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Florida: Muslims, Leftists demand official’s resignation for asking if developed societies benefit from more Muslims

Aug 20, 2018 6:31 pm By Robert Spencer

The question, as always, is lost in the fog of “Islamophobia” accusations and self-righteous posturing by opportunistic Leftist officials.

Joel Greenberg asked: “Very simple question…Name just ONE society in the developed world that has benefited in ANY WAY from the introduction of more Muslims. Just one.”

This question is not allowed to be asked. Rasha Mubarak, president of the Young Democrats of Orange County, says: “This feeds into the anti-Muslim rhetoric that not only is dangerous for the Muslim community, misperceived Muslim Community, people of color, moreover for our entire Centra Florida community. It’s divisive and hazardous….His statement opens the doors for more bigotry and hate – it’s that kind of discrimination that leads to violence. They’re not just words when they’re by elected officials. It gives a green light for people to act upon this hate and ignorance.”

Claiming without any evidence whatsoever that Greenberg’s words constitute “discrimination that leads to violence” is a common tactic today among Islamic supremacists and their Leftist allies. They claim that because what is being said will supposedly incite people to commit acts of violence against them, the speaker must be silenced for the protection of the Muslim community. Carried to its logical conclusion, this line of reasoning would forbid everyone to say anything critical of anyone, for fear that the criticism might lead to violence against the criticized individual or group. But Leftists and Islamic supremacists never carry it that far; they just use this claim to silence those who state things they don’t want stated.

For the question remains: is there a developed country that has a lower crime rate, an increased GDP, or any sign of economic or societal improvement after a Muslim migrant influx? There have been many immigrant waves into the West, and the question has been asked, and answered favorably, after many of them; but this time, to ask it is in itself an insult and a threat to the Muslim community.

What’s more, Joel Greenberg was commenting on a tweet from this site about female genital mutilation (FGM). The tweet contained a link to this story about a three-year-old in Britain who was rushed to emergency surgery after a botched FGM operation. Did that actually happen? Yes. Is FGM wrong? Yes. But “journalist” Monivette Cordeiro of the Orlando Weekly doesn’t bother with any such considerations; she just links (at “a site that critics have called anti-Muslim propaganda”) to the hard-Left smear organization the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which has been thoroughly discredited. Why is the SPLC trustworthy as an arbiter of what is a hate group and what isn’t? Cordeiro, like every other mainstream media reporter in the galaxy, doesn’t see fit to tell us, or to inform her readers that there is considerable evidence that the SPLC is not a neutral arbiter, but a hard-Left smear group that uses its “extremist” label to tar legitimate groups that oppose its Leftist agenda. Concerned about FGM? Oh, that’s just “anti-Muslim propaganda,” you see. Will the three-year-old girl survive? To care would be “Islamophobic.”

So here we have yet another witch hunt, with yet another public official in hot water for asking a salient and important question, and for opposing what every decent human being should oppose. This is like a play, a very popular play that keeps getting produced all over the country. Everyone always acts out his or her part. Here’s how it goes: a public official makes a statement about Islam or jihad that opposes the mainstream view that Islam is a religion of peace that has nothing to do with the violence constantly done in its name. A chorus of indignation follows from Leftist officials and Muslim spokesmen, demanding the resignation of the “bigot.” Mainstream media reporter writes about the controversy, writing negative and distorted statements about the official, invoking the likes of Hamas-linked CAIR and the SPLC as if they were neutral and reliable sources. The only plot variable is that sometimes, but rarely, the official holds out, and refuses to apologize or resign. Let’s hope Joel Greenberg turns out to be one of the courageous ones.

“Calls for Seminole County tax collector to apologize or resign after bigoted post about Muslims,” by Monivette Cordeiro, Orlando Weekly, August 18, 2018:

Central Floridians are calling on Seminole County Tax Collector Joel Greenberg to apologize after Greenberg posted an “Islamophobic” question asking how Muslims benefit society on Facebook.

