Back in March, legendary Hollywood actress Brigitte Bardot did not mince words about the Islamization of France when she declared: “I did not fight against French Algeria to accept an Algerian France, I do not touch the culture, the identity and the customs of others, let’s not touch mine.”
Her words about culture and national identity were in stark contrast to those of French President Emmanuel Macron, who enraged his own country’s politicians when he asserted that “’true’ Frenchmen and Danes ‘do not exist’, and attacked the people he rules over as stubbornly resistant to change while on an official visit to Denmark.” Macron also believes that “he has succeeded in provoking ‘cultural change’ in the native since his election last year.”
Macron is an open borders globalist whose country has flagged “more than 78,000 people” as jihadist security threats in 2017, even more than there are in Germany and the UK. Christine Tasin, the President of “the French anti-Islamization movement,” Résistance Républicaine, gave three reasons: “there are more Muslims, more criminal Muslims and the Muslim Brotherhood has more influence in France than in any other EU state.” This is thanks to Macron, who, like other globalist leaders, pays no attention to these warnings and exposes his citizens to danger.
“Macron Tells Denmark ‘No Such Thing as a True Dane, True Frenchman,’” by Virginia Hale, Breitbart, August 30, 2018:
French politicians have reacted with anger after Emmanuel Macron asserted that “true” Frenchmen and Danes “do not exist”, and attacked the people he rules over as stubbornly resistant to change while on an official visit to Denmark.
The French president made the remarks while on a three-day tour of Denmark and Finland, where he is hoping to establish a “progressive arc” of nations supporting his vision of a globalised EU superstate, which would revolve around a liberal conception of human rights, ahead of European Parliament elections next year.
Speaking before a gala lobster dinner on Wednesday, at which Denmark’s Queen Margaret was in attendance, Macron praised the Scandinavian nation as one which is “completely open to the rest of the world” compared with a France whose people he said showed a “Gaulish stubborn resistance to change”.
France has a “deep and complex identity, which has always been thought of as universalism”, the former investment banker said, before stating he believes he has succeeded in provoking “cultural change” in the native since his election last year.
“People are changing their minds, they are much more open to risk,” he told the event, which was broadcast on Danish television.
“You will see France transformed by its people.”
Asked by a Danish student about the future of national identities in Europe, Macron said that “the ‘true Dane’ does not exist…..
StellaSaidSo says
Spoken like the true globalist that he is.
Mac-101 says
MaRooon, be right there are NO Frenchmen and Danes if they allow these Globaist scum to eradicate their national identify and make them accept Sharia Law!
mike says
let it be known they will not lose there Identity they will loose there lives
Ingenieur says
His words could be straight from the Kalergi handbook. Although it was published a century ago the world’s money-men love it, and they are still instructing their puppet-politicians to bring the Kalergi Plan into reality. Nothing they do is in your interests, or mine.
Today’s real battle is We the People vs our Quisling leaders.
Mac-101 says
Amen!
Lydia Church says
They REALLY won’t exist if this is his reason for allowing more and more muslim migrants in… because they will kill off anyone who even comes close to resembling that model of a ‘true Frenchman’ or any other European!
Lavéritétriomphera says
He also said we are alcoholics, illiterates, too paid and reluctant to embrace reform !
He said he is our chief and maybe this music fits his mood? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYbJZfYEswU.
gravenimage says
Just appalling, Lavéritétriomphera.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Sunday, Florian Phillipot who fonded the patriot party accused Emmanuel Macron of embodying “the old world” politics and “regression”.
Macron behaves like a monarch and many people find his way of doing things highly distasteful.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, LVT, right from the start, Macron intended to ‘rule like Jupiter’.
J D S says
Another national leader who sold out his country. WHY?
StellaSaidSo says
He sold his country out before he was ‘elected’, JDS. That’s how he got the gig. He’s a globalist puppet.
mortimer says
This is a clear declaration of war against NATIONALISM, PATRIOTISM and all NATIONAL IDENTITIES and NATIONAL CULTURES.
Decades of suicidal, existentialist, anti-French propaganda has shown what it is all about … the end of French identity and its replacement by Third-World cultures ruled and stage-managed by Machiavellian puppet masters in the banking community who control the production of money for their own ends.
This is new and much cleverer form of feudalism and one that is entirely divorced from ethics.
Macron and his puppet masters are entirely amoral.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Mortimer, the globalists consider themselves more ‘moral’ than the rest of us. They consider themselves uniquely qualified to take control of the lives of every man, woman, and child on this planet, and have spent decades planning every detail of their diabolical agenda. Fortunately, some of us ‘useless eaters’ have rumbled their racket, and put a few hefty spanners in their works. Macron was manufactured by the bankster globalists for the purpose of keeping Le Pen out of the Elysee Palace, thus facilitating the imposition of totalitarian govt in Europe.
Rezali Mahil says
Salaam Stella,
how are you ….. please take my advice … chill out.
What Macron has not added is that there “will be” no true frenchman/dane soon.. although not true yet. There will be sooooooo many muslims that soon the lovely blonde haired woman will soon be muslimas too. They will no longer shoo off that hair, they will cover it to fit in.
Macron is looking into the future and soothing in the path to less pain.
I love his outlook which appeals to all those who voted him in.
More Later …
Rezali
gravenimage says
The foul Rezali Mehil–who is now apparently incapable of even spelling her name correctly–wrote:
Salaam Stella,
how are you ….. please take my advice … chill out.
What Macron has not added is that there “will be” no true frenchman/dane soon.. although not true yet.
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Of course, France–and Denmark–have proud cultures that are hundreds of years old. But of course the vicious Rezali Mehil, like all pious Muslims, takes one look at these civilized cultures and sees nothing but “worthless Jahillya”.
Note that Rezali Mehil has lived in Britain for many years, but does not consider herself British in any way. She still refers to herself as a Pakistani living in the UK.
More:
There will be sooooooo many muslims that soon the lovely blonde haired woman will soon be muslimas too. They will no longer shoo off that hair, they will cover it to fit in.
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By “fit in” Rezali Mehil means they will wear the Hijab or the Burqa, because if they do not they will be raped or murdered by her savage coreligionists.
More:
Macron is looking into the future and soothing in the path to less pain.
I love his outlook which appeals to all those who voted him in.
More Later …
Rezali
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“Less pain”–that is, if we passively submit to Islam then Muslims may not have to slaughter so many of us. *Ugh*.
StellaSaidSo says
GI, best to ignore the inbred Paki traitor. She only comes here to wind you up.
gravenimage says
Hi, Stella. I’m not replying to this vicious Muslim troll directly, but just exposing her bs for anyone interested here.
Jean says
Rezali Mahil.
God created the beauty of the male and female bodies, so that we might love one another.
Satan introduced the hijab, so that man and woman might fear one another.
But love will conquer this spiritual iron curtain that Satan has separated us by.
Alien Republican says
Why are you mohammedan ?
Lavéritétriomphera says
Rezali Mahil,
That is wishful thinking, in France many people of Muslim descent no longer believe in Islam. They are like the rest of the population including the jews, they are liberal or they believe in anything and some even converted to Christianity.
As far I am concerned, I leave the gods in their world including allah, but my favorite god his the goddess of Liberty Artemis. And her statue was a French gift to United-States. For this reasons, I do not like the liberticidal god allah. .
Jean says
Alien republican.
If you are speaking to me – I’m not, of course 🙂
KWJ says
Thank you, Gravenimage, you have a fine memory.
Retaliation should be reminded of the sh*thole Pakistan is because of her co-religionists. Stupid is as stupid does. I’m beginning to think there are too many Muslims who can’t think and reason for themselves. All the same crap has already been brought to western countries, e.g. ethnic group dislike, other religions and other sects of Islam, rape, violence, sharia law, disgusting animal sacrifice traumatizing little kids, terrorists, conservative Muslim organizations…it’s all the same. In the future, western countries will be less productive, I think.
gravenimage says
Thank you, KWJ. I agree with your grim analysis if we continue to allow Muslims to flood into the West.
Mac-101 says
Good comment. Does that mean you are a Conspiracy Nut also now? If SO, Welcome aboard! The Satanic Globalist must be stopped!
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, it’s always good to see the penny dropping, Mac!
(It may take a while in some cases, however – there are still a lot of folk who believe that a bloke in a cave in Afghanistan perpetrated the 9/11 attacks without an ounce of help from anyone local, and that the Warren Commission told the truth.)
Mac-101 says
Perhaps Wellington will be next to admit that the Globalist are purposefully destroying Western Civilization for some alternative motive! We can only speculate about the motive, but NOW it is impossible to NOT recognize the actions bein taken to destroy us and strip away our Freedoms!
Wellington says
The Warren Commission, Stella, got it right, even though said commission made mistakes as pointed out by Gerald Posner in his work, Case Closed, in which he demolished every major conspiracy theory and demonstrated to the satisfaction of all reasonable people that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing JFK. I challenge you to read all some 600 pages of Posner’s work and yet still conclude that there was a conspiracy in the assassination of JFK. Do it.
As for globalists, the NWO, blah, blah, blah, this is the stuff of loons. What we have with people like Macron, May, Merkel, Trudeau, Pope Francis, et al. are silly, willfully ignorant people who keep making excuses for the worst religion of all time.
