UPDATED AUG 25, 2018:
Visa and MasterCard have backed down and will now process donations to the David Horowitz Freedom Center, but the battle is far from over.
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Like many people, my inbox has been flooded by concerned citizens about David Horowitz and Robert Spencer over MasterCard and Visa, blocking their flow of revenue needed for daily operations. Spencer stated:
This is getting very serious. It won’t stop with David Horowitz or me. The Left is moving quickly to silence all dissenting voices in the run-up to the 2018 elections. The freedom of speech is the foundation of a free society, and it is rapidly being destroyed in the United States.
To add to the heartfelt concerns of those who respect the work of these stalwart defenders of freedom and human rights, all citizens would do well to recognize that the actions of MasterCard and Visa are also a slap in the face to their customers. These companies have infringed upon the rights of anyone who supports the cause of freedom and the efforts of Horowitz and Spencer. Customers who choose to donate to these necessary initiatives have been told that they are financing “hate” and therefore are stripped of their right to donate. They have been dictated to by MasterCard and Visa, who are acting as if they do not have the right to think for themselves as long as they want to use the services of MasterCard and Visa.
As totalitarianism overshadows America, no one can say that they were not forewarned. Both Horowitz and Spencer have been sounding the alarm for years; the Muslim Brotherhood plan for North America has been public knowledge for years. Its Explanatory Memorandum is expansive and detailed in describing its mission:
“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”
9/11 “mastermind” Khalid Sheik Mohammed stated:
“We will win because Americans don’t realize . . .we do not need to defeat you militarily; we only need to fight long enough for you to defeat yourself by quitting.”
Mohammed was correct. Far too many citizens of the West have quit — they take their freedoms of granted and are in denial, having not learned the lesson of history that fascism is insidious and does not take control of societies suddenly, as many seem to think. Its invasion is methodical and gradual.
Some examples of how businesses have joined the totalitarian initiative:
Kellogg Co. announced on November 2016 its decision to pull ads from Breitbart “because its 45,000,000 monthly conservative readers are not ‘aligned with our values as a company.’” Here we see Kellogg’s attempting to control the thoughts of citizens and impose its values on consumers. Fortunately, Breitbart “launched a #DumpKelloggs petition and called for a boycott of the ubiquitous food manufacturer, which lead to plummeting stock and reported $53 million loss in the fourth quarter.” The arrogance of Kellogg Co. was astounding, with CEO John Bryant claiming that the company’s massive losses were just a “coincidence” and not due to the boycott.
In the three months following Kellogg’s war against Breitbart:
the company has faced allegations of racism toward factory workers and has been accused of allegedly profiting from the use of child labor. Its non-profit W.K. Kellogg Foundation’s ties to radical anti-American billionaire George Soros, hate group Black Lives Matter, and deceased Cuban dictator Fidel Castro have been exposed, and the Michigan-based company is set to shutter dozens of distributions centers and lay off more than 1,100 full-time employees.
Last August, Paypal decided that it, too, wanted to interfere with freedom of speech and thought. The company cancelled Jihad Watch’s account, but it was reinstated not long afterward after public outrage. Meanwhile, the Islamic State used PayPal to send money to jihadis inside the U.S., but that revelation wasn’t enough to stop Paypal from pontificating in its letter announcing its reinstatement of the Jihad Watch account:
PayPal’s Acceptable Use Policy in our User Agreement prohibits individuals and groups from using PayPal for activities that promote hate, violence, or racial intolerance.
