These shots could have fired by militant atheists, angry ex-Catholics, any number of people. But such people have been in Germany for years, and there has not been significant vandalism of churches. However, Germany has seen a large influx of Muslim migrants in recent years, many of whom believe that it is an insult to Allah to say that Jesus is the Son of God (cf. Qur’an 19:35), and that Jesus died on the cross (which the Qur’an also denies at 4:157), and that representations of the human form are temptations to idolatry. Could it be possible that Muslim migrants are behind this? Or would that be “Islamophobic” even to consider?
“POL-AC: Church fired upon with air rifle,” translated from “POL-AC: Mit Luftgewehr auf Kirche geschossen,” Presse Portal, August 6, 2018 (thanks to Searchlight Germany):
Stolberg (ots) – After unknown people fired several shots at the windows of the Church of St. Mary of the Assumption in Salmstrasse on Sunday, the police investigated. Nobody got hurt.
On Sunday at 12:10 pm, during the fair, visitors heard pops, and shortly afterwards breaking glass. An inspection revealed that a pane of glass was damaged in the area of the gallery. The alarmed police later found spent ammunition from an air rifle below this disk.
At about 7 pm, at the beginning of the evening mass, several shots were fired again at the church windows. Again, the glass splintered. One concerned person later told the police that the glass shards had literally flown around his ears. Even as he alerted the police, another shot had been fired. Again, no one was injured. The police then immediately started a search, but had no success.
In the evening, officials gathered evidence at the scene. In the immediate vicinity of the church, the officials, with the consent of a householder, searched his home. But they found nothing that could illuminate the deed. The background of the act is so far completely unclear….
mortimer says
Ordinary Catholics are not like Pope Francis.
Ordinary Catholics are not surrounded by heavily armed Swiss Guard COMMANDOS in bullet-proof vests when they go to church.
Ordinary Catholics can get attacked anywhere anytime by JIHAD TERRORISTS, unlike the pope whose SWISS GUARD COMMANDOS surround him all the time.
Ordinary Catholics know their pope DOESN’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THEIR SAFETY and as far as he is concerned, if Ordinary Catholics are concerned about TERRORISTS shooting up or blowing up their local parish church, it’s because they don’t HAVE FAITH THAT THE POPE IS INFALLIBLE ABOUT ISLAM … even though the pope has not read the Koran, Sira, hadiths, canonical commentaries, Sharia law manuals or the HISTORY OF JIHAD by Robert Spencer … and the pope is always INFALLIBLE about everything …
… even if the pope KNOWS DIDDLEDY-SQUAT ABOUT ISLAMIC TERRORISM or its MOTIVES!
Pope Frank … Dope Frank … the DHIMMI POPE is a naïve Pollyanna and vacuous fool who will not listen to the FACTS about JIHAD TERROR.
mortimer says
JB, MUSLIMS ARE PRECIOUS HUMANS who have the WRONG INFORMATION.
We must be kind to them and NOT MOCK them with silliness.
We show them the correct information (stuff you have not bothered to learn because you are lazy) and then they leave Islam.
The process of deprogramming is logical, HIGHLY INTELLECTUAL, rational and respectful.
On the other hand, your childish and infantile lack of respect for ‘OTHERS’ is shameful and reveals your RACIST IDEOLOGY which I will reveal if you do not stop this foolish talk.
We are on earth to be kind to our fellow men and women and to raise them up to a more noble frame of mind.
You are a cruel, inconsiderate and mindless fool.
Joefelon says
you are either just another leftist fool who truly believes it is possible to deprogram an entire culture/people of 1400 years of islamic death cult teachings or a muslim intentionally attempting to deceive tolerant and giving people into believing that if just given a chance, muslims will integrate into western civilization. nothing could be further from the truth and the proof can be seen in the rape and murder of European citizens who were told the same thing by their governments.
Kilauea says
Mortimer, Why don’t you tell people your real name is Richard Head?
mortimer says
You fellows have not read the source texts of Islam, so how can you present yourselves as authorities. You are NOT experts, but uninformed gasbags.
YOUR fascism is no better than Islamofascism. Human rights are universal. The counterjihad is about HUMAN RIGHTS.
mortimer says
Felon, Jihad Watch is a form of deprogramming.
Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (English) – Islam & Mafia Pt. 1 – Ep 01 (1-2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YQoPhBgDD0&list=PLVgxTVb0qbJO4VF7CXROHvZcqDftk5TQV
Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (English) – The Creation of the Prophet Muhammad – Ep 04 (1-2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (English) – Who Killed Muhammed? – Ep 06 (1-2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjWB15iux8&index=11&list=PLVgxTVb0qbJO4VF7CXROHvZcqDftk5TQVv=DpZlaSVsCDw&index=7&list=PLVgxTVb0qbJO4VF7CXROHvZcqDftk5TQV
The Multicultural Lie & The Myth of the Golden Age of Tolerance in Muslim Spain – “The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain” by Dario Fernandez-Morera. Discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjzKDDw7z3k
Giacomo Latta says
Deprogram a muslim? Are you serious? Are you sane? Are you at least one? Maybe reading something like ”hunt them down and slash their throats” has no particular effect on you. How about a 6-year-old at a madrassa? Now multiply that by 200 and add a few more for Friday visits to the mosque. Then multiply by 12. What shape do you expect a muslim’s mind to be in at that point?