Uninformed people see conspiracy most everywhere when, in fact, there is almost all the time only foolishness, ignorance, avarice and, often times too, high-grade stupidity. No one does Jihad Watch any good by pushing bogus conspiracy theories, including Mac-101, his ridiculous idea being that the Federal Reserve had JFK assassinated.
Rarely says
Wellington.
I agree with you 100%. (I hope that doesn’t damage your credibility).
Wellington says
Rarely,
Thanks for your comment. Much appreciated.
As for my credibility, I care not at all that conspiracy theorists or totalitarians (e.g., followers of the worst religion of all time) may seek to damage it. Indeed, in a kind of way, it’s a badge of honor.
gravenimage says
Stella–with the greatest respect–I don’t believe that 9/11 was done by Americans to make Muslims look bad.
I believe–for good reason, I think–that this was Islamic terrorism, as are all the other 33,000+ Jihad terror attacks.
Mac-101 says
Gravin, I believe you are correct. 911 WAS Islamic Terrorism;
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However I believe the Intel agencies were monitoring the progression of the plot. Maybe NOT gittin all the details but the overall operation.
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I believe the following are rather solid dots.
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Operation Able Danger identified Mohammad Atta and 200 Al Qaida operatives in the USA 6 months prior to 911. The US Army was forced to destroy this info. I can’t believe a Patriot would NOT pass it off to the CIA or/Mossad prior to destruction.
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The Hamburg cell which planned 911 ALONG WITH ONE ExCIA Agent in Germany sold short American and United Airline stocks makin a bundle.
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Judicial Watch fought for 10 years to git the list released who sold short in the USA. Once they won their court battle the LISTS were destroyed before they got them. After Judicial Watch announced this they never mentioned it again.
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SIlverstein doubled his insurance on the twin towers and added terrorist insurance about 6 months prior.
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I can buy the twin towers collapsing on themselves, Though I think it highly unlikely since I’ve blown up enough stuff in the Army. I find it unbelievable that Tower #7 collapsed on itself with just a corner taken out and an internal small fire minutes after Silverstein allegedly said Pull It..
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There are a lot more, but I believe this is enough big points that should at least make one wonder if it was monitored by some in the Intel agencies. Remember, within hours Mohammad Atta and the 19 were identified on National TV. If they actually had if figured out that quickly, why not use the info to roll up others before announcing it?
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StellaSaidSo says
@ GI
I never said anything about 9/11 being done ‘to make Muslims look bad’, GI. You have a habit of reading more into posts than is actually there.
Of course you are free to believe – for whatever reason or none – that 9/11 was entirely the work of Islamic terrorists, and orchestrated from a cave in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, others – like architects and engineers and explosives experts who recognise a controlled demolition when they see it – are free to believe that other parties were involved. Having examined the available evidence, I find the architects and engineers and explosives experts far more persuasive than the ‘official’ story.
gravenimage says
Actually, Stella, the engineers at Popular Mechanics have debunked the idea that 9/11 was actually carried out by Americans on the ground:
“Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report – The World Trade Center”
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/
Again–with all respect–I do not think that Jihad is actually being done by the Infidels.
Jihad has, in fact, been waged by pious Muslims for hundreds of years now, beginning with the bloody “Prophet” Muhammed himself.
StellaSaidSo says
Thanks, Mac, you filled in some of the gaps that I would normally include in a discussion of how 9/11 came about. I find it extraordinary that, with all the information now available, anyone could take the official story seriously. There are simply too many logistical factors to consider, and too many details unexplained. Silverstein wasn’t the only one to make a bundle. A lot of crooks got a get-out-of-jail-free card (the guys at the Pentagon who know what happened to the missing trillions, for example). That every file, every scrap of paper that floated down from the towers was only centimetres in size, but somehow Mohammed Atta’s passport landed intact , is laughable. What do you think about the DEW theory?
StellaSaidSo says
@GI
Are you serious, GI? POPULAR MECHANICS? LOL! You will have to do a lot better than that.
StellaSaidSo says
BTW, GI, you don’t need to tell regular JW posters how long Muslims have been waging jihad, or who started it. We already know.
The POPULAR MECHANICS article was debunked shortly after it was published. They should have stuck with monster trucks and NASCAR events.
SavetheWest says
9/11 is Islamic Jihad. Period.
gravenimage says
Stella, pretty much the only professional who has come out and claimed that 9/11 was an inside job done by Americans on the ground is Richard Gage, an architect from here in the Bay Area. He is not an engineer.
In addition to the “controlled explosions” claim, other ideas held by “Truthers” include Mossad being behind the attacks; George Bush being behind the attacks; WTC owner Larry Silverstein having done it for the insurance money; no plane having hit the Pentagon; the government either putting all passengers on the planes into the witness protection program or just murdering them outright; that all Jews were given a head’s up from Israel and that there were no Jewish victims on 9/11, and–as I have noted–the Americans doing it either to make Islam look bad or so we could go into Afghanistan and make billions off their untapped mineral wealth. Not every “Truther”, of course, holds all of these ideas, and several actually contradict each other.
StellaSaidSo says
What is your point, GI? If you think I am unfamiliar with all the arguments, and the main players, you are very much mistaken. By the way, I have never claimed that 9/11 was an ‘inside job done by Americans’, or that it was not Islamic jihad. My argument is that to pull off such a complex operation without some help at the local level would be impossible. So, the obvious question is, who helped, and why? Who had something to gain from participating? There appears to be a profound reluctance on the part of some people to confront these questions, which in itself arouses suspicion. I’m afraid you shot your credibility on this subject to smithereens when you quoted the risible ‘Popular Mechanics’ article as an authority.
gravenimage says
I don’t believe I have shot my credibility by citing engineers here.
StellaSaidSo says
Read my lips. ‘Citing engineers’ is not the problem. Citing POPULAR MECHANICS discredited article on 9/11 is the problem.
StellaSaidSo says
Wellington, if you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, you have not done your homework on that subject either.
Rarely says
Clearly it was the Globalists along with their puppets, the CIA and FBI, under the direction of LBJ and Marilyn Monroe who had been inspired by Billy Graham, Daffy Duck and the Easter Bunny.
Mac-101 says
Amassing. About 8 years the FBI released 1500 pages of surveillance they had on then Represenative Ford, a sittin Congressman at that time, complaining to Hoover that he and 2 others on the Warren Commission were forced to agree to the single bullet and a lone gunman scenario.
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Second, about 6 months ago more JFK official files were released. In in it one stated that JFK was hit by TWO bullets and another mentioned that George de Mohrenschildt was also a friend of the Hinckley family, ya the one who’s kid shot Reagan and his older brother was to dine the next day with Vice President Bush!
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It has already been claimed that Mohrenschildt was a Friend of Jackie Kennedy’s mother and was like an Uncle to Jackie. Was a friend of Oswald and Maria and a friend of the Bush family also! Dat dude got around for being a Petroleum Geologist. Funny thing is he suicided right after bein requested to testify again about the JFK assassination. LOL!
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I got hundreds of dots. So many dots, so little time!
Mac-101 says
“As for globalists, the NWO, blah, blah, blah, this is the stuff of loons. What we have with people like Macron, May, Merkel, Trudeau, Pope Francis, et al. are silly, willfully ignorant people who keep making excuses for the worst religion of all time.”
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What we have is a coordinated world wide attack on every one of our Institutions including the Church, the CIA and FBI and Judiciary.. The Main Stream Protestant Churches along with the Catholic Church is OWNED by the Globalist. It is evident that the Pope is more Socialist than Christian!
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Wellington is highly knowledgeable, I believe he said he was something like a History Professor.. For him to STILL continue this is bein done out of ignorance points to him bein part of the system to destroy us. He can NOT believe these PoliTicks made it to the top by bein this stupid and ignorant!
Wellington says
Stella: Read Case Closed. Also, not one serious historian thinks there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. Even the Kennedy family itself has made it crystal clear that they think there was no conspiracy.
Along with Mahatma Gandhi being praised (when he should be ridiculed and thought of as Winston Churchill thought of this exceedingly foolish fake) and Pope Pius XII being excoriated and trashed when he should be praised for saving more Jews than any person in history, the idea that there was any conspiracy to kill JFK ranks as one of the three greatest myths of the twentieth century, tending, unfortunately, to prove the cynical view of the past proffered by Napoleon, to wit, that history is a pack of lies agreed upon.
Wellington says
Oh yeah, Mac-101, you finally ferreted me out. I am indeed part of the “system” out to destroy the West. Got me red-handed. Who but a fool could doubt it?
StellaSaidSo says
Mac, there are many people who post to JW who are ‘very knowledgeable’ but being expert in one area does not necessarily translate to expertise in any other. Welington knows what he knows. Unfortunately, there is quite a lot that he doesn’t know. He will catch on eventually, of course, but anyone who thinks that bullets can go around corners, and who accepts the word of ‘the Kennedy family itself’ as gospel, clearly has a way to go.
Mac-101 says
Stella, I just hope he doesn’t drive with a Kennedy over the Chappaquiddick bridge. LOL!