This is a key statement, as Jihad Watch is not a hate site. It is a news aggregate and commentary site dedicated to exposing the broad range of human rights abuses committed in the name of Islam, and reports from a range of news sites are referenced. Take, for example, a few recent Jihad Watch headlines:
- Catholic Relief Services distributed US food aid to al-Qaeda jihadists in Syria (reference: Irin News)
- Turkish: Deputy from ruling party accuses imprisoned American pastor of looting Iraq’s gold (Ahval News-Turkey)
- Ethiopia: Muslims murder 15 Christian priests, torch ten churches (World Watch Monitor)
- Turkey’s former Deputy Prime Minister: “Hey America, your death is approaching” (Stokholm Center for Freedom)
- The Islamic State releases new audio purportedly of caliph al-Baghdadi encouraging jihad attacks in Canada (Associated Press)
- London: 3-year-old rushed to emergency surgery following botched FGM operation (Breitbart)
- Uganda: Church closes after months of Islamic jihad attacks (Morning Star News)
- Muslim leader: Establishing an Islamic state “requires the conquest of America, Britain, Russia, France, and Italy” (MEMRI)
- UN report: “ISIS is back” and prepared for “war” (Express)
- Canada: MP Maxime Bernier quits to start new conservative party, citing “extreme multiculturalism,” “fake Conservatives” (CTV News-Canada)
- Netherlands: Former MP commits suicide, says she was gang-raped by Muslims who asked, “Do you respect Allah?” (Daily Mail)
These are but a mere few examples, but they go on and on. What normal citizen can point out the “hate” in exposing such news? Every single day, reports emerge from the four corners of the earth about human rights abuses committed in the name of Islam, Islamic supremacist incursions into once-peaceful countries, the slaughter and injury of innocent people committed in the name of Islam, and jihad attacks. If reporting and discussing these facts are an offense to Muslims and deemed to be “hateful” and “racist,” then we need to have serious open discussions about why and how this is so. But there is a strenuous effort to shut down all discussion of these matters.
Meanwhile, who remembers or cares about the victims? Jihad Watch, the Horowitz Center and others that are unashamed to stand for human rights and who are grateful to those who died in the cause of freedom. Fierce battles have been waged against fascism, and if history has taught us anything, we should know that fascist regimes endeavor to control the thoughts and words of their people, as does the Southern Poverty Law Center today. The SPLC has mutated into a hate group itself. In the words of its former spokesman Mark Potok, who spent 20 years as an SPLC senior fellow (according to LinkedIn):
Sometimes the press will describe us as monitoring hate groups, I want to say plainly that our aim in life is to destroy these groups, completely destroy them.
As reported by Breitbart:
The David Horowitz Freedom Center has had their donation processing system blocked by Visa and Mastercard allegedly following a campaign by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Visa has since contacted Breitbart News to deny involvement in the blacklisting of the Freedom Center.
It is by degrees that totalitarians manage to seize control. The establishment media becomes a mouthpieces of the people in power, and soon, the population becomes enslaved to their ideologies, as we see with Islamofascism. It is abusive, oppressive and aims to silence all dissent as it marches against the House of War in order to subvert it and bring it into the House of Islam. This 1,400-year-old doctrine has infiltrated the West in the private and public sectors, and the Muslim Brotherhood, in accordance with its memorandum, has managed to redefine “hate” to mean any criticism of Islam.
Now Horowitz and Spencer stand accused of “hate,” without any semblance of justice or due process. MasterCard and Visa have bowed to the totalitarian impulse, and in so doing have also indicted their customers. This will continue, if there is no resistance. Let’s hope that boycotts and class action suits will soon be in the offing, prompted by both consumers and the leaders of conservative organizations.
DHazard says
What’s scary is that the companies are not looking at the bottom line, a practice that has served millions of people well, but instead looking at avoiding possible public conflict and ill will. But it’s a savagely clever move by the left to completely expel the enemy from the public arena. Add a little white guilt to this battle plan and you are on your way to near total victory. Imagine a virtual Hugo Chavez, made up of millions of internet leftists (the early Hugo Chavez), and recall the disaster he brought upon the citizens of Venezuela by promising to screw the rich and replace it with a socialist paradise. This is what we are seeing, the dissolution of integrity and the implementation of “protections”.
RonaldB says
I think you nailed it. It gets dangerous when the companies are not interested in the profits. But somehow, when the dust clears, they have expanded their operations.
I personally think the way to get them is through common law class action suits. A business supplier, particularly with a significant share of the market, can’t take actions designed to hurt customers or competitors without a significant business reason.
I would also bring suit based on the same anti-trust provisions, which say a monopoly or near monopoly can’t try to shape the market other than provide services competitively.
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Ric says
Excellent post, agreed; bringing suit based on anti-Trust provisions is a probability that may have teeth. The actions of these companies surely are illegal; if not why not? It is an indicator of where this Republic is heading, if ‘We the People’ remain complacent. David Horowitz is not wrong; it is another step toward totalitarianism.
gravenimage says
Yes–scary when ideology trumps even profits for these companies.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
When ideology trumps profits, what’s left is socialism.
ever moore says
These companies seem to think that they are INFALLIBLE in all their political opinions.
What do credit card companies know about the HORRORS of JIHAD or the HORRORS of BRUTAL SHARIA LAW?
