Protecting Catholics and others who are brutalized or even killed by Muslim migrants? No, that’s not part of the Pope’s “bigger agenda.”
But it is a real concern. Somali Muslim migrant Mohammad Barry in February 2016 stabbed multiple patrons at a restaurant owned by an Israeli Arab Christian; Ahmad Khan Rahami, an Afghan Muslim migrant, in September 2016 set off bombs in New York City and New Jersey; Arcan Cetin, a Turkish Muslim migrant, in September 2016 murdered five people in a mall in Burlington, Washington; Dahir Adan, another Somali Muslim migrant, in October 2016 stabbed mall shoppers in St. Cloud while screaming “Allahu akbar”; and Abdul Razak Artan, yet another Somali Muslim migrant, in November 2016 injured nine people with car and knife attacks at Ohio State University. 72 jihad terrorists have come to the U.S. from the countries listed in Trump’s initial immigration ban.
What’s more, all of the jihadis who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees. In February 2015, the Islamic State boasted it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 refugees. The Lebanese Education Minister said in September 2015 that there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country. On May 10, 2016, Patrick Calvar, the head of France’s DGSI internal intelligence agency, said that the Islamic State was using migrant routes through the Balkans to get jihadis into Europe.
Is it really a Christian requirement to be in favor of one’s home country committing cultural suicide?
In spreading his nonsense, the Pope is endangering his own people, particularly in light of the papal idolatry that is rampant in the Catholic Church today.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Raw Interview: Cardinal Cupich Responds to Questions About Cardinal McCarrick and Bombshell Vigano Memo,” by Mary Ann Ahern, NBC Chicago, August 28, 2018:
Cardinal Blase Cupich spoke to NBC 5 about the explosive allegations of a former high-ranking church official who claims the Pope knew about charges of sexual misconduct against an American cardinal and says that cardinal was responsible for Cupich’s appointment in Chicago.
“The Pope has a bigger agenda,” Cardinal Cupich said. “He’s got to get on with other things, of talking about the environment and protecting migrants and carrying on the work of the church. We’re not going to go down a rabbit hole on this….Quite frankly they also don’t like him because he’s a Latino.”
Eucip says
He is part of the problem he is pure evil
StellaSaidSo says
The Pope’s ‘bigger agenda’ is NWO globalism.
Terry Gain says
The migrants whom the Pope supports are Muslims. Islam is the NWO. Islam has in excess of 1 billion adherents and is the only ideology which may not be criticized.
StellaSaidSo says
No, Islam is not the NWO. It is a weapon of the NWO. This has been explained several times on JW, by several different posters.
SAE says
Stella, I agree that this pope’s agenda is suspect. It seems that he’s more concerned for the guilty on death row than the innocent in the womb. Also, Climate Change and all of the globalist’s causes are what matter more to him than saving souls. In the U.S.A. there’s supposed to be a separation between Church and State yet Lutherans, Catholics, and other churches and organizations receive billions from our federal government for Refugee Resettlement programs. I find all of this repulsive yet I love my catholic faith and the NONLIBERAL holy churches I attend. Many believe, as I do, that the Blessed Virgin Mary is “cleaning house” and that this evil scandal is just another sign that we are entering End Times. Heaven help us.
Lydia Church says
Exactly!
Yes, that is his agenda!
Sexual predators, pedophiles, abuse and rape?
Pope Francis: No problem!
Not allowing in enough evil, violent, muslim migrants?
Pope Francis: Now THAT is a problem!
“The Pope has a bigger agenda,” [YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN!] Cardinal Cupich said. “He’s got to get on with other things, [OH, OF COURSE… OF COURSE….] of talking about the environment [OH, RIGHT, RIGHT… THE ENVIRONMENT!] and protecting migrants [OH, THOSE POOR VICTIMS, (and not the real victims that they are creating by their violent evil) SURELY HE MUST PROTECT THEM! OH! CRY ME A RIVER!] and carrying on the work of the church [AH YES! THE WORK OF THE CHURCH! WHICH WAS… WHAT AGAIN???]. We’re not going to go down a rabbit hole on this…[OH NO! THAT WOULD BE MUCH TOO MUCH TROUBLE! JUST EXPOSING THEM ALONE! AND IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE PRIESTS ARE ALREADY CHASING DOWN RABBIT HOLES… IT’S CALLED RAPE. NO NEED TO BE REDUNDANT I SUPPOSE…]. Quite frankly they also don’t like him because he’s a Latino [OF COURSE, THE RACE CARD, HE’S A ‘LATINO’ SO IT MUST BE WHITE UPON NONWHITE RACISM, THE ONLY KIND THEY ARE AWARE OF IN THE MEDIA. ONLY HE’S NOT REALLY, AS HIS PARENTS IMMIGRATED FROM ITALY AFTER WWII… YOU KNOW… AFTER THAT BIG NAZI EXODUS FROM EUROPE TO SOUTH AMERICA TO ESCAPE PROSECUTION… A-HEM. NOT THAT THERE IS ANY CONNECTION… OF COURSE.].”