Mirren10 says
Mortimer says:
”We must be kind to them and NOT MOCK them with silliness.”
Rubbish. Muslims don’t do reciprocity ! Mockery is good, *everything* about islam is worthy of mockery, and so are the fools/evil fools who subscribe to it.
Your comment is as ridiculous as your blathering about ‘deprogramming.’
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote, replying to Jay Boo:
JB, MUSLIMS ARE PRECIOUS HUMANS who have the WRONG INFORMATION.
We must be kind to them and NOT MOCK them with silliness.
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The demand that we not be allowed to mock any of the horrors or absurdities of Islam is straight out of Shari’ah, Mortimer.
Would you also have said that we not be allowed to mock the Nazis?
More:
We show them the correct information (stuff you have not bothered to learn because you are lazy) and then they leave Islam.
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This happens quite rarely, although I applaud it when Muslims do become apostates.
You have said here over and over again that if only Muslims knew what barbarism Islam taught, then they would leave in droves.
But the idea that no Muslim understands what Islam teaches simply is not the case–all too many Muslims know *exactly* what horrors Islam teaches, and they embrace these horrors.
If this were not the case, there would be no Jihad, and we would face no danger from Islam.
More:
The process of deprogramming is logical, HIGHLY INTELLECTUAL, rational and respectful.
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With respect, you have never been able to point to a *single case* of Muslims being “deprogrammed” by Infidels, so there is no process.
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On the other hand, your childish and infantile lack of respect for ‘OTHERS’ is shameful and reveals your RACIST IDEOLOGY which I will reveal if you do not stop this foolish talk.
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What is “racist” about opposing the horrors of Jihad? Islam is not a race, as you should know by now.
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We are on earth to be kind to our fellow men and women and to raise them up to a more noble frame of mind.
You are a cruel, inconsiderate and mindless fool.
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Mortimer, you cannot be kind if you believe that we have to show respect to the horrors of Islam.
More, in reply to Joefelon and Kilauea:
You fellows have not read the source texts of Islam, so how can you present yourselves as authorities. You are NOT experts, but uninformed gasbags.
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I don’t know if Joefelon and Kilauea have read the source texts of Islam or not, but I certainly have. I am rereading the Qur’an for the fifth time now, (in multiple translations), have read many of the Hadith, have read the Sira, the “Reliance of the Traveller”, Khomeini’s Little Green Book, and the works of many Muslim scholars.
With respect to you, I have seen *nothing* worthy of respect in any of these works. And one of the main themes of Islam is to not listen to the filthy Infidels. You have never said why you believe that Muslims will.
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YOUR fascism is no better than Islamofascism. Human rights are universal. The counterjihad is about HUMAN RIGHTS.
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*What*? You really believe that calling someone a fool–even if they were entirely wrong–is the same as shooting up a church, mutilating or “marrying” children, raping women, slavery and sex slavery, committing genocide, or stoning rape victims to death?
For God’s sake, why? If someone called me a fool I would not put them in this category. Are you really so thin-skinned?
And no–human rights do not prevent people from expressing disagreement with someone. In fact, freedom of speech guarantees this right.
Moreover, you yourself called Jay Boo a fool–and much worse–above. Is it just a ‘human rights violation’ when it is yourself?
gravenimage says
More from Mortimer:
Felon, Jihad Watch is a form of deprogramming.
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I have been reading at Jihad Watch since 2006. In those 12 years, i have seen quite a number of Muslim apostates post here–including such heroes as Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
I have never seen a single one of them cite Jihad Watch as the reason they left, nor did a single one say that they were “deprogrammed” by Infidels.
In fact in “Why Jihad Watch”, Robert Spencer says that he is educating concerned Infidels about the threat of Islam:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/why-jihad-watch
Not only does Jihad Watch not exist to deprogram Muslims as Mortimer pretends, but Robert Spencer and other Jihad Watch contributors have noted many times that “deprogramming” *does not work*.
More:
Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (English) – Islam & Mafia Pt. 1
Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (English) – The Creation of the Prophet Muhammad
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Hamed Abdel Samad is a brave man, but he has said specifically that he has never called for any Muslim to abandon their faith.
What he has in mind is some sort of fantasy “Islam light” (his actual words). He is not trying to, as Mortimer says, “deprogram Muslims right out of Islam” at all.
More:
The Multicultural Lie & The Myth of the Golden Age of Tolerance in Muslim Spain – “The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain” by Dario Fernandez-Morera. Discussion.
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Again, this is Mortimer’s assumption that if only Muslims knew that Islam is oppressive and violent, they they would immediately leave Islam.