They know noting and the are uninterested in learning… helping them to become ENSLAVED soon by Islam
Keith W. Jordan says
As is well known, anyone who is not socialist is hateful. Case closed.
orville clift says
…or communism.
jule says
Isn’t there still an IRF Law group for defense?
Norger says
Well said.
Lydia Church says
It’s a clamp down.
I have boycotted companies like Kelloggs before, for other reasons, but these add to them.
The thing is, I am seeing this sort of thing all over the place. They don’t put a stop to terrorist activities that are true ‘hatred’, but rather come after those exposing the real hate.
They promote evil and wickedness all across the board in a domino effect.
At one point, all the credit card companies, all the banks, all the social media platforms will be on board with their evil agenda openly. If one wished to boycott, there would be no bank to use anymore. That would be the case all around. Jobs, education, etc.
But it will get worse than that. It will come down to them boycotting us if we don’t go along with them! And of course I will never do that. I am prepared to suffer the consequences. This is the time to figure it out. Principle number one is to stand up for what you believe no matter what. There is power in numbers that way. Never retreat and never surrender. But just in case it gets bad quick, and people like me will not back down, we need to be prepared. We will be locked out of functional society at some point. It is easier for them to do by the day with all things controlled by technology more and more. And that is what they want; stranglehold control for the new world order.
First of all, as I always say; put your faith in Jesus and read the Bible.
In addition, a few suggestions for those who are able:
* Try to curtail things and live simple. Eliminate as much as you can, especially what is not necessary, such as entertainments and other luxuries. Just to get used to life that way.
*Try to find a way to live off of the land. I know some who have bought land with water and can fish and farm and live independently that way if need be. The Amish do it, the Indians did it. It is possible.
*Take a few classes in survival skills, go camping a few times and try to break these skills in.
*Take first aid classes. Get a good first aid kit and other emergency supplies.
*Make an emergency plan. Do you have family you can go to in case it is necessary?
*Sell as much as you can and cut back.
*Cut down on things that are bad for you.
*Buy emergency supplies, a sleeping bag, backpack, tent, water, sturdy clothes and shoes, etc.
Don’t think that money will be the solution either, because once they roll out the mark of the beast, all of that form of transaction will come to a screeching halt. You won’t even be able to fill your car’s tank with gas anymore without the mark.
But remember, primitive people have survived for a long time before all these modern inventions came along, it can be done.
Just something to think about.
Indiana Tom says
The Amish do not quite live as simple of a life as you think.
You have to remember our farm used to sell eggs to the Amish and not the other way around. Amish have more conveniences than you think and are more dependent on the outsiders than is usually known.
StellSaidSo says
Good advice, Lydia. I wish more people could see what is coming as clearly as you see it.
Ronald Gene Nelson says
They want our guns and control over us.
Rufus T. Firefly says
The issue stems from the left’s conquest of every level of our educational system. Today’s corporate executives have been inculcated in leftist politically correct thought. They are using their positions of power to virtue signal as they seek to shut down dissent.
jihad3tracker says
******* I SAID THIS EARLY TODAY (FRIDAY) BUT WILL REPEAT IT *******
Tell everyone you know about what is happening to Robert Spencer, and include a hotlink to his item above.
Also, if by some remote chance a local news station you watch (in a not-too-big town) has one or two reporters whom you respect as being neutral — NOT OBVIOUSLY BIASED TO THE LEFT —
Tell them about it, giving Robert’s link, and letting them know of the several prior posts he has made here on Jihad Watch.
jihad3tracker says
NOTE — Even though your favorite TV station news department is small, if the station is AFFILIATED with one of the large networks, that reporter’s coverage of Robert’s situation MIGHT GET PICKED UP TO BE AIRED ON A BIG NETWORK.
Yes, a long shot, but we need to do everything to spread the word — FAST.
J D S says
The leftist socialist will not stop till they have stopped Robert and others who are trying their best to keep us informed.
I’m too old to still be around when the leftist socialist balloon burst and the go down with everyone else…..Now will that not be till the end time or will it be when Islam has taken over that is, if our so called leaders don’t do a turn around and put some stop to Islamist. That sure would be something wouldn’t it….Still I’d sure like to be around when the balloon burst.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Big business should not be enforcing the law. Laws should be enforced by the justice system. If no laws are broken then these businesses are playing a dangerous game by trying to enforce an ill defined moral standard/code.