You wanna know the truth?
There is SO MUCH rape of children going on by powerful elites in secret and remote places on earth! Some are exposing this and the evidence is available. It’s a sick world! God’s judgment and wrath are imminent.
Louise Mitchell says
Amen
mortimer says
The pope’s main job is to preserve and promote the church, not to do politics or set social policies. Helping Muslims take over the Western world so they can dominate Christians is not the duty of a pope.
Bruce Crichton says
And, by preserving the church, you mean cover up child abuse
gravenimage says
No–Mortimer would never be an apologist for pedophilia, Bruce.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, that is effectively what ‘preserving the church’ has meant to the church since the first accusations of clerical child abuse surfaced.
J D S says
Impeach the pope!…well recall, impeach, demand his resignation or whatever it takes to remove this Muslim foot kissing pope…..
Bruce Crichton says
Graven Image, I described exactly the standard practice of the Catholic church.
Esther7779 says
the popes main job is to spread the gospel and bring people to repentance in Jesus Christ, that is his ONLY JOB, he hasn;t done it once since he stole the office.
J D S says
WHAT????? the pope is more interested in protecting savage migrants than protecting his own people from his own clergy’s sexual abuse of children and other of his flock…
Impeach the pope…Impeach, recall.. demand resignation… whatever it takes.
Kay says
You may still disagree with the Pope; however the Cardinal has come out saying that his remarks were misconstrued by editing.
The editing was evidently dishonest in the product released. MSM notoriously alters reality in their reporting.
Richard says
This phony is the False Prophet who will point to the Antichrist soon. His globalist backers will get him out of this current chaos. He is no shepherd who will lay down his life for the sheep, just a wolf under the guise of humility.
B.J. Butler says
And the Pope has to save us from “Climate Change,”
the greatest threat to humankind since the dawn of creation.
I hope the Pope hasn’t misplaced his Rosary beads.
Terry Gain says
Protecting migrants? From what? Immigration laws of sovereign nations? What is the difference between protecting migrants and enabling the Islamification of what were Christian countries?
Is the Pope a Muslim or just pretending to be one? Does he expect a reward of 72 virgins?
Pope Francis is to Catholicism what Obama was to America and Trudeau to Canada: Weak, Stupid and Useless.
Phil Copson says
“…Pope Francis is to Catholicism what Obama was to America and Trudeau to Canada: Weak, Stupid and Useless….”
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Obama and Trudeau – and many others – are actually cunning, conniving, and complicit: Seen from their own point of view, they’ve have been very successful in achieving their goals.
SAE says
I agree, Phil. They won’t get away with their misdeeds forever, thank God.
“When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers”. Proverbs 21:15.
Joe says
The story is worse than it seems. McCarrick was a known predator, and Pope Benedict removed him from public life. McCarrick was to live the rest of his life in prayer and penance. He wasn’t allowed to teach, write, or speak in a public way. His travel was restricted as well.
Then Francis, who knew McCarrick was a predator homosexual, not only removed the discipline against McCarrick, but he promoted McCarrick to a king-maker and close adviser. McCarrick is responsible for promoting Cupich and several other reputed homosexuals to lead the Catholic Church in the USA.
Francis has made a direct attack on Christ’s Church. There is no other way to say it.
Rarely says
You’d think that, with the guidance of the Almighty, and the not insignificant resources of the Catholic church, he’d be able to handle more than one issue at a time. Maybe the Almighty is tied up with the World Cricket Championships and can’t handle two things at once.
The most inexcusable excuse I’ve heard since the Bosox traded Babe Ruth.
Terry Gain says
You would think that the Catholic Church would have clue about an ideology that claims Christ faked his own death – with the help of Allah, not to mention 1400 years of Jihad. It’s as if the hierarchy of the Church have undergone lobotomies.
CogitoErgoSum says
It’s become dominated by Catholic Marxists who care mostly about the needs of the body and very little about the needs of the spirit.
SAE says
Rarely, that’s very impressive but please tell me where your authority to speak for “EVERYONE ELSE on the planet that disagrees”, comes from?
le mouron rouge says
“To argue with a person who has denounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.”
– Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
SAE says
le mouron,
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. -Thomas Aquinas.
le mouron rouge says
SAE,
Blind faith? No! thank you.
“As for holy obedience, this virtue must be perfect in every point, in execution, in will, in intellect; doing which is enjoined with all celerity, spiritual joy and perseverance; persuading ourselves that everything is just, suppressing every repugnant thought and judgement of one’s own in a certain obedience; and let everyone persuade himself, that he who lives under obedience should be moved and directed, under Divine Providence, by his superior, just as if he were a corpse (perinde acsi cadaver esset) which allows itself to be moved and led in every direction.”
– Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556)
“We ought to hold as a fixed principle that what I see white I believe to be black, if the superior authorities of the Church define it to be so.”
– Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556)
Pope Gregory XVI in his Encyclical of the 15th of August 1832: “If the holy Church so requires, let us sacrifice our own opinions, our knowledge, our intelligence, the splendid dreams of our imagination, and the most sublime attainments of the human understanding.”
“A religious respect of intellect and will, even if not the assent of faith, is to be paid to the teaching which the Supreme Pontiff or the college of bishops enunciate on faith and morals.”
– Canon 752
“The church has an innate and proper right to coerce offending members of the Christian faithful by means of papal sanctions.”
– Canon 1311
SAE says
My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. (James 1:2-5)
CogitoErgoSum says
The past few Sundays the Gospel reading at Mass has shown us how Jesus gained his greatest following after He turned a few fishes and loaves of bread into enough food to feed a multitude of people …. perhaps as many as five thousand.
After performing such a great miracle Jesus left the crowd behind but the people wanted to follow after Him. When they next encountered Him He said to them (and I’m paraphrasing), “You’ve been looking for Me, I know, and it’s not because you understand the meaning of what I did but because you were able to eat your fill of free food. God has placed a seal of approval upon Me and I’m here to tell you that you should not work for food that spoils but rather work for food that endures and gives you eternal life, which is what I will give you.”
The people then asked, “What should we do if we are to do the work that God requires of us (for our food)?” Jesus answered them by saying, ““The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.”
But the people needed more than this (even after the miracle of the loaves and fishes) and reminded Jesus that Moses had fed his people in the desert with manna and quoted to Jesus a passage from scripture that ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ To this Jesus responded that it was not Moses who provided the manna but God and the bread of God gives life to the world.
So the people said, “Always give us this bread.”
Now this is where most of the thousands who had been following Jesus seeking free food lost their interest and decided Jesus was nothing more than a lunatic because His answer was this: “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats MY FLESH and drinks MY BLOOD has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For My flesh is REAL food and My blood is REAL drink. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood remains in Me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me.”
After saying those words Jesus lost most of his following, except for the 12 closest to him and just a few others.
Now, these words of Jesus cause me to believe that the top priority of Jesus is NOT climate change or tending to the physical needs and everyday wants of people. I say this because when Jesus walked this Earth His main priority was TELLING THE TRUTH to people even if it was difficult for people to accept and it left Him with only a meager handful of followers.
This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it? Some will reject Jesus because of it and a few will even betray Him. (See the Gospel of John, chapter 6.)
SAE says
Cogito, an important fact to note regarding many walking away upon hearing Jesus speak of eating His Flesh & Blood…throughout Scripture, typically when people didn’t understand what He was trying to convey, Jesus would explain it further as a parable or restate His teaching -but regarding that basic Truth…He just let them go without further explanation. We are required to have faith. When we receive the Lord, we must be in a state of grace. Otherwise, we are condemning Him on the Cross, as His persecuters did and we will have to answer for that. He taught His disciples that at His Last Supper, then He started His Church with Peter as the first pope and those apostles were the first priests …of the holy Catholic Church.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, he didn’t say, “No, wait. Come back. There’s been some kind of misunderstanding. I was just speaking metaphorically.” He let the people go and asked Peter and the others of the 12 if they wanted to go too.
It’s clear to us now what Jesus was saying and He wasn’t just telling a parable this time. Peter made the leap of faith and stuck with Jesus, though he denied Jesus three times later on. Now there’s your first Pope for you … but with a little help Peter came back to trusting Jesus. I hope Francis gets the help he needs to make the choice he needs to make and has a better explanation for it than, “I’m not going to talk about it.” He needs to speak to us in words that convey exactly what he means to say so there is no misunderstanding.
SAE says
I’m with you, Cogito but I don’t think Pope Jorge is going to bring forth anything acceptable. All along it’s been nothing but confusion because I’m so anti liberal, I really struggle with all this. It’s interesting times that we are living in.
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum wrote:
Peter made the leap of faith and stuck with Jesus, though he denied Jesus three times later on. Now there’s your first Pope for you …
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CogitoErgoSum, the message I take away from Peter’s story is not that he was a jerk, but that even the best of us are all frightened and self-centered at times. Later he bravely faced martyrdom.
CogitoErgoSum says
Graven, yes, Peter was a human being. He could make mistakes the same as we all do at times but in matters of faith he always made the right choice. That’s where the idea of Papal infallibility comes in. Popes are men who can make mistakes in their actions but when they make an official announcement on matters of faith, Catholics believe they will always make the right choice under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. All Popes from Peter to Francis were men and the nature of man is to make mistakes. The nature of God is to provide men with the ability to overcome their mistakes if they place their faith in Him.
Wellington says
Beyond pathetic. It’s gotten to the point where it is understandable that a person would be embarrassed to say they are a Catholic.
I have defended the Catholic Church historically but I refuse to defend the contemporary Catholic Church because is has so lost its way. Indeed, it has actually become an instrument of harm.