The controversy began Saturday after the Republican elected official posted on his personal Facebook, “Very simple question…Name just ONE society in the developed world that has benefited in ANY WAY from the introduction of more Muslims. Just one. Asking for a friend.”

Greenberg also included in the comments a link to an article about a case of female genital mutilation from Jihad Watch, a site that critics have called anti-Muslim propaganda.

The post set off a firestorm of online backlash from the local Muslim community and other advocates, who asked Greenberg to condemn the statement or to resign if he refuses to apologize.

Rasha Mubarak, president of the Young Democrats of Orange County and a civil rights advocate for the Muslim community in Orlando, called on the public to contact Greenberg’s office to voice their concerns.

“Joel Greenberg posts derogatory and Islamophobic comments,” Mubarak wrote online. “This feeds into the anti-Muslim rhetoric that not only is dangerous for the Muslim community, misperceived Muslim Community, people of color, moreover for our entire Centra Florida community. It’s divisive and hazardous – there is no room for any kind of discrimination in office. Joel Greenberg needs to resign if he fails to release a public apology.”

In an interview with Orlando Weekly, Greenberg says he did not write the post – he was literally “asking for a friend” by sharing the same question from Twitter. The original tweet was from conservative commentator Neil Boortz. Greenberg defended himself, saying he didn’t make derogatory statements, but that other people have attacked him with offensive comments.

“I was legitimately asking on behalf of somebody else,” he says. “Now I’m just sitting back and watching people go crazy. … I don’t have a racist or bigoted bone in my body.”…He says he wasn’t trying to offend anybody by asking a “legitimate question.” Anyone who comes to the Seminole County Tax Collector’s office, regardless of religion, will get the same service, he maintains.

(Note: “Just asking questions” is a well-known form of fallacious argument similar to “what about”-ism.)

“One of my best friends is Muslim, and I have a black brother,” he says. “I’m Jewish, which is probably one of the most hated groups. I don’t go out there to be a demagogue against anyone else. I think it’s fun to have a discussion. … There was not a single thing that was derogatory or slanderous. It’s kind of ironic coming from people who claim to be part of a religion of peace and a political party of tolerance don’t tolerate somebody asking a question.”…

“I’m provoking public discussion,” he says. “It’s much different than me making a statement as a fact or opinion. I’m simply asking a question. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a discussion, especially when they’re getting censored on other platform. … We live in a world that’s extremely politically correct. Most people try to walk this fine line and unfortunately cannot have public discussions.”

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But if Greenberg actually wanted an answer to his question, he could have just consulted Google instead of posting it on Facebook, says Osman Farooq, a Central Florida doctor who is part of the American Muslim Community Center in Longwood.

“The comments are very upsetting, very hurtful,” Farooq says. “This is from a public elected official – we expect a lot better from them. … I think his questions on his public forum from an elected official are consistent with Islamophobic comments and discrimination from his office.”

Farooq invites Greenberg to visit the AMCC in Longwood and see the “amazing things” the Muslim community in Seminole County is doing.

“I’m a critical care physician in Seminole County – I save lives for a living, just to answer Greenberg’s question on Facebook,” he says. “I think he needs to show him humility and voice a public apology that would make people sympathize with his gesture. But to outright deny anything is wrong and play almost dumb is unacceptable.”

Mubarak says advocates are also calling on Greenberg’s family business, Greenberg Dental & Orthodontics, to condemn the statement. In the past, Greenberg has posted other anti-Muslim memes and statements, she says.

“His statement opens the doors for more bigotry and hate – it’s that kind of discrimination that leads to violence,” Mubarak says. “They’re not just words when they’re by elected officials. It gives a green light for people to act upon this hate and ignorance.”

Mubarak adds that although Greenberg’s intent may have been to “have a shock factor,” his posts created more divide within the community.