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For a highly educated and intelligent Professor NOT to see the corruption in the CIA, FBI, Congressional and Judiciary system in the USA is disturbing, regardless of your political beliefs. The Deep State lives. And it only lives to serve it’s MASTERS! No LOL!
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The clock is runnin out and we are NOT in a position to win. THE Sheeple better awaken soon and git out and VOTE this election. Hold their nose, clothes pin whatever and turn out to elect the scumbag RINO RePugs so Trump can continue to do his work and primary them out next election!
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington.
Wellington says
Gravenimage: See what we’re dealing with? The Popular Mechanics article you mentioined that completely debunked that 9/11 was in any way an inside job is dismissed by Stella outright without even reading it. I suspect she will do the same with Posner’s definitive work on the JFK assassination, Case Closed. Gerald Ford, who was the last living member of the Warren Commission, years after his Presidency, said that it saddened him that so many still believe there was a conspiracy when there was none. Yes, J. Edgar Hoover pushed the Warren Commission to come to the conclusion that it did and some members on it like Ford were irked by Hoover’s insistence but that doesn’t add up to the Warren Commission getting it wrong.
Every conspiracy theory has far more holes in it than does the Warren Commission—and most every murder investigation has some holes in it but that doesn’t mean that conviction beyond a reasonable doubt cannot therefore be concluded. Notice as well that MAC-101 just assumes that I see no corruption in the federal government when in fact I most certainly do. There is the Deep State but this shouldn’t translate into conspiracy thinking ad nauseam replete with New World Order stuff, 9/11 being not just due to 19 Arab Muslim monsters and, of course, the standard JFK (RFK, MLK and even Princess Diana too) conspiracy rot.
Sorry, had to vent a bit, but I try to be as careful as I can be before reaching conclusions and the historian in me (the lawyer too) hates to see nonsense passed off as truth. Hope you are doing well in a very goofy world. Take care, my friend, and, as usual, thank you for your many contributions here at JW.
SavetheWest says
Yes, Oswald acted alone. Period.
Just stop with your nutcase “conspiracy” crap.
SavetheWest says
Yes, Oswald acted alone. Period.
Just stop with your nutcase “conspiracy” cr**.
StellaSaidSo says
Wellington, you ought to know better. Anyone who takes seriously the ‘Popular Mechanics’ article on 9/11 cannot expect to be taken seriously. Anyone who believes a word uttered by Gerald Ford (particularly in relation to the Warren Commission) likewise. For someone who claims to be so ‘careful’, you are extraordinarily credulous.
gravenimage says
Stella, the idea that engineers–including those at Popular Mechanics–should be ignored is, I believe, mistaken. Indeed, it is engineers who are apt to understand what two large passenger planes loaded with jet fuel are apt to do when driven into an office building.
gravenimage says
One more thing, Stella–I would ask the same question I ask anyone claiming that 9/11 is not Jihad terror.
Let’s assume for argument’s sake that 9/11 was indeed pulled off by Mossad or George Bush or some other Westerners.
Is it just 9/11? Or was the attack on thie USS Cole also self-inflicted? The first attack on the WTC in 1993? The hijacking of the Achille Lauro? All the hijackings of airplanes in the ’60s and ’70s, and all the attacks on civilians in Israel?
What about those following 9/11? As of this writing, there have been 33,599 Jihad terror attacks, including those in Muslim countries–were these all pulled off by George Bush or Larry Silverstein as well?
And what about the long bloody history of Jihad, dating back centuries–including over a thousand years before the United States even existed? Was that all Infidels, as well?
And what is the purpose of violent Jihad, if it is not Jihad as chronicled in the Qur’an, Hadith, Sira, and the model of the “Prophet”, intended to impose submission to Islam?
Surely, 1400 years of rape, slavery, slaughter and genocide cannot all be due to Larry Silverstein’s insurance policy?
Wellington says
Stella: I duly note that you think you know more about engineering than the mechanical engineers who wrote the Popular Mechanics article in question and that you also know, without doubt, that “a word uttered by Gerald Ford (particularly in relation to the Warren Commission)” is possessed of no merit.
Uh-huh. Duly noted.
P.S. I never asserted that I think “bullets can go around corners,” so please don’t attribute to me something I have never thought. Neither did I say that I accept the Kennedy family’s take on the assassination of JFK as “gospel;” I only indicated that they too think there was no conspiracy, just as no serious historian does. BTW, off the top of your head without looking him up, do you know who General Edwin Walker was? Just wonderin’.
StellaSaidSo says
GI, why do you persist in misrepresenting what other posters say? Do you really have such a low reading/comprehension level?
I never claimed that ‘engineers should be ignored’. (Quite the opposite, in fact)
I never claimed that 9/11 was not jihad.
I never claimed that every jihad attack was not a jihad attack.
I never claimed that all jihad attacks were perpetrated by ‘infidels’.
I never claimed that 1400 years of ‘rape, slavery etc etc’ are due to Larry Silverstein’s insurance policy.
I never saw such a spectacular collection of straw men in a single JW post as you have presented here.
gravenimage says
Stella, these are *questions* I had for you, not assertions.
If 9/11 was Jihad, how was it also an inside job perpetrated by the Americans with controlled explosives on the ground?
And why would 9/11 be unique in the Infidels pulling off–or aiding–Muslims in perpetrating Jihad? Wouldn’t other Infidels be doing this, as well?
StellaSaidSo says
GI, what part of ‘I never claimed that 9/11 “was an inside job done by Americans”, or that it was not Islamic jihad’ don’t you understand?
Mac-101 says
Stella, don’t git worked up. From the facts which I believe are reasonably likely to be true, 911 was an Islamic Terrorist act that was allowed to happen by some in the Intel community who were monitoring it. Now that we see the swamp in ALL their disgustin immoral acts, how hard is it to believe a Scumbag like Brennan and others allowed it to happen so they could push through the Patriot Act and strip us of our freedoms for their Masters.
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Just the search to git on a plane would never been tolerated by Americans prior to 911. I was in my Dress Blues uniform in 2009 escorting a widow lady as a Casualty Assistance Officer and had to practically strip down to only my britches including removing Jump Boots because of ALL the metal WITH Army Orders and ID Card! Meanwhile 3 black bags floated on by without even a look!
StellaSaidSo says
Mac, we are on the same page re 9/11. My position on the matter should be clear from my posts, but apparently it eludes gravenimage. The idea that a project of this magnitude and complexity could have been executed without a degree of local co-operation flies in the face of the evidence, and, indeed, of common sense itself. Yet to question the official story is to invite accusations of insanity. Go figure!
You’re spot on re Brennan, who, I was not surprised to discover, is a Muslim convert.
I have lost count of the number of times I have been patted down by airport security while the bagged heads are waved thru.
gravenimage says
Stella, are you then saying that it was Muslims on the ground in the US that blew up the WTC in a coordinated attack with the planes hitting them? I’m trying to follow your reasoning here.
Certainly, most people who claim that it was controlled explosions and not the airplanes hitting the buildings that brought the buildings down are not saying that the explosions were set by other Jihadists.
For instance, the most famous of the films on this subject is “Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup”. As you can see from the sub-title, they believed this was indeed an “inside job”.
Were there really large numbers of Muslim engineers with access to the WTC who could set up large explosives without any of the Infidel maintenance crews noticing?
And if the Jihadists could just bring down the towers with the explosives they supposedly set up in the buildings, why bother with hijacking planes at all?
StellaSaidSo says
@gravenimage
As I said in an earlier post to this thread:
‘…I have never claimed that 9/11 was an “inside job”…or that it was not Islamic jihad. My argument is that to pull off such a complex operation without some help at the local level would be impossible. So, the obvious question is, who helped, and why? Who had something to gain from participating?’
This is not complicated, and, frankly, I am baffled as to why you find it so difficult to understand. ‘Who benefits?’ is the first question that any serious criminal investigator would ask. As it happens, a lot of people benefitted, and this is therefore a perfectly legitimate line of enquiry. I made some observations about the possible role of some individuals, but made no specific claims as to their involvement.
As I and other jihad posters have had cause to remark, you have a habit of reading more into a post than is actually there, and hurtling into your own fantasy-land as a result. As this thread is NOT about 9/11, I consider it inappropriate to pursue the matter any further – especially as, in the first instance, it was raised simply to illustrate a different point entirely, ie the dubious wisdom of believing the ‘official’ story.
gravenimage says
OK, Stella–I’ll leave things here. You certainly don’t have to say what you believe about 9/11 and Jihad if you would prefer not to.
gravenimage says
True, Wellington.
StellaSaidSo says
I already said what I believe about 9/11, gravenimage, but you seem to have difficulty comprehending it.
Again, this thread is not about 9/11. But if you are willing to stay on topic, I am happy to discuss the globalist puppet, Macron.
Mac-101 says
Stella, I just saw a certain person asked if you know who General Walker is without lookin it up. I’m not goin to look it up and this is off the top of my head from research about 12 years ago. He was conservative highly decorated GAY general who lead a “Dirty Dozen” force in WWII He ran for Governor of Texas and was a strong Anti-Communist, especially Castro and Anti-Globalist. He was ALSO very strongly against the UN, especially the loss of US Sovereignty to global organizations.