It’s clear that this is being done to avoid any embarrassing associations with marginal, unsavoury groups. But the corporations involved should have done their homework because now they may face the embarrassment they were trying to avoid.
StellaSaidSo says
It’s worse than that, Flavius. It is being done to suppress truth. People have woken up to the diabolical plans of the globalist elites, who have suffered several significant set-backs recently (not least of which was the election of DJT), and who now want to exert their remaining power and regain control before they sustain further losses (eg the mid-terms, the spread of ‘populism’). These repressive measures – the persecution of Tommy Robinson, the banning of InfoWars and other conservative broadcasters, the tampering with elections, the REAL fake news’, and ANTIFA – all emanate from the same source.
carpediadem says
They are not enforcing any laws, they are relying on lies promulgated by a hate centre that is defaming those who fight the genocidal activities of Islam.
This is mob rule, extortion and boycott.
susan says
So which credit cards are better?
gravenimage says
American Express, Capital One, and CitiBank come to mind. I’m sure there are others.
CogitoErgoSum says
I’ve tried commenting here three times now and nothing will post. My apologies if those attempts turn up as duplicates later.
StellaSaidSo says
I have experienced similar problems – some posts simply don’t appear at all, or appear only after a delay, and there is no provision to remain signed in. Something still isn’t right with the system at JW.
gravenimage says
Yes, guys–it looks like the technical problems are ongoing. I’ve had trouble posting myself.
jen says
Except for AE, those are BANKS issuing MC and VISA. Citi , CapitalOne – are not different cc companies — see, the banks issue the cards — There are 4 kinds — the two main cards are VISA and MC, the other two are AE and Discover.
If you have a Cap-1 or Citibank, look on the card — it’s either a visa or a MC. That’s why this is so dangerous. There is only MC, visa, Discover, and American Express. The rest are just the names of the banks that issue the card — like Wal-Mart is not another Kellogg’s — it’s just the store that sells Kelloggs, if that makes any sense.
Sorry — I’m not explaining this well. Hope you got the main point.
Indiana Tom says
I follow Breitbart, The Truth About Guns, Jihad Watch, NRA, Billy Graham Organization and others. All have more in common than what you might think and all are under attack by the Red Green Axis.
Ian Barnett says
Can you issue court injunctions against those concerned to stop them enforcing their so called policy, pending civil court ruling on your situation. There are after all public interest issues.
Westman says
“Visa has since contacted Breitbart News to deny involvement in the blacklisting of the Freedom Center.”
That is impossible since financial institutions can only offer Visa services by permission of VISA. It is within the legal authority of Visa to suspend all Visa operations within any Visa service provider for injecting politics into its operation.
So the Horowitz Center now has Visa services? Visa said it didn’t block them.
Until Visa instructs its institutional providers that their operations will be terminated if they blacklist operators without Visa approval this disclaimer by Visa should be considered an outright lie.
The Remorseless Headsman says
I wonder what the response would be if everyone opposed to VISA and MasterCards actions just sent a brief note instead of their next payment.. “Sorry, we will no longer subsidize your war against Conservatives, consider this account in default. Perhaps you should ask Mr. Soros to cover the balance”. With billions of dollars on the line, they might reconsider their actions. Like Germany sending billions to Russia for natural gas and then (Germany) expecting us to protect them from big bad Russia. Screw all of them. I’ll pay my other bills (until such time that they begin to employ squeeze tactics) as agreed.
gravenimage says
Citizens beware: MasterCard and Visa cross the line into totalitarian thought control
Last August, Paypal decided that it, too, wanted to interfere with freedom of speech and thought. The company cancelled Jihad Watch’s account, but it was reinstated not long afterward after public outrage.
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Everyone here should write MasterCard and Visa. Be polite, but make your outrage clear.
They may back down as Paypal did.
gravenimage says
I was right!
Here’s the news today:
“MasterCard and Visa back down, will again process donations to David Horowitz Freedom Center”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/08/mastercard-and-visa-back-down-will-again-process-donations-to-david-horowitz-freedom-center#comment-1970305
PABLO says
If VISA did not cut off the Freedom Center, then the licensed VISA service provider should be terminated from issuing VISA cards or the person/persons responsible has/have to be fired.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“US ‘redirecting’ $200 million in aid from West Bank and Gaza”
https://www.rt.com/usa/436797-redirecting-aid-gaza-palestinians/
tedh754 says
Reminds me of “Fitna,” the short film by Geert Wilders. It just shows Islamic preachers doing what they do best, preaching hatred and death to non-Muslims. And for that it was said that Wilders was inciting hatred. So to call out Muslims for their hate is hateful. How Orwellian.