“He’s being provocative,” she says. “People follow the lead of elected officials. If indeed this was a question, he did not have to publicize it the way he did. He could have reached out to Muslim community leadership and had that conversation.”…

Wesley Neuman, the vice chair of the Seminole County Democratic Party, has called on Seminole County Tax Collector Joel Greenberg to resign from office.

“As a county-wide officer, Greenberg took an oath to uphold the constitutions of the United States of America, and the state of Florida,” Neuman said in a statement. “This sort of rhetoric, in conjunction with his poor management, and inclination to take the law into his own hands indicates that Greenberg is unwilling or unwilling – or both – to faithfully execute his oath of office.”

Neuman also called on Gov. Rick Scott to remove Greenberg from office if he refused to resign.

“Should the governor fail to take action, I promise my top priority after November will be to petition the incoming Democratic governor to remove and replace Joel Greenberg,” he said.

Greenberg has since posted another statement to his personal Facebook, saying “Ah, the religion of peace and the party of tolerance. Until they disagree with you. Hypocrites. All of them. Vote Republican.”

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  1. StellaSaidSo says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 6:38 pm

    Methinks they doth protest too much…

    The extent of the outrage is evidence of the pertinence of the question.

    • Jayell says

      Aug 20, 2018 at 7:06 pm

      Yes, they don’t want people asking this sort of question because they don’t hear the answer – and they certainly don’t too many other people getting to hear the answer because that would throw a spanner on the works as far as achieving their ambition for a muslim America is concerned – just like they think they’re doing in Europe.

      • J D S says

        Aug 21, 2018 at 9:44 am

        In most circumstances the Muslim will resort to racism, islamaphobia, intolerance, anti-Muslim, discrimination etc. When they are confronted with hard questions…
        They have no valid answer for Islam itself….
        32 versions of the Koran which was put to memory …….what a joke…unreliable Haddiths…..and they only cling to the sword verses to create jihad, which is nothing but terrorism……
        and THE WESTERN WORLD STANDS STILL AND ALLOWS THIS UTTER NONSENSE..and all the time people are being kill in the name of Satan. Show me anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus tells me to kill anyone….That should be enough to put Islam away forever.

    • Terry Gain says

      Aug 20, 2018 at 7:09 pm

      They protest because they know that the only rational answer is No.

    • Joel says

      Aug 21, 2018 at 12:49 am

      Agreed

    • wm1 says

      Aug 21, 2018 at 9:27 am

      Notice none of his critics could answer the damn question! The answer, of course, is rather obvious despite their specious claims of ‘Islamophobia.’

      The question, itself, is almost rhetorical.

  2. Hal says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 6:44 pm

    Stand your ground. Do Not let them silence you. If there is free speech for them then there should be free speech for you!

    • Joel says

      Aug 21, 2018 at 12:51 am

      Willl do!

  3. Halal Bacon says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    shitslam leads to violence, its in their death cookbook, aka koran

  4. Jay says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 6:55 pm

    You are correct Joel Greenberg! It’s never acclimation or respect for the American way of life, it’s invasion and destruction!! Good for President Trump for limiting legal immigration and having zero
    tolerance for illegal immigration. Build the wall. Keep America a sovereign nation!!
    🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸Trump 2020 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • Terry Gain says

      Aug 20, 2018 at 7:20 pm

      Keep the Muslim conquerors out. No nation has an obligation to submit to conquest. In fact, it owes a duty to its citizens to fight conquest.

  5. Old Fat Bald Socially Inept Ron says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 6:57 pm

    The previously unemployable who now hold cushy TSA and ICE jobs would certainly tell you they have benefited.

    • Lisa says

      Aug 20, 2018 at 8:39 pm

      TSA, maybe. But ICE puts their butts on the line. I don’t call that cushy!