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A sniper tried to kill him when he was washin dishes at home in front of his kitchen window. The window had a metal frame between panes and the bullet hit the pane and ricocheted into his arm. If it did NOT hit the medal frame it would have went straight through his heart.
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So did Oswald try to kill him to because Walker hated Communism and Castro. or did he have handlers who wanted him taken out for anti-Globalist views? Maria had a note he wrote and once again George Sergius de Mohrenschildt pops up and said Oswald smiled and snickered when he asked him if he tried to kill Walker. If Oswald left Russia because he disliked livin in a Workers Paradise, why would he KILL for it? Maria’s Uncle who raised her was a Colonel in the Security forces. LOL!
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Bobby Kennedy as AG ordered him locked up for 90 days for a Pyscho Eval but he got sprung after a week. Walker was really actin crazy and got busted latter on several times with young boys in public park bathrooms. So was he a MK Ultra subject who’s brains got fried also? Or JUST PLAIN CRAZY?
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I’m surprised Herr Professor would bring this up. Every DOT leads to another lie. Who knows what the truth is???!!!
StellaSaidSo says
Mac, my apologies for not replying sooner to your post. I am currently involved in several ‘real world’ counter-jihad projects, and don’t have time to peruse JW every day.
I have learned to ignore most of Buff Wellington’s bloviations, and, having read your account of General Walker above, I too am surprised he brought the matter up. Old Buffo’s credibility has taken a few knocks lately, though he still has a few loyal fans who agree with him that bullets can do U-turns.
Buraq says
‘Speaking before a gala lobster dinner on Wednesday,…….’at which he said there were no true lobsters, he might as well be eating a rusty bicycle ………
Give me strength, the man’s a clown!
Phil Copson says
“….Give me strength, the man’s a clown!….”
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He’s a zealot – as amoral and lacking in empathy as any mohammedan.
Together with Merkel, May, Mogheriini, McDonnell, Trudeau etc, he despises and fully intends to destroy Western civilisation.
mortimer says
MACRON TOLD FRENCH PEOPLE TO SHUT UP … he has the truth… Frenchness does not exist.
http://www.causeur.fr/islam-marwan-muhammad-ivan-rioufol,23049
The France of tomorrow could be Muslim (Le grand remplacement=the Great Replacement)
Published 17 June 2013 à 9:30 dans PolitiqueSociété
Islamophobes, Tremble !
The theoreticians of the‘Great Replacement’should not have gone back on it. For years, they have struggled to denounce the rampant Islamization of France, to describe the country of tomorrow with minarets and loudspeakers spitting out five times a day couscous-and-freedom-for-none, with veiled women and persecuted Christians. For years, they have been mocked to their face if not merely snubbed with torrents of invective. And finally, an honorable personality from the Muslim world, the spokesman for the French Collective against Islamophobia comes out of the woods and shows its colors: ‘France could be wearing kaftans in the near future’. In her book, ‘Islam, a trial for France’, Élisabeth Schemla reports the comments made by Marwan Muhammad at the mosque in Orly in August 2012: « Who has the right to say that France won’t be a Muslim country in 40 years? Who has the right? No one in the country has the right to stop it. No one has the right to deny us this hope. To deny us this hope. To deny us the right to hope in a global society faithful to Islam. No one has the right in this country to define French identity for us ».
Marwan Muhammad is right. In spite of the Cassandras and fans of a certain ideaof France. The France of tomorrow could be Muslim.
Nevertheless…some people haven’t the right to say so. Namely, because in the Animal Farm of George Orwell, there are citizens who are more equal than others. For the sake of having expressed alarm on RTL radio about the « Islamist offensive », Ivan Rioufolfound himself dragged into court by the very association of MarwanMuhammad! The Collective against Islamophobia in France (CCIF) reproached the editorialist of Figaro for having criticized its campaign « We are the nation » by suggesting an operation of « appropriation » and a « refusal to integrate », not without denouncing the term of « Islamophobia », forged by Khomeini’s Iran. In short, the gentle organizersof CCI prophesy the Islamizationof France, but forbid their critics to deplore this!
To be sure, many pundits share the observation of Ivan Rioufoland are concerned by France’s abandonment of its own values. The excellent Malika Sorel recalls this inversion in our magazine while savaging the colorful report of Thierry Tuot, State Councilor, who suggested France adapt to its immigrants rather than the opposite.In hisrecommendations, the senior civil servant went so far as to mock French rights and duties, citizenship, history, achievements, French civilization, the nation, and its identity as a pack of obsolete concepts.
So, the France of tomorrow might well be Muslim. It would be enough that integration – preferred to assimilation- persist by default, that the birth rate of immigrant populations continue growing, that antiracism should redouble its imaginary pursuit of a hideous beast, that laxity in security should jibe with social austerity and that’s the trick. No one is fooled. The fault doesn’t lie with the Muslims, any more than with the urges of any other community that is more discreet in demanding as much.For more than 30 years, individualism, the whole idea of belonging to a nation has been held up to ridicule. Modern society paints a picture of a dark national history, subservient to beliefs, instincts, and proposes a generation nourished by cultural relativism to write its own future. There is no more transmission, of the community or of the common good, but a swarm of isolated individuals. In this little game, the the reasoning of the strongest is the best. From then on, in the land of subjective rights multiplied infinitely so each individual gets off on whatever pleases it, the not negligible will of a good part of the population to see France faithful to Islam is not less legitimate than those who claim marriage for all or racism for none. Unless our history, our heritage and our culture have a sense, which seems illogical to the Bourdieus of our time whose every reference is only an expression of social determinism.
In the coming years, Islamic political parties will come into being as there are Christian democrat parties. They will propose a vision of France and no one has the right to deny them that hope. Nor to refuse it, if it is proposed by the ‘tools’ of this foreign democracy (démocratie hors-sol), a Muslim France.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Islam is collapsing, we are not religious and we are not abandoning our values.
Still waters run deep.
Méfiez-vous du lion qui dort.
Phil Copson says
Good summary Mortimer – Finance / feudalism / and fascism: Why the hell do they do these things – they won’t live a day longer for selling their countries out for money.
Mac-101 says
I am glad to see Mortimer putting it together. It is definitely the Satanic Globalist Scum out to destroy Western Civilizational and our Freedom. THEY will replace it with a digital monetary system in which ALL transactions are monitored resulting in a modern feudal/fascist system where those that remain alive will be nothin but zombies. Most of us will be replaced with robotics and automation!
gravenimage says
There will–for good or ill–be little in the way of robotics and automation–or any technology–if Muslims are allowed to turn us into a backward Shari’ah hellhole.
Mac-101 says
Remember Islam controls every facet of ones life including how to pee, poop an blow your nose. THEY can use it as a control method to control the masses completely. In Iraq I watched them kill about 4 or 5 moderate Ayatollahs till the were able to put Al Sadr in and start the fight against coalition forces. Islam and Muslims respect force and will follow the most ruthless. With high tech murder and control there are no bounds.
gravenimage says
I agree Islam is a mind-control system.
Mac-101 says
Graven, Wellington admits a Deep State exists.
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“There is the Deep State but this shouldn’t translate into conspiracy thinking ad nauseam replete with New World Order stuff,”
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Assuming it does exist, who does it serve? Who is financing/rewarding it? Just think about it.
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As Danny DeVito says, “Follow da Money!”
StellaSaidSo says
Gotta laugh at the buffoon Wellington. LOL, if the ‘Deep State’ is not a conspiracy, what is?
Danny DeVito’s advice is spot on.
You are absolutely right, Mac, about the combination of maximum ruthlessness and maximum technology. Muslims use everything at their disposal – including and especially Western laws and Western technology – to acquire and maintain power.
Mac-101 says
Stella, they git on me about using THEY. I don’t know who THEY are. I do know who THEY are in front of the Curtain. You can be assured that Soros and Goldman Sachs and FED people and so on are just puppets for THEM behind the curtain. No one on this site, even those monitoring it for THEM know who THEY are.LOL!
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And this makes me look even more crazy, but what do I care!
Mac-101 says
Stella, Even Hitler was impressed how blood thirsty and ruthless Muslims are. However he did believe they were inferior so after the 3rd Reich consolidated power the Friday people were scheduled to be eradicated after the Saturday people. And the Muslims still worship Hitler to this day. LOL!
StellaSaidSo says
Mac, we have a very good idea as to who THEY are. At the top of the pyramid are the mega-banks, mega-corporations, and mega-rich families. Their names may not be widely-known in this context, but a little research can yield interesting results. If they turn up regularly at Bilderberg, and are members of the CFR, or the Tri-Lateral Commission, for example, chances are they are close to the top. You will find prominent NWO advocates – eg Tony Blair, Bill Clinton. Henry Kissinger, Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel, and Pope Francis – on the list of distinguished winners of the Kalergi (Charlemagne) Prize. The UN – brainchild of the Rockefellers – is a key player in the diabolical game which is being played against humanity. The EU is another globalist creation. Soros is merely a designated ‘frontman’, positioned to take the flak and channel money to agents who are willing to do the nefarious bidding of the elites.
gravenimage says
No, Wellington is not a buffoon. He is, in fact, one of the most knowledgeable Anti-Jihadists here.