Heidi says
One way to fight back is to cancel your visa and master card, let them know why you are canceling and get a credit card that has more integrity which is what I am going to do along with spreading the word.
Del says
Pay off your balance every month, that way, they don’t make as much income. We all know they screw businesses by charging fees which make all our stuff more expensive. Dump the useless cards that charge for shit like travel or miles or ??. My 2 cards, 1 – Visa, 1 – Mastercard, are both No Fee cards and I make a payment almost as soon as I use them. I haven’t paid credit card interest in years and have saved thousands compared to the average user. Better yet, pay cash.
gravenimage says
We do the same, Del.
somehistory says
Revelation tells us that just before this evil system is destroyed, the “wild beast out of the sea” will force people to wear “the mark of the beast” in order for the people to continue to “buy and sell.”
It says that unless a person has the “mark” that person will not be allowed to “buy and sell.”
Indiana Tom says
Not as far fetched as once believed.
somehistory says
I used to wonder how it would come about.
Lisa says
I am just sent this to my mastercard company. Sorry, got David H wrong in my furor! Feel free to copy and send to your MC, after correcting.
I understand that Mastercard has refused service to The David Horowitz Foundation and Jihad Watch. I am very much against businesses performing this kind of censorship, especially when it is completely undeserved. I have read Jihad Watch for years and not once found a lie, a threat or a call for violence in any of Robert Spencer’s writings. He reports on very important events that are hushed by other sources.
This is not about my personal service. I have been happy with it so far. However, if your organization continues to use your platform for silencing needed voices, I will stop doing business with you. I hope to see these accounts re-established immediately.
RonaldB says
Thank you.
When PayPal suddenly kicked Vdare.com off their account, I canceled my account with PayPal. Believe it or not, there was not place for feedback on the PayPal website. Usually when you cancel a card, they break in and speak to you, or at least give you s survey. In that case, nothing.
As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, these mega-companies simply don’t care about individual customers. The billionaire owners/CEOs jet around the world, making deals with the likes of Merkel for the expansion of their markets on the condition no boat is rocked. The individual customer in one country is simply too tiny for them to focus on. Plus, as also referred to above, there is a large amount of cultural-Marxist philosophy that has permeated these Asperger billionaires who have no sense whatsoever for a real individual making choices. Significantly, Marx, the “philosopher” of the “working class” actively disliked and abused any actual working class people who were unlucky enough to come into contact with him.
Parenthetically, PayPal reinstated Vdare.com and I registered, for convenience, for another PayPal account.
Jack Holan says
Robert, We still have access to MC, VISA and AMAZON All have Gift Cards that will have a limited value for Our Hero’s. Also Moneygram Money Orders Personal Checks, metals and so on can be used to fund them. The most obvious problem is an immediate user friendly financial platform. However VISA & MC will screw up when they help the EU circumvent American Law to trade and fund IRAN. ALSO, i’d Keep a good notebook on the Board and CEO of both Companies
Dan Knight says
Truth = Hate, and
Hate = ‘Truth’
Thanks to the Left, we truly live in an Orwellian age despite the ‘internet’ – really the Google-net and a tiny fraction of servers for everyone else.
Lydia Church says
“We will invade and infiltrate the muslim countries…“sabotaging” its miserable house by their own hands and the hands of the believers (us), so that it is eliminated and God’s religion; Christianity, is made victorious over all other religions.”
~Lydia Church
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brane pilot says
Where is the Republican party?
These people are absolutely worthless.
Neither political party in the USA will stand up for the US Constitution.
They just sit on the sidelines and throw mud at a POTUS.
CSader says
C’mon! Post links to where we can e-mail and call them and complain to them! For shame, for shame, for shame!
TWG says
Good grief, csader. Why don’t you lift a paw and look up the contact info. and post it in your comment?
Learn how to internet.
Shame on YOU.
gravenimage says
TWG is right–you can look up contact information yourself. Jihad Watch has nothing to be ashamed about.