  6. Mary says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the constitution guarantee freedom of speech. I don’t believe anyone even answered his question. I also believe that all Americans who know the truth about islam should tweet saying that they support him and that they don’t want him to resign.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 20, 2018 at 8:00 pm

      This is common–Muslims and dhimmis just act as if questions like these are too outrageous to even be posed.

    • Joe says

      Aug 21, 2018 at 7:28 am

      Yeah the best answer, rather than bigoted hate, would have been to name a country that benefited from Islam. But no one was able to do that.

  7. infidel numero uno says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 7:35 pm

    Keep asking the question, Mr Greenberg. mooseslimes cannot handle the truth.

  8. DBM echo says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 7:35 pm

    Read this comment at the Orlando Weekly website,

    “Name just ONE society in the developed world that has benefited in ANY WAY from the introduction of more Muslims.”

    Good for Greenburg.

    And the answer to his question is NONE. Which is why Muslims are so upset because it shows Islam in a bad light. Doing that is against the Shariah.

    Hold on, Muslims, because these sorts of questions are going to be more and more common.

    Here’s another. Muslims will only obey the Shariah because it is based on their Allah’s word as found in their Qur’an, a book they consider perfect. Muslims claim that they will not obey any man-made law. Now in this country every public federal official is required to take the Article VI oath to support the supreme law of the Constitution and federal laws based on the Constitution; and every state official must take an oath to the federal Constitution and the respective state’s constitution.

    So what is it? These oaths cannot be taken by Muslims unless they are playing us as fools because our federal and state constitutions are NOT based on their Qur’an. Muslim lawyers, notary publics, justices of the peace, Muslim congressmen, Muslim state legislators, and so forth. No one of these oaths will have any genuine value; if a Muslim purports to take these oaths, they will be based on Muslim duplicity, and therefore not genuine. How then can they serve the public?

  9. Norger says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 7:38 pm

    Stand your ground, Joel.

  10. gravenimage says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 7:51 pm

    Florida: Muslims, Leftists demand official’s resignation for asking if developed societies benefit from more Muslims
    ……………………….

    Damn good question from Joel Greenberg. I hope he stands his ground.

  11. Lisa says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 7:53 pm

    A phobia is an irrational fear or dislike of something, correct? Where are we now? 33,599 ISLAMIC attacks since 911? That’s is NO phobia, that’s common sense! The left obviously doesn’t have any. And those of us that do get to pay for their ignorance.

  12. No Muzzies Here says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 7:53 pm

    Muslims and Leftists acting in concert, as they always do.

  13. gravenimage says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    That the Orlando Weekly is characterizing Jihad Watch as “anti-Muslim propaganda” for opposing little Muslim girls from being mutilated is grotesque, as well.

  14. Lydia Church says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    They only receive benefits, but deliver trouble.

    • Emilie Green says

      Aug 20, 2018 at 8:08 pm

      A constant for the last 1400 years: Find Muslims, find trouble.

  15. somehistory says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    moslims can’t handle the truth…they find it “unacceptable” and they are the ones with the fear….the “phobia”…the fear of the truth getting wide acceptance.

    This guy is right. He should not apologize.

  16. Lynne says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    I hope he doesn’t apologize or resign. It’s a simple question. They can’t answer in a positive way so they resort to name calling and getting hurt feelings.

  17. Greyhound Fancier says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    They don’t really think that the prof’s question will harm mohammedans – they know that if they kick that hornet’s nest, mohammedanism, violence against anyone who questions the muslims may be harmed.

    They don’t care about the muslims – they are afraid for themselves…cowards.

  18. tim gallagher says

    Aug 20, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    It’s a great question. It’s the perfect question to ask and the most important question that should be put to our western political leaders and Islamophile leftie media types. And the answer is that there is no civilised non-Muslim country anywhere that has benefited or been improved by having Muslims enter that country. Muslims bring endless negatives and endless trouble to any country foolish enough to let them in but no positives at all. Islam is totally incompatible and an enemy of our way of life in the west. There should be a complete ban on Muslim migration into all non-Muslim countries.