StellaSaidSo says
@GI
The most knowledgeable anti-jihadists (here and elsewhere) understand the role of the globalists in precipitating and perpetuating the advance of Islam in the West. As Wellington hasn’t the slightest clue about the most powerful force driving current events, to consider him ‘knowledgeable’ is to admit your own dismal ignorance.
Wellington says
The Deep State represents a federal government that has become too powerful and arrogant but this does not translate into some world-wide globalist conspiracy or even a large national one. Wake the hell up and quit being a nut-case, Mac-!01.
As for you Stella, I consider you a loon. You don’t trust what Gerald Ford said about the JFK conspiracy. You don’t trust the Popular Mechanics article referenced by gravenimage and say it has been debunked but you don’t say who it has been debunked by. You think 9/11 was not just due to 19 Arab Muslim monsters but additional people who knew about controlled demolition and yet you don’t indicate who these people were or any of the details on how they could have pulled this off. And on and on with loon material like this.
You live in a conspiracy bubble world and are indeed a true believer. I suspect there is no hope for you but I don’t give a damn. I am, however, of the conviction that people like you hurt a site like this where precision and sober reasoning are of paramount importance, neither of which you possess. Finally, gravenimage is so far above you where intellect, sound judgment and knowledge are concerned, that while I don’t care what you have to say about me, I am angry respecting the disrespect you have shown her. Done here.
gravenimage says
+1
StellaSaidSo says
Wellington, as far as I am concerned, you were ‘done here’ months ago, when you attacked another poster for simply asserting the existence of the ‘deep state’. Maybe in another 12 months, the penny will drop and you will realise that NWO globalism is also a dangerous reality, and not unrelated to the ‘deep state’.
I don’t think either you nor gravenimage is in a position to accuse me of ‘disrespect’. I have seen too often the way that the pair of you treat JW posters with whom you disagree. Nobody is freer with the ad hominems, nor so quick to employ them. Yet I have defended gravenimage against attacks by others. Furthermore, I have never been the one to ‘cast the first insult’. If someone else takes the gloves off, however, I am not afraid to do the same. And then you poor little wusses get upset. You’re not used to being challenged, are you, Buffo?
Finally, you are in no position to accuse me of lack of knowledge or intellect. You have both demonstrated ignorance and credulity in abundance, as well as contempt for your fellow JW posters. Perhaps you should remind yourselves that – with one or two notable exceptions – we’re all on the same side here
gravenimage says
Stella, I have never insulted you. I have asked–several times now–who you believe was acting on the ground in concert with the Jihadists on 9/11. You have, for whatever reason, chosen not to say.
Of course, you are under no obligation to answer myself or any other poster if you do not want to.
StellaSaidSo says
gravenimage
OF COURSE I’M NOT OBLIGED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS! NOBODY IS.
Especially the silly questions you asked Sept 1, 8:56pm. As if ANYONE would seriously argue that 1400 years of jihad was due to Larry Silverstein’s insurance policy! What utter nonsense.
Despite my several attempts to explain my position re 9/11, you still don’t get it. The reason I did not say who I ‘believe was acting on the ground in concert with the jihadists’ is because I DON’T KNOW. There are many questions about 9/11 which remain unanswered, much conflicting evidence, and to explore all of the possibilities would have taken more time than was available – and this thread is about a different topic anyway.
Please don’t pretend you have ‘never insulted’ me. You endorsed Wellington’s slanders Sept 3, 1:55am. And you routinely insult others on JW. Apart from the fact that this violates the rules of debate, it does nothing to encourage a sense of teamwork within this counter-jihad community, and reflects poorly on you.
dan christensen says
This president, whose name in Danish means ‘macaroon’, does not know what he is talking about. In Denmark most normal people are “completely closed to the islamic world”.
Only the Danish elite and the industrialists display preference for islamic migrants, as they are completely convinced that Syrian migrants all are computer scientists, brain surgeons or atomic phycisists.
The elite in Denmark keeps pretending that muslims just are a special kind of Danes to be catered for by Danish taxpayers.
True Danes do exist, as the DNA of the majority of Danes belong to the Western European, nordic group, named “I1” and “R1b”. Even many French of Normandy possess a DNA share of Vikings type – a fact that later contributed to mighty “Norman” influence in Italy as well in Britain.
Jean says
“Asked by a Danish student about the future of national identities in Europe, Macron said that “the ‘true Dane’ does not exist…..”
So he insulted the entire nation, his host. Am sure the Danes will remember that.
gravenimage says
Yes–whether this was the witless Macron’s intent or not, he did insult every patriotic Dane (as well as his own people).
Roland says
It is amazing how much both luck and electoral demographics catapulted Macron to power in the national elections of 2017. He was unknown and spoke mostly in glittering generalities.
StellaSaidSo says
I was in France during the 2017 election. The entire system was rigged in Macron’s favour, from the massively biased media, to the slurs against Le Pen, and the missing and damaged ballot papers. In a fair fight, Le Pen would have won.
Mac-101 says
Yup, he is THEIR Puppet!
gravenimage says
Thanks for the view in the ground, Stella.
gravenimage says
That should have been, “from the ground”.
Tony Holland says
And he will disappear as quickly as he arrived.His ‘platform’ is Brussels,do you really think that anybody would listen to the ravings of this little deranged phsycopath if he were not head of state of the 2nd country of Europe.When the Europe of Brussels disintegrates as it surely will within a few short years, if the list of growing dissenters continues to flourish, then the opinion of an insignificant ‘office boy’ to the bankers will be seen for what it is,insignificant.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Tony, the only reason that Macron occupies the premiership of France is that the banksters put him there. When the EU disintegrates, he will disappear with it. Bring it on, I say!
andra says
Have there ever been other nations before who have been genozised by their own leaders?
gravenimage says
Some of the late Roman emperors were pretty suicidal in their dealings with the invading barbarians.
Eigil the unheard says
Right…. I dare him go meet Putin and explain to him that there’s no true Russians
gravenimage says
Alas, Putin said this at the opening of Europe’s largest Mosque in Moscow, in front of Erdogan and Abbas:
“President Putin: Traditional Islam is an integral part of Russia’s spiritual life”
https://www.muslim.ru/en/articles/137/13878/
“The traditions of enlightened Islam developed over many centuries in Russia. The fact that different peoples and religions live peacefully together in Russia is in large part thanks to the Muslim community, which has made a worthy contribution to preserving harmony in our society and has always strived to build relations within and between religions based on tolerance for each other’s faiths.
Today, traditional Islam is an integral part of Russia’s spiritual life. Islam’s humanist values, like the values of our other traditional religions, teach people compassion, justice and care for our loved ones. We place great value on these things.”
He said this, despite the growing Jihad terror attacks in Moscow, Chechnya, and other parts of Russia.
Joe says
As long as there is still a true Scotsman, I’ll deal. 🙂
Rarely says
He raises an interesting point actually. Most European countries have been relatively devoid of any significant immigration. France (Algerians immigrating in the early 60s) and Britain (immigrants from the Commonwealth) are two exceptions but still contained an overwhelming native population. Ethnic divisions have been clear, for the most part. There is some overlap (Switzerland, Alsace-Lorraine) but the population split is fairly well-defined. A “true” Spaniard, for example, is quite different ethnically from a “true” Pole or “true” Scot. When describing a “true” Frenchman or Dane they refer to a particular ethnic group. Are there any “true” Germans of Chinese stock? Hitler didn’t have any trouble identifying Jews and Gypsies as not being “true” Germans even after having lived in Germany for hundreds of years.
In Canada, a “true” Canadian can be of Chinese, East Indian, Russian, Ukrainian, African, etc. background and not just ethnically English, Aboriginal or French. We are a country of immigrants. So is the U.S. Ask yourself “Who is a “true” American? I doubt that any but the most bigoted would suggest that to be a “true” American one had to be a descendant of pilgrims off the “Mayflower”.
Europeans have little experience with any significant immigration but are very familiar with wars over ethnic divisions (e.g. WWI and WWII).
We can expect the Europeans to get the recipe wrong and to be labeled as “bigots” if not welcoming to refugees of another ethnic group. In Canada and the U.S. we have no such excuse for getting it wrong.
Westman says
A true American is one who honors and respects the constitution and the rights it grants to all citizens.
A true American will serve to defend the nation. A true American does not want the nation subsumed into some moral-less mass of global tar-pits that gag their citizens.
A true American does not want communism, a forced equality of outcome, rather, a true American wants an equality of opportunity for all citizens who desire it.
Mac-101 says
Exactly, America First for ALL Americans!
StellaSaidSo says
Well said, Westman and Mac. Values and attitudes are more important than skin colour. Unfortunately, the values and attitudes of the globalists and the Muslim hordes are inconsistent with those of free, democratic, civilised societies.
Rarely says
Westman.
Well said. You are talking values and not race or ethnic background. It’s “shared values” that matter and not skin colour or ethnicity. After a closer look that test fails a bit too since the odd descendant of the original settlers from the “Mayflower” may favour equality of outcome (don’t you just love Jordan Peterson?) but are still “true” Americans.
I suggest, however, that when Europeans refer to a “true” Frenchman, for example, they mean someone who is ethnically French and that a French citizen of Chinese background is not a “true” French.