Lars says
I think it ‘s time to declare war on the hidden societies (Freemasons, Bilderberg, Illuminati etc.) who are the real enemies and masterminds behind these freedom hating actions.
StellaSaidSo says
It is already happening. The globalist agenda has been exposed, mainly via the internet. Brexit is part of the war, Trump’s election also. And Kurtz’s and Salvini’s and Orban’s.
The recent draconian censorship initiatives are an attempt by the NWO globalist elites to prevent any further spreading of the truth. It is vital that we – the ‘useless eaters’ – remain ignorant of what is about to hit us.
Garfield says
humanity ventures….soros’ new partnership with mastercard….hmmmm….
gordon miller says
Try PayPal. They’re relatively clean.
Del says
How do you send cash to Paypal? We have to use credit cards. That is what this whole banning free speech thing is about. Canadian Liberals are doing it through Islamic terrorists in the Liberal Party members Khalid and Alghabra using M-103 to ban any mention of Islam by Canadians. Trudeau as also made a deal with Facebook to monitor and manipulate social media before the next election.
There is only one guaranteed way to protect our freedoms from shit like the SPLC , Liberals and Democrats and the radical leftists know what caliber works well.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
For those who think Paypal is your friend, remember that it is owned by eBay, another corporate giant with leftist-globalist loyalties.
gravenimage says
Gordon, PayPal actually banned Robert Spencer at one point as well:
“Jihad Watch director blasts PayPal after brief ban: ‘I know where they stand'”
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/22/robert-spencer-of-jihad-watch-blasts-paypal-after-/
FYI says
@rezali You mean the koran that TOTALLY contradicts the Bible{the Torah +Gospel}?
The “koran is right” you say?
The Bible{… that allah claims to have written} is contradicted by the koran …{that allah claims to have written}
Can you see the problem with that or is it too much cognitive dissonance for the islamic mind to deal with{like that sixth commandment which allah himself doesn’t get and moslems never obey?}
“he hath revealed unto thee muhammed the scripture{koran},confirming that which was revealed before it{Bible}even as he revealed the Torah and Gospel”
koran 3:3
Except the koran doesn’t confirm the Bible :it DENIES it!!
koran 3:3 is FALSE
It contradicts EVERYTHING written in the Bible.The koran contradicts both the Torah and the Gospel.
that koran:the “perfect” book?
“the koran is right”?:the koran doesn’t even agree with God’s Commandments,gets Christian theology completely wrong,misunderstands the God-given role of those Jews{“apes to be despised and hated” k2:65} and contradicts both the Torah{ via Moses the JEW}and the Gospel{via Jesus Christ the JEW}
LOL
God gave the muslims brains:the moslem god “allah”{who is NOT the biblical God}who is the self-confessed “best of deceivers” k3:54 clearly doesn’t want muslims to use them.
God gave the muslims tongues:allah the deceiver prefers them to bear false witness
{something which is clearly condemned by the Commandments of God in the very Bible that allah claims to have written but which he CONTRADICTs in his koran ..which he also claims to have written}
As for these globalist,predatory,parasitic scumbag corporations and billionaire “philanthropists” they won’t survive the Apocalypse{which is in the very Bible that allah in koran 10.94 tells your “prophet” muhammed to consult for reference!Yet alalh reveals in k4:171 that he denies that aspect of God through which prophecy comes.Hilarious and ridiculous!}
Part of God’s Justice,revealed in Revelations 18 will be economic:that Apocalypse hasn’t happened.Yet.
“And if thou muhammed art in doubt concerning that which WE reveal unto thee{the koran}then question those who read the scripture that was before thee{the..BIBLE!}”
Koran 10:94
It’s very simple really but it appear to be beyond the capacity of the islamic mind to fathom.
2 options.
1 {allah} is the Same as {the Biblical God of Moses}
[if that was so allah would not CONTRADICT the Bible nor would he be so ludicrously anti-semitic k2:65:allah reveals in the koran that he doesn’t even know where Biblical prophecy comes from k4:171
And he would not tell moslems that its OK to break the commandments nor would he contradict the 2nd chief commandment in k5:5]
The curtain falls down..and the Wizard of Oz is revealed to be.. a Fake!Like “allah” the self-confessed champion deceiver k3:54.And it has to be admitted that yes, the moslem god “allah” is indeed,very good at deceiving people{which he happily admits to ..in k3:54}
2 {allah} is NOT the same as {the Biblical God of Moses}
That’s the obvious Truth.