Peggy says
I see a church as it’s followers not it’s clergy. People shouldn’t be embarrassed to say they are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Baptist etc. because people make the church.
It’s like loving your country but rejecting the current government. As long as the scripture is still good those trying to distort it will not be there forever.
Islam is something else. There is no hope there.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Peggy.
SAE says
gravenimage, CogitoErgoSum was not implying that (St.) Peter was a jerk. By the way, regarding his martyrdom, it is traditionally held that he was crucified UPSIDE DOWN at his own request, since he saw himself unworthy to be crucified in the same way as Jesus.
CogitoErgoSum says
No, I didn’t mean to imply that Peter was a jerk. I just meant that he was very human and I can identify with him quite easily. In fact, he is one of my favorite saints … but my very favorite is St. Joseph because of his kindness and understanding, his strength and his protection of Mary and Jesus. He is a great father figure. I wonder why there has never been a Pope Joseph (in the Roman Catholic Church).
gravenimage says
Cardinal: Pope has “bigger agenda” than dealing with sex abuse scandal, such as “protecting migrants”
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So he’d rather protect migrant rapists than the child victims of rapists–even when the molesters are with his own church? Just sick.
le mouron rouge says
The short answer is “yes.”
The Church of Rome has done everything in it’s power to cover up the rampant sexual immorality that has been going on for centuries.
gravenimage says
Grimly, you are not wrong.
The Diocese here in Oakland is still to date–to my knowledge–the only one that has ever apologized for the abuses of priests.
Paul says
That the pope does not want to discuss sexual scandals, that the Roman Catholic Church refuses to repent and clean up its own house regarding child rapists among priests and bishops, and those who protect them, this cardinal makes things even worse by first diverting attention from the sexual scandals towards “the pope has better things to do”, then to mention “immigrants” there, and finally to play the racism card by calling people dislike the pope because he’s a Latino.
How morally and spiritually corrupt and insensitive can you be?
gravenimage says
True–this takes a bad thing and makes it much worse.
le mouron rouge says
Wellington,
Good comment.
As a former Roman Catholic, I prefer not to use the general term “Catholic” as it’s somewhat misleading. The major issues with the Catholic Church are primarily with the “Roman Catholic Church” aka The Church of Rome vs the Eastern Rite Catholic Church.
“There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.”
– Proverbs 6:16-19 (ESV)
Wellington says
Well, le mouron rouge, I understand your point BUT just as if you’re in the ocean you’re on the menu, if you’re a part of the Catholic Church, whether Roman Rite or Eastern Rite, you are part of a very great problem in our time.
Terry Gain says
No Wellington, Catholics and other Christians and Jews and people of all faiths and non-faiths except evil Islam are the solution if we are faithful to the ideals of Christ. Nothing else offers a way out of the evil mess Marxists and Muslims have created.
Indiana Tom says
More or less.
Wellington says
Well, Terry, at least much of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church in our time is a MAJOR problem and since the Catholic Church is not a democracy (N.B., the Catholic world could have never invented the United States of America; it took the Protestant world {and at least a modicum of skeptics} to do this), the Catholic faithful are behind the religious eight ball to begin with to effect change.
On a related note, I would be interested in your proposals to enlighten non-Christians, who are also not Muslim, in how to follow the “ideals of Christ.” I would also register here that any polity which actually acted upon the “ideals of Christ” would not last very long.
Jesus functioned in a highly theoretical world. To put it mildly. But, and I’m sure this is where we can agree, far better that mankind look to Jesus for inspiration than to Mohammed.
Kepha says
And here’s why all in the ocean are on the menu. As a God-bless-King-Billy Protestant, I refuse to excuse Poope Frankie, McCarrick, his Chilean colleague, and all those collared guys in Pennsylvania who are now in trouble. But it isn’t just the Romans and Constantinopolitans–along with that Washington Rabbi who filmed women in the mikveh or Protestant clergy and youth workers who are also guilty of the abuse of their offices.
Secularism’s own established Church of Public Ejjikashun has also become a cesspool. I work in a system in which there was recently a number of scandals involving actual pedophilia of staff members on very young children. My own son’s 7th grade teacher took his liberties with boys in early adolescence. We are all aware of a growing number of female teachers busted for statutory rape (or was it initiating young males who have long been exposed to messages urging them explore and express their sexuality?). How about that “fighter for liberation” at #MeToo who admitted to seducing a 17pyear-old boy (no wonder Tony Bourdain hanged himself?).
In the 1970’s, there was a spate of popular books written by RC priests in which they basically bemoan how their “outdated church” had “unenlightened” views about sex and wept rivers of tears over their “guilt culture” in which they’d been raised–and, between the lines, this genre stank of the frustrations of men who clearly felt they’d been cheated out of “all the fun” of the sexual revolution. The priest-seducers and the adolescents they abused were all surrounded by a culture of sexual gratification in which the only rule is “if it feels good, do it (and never think about consequences)”. Could it be, that when such men get to be bishops in a hierarchical organization with its own code of omerta, they become “understanding” of men lower on the food chain who decide to settle for “second best”?