It is odd that the remark would be used to describe Danes who arguably the most accepting and least prejudiced people in Europe.
Kepha says
When I was in the Far East, I often had to point out that “real Americans” weren’t just white people of British Isles ancestry. Perhaps the worst was that employees of the Chinese Foreign Ministry were shocked to learn that Americans of German descent do not see [MAY HIS NAME ROT!!!! Dictator 1933-45] as a hero, but as a very evil man, and are proud of the service their fathers, uncles, grandfathers, whoever, gave in the US forces during World War II. Unfortunately, I think my explanation left my interlocutor with the impression that we Americans are a nation of race traitors.
I hope that Mr. Macron meant that all those people who immigrated and assimilated into French society are just as French as people who can truly say, “Nous ancetres les Gaulois”. If that’s the case, an American who is “Anglo-Saxon” chiefly by osmosis and not by blood can fully understand and sympathize. On the other hand, I have had Afro-French students both in the lower Ohio Valley and the DC area who have told me they found that my oft-cursed-as-racist homeland (in contrast to tolerant Europeans!!!) enjoyed “relaxed race relations” when compared to the old country (and I mean the one between the Med and the Channel; not Congo or Maghreb). I hope Mr. Macron is standing against mere racism.
Nod to Wellington–I fully agree that the flood of conspiracy theorizing pouring out across the land re 9/11 is just the old hokum-bunkum we all know too well. Murphy’s Law and the Peter Principle got it right. We don’t need the Bilderbergers [sp?] or the JOOOOOOOOOOZ to ruin things (and I am pretty sure that the people too often accused of conspiring to ruin things are doing no so thing). Sure, we’ve had a lot of poor quality politicians, but if we use our system well, we can weed them out periodically.
Rarely says
I suspect that Macron is simply referring to the EU breaking down national borders and providing freedom of movement inside the EU thereby totally mixing the nations within a few generations and not the conquest of Europe by muslims.
StellaSaidSo says
You appear to have overlooked the fact that ‘the conquest of Europe by Muslims’ is a direct result of the breakdown of national borders and the ‘freedom of movement’ INTO Europe by 3rd world hordes.
Rarely says
StellaSaidSo
I overlooked nothing. You imply intent where there clearly is none. With the proper (i.e. twisted) imagination, even every comment by someone YOU consider to be a Globalist is made to fit into your bizarre conspiracy theory.
StellaSaidSo says
@Rarely
By his own admission, Rarely, Macron is a globalist. Do try to keep up.
gravenimage says
So true, Westman. Rarely implying that it is “racist” for Westerners to object to Muslims raping and murdering us in Jihad is quite appalling.
Rarely says
GI.
LOL.
Go back and reread my comments but AFTER you have improved your reading and comprehension skills beyond the grade two level.
gravenimage says
Rarely, your first post certainly implied that–your subsequent ones I’m glad to see did not.
brane pilot says
Funny how European leaders only deny the existence of their own people.
Does anyone else find that strange?
StellaSaidSo says
Only GLOBALIST European leaders deny the uniqueness of their own indigenous populations. Globalists (not just in Europe) deny national character. They want us to accept the notion that any population is interchangeable with any other.
Rarely says
How do you view the multiculturalist nature of the U.S. and Canada?
StellaSaidSo says
‘Multiculturalism’ is a disaster. Even Merkel admits as much. Multi-ethnic works fine, provided everyone adheres to the same rules and values. ‘E pluribus unum’.
gravenimage says
True–this is all about accepting Western values.
“Muticulturalism is fine so long as it involves different music or cuisines–if it involves trying to violently impose Shari’ah, not so much…
Rarely says
GI.
What exactly are these “Western values” that everyone must accept?
StellaSaidSo says
@Rarely
‘What exactly are these “Western values”…?’
How about democracy, gender equality, the rule of law, freedom of speech and association, loyalty to one’s country, willingness to integrate into the broader society. Basically, all the values that Islam does not share, and actively seeks to undermine.
Rarely says
Stella.
Forget muslims for a moment.
Large portions of American society (ignore the muslims) would disagree with some of the values you list. China Towns, Little Italy, Amish, Hutterites, Native Americans living on reserves, for example, show that a basic willingness to integrate is not as much of a universal Western value as you suggest. African Americans may have a different slant on integration.
“Gender equality”, the meaning of which is still developing, is hardly a universally accepted Western value.
I suspect that American values that one expects immigrants (as well as all Americans) to comply with are those laid out in the Constitution plus a willingness to obey the rule of law.. Everything else would be optional.
BUT the Constitution is American and does not necessarily reflect the values in all Western democracies.
StellaSaidSo says
Rarely, stop digging yourself into a hole. You know very well that Muslims are the only significant demographic that refuses to obey Western laws. Indeed, they are forbidden by their religion to integrate, but must be supreme. Other cultures may indeed maintain their traditions, but do not presume that they are entitled to break our laws. When did you last hear an Italian in New York complain about democracy?
I don’t know where you get the notion that gender equality is ‘hardly a universally accepted Western value’, given that women in Western countries have long had the right to vote, and equal pay for equal work is standard.
I never mentioned the US Constitution. But it is derived in part from English common law, as are those of the anglosphere generally. And only the fascist Left and the Muslims want to overturn any of it.
gravenimage says
Good list, Stella.
Mirren10 says
“People are changing their minds, they are much more open to risk,”
Well, *that’s* certainly true. Macron couldn’t care less how much he puts the French people at risk. Interesting how this scumbag tacitly acknowledges that opening the doors to muslims entails risk !
I wonder how his comment ”there are no true Danes” went down in Denmark ?
Bacherbazistan says
He’s gone beyond risk into recklessness.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, and his popularity has plummeted to a new low.
gravenimage says
Yes–why should his people have to be open to the risk of being raped or murdered by Muslims? Just sick.
Jean Terry says
That is my question. You make your own people open to risk and you are the leader. Isn’t he supposed to be protecting his people?
Mac-101 says
A good Shepard protects his flock!
Peter says
Watching the World Cup, I guess Macaroni is only half-right.
The European says
Leftist liberal democracy has a lethal weakness. It can easily be subverted and turned into something totalitarian. Indeed, if Muslim populations in European countries grow as speedily as they are growing now, indigenous Europeans will be outnumbered in 30 or 40 years, Muslims will be empowered to win democratic elections, thereby ending democracy and freedom and substituting it with Islam and sharia law.
Egypt is a good example. After the so-called Arab Spring, Egypt was about to become a democratic country, but then the Muslim Brotherhood was victorious at the polls and democracy was abolished to be replaced by Islamic rule. The military had to stage a coup d’état in order to restore the rule of democracy somehow. Thanks to demographic changes this might happen in European countries as well. The writing is on the wall.
A strong national democracy which is capable of defending itself would never allow for massive Muslim immigration and Muslims would be deprived of citizenship so long as they adhere to their demonic and barbaric creed. If they don’t forsake Islam, they can’t be our fellow citizens. Democracy must become like the thing Saint-Just ( a French revolutionary) imagined when he said: “Pas de liberté pour les ennemis de la liberté,” ( No liberty for the ennemies of liberty).
StellaSaidSo says
Exactement!
gravenimage says
Egypt is not democratic now–but it would be even worse under the appalling Muslim Brotherhood than it is under Al-Sisi.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@The European,
One person’s freedom ends where another’s begins.
Où commence et où finit la liberté ? Louis Antoine Léon de Saint-Just était un ami de Robespierre instigateur de la terreur. Saint-just s’est fait remarquer pour son intransigeance et est mort guillotiné en 1794.
Vous ne pouvez pas ignorer ces mots de Manon Roland qui aurait crié sur l’échafaud “O liberté, que de crimes on commet en ton nom”.
Quand on comptabilise les musulmans ou soit-disant tels, et que l’on ne tient pas compte des défections et autres facteurs, les projections ne peuvent être qu’aléatoires.
Je pense notamment aux conversions de musulmans au christianisme https://www.infocatho.fr/pres-de-10-millions-de-musulmans-convertis-christianisme-aujourdhui-debut-dun-mouvement-massif/.
The European says
@ Lavéritétriomphera
Oui, Jeanne Marie Philipon dite Mme Roland, l’égérie de la Gironde, femme de la Revolution bien connue. Notons en passant qu’elle voulait toujours couper la tête a la reine Marie Antoinette. Donc, elle n’était pas moins intransigeante que Danton, Marat et Robespierre .Châteaubriand en parle dans ses Mémoires d’outre-tombe, Chapitre Londres, Avril a Septembre 1822.
En citant les propos de Saint-Just je ne voulais pas dire que nos démocraties doivent instaurer un régime de terreur tel qu’il existait sous le regne du Comité de Salut, mais la démocratie a besoin d’être fortement protégée pour que la liberté ne meure pas. Malgré toutes les imperfections, c’est encore la démocratie qui accorde le plus de liberté a tout citoyen. D’apparence, l’islam se veut démocratique, mais les artistes de la “taqqiya” nous mentent tout le temps, et c’est en utilisant les mécanismes de la démocratie a son profit que les fous d’Allah tentent d’instaurer un régime qui sera liberticide et anti-démocratique. Donc, il faut supprimer la liberté de ces musulmans qui s’avisent a renverser l’Etat démocratique. Pour que chacun puisse jouir pleinement de sa liberté, il faut que tous tombent d’accord sur les principes qui régissent l’ampleur et les limites de la liberté exercée. L’islam refuse ce processus démocratique et il tente de nous imposer une conception du monde qui est aux antipodes de la nôtre. C’est inadmissible et la résistance est de rigueur.