And many muslims are finding that out..thanks to the internet.It requires some effort{KNOWLEDGE}and the ability to differentiate between “allah” of the koran and The Biblical God( of Moses,of Jesus}{WISDOM}The jihadists ,the idiot converts and the naive won’t want to do that:it is easier for them to remain in denial and in wilful ignorance.
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StellaSaidSo says
It is extraordinary indeed, FYI, that anyone in the 21stC takes seriously the nonsense known as the KORAN. One would have thought by now that humans would be able to spot such obvious b/s from miles away, especially given the amount of information available about its origins. But apparently there is no limit to the depths of human stupidity and depravity, as the likes of the delusional rezali amply demonstrate.
J says
Mastercard and Visa should be sued for discrimination.
bitcounter says
When big companies take these kinds of actions and stop people from using their services, it’s not the “victim(s)” they are concerned with, it’s the possibility they might be sued by some islamo or islamo-support-organisation and to hush it up they have to settle out of court and need to pay millions in “damages”, to the -poor- victems. THATS WHY!!! It’s standard practice and the victims have unlimited resources for doing this.
And the is also contributing to the “bottom line”.
So that one blocked individual is a smaller loss, and preferable. So what is this will make some of their customers unhappy. But hey, millions are millions!!!!!
Indiana Tom says
What is an M15?
Airsoft?
Armalite semi auto version of m16?
Chand says
Visa and Mastercard are now the ‘Totalitarian Left’??!!
Now are I’m really confused!
I thought they were mortal enemies of the ‘Left’.
Actually I think the reason is more simple. These companies want to profit from being non-controversial and taking the centrist path, to avoid trouble, controversy, scandal and loss of business revenues.
And although I do appreciate the basic philosophy of Robert Spencer’s work of exposing the dangers of Jihad, he is controversial and tends to drift into common Muslim hating and appears white supremacist and is shunned in many quarters.
gravenimage says
Now opposing violent Jihad is “common Muslim hating” according to Chand?
gravenimage says
And Islam is not a race. Not wanting Muslims to rape and murder Infidels is not about race as the appalling Chand pretends.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…These companies want to profit from being non-controversial…’
No, these companies are owned by corporations whose long-term goal is NWO globalist control. The globalists want to suppress free speech because the spread of truth threatens their agenda.
They backed down this time, but they will try again.
WPM says
To Chand horse apples Visa and Mastercard before this came up were not label anything for accepting payment for anything deemed legal. In what articles has Robert Spencer “appears white supremacist “, has he call for any violence against Moslems or Islamic people ? Has he printed any false news you could site ? Has he misquoted any of the many passages from the Koran or Hadiths ?Has he ever given out false information on Mohammed life or Islamic history you can site? He is shunned in many quarters by who people who disagree with what he says ,they do not debate him or even let him talk on college campuses ,but shout him down ,or try to poison in Iceland ,or shoot him in Texas .What is more supremist trying to have a debate about a violent filled idolatry Islam ,or trying to silence any debate on the subject with violence or threats of violence. You can have debates on Christianity, Jewish faith ,right or wrong in any religion or governments ,communist ,capitalist or Sharia law? I am sure he is glad you “appreciate the basic philosophy of Robert Spencer work” will you condemn Jihad or Sharia law in your post in the interest of saying you agree with what Robert Spencer is aiming at in his work?
Chand says
WPM, I meant that the public perception of Robert Spencer, in many quarters is that he is an anti Muslim bigot.
And it is also pretty common knowledge among the public that Jihad Watch, sponsored by David Horowitz, is basically aimed at preventing Muslims in acquiring any political mileage by denying them any kind of legitimacy in the public sphere, especially in the United States, as that might pose a danger to Israel. Muslims, might, in that view, change the present narrative about Israel and promote more sympathy for the Palestinians. And that has to be prevented at all costs. Hence de-legitimize all Muslims by condemning their very legitimacy and identity as followers of Islam, by criminalizing the Prophet and his Book.
I understand this imperative as Israel is surrounded by enemies but this is the basic agenda of Jihad Watch. In the process, dangers of Jihad are exposed and that is a public service but on the downside ALL Muslims are made suspect, which is obviously wrong.