Some of my theological persuasion would gladly label the RCC as the Scarlet Whore of Babylon sitting on the Seven-Headed Beast of Revelation (and it seems that Poope Frankie and his minions are working overtime to prove them right). However, we’ve created a climate in which the air is saturated with messages to try all kinds of sexuality, wholesome or otherwise; and all of our institutions are affected.
Question for anyone who advocates for the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ yada yada: How come you aren’t cheering for those priests as brave pioneers of the next frontier of sexual liberation; the initiators of young males into the beauties of homosexuality; and as fighters who are cracking open a repressive institution?
And we wonder why we are being invaded by the religion and culture of bacha bazi, in which “anything goes” for dominant males?
“The One True Church” isn’t going to save us. Only God blessing the work of the Word and Spirit is going to do that. Christ gave his life as a ransom for many sinners (Mark 10:45) and rose on the third day, proving himself the Son of God (Rom. 1:1-5). That, in a nutshell, is why I am shocked and bothered by the drift of our culture and see it as set on a suicidal course. But the problem isn’t just one institution.
Yes, I know I sound P.O.’d. I really am, but not personally with anyone here.
gravenimage says
Kepha, your idea that anyone who is for sexual liberalism is a champion of child rape is *quite* mistaken.
Ecosse1314 says
The Pope actively sided with your “king billy” at the battle of the boyne 1690. Against the Rc King James the Seventh (and second)
Kepha says
@gravenimage: Re advocates of sexual liberalism and child rape, I make these observations.
Most of these cases of clerical abuse are “pedophilia” only because US law declares anyone under the age of eighteen a “child”. Generally, the victims were adolescent males.
But what is American adolescence these days? When my older brothers were young, it was shameful to “get a girl in trouble”; and the most progressive of the progressive reserved “fag” as the nastiest epithet in a very large arsenal of terms of abuse. I came of age as the sexual revolution was just taking off. Now, our adolescent males (I focus on them because I am male myself and teach high school) are daily bombarded with messages from media, academia, and even “educational” circles that “exploring” their sexuality and sexual experience are generally good and “healthy” (even if it results in your rectum getting torn up and fecal residue getting into your bloodstream, apparently). I believe that this leaves our young males vulnerable to the blandishments of both slimy older males and immoral adult women who give us those “shocking” stories of seductresses in the teaching profession.
I surely recognize the adults in these cases as offenders. While I don’t focus on them, the cases of little girls and pre-adolescent boys who are abused also horrify me no end (all the worse now that I am a grandfather with a granddaughter ready to enter 1st grade).
But, again, when we see young males at an age when the hormones are kicking in being seduced by older males, I see homosexual predation (which includes exploitation of the weaker party’s vulnerabilities) rather than pedophilia. And, I wonder, would the older offender, steeped as he might be in the sex-saturated climate in which we live, possibly be able to tell himself that he is an initiator rather than an offender; a little like how, in some pre-Christian Austronesian cultures, a respected older male friend of the father would be invited to ceremonially deflower a girl who had just begun to menstruate? [And you probably know by now that I am not the kind to justify a certain behavior because it is attested in the ethnological record.]
So, please forgive me for waxing a bit bitter and sarcastic.
@Ecosse 1314: As a history teacher, I thank you for the reminder that there’s plenty of evidence showing how the Papacy was long a merely political rather than spiritual thing. And I get how the monniker ties in with calling William’s father-in-law James Seventh and Second. I introduce his great-grandfather as James Sixth and First myself. I guess SIgnor Ottoboni (Alexander VIII) had reasons to worry about a Louis XIV getting too big for his abbreviated britches, no? The Holy Spirit, not the Pope, is the vicar of Christ.
James Lincoln says
I think we have reached the point in the United States where a person is more likely to admit that they voted for Donald Trump rather than to admit that they are Roman Catholic.
And that is saying something.
Terry Gain says
As a Catholic I am proud to say that I have always opposed Obama, Clinton and Pope Francis. I had hoped for a hero with better self control than Trump but it is what it is. I am not alone. We live in a very imperfect world. The Catholic Church is not perfect. Even MLK ( who had a beautiful wife) was a philanderer.
CogitoErgoSum says
The priests who committed the sexual abuse and the other clergy who covered for them are the ones who have walked away from the Church and those who wish to go with them should do so. The Church itself will remain and survive because the things these men have done are not in accordance with the teachings of the Church. If those teachings ever change to make right what is now so very wrong, I will walk away because being a member will no longer be honorable. These men have dishonored only themselves by rejecting and betraying Christ.
Wellington says
I would argue, CES, that Vatican II is the root of the problem afflicting the Catholic Church. It ushered in moral relativism, effectively destroyed the Latin Mass, implicitly embraced liberation theology, and did much other damage.
