
Noor al-Amriki says
Glad it was helpful.
@noortheinfidel
gravenimage says
Glad you got out.
And thank you for exposing the evils of Islam.
gravenimage says
The Two Faces of Suhaib Webb
………………………
Two-faced, indeed. Thanks for the expose. I have heard similar things before–especially that Muslims whitewash Islam for new converts–at first, that is…
Noor al-Amriki says
Welcome.
@noortheinfidel
FYI says
if you convert to islam you might need to consider the following..
1.allah is both antichristian AND antiJewish {koran 9:30}
allah admits to being “the best of deceivers” k3:54:A deceiver is someone who bears False Witness.
allah hates the Jews k2:65{but ALL the True prophets of God from Moses to Jesus Christ are Jewish!}
allah does not subscribe to God’s 2 Chief Commandmnents{found in Judaism AND Christianity but not in islam}
2. the prophet muhammed ADMITTED to being a False prophet and to fabricating things AGAINST GOD
{al tabari 6:111}ask yourself:is the life of muhammed a morally good life lived in obedience to God’s Commandments?NO!
3 compare the commandment-of -God violating life of muhammed to ..
the commandment-of God Obeying life of Christ.
The one who OBEYS God’s Laws is the true prophet:that is certainly not the mass-murdering,serial adulterer,polygamist muhammed is it?
4The Judeo-Christian Biblical God emphasises in the Bible..OBEDIENCE to God’s Commandments.
The islamic koranic god allah teaches equivocations{i.e muslims can break them} and DISOBEDIENCE to God’s Commandments.
{see for your self;the Bible agrees with God’s Laws,the koran disagrees..}
5 If you are an ex-Christian do not presume that salvation will occur.It won’t.
If you are an ex-Jew then you have joined a cult that curses the Jews.
{The fact that allah CURSES both Jews and Christians indicates that allah is NOT the Biblical God}
6 The choice given is to either follow the Lord God{Biblical,true} or “That which is NOT the Lord God”
{Islamic,error}
allah is a warped,misrepresentation of the original God:consider the fact that allah has a personal hatred for the Jews…but God cannot have an anti-Semitic nature.There are theological errors in the “perfect” koran that muslims don’t get.allalh is “That which is NOT the Biblical Lord God”
so you must choose..
“If the Lord is God,follow Him.
But if baal be your god,follow him”
I Kings 18:21
allah is NOT the Lord God!
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Thanks, “Light of America”, for this profile of Suhaib Webb (pbuh).
For fans of his dawah, here is an hour-long talk, from five years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHmflY970qg
During all this time, this talk has only been viewed 313 times. C’mon, people, let’s watch more! Don’t think ill of Suhaib just because his zebibah is off-center. Ignore the cussing at 39:43, and listen to the urination etiquette at 43:40 ff.
You mention his mosque in Oklahoma. Was it this one?:
http://www.isgoc.com/site/
Say hello to its head imam
http://www.isgoc.com/site/abouttheimam/
, who claimed to have a certificate of Apostolic Succession, which he later admitted was just a Eijazah in Quranic Recitation that “goes back to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)”. But when challenged, he resolutely refuses to publish this document.
Noor al-Amriki says
Actually, the name I use (which was not my Islamic name) is Noor (Light) and al-Amriki (the American), not Light of America.
@noortheinfidel
infidel says
MUSLIMS ARE MASTERS IN DISHING OUT THE DOUBLE GAME. PAKSITAN IS AN APT EXAMPLE AND SO ALSO TURKEY…… ESP THE SO CALLED MODS…THAT WAY i PREFER THE OVERT JEHAADIS. AT LEAST THEIR INTENTIONS ARE OUT IN THE OPEN AND U CAN TAKE PREVENTIVE MEASURES…MUSLIMS ARE EXTREMELY INSIDIOUS..
David says
A moderate Muslim is one who won’t admit that he would like to kill you. A moderate Muslim is not a good Muslim. In Islam “good” and “bad” take on the opposite meanings. A good Muslim wants to wage Jihad, and a bad Muslim can’t be bothered.
Linda Clark formerly Linnte says
Islam and it’s children…I have been ignoring this part of Islam because of a video I watch a couple years ago, of a young Muslim mother, father and a baby about 1-2 weeks old. The baby was crying incessantly, unstoppable. The mom tried to nurse it, but it was so cold outside, poor baby was probably too cold to latch. The father begins shouting at the mom to make the baby stop crying and then mom began slapping that percious soft baby cheek. Many times. It made me nauseated. Now I just can’t deliver into the potential for child abuse in Islam.
We MUST eradicate Islam.
Bowen G says
Read: http://www.justiceforaafia.org/articles/articles/961-an-open-letter-to-imam-suhaib-webb-and-the-isbcc
Dark forces colluding: Suhaib Webb receiving Ijazah from his mentor, the ‘Butcher of Egypt’ Ali Gomaa.
CONCLUSION
There has to be some serious thinking and discourse as to what benefit – and more importantly what potential harms – inviting Suhaib Webb and all that he preaches, will bring to the UK. The Suhaib Webb we remember from yesterday is not the same individual today.
As Muslims who believe in standing by everything that is true to our religion, it is imperative upon us to not allow such a toxic and clearly agenda driven individual to preach his pro-American propaganda to our youth. May Allah forgive Suhaib Webb, may Allah guide him and may Allah protect us all from constantly falling into the traps of shaytaan.