CogitoErgoSum says
When a person adheres to a religion that gives him permission to deceive those outside his religion whenever it is advantageous towards advancing the cause of his religion … which cause is to make EVERYONE submit and be subservient to his religion .. why is it wrong to be suspicious of that person? I call that being smart if you value your own freedom.
gravenimage says
The that the “basic agenda” of Jihad Watch is to protect Israel is, of course, claptrap from the dishonest Chand.
Jihad Watch opposes *all* Jihad and Shari’ah, and the threat it poses to all Infidels and moderate Muslims–including Israel, but hardly limited to it.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…ALL Muslims are made suspect, which is obviously wrong.’
No, it is not wrong; it is entirely appropriate. Anyone who ‘signs on’ to Islam by definition supports war against infidels. Muslims who reject Koranic injunctions such as ‘slay them where you find them’ and ‘strike their necks’ should protest publicly every atrocity committed by their co-religionists, or renounce Islam altogether. If they are unwilling to do either, they should not be surprised if they are viewed with mistrust.
WPM says
If someone is a member of the KKK or Nazi party even if they do not attend the “rallies” or hang people in the woods I still suspect their motivation to belong to those groups. Islam by its books, leaders, and doctrine is suspect ,its roots are evil, it books promote violence it begs to suspect people belonging to it to promote evil. I would not vote for someone if I knew he belong to the KKK or Nazi party at one time in his life . A Moslem running for office has yet to condemn terrorist ,Islam evil sides ,Jihad ,or the responsible of Islamic Jihad causing terror thru-out the world. It not all about Israel ,it is about world wide terror ,world wide supremist of Islam as per it doctrine .You have terror from Islam in India , and the Philippines places far removed from Israel both cultural and economical ,with few Jews there to for any kind of voting block or government lobby for self interest in Israel. The blame the Jews for the fault of Islamic terror is old ,the dividing of non-believers of Islam to keep them from being Allies goes back to Mohammed .Should Jews condemn people who want to kill them ,wipe them out in their daily prays cursing them yes it is called self preservation .A lot of people that are non-Jews should get on board with this idea.
WPM says
Hitler little book burning and purging of positions of people who disagree with him in the Germain government , would not seem supremist to you .The Brown Shirts of the early 1930s in Germany were just misunderstood SJW ,that people in this country should react and threaten violence with people they disagree that companies like Mastercard and Visa should not do business with people who disagree with Jihad or religious base violence ? The order of the day is to keep your head down shut up ,do not talk about violent racist ,religion idolatry of slavery, Sharia base laws of government, if you do will the powers of the powers of the bully will have you lose your job, lose your money and possible lose your life.That the answer give in to violent bullies because they cannot stand up to honest non-violent debate or truth.
Garfield says
HUMANITY VENTURES is a new GEORGE SOROS partnership with MASTERCARD to help MIGRANTS!
serioulsy!
StellaSaidSo says
Yep. VERY seriously. They’re closing in. We need to wake up FAST.
N.E. says
Companies cannot decide with whom to do business in this country. This country is based on freedom of speech—and money donations are a form of speech, as determined by the US courts. Visa and MasterCard have no right to decide whose payees’ charged donations they will honor and whose they will not. There is a stated threat to this country of which most citizens are ignorant.
jimmww says
My donations yesterday:
to Horowitz/freedom center – VISA failed, MC went through
to Spencer/jihadwatch – Visa went through
In response to my query to Anedot.com:
Reply from Paul
After discussions with the acquirer, we were able to get them back online. If you are looking to make a donation to the David Horowitz Freedom Center, you can visit https://www.horowitzfreedomcenter.org/ and click the donate link. You are able to contribute using Visa, MasterCard, Discover, American Express, or Bank Account.
James Cork says
Why is there not a website, attached to this one or otherwise, where those who are spending time and effort to protect democracy and those who support them can announce and detail corporate anti-democratic activity so that the population in general can pick up on it and therefore effect an intensive boycott of these companies?
StellaSaidSo says
There are numerous sites which address the threat posed by globalism. Globalism is a many-headed monster, and it is best to consult a range of sources, and join the dots, in order to get the big picture.
Boycotting companies who offend against freedom is a good idea in theory, but in practice is becoming increasingly difficult because so many businesses are subsidiaries of the very corporate giants who are bent on destroying our freedom. Banks are a good example. Most are owned or controlled by Rothschild.
gravenimage says
No, we don’t practice this kind of violence. Please don’t confuse us with Muslims.
terry says
The beast is rising out of the sea….