This is why I think it arguable that John XXIII is the one of the worst Popes of all time because he made the mistakes of mistakes, i.e., he tried to fix something that wasn’t broken. And Paul VI, who succeeded him, was nothing more than a bureaucratic Pope who wound up Vatican II, which ecumenical council haunts the Catholic world and the West at large to this very day. Indeed, while John Paul II and even more so Benedict XVI fought rearguard actions against Vatican II, Francis I, with all his foolhardiness, is the inevitable result of a Pandora’s Box that was opened which should have never been opened.
Always good to read your posts here at JW. Hope you and yours are doing well. Take care.
CogitoErgoSum says
Thank you, Wellington. I always enjoy reading what you have to say also.
The changes of Vatican II started while I was in the seventh grade. By the time I had graduated high school I felt that the Church I once knew no longer existed. Many people left the Church in the 1960’s because of all the changes. It’s to the point now that nuns teaching at a Catholic school is something of a rarity. Also, in the old days the priests seemed to me to be more masculine whereas many of the priests today seem rather effeminate. A different group of people with a different mindset took control of the Church after Vatican II and the fruit of that is what we are seeing today. Some of it good but in hindsight, I think most of it was bad.
I know there was also some bad in the old Church just as there is also some good in today’s Church. The Church is composed of human beings who are not perfect. Christ knew that and He taught his followers to forgive but with the admonition that if we fail we should always at least try to do better. That ability to forgive should extend to ourselves as well so that we never give up and then stop trying to do better.
I’m hoping that someday soon there will be another change take place within the Church that keeps the good of both the new and the old and the bad of both is left behind. I know we can do better than this.
May we both live long enough to see that day of change arrive though I’m afraid it will take longer than we have. In the meantime have hope and be well, my friend, and may we fight the good fight as brothers in arms.
Terry Gain says
StellaSaidSo says
Aug 29, 2018 at 4:57 pm
No, Islam is not the NWO. It is a weapon of the NWO. This has been explained several times on JW, by several different posters.
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Your “explanations” are not convincing. They amount to nothing more than assertions. Who are the leaders of this NWO and how many divisions do these Globalists control? Islam will squash them like a bug.
Wellington says
Seconded, Terry.
Indiana Tom says
NWO is a n informal and formal organization of collusion comprised of many groups ranging from he EU. George Soros, Communists, Antifa, Bohemian Club, Trilateralists, Bilderbergers, Skull and Crossbones, UN, CFR, Union Leaders, Hollyweird, Catholic and other liberal churches and many others. Patrick Henry was right. It would not necessarily be a conspiracy, but rather a collusion.
Terry Gain says
In other words, a disparate bunch without a constituency. This NWO conspiracy nonsense distracts us from the real threat, which is Islam.
The current leadership in the Catholic Church does not represent the faithful.
Peggy says
The current leadership in the Catholic Church does not represent the faithful
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Very true but they control the money which makes them dangerous.
Obama didn’t represent Americans but he did a lot of damage while in office.
Somehow, the faithful has to find a way to get rid of the rot in Vatican.
Carolyne says
Getting rid of the Vatican would be a better idea. Christ never visited Rome. Christ was not Italian, but Jewish. A practicing Jew, in fact. He had no vast organization to back him up and furnish Him with jewels and wealth, not to mention servants and “Housekeepers.” He had no little nuns embroidering clothing for him. Nor did he wear a funny hat which was fashioned after the bridge keepers in Italy and from whom the word “Pontif” derives. As the Catholic Church (Which was the only church at the time) grew, so did its power and so did its corruption.
The “Faithful” must find a way? Who are the “Faithful” now? Faithful to whom? Faithful to what?
StellaSaidSo says
Indiana Tom, you have correctly identified many of the leading NWO organisations and their agents.
The slow learners here will catch on eventually!
StellaSaidSo says
Terry Gain, you persist in advertising your ignorance on the matter of globalism, which you appear to think does not exist as a powerful force in the world. Perhaps you should spend a little time considering the public statements of individuals like G.H.W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, Peter Sutherland, Bill Gates, Pope Francis, and others who have made no secret of their support for the idea of global governance by a corporate and intellectual elite, and who have worked tirelessly over decades to achieve same. It is this cabal, not Islam, which is the real threat. Who do you think opened the door to the Muslim hordes? For someone who prides himself on being highly educated, you are pitifully uninformed.
SafeTea says
Whooo boy, does this lost soul Francis have a lot of splainin’ to do when he finally meets the very One he’s supposed to represent.
SAE says
He sure does, SafeTea! Mind boggling, isn’t it?
Peggy says
He doesn’t plan on meeting him.
His appointment is wit the fiery one.
SAE says
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FYI says
Yes,pope saint francis does indeed have a bigger agenda.
As an apostle of islam ,a demolisher of the catholic faith and a promoter of the NWO.