Convertir les musulmans au christianisme, je veux bien, mais comment faire? Les conversions dont vous parlez se produisent surtout dans quelques pays musulmans et dans l’Afrique subsaharienne. En Europe, elle sont presque inexistantes. Ici, c’est plutôt le contraire qui arrive. Il y a environs 100 000 Allemands de souche qui ont adopté le mahométanisme et je ne crois pas qu’autant de musulmans se soient convertis a la réligion chrétienne. A qui la faute? Ni l’église de Rome ni les églises issues du protestantisme n’encouragent de conversions. au Christ. Beaucoup d’Occidentaux ont perdu la foi et s’ils ne l’ont pas perdue, ils ont renoncé a faire du prosélytisme en se réclamant d’une idée farfelue en ce qui concerne la tolérance religieuse. Ce que nos prêtres et pasteurs font en religion, nos hommes politiques le font dans le domaine de la politique: ils refusent de défendre et d’affirmer la civilisation occidendale face a la montée de l’islam. L’Europe est en dormition, comme le disait si bien Dominique Venner : ” Apres la Seconde Guerre mondiale, l’Europe est entrée en dormition. Son incroyable gaspillage d’énergies et de sang entre 1914 et 1945 l’a rejetée pour un temps prolongé hors de l’histoire. Cela s’était déja vu. L’Allemagne apres la guerre de Trente Ans avait été plongée dans un état de léthargie.,( Dominique Venner, Le Siecle de 1914, page 399).”
Hamed Abdel-Samad a écrit un livre qui a pour titre “La disparition du monde musulman” ( Der Untergang der islamischen Welt) dans lequel il prédit que l’islam sombrera dans la décréptitude une fois que les puits du pétrole se seront taris. Peut-être, mais en attendant nous devons tout faire afin de limiter la marge de manoeuvre de l’islam autant que possible et espérer que la menace islamique qui plane sur nous soit le coup de réveil qui nous permet de sortir de la longue nuit dans laquelle nous sommes plongée.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@The European,
Thank you for your answer,
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. In France we must avoid words wich charge us according to the law (17 ème chambre).
J’estime que la révolution française a mené au pouvoir des arrivistes dont certains ne valaient pas mieux que nos monarques. Je suis très réservé sur Napoléon.
Des leaders islamiques considèrent notre démocratie comme mécréante http://www.3ilmchar3i.net/article-le-vote-en-islam-video-72558209.html.
L’islam signifie soumission et par définition l’adepte ne remet pas en question un ordre établi considéré comme “idéal” pour tout le monde incluant les “mėcréants”.
Si j’ai bien compris les propos de leaders musulmans, les “mécréants”que nous sommes se doivent donc d’accepter la doctrine islamique pour leur propre salut et celui de tous.
J’estime, et sans jugement de valeurs, que les convertis à l’islam, français de souche, ressemblent à ces hippies qui partaient sur les chemins de Katmandou. Cependant il est établi que nous n’avons pas toujours affaire à des doux dingues, mais bel et bien à des fous furieux qui doivent être traités de toute urgence.
Nos autorités nous signalent régulièrement que des passages à l’acte de terroristes se réclamant de l’islam, sont le fait de malades mentaux.
Des musulmans se convertissent au christianisme ou adoptent notre démocratie après un long cheminement et souvent clandestinement. Ils craignent, à tort ou à raison, les réactions de leur communauté d’origine. Et ils seraient nombreux si je me fie au propos d’un prêtre.
Votre pseudo signifie que vous croyez en l’Europe, personnellement je crois comme le général De Gaulle que notre continent s’étend de l’Atlantique à l’Oural. Nous devrions donc réviser notre position sur la Russie dont les monarques étaient allemands et la culture italienne et française.
Cordialement
joscefi says
The true Frenchman does not exist, Macron tells us, and then he invokes the “Gaullish stubborn resistance to change” to explain French objections to his vision of a new E.U.!
Odd.
gravenimage says
Thanks for noting that contradiction, joscefi.
What he means is that the “filthy French”–as Muslims say–don’t realize that there is no such thing as a true Frenchman.
It seems Macron is acknowledging that most actual French people do not accept this.
Fedup says
The French aren’t welcoming change according to Macron? No, they are not welcoming their own death.
James Lincoln says
Today no true Frenchman, tomorrow no true France.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
He’s one Frenchman I wish didn’t exist. Maybe the French electorate can make him disappear.
StellaSaidSo says
They tried, Flavius, they tried. In a fair fight, Le Pen would have won in 2017.
Lavéritétriomphera says
She said she will stand aside for the presidential elections in 2022 if a member of the party Rassemblement National, will be in a better position to win.
It’s possible, but I’m not sure, that Macron is trying to have it both ways. He said that it will take drastic action on terrorism.
StellaSaidSo says
Bon soir, LVT (Australian time), Le Pen is to be admired for her willingness to put the interests of the party, and of France, ahead of her personal ambitions.
I agree re Macron trying to have it both ways. In a sane world, drastic action on terrorism would include reducing, not increasing, migrant numbers.
le mouron rouge says
People like Macron are “not” going away, in fact, we will be seeing more people who share his ideology moving into positions of authority.
Lawlessness is increasing around the world and will continue to do so. The situation is only going to get worse.
Sadly, it appears that the bad guys are winning the culture war and those of us who honor conservation values and the rule of law are being shut out of the public square.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.”
– Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
StellaSaidSo says
‘…lawlessness is increasing…’
What we are seeing is the Hegelian ‘problem – reaction – solution’ dynamic. First, create chaos. Then, when chaos becomes intolerable, move in with the draconian solution. Hey presto! Goodbye democracy, goodbye freedom, hello police state.
All going according to plan…
Mac-101 says
Yup, The Globalist motto, ” OUT of KAOS/ORDER”! and THEY will supply the order!
le mouron rouge says
oppps my bad….”conservative ” not conservation.
gravenimage says
I knew what you meant.
Bacherbazistan says
I just hope that 1 of these days he challenges Putin to single combat.
Bacherbazistan says
and meanwhile Sweden burns again.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-31/22-more-cars-torched-sweden-overnight
gravenimage says
Grim but sadly not surprising.
IanB says
Macron would say no true Muslim would be responsible for this.
gravenimage says
French President Macron: “No such thing as a true Dane, true Frenchman”
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Just shameful denial of his own and Denmark’s civilized cultures, which good and visionary people have built and died for.
That this self-hating idiot is the leader of France makes this all the more appalling.
Rarely says
Once again: the EU was established to create a single European economy. That required the free flow of labour and capital (much like the relationship between the states of the U.S).
NO ONE anticipated the mid-east wars (thanks a lot Dubya) that would displace millions of muslims and that millions of them would find their way to Europe through the EU’s weak external borders.
NO ONE anticipated that the wave of illegal immigrants would expand to include North Africans and Somalis.
Western Europe reacted very badly by allowing this “invasion” and has put itself seriously at risk.
BUT IT WASN’T part of some nefarious plot or conspiracy by a group of “Globalists” intent on chaos so they could take over the World.
Fortunately, much of Europe is waking up to the damage being done. One can only hope it is not too late.
StellaSaidSo says
Rarely,
It is not true to say that no-one anticipated the mid-east wars, or that no-one anticipated the flow of 3rd world migrants into Europe. Both were predicted by Muammar Gaddafi, among others. Libya kept the ‘plug’ on Africa. Obama and Hillary – both globalists – knowingly destroyed Libya. The invasion of Europe could have been stopped at any time, had the UN given the signal. The fact that the UN is dominated by the OIC is a matter of no small relevance.
The EU was established in order to create a federal Europe. The EU was modelled on the USSR. It was sold to Europeans as an ‘economic community’, but the intention was always political. The EU is a prototype for ‘global governance’. Think Orwell. The philosophical origins of the EU date back at least a century, when the globalists began implementing their nefarious plan.
Mac-101 says
So true. And Kaddafi never got to issue his African GOLD coins as the new monetary system for Africa. Ever hear where his 4 or 6 tons of gold went to?
The Arab Spring was intentional. To destabilize the MWE and flood Europe and initiate replacement population!
Raja says
Stella,
I guess I am in more agreement with you. To me, all the globalist agenda is on purpose. Every nation whether 1st world or the 3rd world is mired in Leftist ideology i.e, globalist agenda. It has become the bible for all the political elite. Great world powers (Medo-Persian, Greek, Babylonian, or even Roman Empire) never followed this ideology. Tragically Islamic think tank has exploited this trend (in vogue for little more than a century) to the hilt.
When there is a political vacuum Islam makes an automatic inroad which it tries very hard all the time and has been doing for ages. Isn’t Islam all about conquest, dominance, and destruction of all cultures and seizing of human liberties? This is the complete antithesis for all that God wants for humanity and His gospel.