    • StellaSaidSo says

      Aug 21, 2018 at 1:13 am

      Well said, Tim. The more Muslims in a society, the more crime, and the less freedom.

      • tim gallagher says

        Aug 21, 2018 at 7:50 pm

        Yes, StellaSaidSo, we’re both right and the troubling thing is that so many people in our societies still don’t seem to be able to see this obvious truth. There might be a very few Muslims who really are OK and won’t cause any trouble in our societies, but I believe they are pretty rare. You look in the Koran and see very clearly that Islam is the opposite of our value system in every area of life and in all its goals. The behaviour of many Muslims shows the same thing. I keep thinking everyone should have woken up by now. It’s like our societies keep shooting themselves in the foot by continuing to let Muslims in. The question asked by Greenberg is excellent because it might focus the minds of people who try to answer it and help to wake them up. Of course, it’ll be ignored by many slumbering idiots.

  19. Larry says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 4:40 am

    Has any place, any where, any time benefited from more muslims.

    I’m pretty sure the answer to that would be a resounding “no”.

  20. Marlin says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 6:06 am

    Well, just how, exactly, can any society benefit from muslims, satanists, and pagans? They are all tyranical, “bully” beliefs.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 23, 2018 at 12:35 am

      You are certainly right about Islam.

  21. Rob Crawford says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 8:11 am

    Wow. The “fallacious argument” aside is in the original. Why didn’t the author just admit they were hacks?

  22. John Leer says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 8:29 am

    Now comes the piling on and pressure from liberal Democrat groups for Joel Greenberg to resign because he commented about Islam. Muslim Brotherhood group CAIR already offered ‘sensitivity training’. The irony is that Rasha Mubarak lead those ‘sensitivity trainings’ when she worked for CAIR – Hate loves Hate I guess.

    Here’s a news flash the girl leading this political operation is Rasha Mubarak who is bigot and Jew hater based on these two videos.

    Rasha and the Epic Jew Hating Rant goes unchallenged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkR1v0d0mUA

    Rasha Mubarak Supporter of Hezbollah terrorist ally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkR1v0d0mUA

    Politics is a rough business and with Rasha Mubarak the anti-semite leading the Young Democrats of Orange County expect more of this raging hate masquerading as sensitivity training. And so it goes……

  23. James Lincoln says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 8:45 am

    I can’t help but think of the movie “A Few Good Men” (1992).

    Kaffee: I want the truth!

    Col Jessup: You can’t handle the truth!

  24. terry says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 9:00 am

    He should have used the word islam, muslims are it’s brainwashed victims.

    muhamad,

    ‘Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him’ Hadith – Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

  25. somehistory says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 9:48 am

    “I’m a critical care physician in Seminole County – I save lives for a living, ‘
    ***************************************************************************************

    Unfortunately, I have been to more than one moslim “dr” and I wouldn’t trust any of them in a life-threatening situation. Other than that, I won’t go into detail about the experiences.

  26. Garfield says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 4:46 pm

    Do leftists even know what FGM is? If they do…..then WHY do they cover for and defend perpetrators of it?
    How long till some multi culti leftist does it to her own daughter? For diversity and tolerance?
    Sounds crazy….but I would not be surprised.

  27. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 6:19 pm

    Germany kept statistics on how badly the Turkish “guest workers” helped ruin their economy.

  28. Chatillon says

    Aug 21, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    Answer Greenberg’s question first…THEN state your objections if you please, Mr. Mubarak.

  29. Bill says

    Aug 22, 2018 at 11:14 am

    Here’s some ammunition: If someone asked the question: “Should Trump be impeached?” Would that make the person an anti-Trump bigot who is to be expelled from civil society? Of course not!

    A question can lead to pros and cons in a [hopefully] civil discussion. But to label someone a bigot for asking a question should not be tolerated! The Muslims are the problem by quashing legitimate questions.

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