“St Francis was the Apostle of the ear” says pope saint francis in the latest Wim Wenders inaction packed movie about saint frankie’s greatness: a cunning PR attempt surely to conflate smiley Jorge Bergolio in the public mind with …St Francis. That makes it so much easier to fool the blind sheeple when..{well,see 2 Thessalonians 2 if you really must know or ignore it..as most people will}.
But the way has been prepared by Smiley Frankie.
the movie:-
pope francis: a man of his word.
Pope saint francis,so the PR spin goes, is the loveliest,nicest,most endearing sweetheart of a man that has ever lived:he has so much {stage-managed} love for the poor that it is simply amazing he doesn’t just sleep in a cardboard box in his vatican mansion with a camera crew to record such incredible solidarity with the poor.
The HUMILITY…the HOLINESS of the great man.If Frankie made himself a sandwich on his own it’s like ..WOW!..the HUMILITY of the man;everything he does is imbued with some deep spiritual significance.It’s the cult of the holy father.And it’s nonsense.
I laughed recently when I read that his recent 32 hour visit to Ireland is costed at about 32millioneuro{20 million paid for by the wealthy churchmen,5 million for security,the rest due from the Government}Apparently homeless people had to move out to make way to accomodate the papal visitors who came to see the Man Who Loves The Poor.
1 million euros an hour:imagine if that went to..the poor.Why didn’t pope saint francis use Skype?:probably because the morally bankrupt,pedo-protecting,scandal-mongering,extremely wealthy, Christless ,catholic hierarchy of that land needed to feel good about themselves with a Big Show.
“St Francis was the Apostle of the Ear” says pope saint francis
That may well be true about St Francis,but pope saint francis appears to be..
“The apostle of the missing earpiece”
Scandals?Cover up?How much money wasted on my visit that could have gone to the poor?haah?cardinal mccarrick?Sorry..I can’t hear you?ha?whaaaat?
pope saint francis: a man of his word?
{insert picture here of smiley frankie with his famous thumbs-up}
Let us see…let us pray…that they don’t get to prey…
SAE says
FYI, even before your excellent movie review of that ridiculous tale; Pope Francis, A Man of His Word, I had no desire to waste my time nor money on that hooey. ?However, there’s another documentary that’s supposed to be coming to the U.S. (it has already been shown in Western Canada), titled the Vatican Deception. Now that one, I have time for!
somehistory says
The pope has an enormous time to waste on washing the feet of moslims….visiting their barracks…making sure the governments all know they must keep allowing grown males pretending to be refugee children into the various countries and giving them free food, free housing, free medical care and money besides…
he doesn’t have time to spare on the children and young adults who are being raped and molested by those in his religion, those who have been set as examples of “godliness” and to whom everyone is supposed to look to and admire…to care about the children.
he has so much time to preach to those who consider themselves Christian, and make a big fuss because these are not willing to ask potential murderers and rapists into their homes, villages, towns and cities…he just doesn’t have the time, and
he doesn’t care enough to try to put an end to a practice that has been going on for countless years.
There are judges in courts who go light on those who rape and molest little children…giving them probation or 3 months in jail….for horrendous crimes against little kids…it would seem these are themselves a part of the group of people who see it as their right to do this.
Who really knows how the pope feels about little kids being raped….by his charges? Perhaps he sees nothing wrong with it. If he’s too “busy” with trying to control governments and their people in regards to moslims and the climate, then perhaps he sees no wrong in what is being done to the children.
After all…the group of people he’s fighting the hardest for are those who make a practice of raping children.
utis says
When the shepherd pays more attention to the well-being of other people’s sheep, it’s time to hire a new shepherd. Pope Pennywise needs to be retired.
Ric says
Ironically, pedophilia is within the tenets of Islam; one suspects its accepted within the Catholic clergy. The Pope, he is another story, a fetid one at that. Francis holds more concern for Muslim migrants than Christians slaughtered by Islamists. He has more regard for the NWO’s Globalism and the eventual overthrowing of Western Democracies by Liberal Progressivism’s totalitarianism. Consequently, the West’s subjugation to Islam. No one then would dare question Catholicism’s penchant or advocacy of pedophilia.
Francis is not a Christian, the Vicar of Christ; he is a Marxist, a godless man bent on the ruination of Judaism, Christianity, and other religions, excepting, Islam. Roman Catholicism will, not unlike Western Civilization, die a slow agonizing end, if Francis, Soros, the EU, and Democrats get their way.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Bacherbazistan says
The only reason Pope Francis is getting a free pass from the MSM on the exCardinal McCarrick scandal is because he plays ball with the NWO agenda. Otherwise they’d be giving him the Trump treatment. Definitive proof that he is a globalist minion, just in case there was any lingering doubt.
StellaSaidSo says
Spot on, Bacherbazistan.
The reason Bergoglio got the gig in the first place was his willingness to comply with the NWO agenda.