Islam can be eradicated
StellaSaidSo says
You are absolutely right, Raja. The globalist agenda has been many years in preparation, and is no longer a secret (except to those who, in their ignorance, deny that it exists). They’re moving very swiftly now. We can expect massive cheating at the mid-terms, in addition to the recent massive censorship of conservative views, also designed to influence the outcome. I agree, Islam can be eradicated, and the best way of stopping its advance is to obstruct the globalists who are responsible for the whole catastrophe.
Nishant Avasthi says
Whether there are no true Danes OR Frenchmen is President Macron’s opinion BUT that a certain set of people are TRUE danger to the entire world’s civilized society cannot be left to people’s opinions. These Jihadis are like a cancer . There is only prevention. No Cure.
J. W. K. says
There ARE three horse’s patooties trying to pass themselves off as human beings: May, Macron and Merkel. The three Ms who make up the UNHOLY TRINITY.
IanB says
French President Macron: “No such thing as a true Dane, true Frenchman”.
All this proves is that Macron himself is no true Frenchman. How does such a man become the President of the country? Why do true Frenchman allow him to remain so? What hope is there for such a country?
IanB says
I have great respect for Wellington’s cogently argued comments especially relating to Islam as an enemy of freedom. I cannot agree, however, with his denial of a globalist conspiracy to destroy that same freedom.
Three examples from my home turf exemplify this conspiracy.
1. The democratic vote of the (true!) British to leave the EU is being relentlessly undermined by those of self-admitted globalist persuasion: Remain politicians, the BBC and other MSM, economist academics and even some church leaders.
2. The rapid advancement over the last few decades of Marxist Political Correctness in all areas of British life has eroded free speech and personal freedom to the alarming extent we can be imprisoned for stating the “wrong” opinions. The march towards a totalitarian police state here seems inexorable. This could not have come about by accident. Having been originated by the Frankfurt School PC has been further developed by shadowy bodies such as the Fabian Society, Common Purpose and spread by MSM propaganda. Our children are indoctrinated with PC values at their schools. Universities have become terminally infected by the PC virus, the intellectual equivalent of HIV. The BBC has become such a vociferous outlet for continually expressed PC opinions I can no longer watch its TV or listen to its radio programmes (specifically Radio 4).
3. The introduction of “hate speech” laws depending as they do on subjective judgement have seriously eroded and threaten to destroy freedom of speech.
The revelation of the intentions of the globalists to destroy freedom and democracy is not a conspiracy theory. It is a realisation of truth. Those who value freedom and democracy need to understand this in order to oppose the traitors who believe there is no true (insert your own nationality).
StellaSaidSo says
‘…The revelation of the intentions of the globalists to destroy freedom and democracy is not a conspiracy theory. It is a realisation of truth…’
Well said, IanB. Several posters here have been trying to explain this to Wellington, and others, for over a year. He hasn’t a clue, but of course that never stopped Wellington from having an opinion! On other sites, I find that posters are generally very well-informed about the globalist agenda. On JW, anyone who mentions it is routinely subjected to abuse.
IanB says
What do the doubters think is discussed at the annual Bilderberg meetings? The weather and the antics of celebrities?
https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/29244-bilderberg-meets-to-discuss-threats-to-globalist-agenda
StellaSaidSo says
I doubt that the doubters have heard of Bilderberg, Ian. That is how little they know. It really is pitiful how ignorant they are.
gravenimage says
The Bilderberg Group met in Turin just a couple of months ago. Jesse Ventura featured them on his show “Conspiracy Theory” a few years ago.
StellaSaidSo says
@GI
And what is your point, apart from signalling that you have heard of Bilderberg?
gravenimage says
I’m just making the point, as you note, that I have indeed heard of the Bilderberg Group.
Wellington says
IanB: When both Fidel Castro and the John Birch Society are on the same page, as they have been about the Bilderberg Group, seeing of course conspiracy from said group, this alone should function as a red light that you probably have yet another bogus conspiracy theory in play.
Mac-101 says
You have my condolences. Britain is suffering from 1984 first, I guess it is only fittin since it was written in England. No LOL! Without a REAL Religious Revival for the majority of the people in the country, I don’t see any hope for you all or us in the USSA!
Wellington says
Respectfully, IanB, it is not a globalist conspiracy I see nearly as much as a globalist stupidity, a globalist willful ignorance and a globalist avarice.
The vast majority of conspiracy theories are actually unnecessarily complex—and often times as well ridiculous. The truth is frequently elusive but discerning it, discovering it, ordinarily need not have to take one into “conspiracy world.” This serves as a summation of my overall thinking.
gravenimage says
Those in the West are more apt to be clueless than evil.
StellaSaidSo says
Can you provide evidence for this assertion? Why would ‘those in the West’ be ‘more apt to be clueless than evil’?
gravenimage says
Because cluelessness is more common than evil in civilized societies, Stella.
A lot of my neighbors here in California are in complete denial over the threat of Islam. But these people are not evil; they are clueless. *Very* few want to see the West destroyed by Muslims.
Most of them are lovely people, but terribly ignorant about the threat of Islam.
That means that they are educable. I believe that this is, in fact, the main purpose of Jihad Watch–to educate Infidels about the threat we face.
There was a point a couple of decades ago when I was in need of such education myself. I imagine that is true for a good number of people here; the majority, most likely.
StellaSaidSo says
I guess IanB must be a ‘loon’, too, Buffo, since he recognises the existence of the globalist elite and their nefarious plans for the world.
RegSmith says
The political left has certainly lost the plot when it comes to Islam. However to describe Macron as a “leftist” or “socialist” is absurd. Economically he is a reactionary hard-right neoliberal Blairite globalist bankster capitalist who aims to destroy the hard-won employment rights of French workers as Margaret Thatcher did in Britain. He believes in neoliberal “trade deals” like TTIP and CETA which empower corporations to rampage across the planet exploiting workers and despoiling the environment unfettered by any laws. His only “progressive” credential is open-doors immigration which he sees as a means to undermine French workers industrial muscle. In this he is certainly aligned with the political left for whom open-borders and mass immigration is a religion (hence their savage reaction to those who question its wisdom) as well as an endless penance for European colonialism.
IanB says
Thank you Stella. You will no doubt be aware of Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi but those jihadwatchers who are not I recommend they research him and his globalist plan and the subsequent influence it has had on the powerful.
StellaSaidSo says
Hi Ian, yes, I am familiar with Coudenhove-Kalergi, and have often referred to him on threads here. Along with the Kalergi (aka Charlemagne) Prize, which is awarded to those who are committed to implementing his ideas, and related topics such as Agenda 21 / 2030, Frankfurt School, Common Purpose, etc. Some JW posters grasp the broad outline of the NWO globalist agenda, but few realise how long-established and deeply-rooted it is, and how pervasive its reach. We dodged a bullet when Trump was elected. But they’re throwing everything at the US mid-terms now, including massive censorship, and Soros’ dodgy voting machines. Soros is merely the frontman, or ‘public face’ of the cabal, and a conduit for endless funding. If these demons are to be defeated, we must fight them every step of the way.
Mac-101 says
The reason I am not optimistic for the RePugs to do what’s right is that Voter Fraud should be #1 on their bucket list. Instead they spend millions and only come up with 19 cases?
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The last special election in Ohio had ONE prescient have over 100 voters over the age of 116 reported in the press. Every national election in the 21st century have stories of precincts havin more votes than voters, more voters than registered voters and lastly more registered voters than the adult population in their counties.
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On top of that for how many elections have we heard about voting machines refusing to show a vote for the RePug and show you voted for da Donkey. These are real people with real names on TV complaining. Look at the Michigan Stein recount. They had to stop it because it showed tremendous voter fraud in Detroit.
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So far the only person I read about convicted was a little ole lady out in the mid West who was confused about the early voting and voted twice. People are on TV bragging they voted 8 times!
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Unless this is fixed I find it hard to believe that the Establishment RePugs do NOT belong to the Uni-Party.
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That bein said I beg everyone to git out their and vote even for the disgustin Rino. Hold your nose or use a clothes pin and take a LONG HOT shower afterword. If da DONKEY wins a chamber in Congress it is ALL over in Warp Drive!
IanB says
I could not agree more Stella.
It’s interesting to read the list of recipients of the Charlemagne / Kalergi prize: including
Bill Clinton, Edward Heath, Henry Kissinger, Tony Blair, Angela Merkel, Pope Francis AND Emmanuel MACRON.
Need we say more, Stella, to convince the Doubters?
StellaSaidSo says
Yep, there is no shortage of evidence as to the identities and the agenda of the enemy.
But according to self-appointed ‘experts’ like Wellington, it’s all a figment of our fevered imaginations…
Mac-101 says
It’s hard to believe that people can NOT see that Population Replacement is happening in front of their very eyes. If a conspiracy or NOT, WHY?
Bacherbazistan says
Its the Kalergi Plan.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Mac. It’s not as if there is no explanatory information available.
duh swami says
That is a lot of posts…There is no way I can read all that…
The boy is technically correct if he’s talking about DNA…But if he is talking about language culture and borders, he’s full of it…
gravenimage says
+1
Richard Courtemanche says
Another Justin Trudeau!