Paul says
The Roman Catholic Church already had to pay more than 1.3 BILLION dollar to more than 1800 victims of sexual abuse by clergy of the RCC, which are only a tiny minority of the total number of people that have been sexually abused by RCC clergy.
And they think they have more important things to worry about??
Paul says
And to all the Roman Catholics on this forum, don’t talk about The Church, when you’re addressing the Roman Catholic Church only, it’s arrogant.
CogitoErgoSum says
I suppose you would prefer I call it a “Den of Thieves” but actually it was the first and only Church until the Great Schism of 1054. As far as I know the Roman Catholic Church has no problem with the Eastern Church calling itself the Church. I’m not certain what each of the Protestant denominations call themselves, though I suspect that each one considers itself “The Church” though all are actually splinters of the one Church. Christ Himself wanted only one, unified Church. See John 17:20-23. Dividing the Church goes against the will of Christ.
Terry Gain says
Actually Paul, it’s historical. Matthew 16:18.
Paul says
Mat 16:18 “18 And I tell you that you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.”
It does not mention Roman Catholic Church, now does it?
DogOnPorch says
Islam’s Pope.
pumbar says
The Church is finished.
CogitoErgoSum says
Time to be born again.
Rarely says
Hallelujah Brother. I come to save the soul of the sinner and restore the sheep to the fold.
pumbar says
‘Time to be born again’. I’ve done it once, it was a bit messy and a little embarrassing. I don’t think I would like to do it again, plus, I’m a lot bigger than I was back then.
George says
Pope Francis is not Latino, but born of Italian immigrants.
SAE says
…and Pope Jorge is from a realm where Liberation Theology has infested the seminaries and the Church.
Roopak Vaidya says
For those interested in the history of the church in India, please watch this YouTube video:
https://youtu.be/6nEseljBZ-c
Giacomo Latta says
Protecting migrants? More like protecting his band of pedophilic merry men from deserved allegations and convictions.
Carolyne says
Celibacy is an unnatural lifestyle. It was not a doctrine taught by Christ, but by St. Paul who never met Christ during his life time. He saw a vision on the Road to Damascus while he was out collecting taxes. He said that it was better for a man not to marry but if he must, to go ahead and marry. It was the Second Lateran Council in 1139 which decreed that priests should be celibate–1,000 after the beginning of Christianity.
I once had a Catholic friend who’s best friend was the mistress of a Catholic priest and she moved with him from parish to parish as his “Housekeeper.” When I asked why they didn’t just get married, I was told “It’s against our religion.” What nonsense. Go figure.
I do not consider the Pope of Rome to have any special status. He is just another human who’s bodily functions are the same as any other man. He adheres to an archaic belief which has no place in the modern world. And if he believes his crackpot ideas about Muslims and Climate change are more important than the welfare of children being abused by his minions is not of utmost importance, he is not even a decent human, but is an evil man who should be replaced at least by a kind person
I once heard that one of the Popes said that women could not be priests because they do not resemble Christ. Well, neither do pedophiles. Using that criteria, should all employees of KFC look like chickens? Bah. Humbug..
andrew mckendrick says
Bible readings at Mass 30th August….Corinthians 1:1 -9… matthew 24:42-51…Psalm 144 (145) :2-7
TL says
I would read a little farther in Mt. 15 first. JC says in v24 that he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. Very few Christians have ever counted as such. In v26, JC says that it isn’t right to give the children’s food to dogs.The children are the Israelites, of course, which means that other goyim are dogs. In v27, the superstitious Canaanite dog accepts the insult and begs for scraps from one of her masters, i.e. from an Israelite. Our prototalmudist relents in v28.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+15&version=NABRE
Peggy says
The “Faithful” must find a way? Who are the “Faithful” now? Faithful to whom? Faithful to what?
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Hi Carolyn,
Faithful to Christ and the church and by that I mean to the people who make up the church.
I definitely don’t mean faithful to any clergy.
Christ and the followers are the church, not buildings and fancy robes.
Lydia Church says
The devil infiltrated at the time of Constantine, which resulted in the Catholic church and all the evils that have come from it since that time.
It is NOT Christianity.
Please, please, read the Bible. Get a King James Version, 1611 is best.
Richard Courtemanche says
So, the Pope isn’t very multi-tasking even with all his bureaucrats.
Henry Jones says
Tanslation: “Damnit, only WHITE priests get to rape children. Ill be damned if some brownie is gonna take over. You’re not catholic, then you dont get the right spread the holy spirit to the children”
Brian says
Really? How many refugees are currently in Vatican City?
MrLogical says
This pope was foretold:
He’s the anti-Christ.
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MrLogical says
This pope and the Catholic Church are demonstrating that we need to ‘tax the Church.’
At least the Catholic Church.
Corrupt to the core.
Blasphemers.
Devon Drake says
This POOP needs to be FLUSHED, back to the SEWER he crawled up out of.
Blather says
The Catholic church is a man’s church. God be damned!