But this bizarrely ignores Jihad and Shari’ah–if Muslims *really* were shocked by this, why would they enthusiastically embrace it? Why is there so much Jihad terror in the world? Why are there so many Muslims who want to impose brutal Shari’ah? Why is ISIS so very popular?
Mortimer cannot bear to have these questions answered–or even asked.
Nobody says
I actually agree with you, but this?
“I will reveal if you do not stop this foolish talk.”
Not helpful either.
Avenger says
Mortimer is a Muslim of the worst kind. He feigns the destructiveness of jihad while saying let’s bring this scum to our shores and all we have to do is show them a better way. What utter insanity!
Morty-boy here is doing his part as a Muslim to assist the colonization of the West with his vermin kind.
Ladies and gentlemen of JW – Mortimer is performing Taqiya and he’s been duping us for years!
Ban this lying asshole now!
Roger woodhouse says
+10 !Islam cannot be reformed.How come its here and spreading its lies?.How come our dhimmi governments are doing zero to even contain it?No. We are past the time when ‘reasoning ‘with the followers of this cult could have made any difference(it wouldnt have) Now we the people must vote out these parasites and wet lefty do gooders who have sold out our children and grandchildren to a future violent conflict(if they wish to retain any semblance of a constructive and worthwhile future violent overthrow will be inevitable).Being ‘nice’to this cult and its adherrents has failed as we always knew it would.
gravenimage says
Mortimer is not a Muslim. His posts here are, in fact, often quite useful, when he is chronicling the savagery of canonical Islam.
But–for whatever reason–he becomes completely unhinged if anyone says anything bad about Muslims–even Jihadists–and demands that we offer them nothing but respect.
He has never said why Jihadists deserve respect from civilized people.
Roger woodhouse says
Still having difficulty getting comments posted here.Arent we allowed more than one?
gravenimage says
Germany: Shots fired at church during Mass
These shots could have fired by militant atheists, angry ex-Catholics, any number of people. But such people have been in Germany for years, and there has not been significant vandalism of churches…
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This is all very true.
I wonder how long it will be before Muslims enter a church to bomb it or shoot the parishioners? This has happened many times in Dar-al-Islam.
Tricia Stuercke says
Absolutely, GI…& Boko Haram has been obliterating Catholic churches, parishoners, & clergy for years all over Africa, especially Nigeria. Islam’s barbaric truth SHOULD BE well-known by now! They’ve taken large swaths of the world right back to the 7th thru 15th centuries!
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Tricia.
Phil Copson says
“….I wonder how long it will be before Muslims enter a church to bomb it or shoot the parishioners?….”
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Father Jacques Hamel was murdered at the altar of St-Etienne-de-Rouvray in France on July the 26th, 2016.
In November 2016 a care-worker was stabbed to death in an attack on a home for retired monks in Montferrier-sur-Lez near Montpellier, France.
Phil Copson says
“….I wonder how long it will be before Muslims enter a church to bomb it or shoot the parishioners?…”
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(2) a synagogue in Gothenberg, Sweden, was fire-bombed in December 2017 – nobody died, but as this took place during a service, it seems clear that this was a case of attempted murder.
gravenimage says
All grimly true, Phil.
lebel says
” The background of the act is so far completely unclear….”
Riiiight, typical pro-Islam media. Is it “unclear” that Muslims are taking over the West? is it unclear that these events never happened before in Europe? how come my morning paper never reported on such incidents in Germany in the past?
it’s Muslims, case closed.
NEXT
gravenimage says
What absolute crap. Robert Spencer wrote:
These shots could have fired by militant atheists, angry ex-Catholics, any number of people. But such people have been in Germany for years, and there has not been significant vandalism of churches. However, Germany has seen a large influx of Muslim migrants in recent years, many of whom believe that it is an insult to Allah to say that Jesus is the Son of God (cf. Qur’an 19:35), and that Jesus died on the cross (which the Qur’an also denies at 4:157), and that representations of the human form are temptations to idolatry. Could it be possible that Muslim migrants are behind this? Or would that be “Islamophobic” even to consider?
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Of course, it is not that Lebel cannot read–he just hopes we can’t.
Notice, also, that Lebel has not a word of criticism for this church being shot up. But then, why would he?
Phil Copson says
What’s wrong with Lebel’s comments on this occasion ? The words “” The background of the act is so far completely unclear….” aren’t Lebel’s – he is sarcastically quoting the final sentence of the German newspaper-report, before going on to make it clear that he believes the MSM as hiding what he regards as being the obvious truth that the vandalism was carried out by a muslim, that reports of such events didn’t appear in German newspapers before there was a muslim influx, and that he believes that muslims are taking over the West.
Or am I missing something ?
gravenimage says
Phil, I have the greatest respect for you, but you are indeed missing something here.
Lebel is a consistent Muslim apologist–he is not here sneering at the MSM for not noting that this was likely done by a Muslim; he is castigating Robert Spencer for including this story here on Jihad Watch at all since the perpetrator has not been identified yet–even though Spencer included a disclaimer noting that this has not been absolutely confirmed as Jihad.
don vito says
Psssst,….want to know the truth?…..closer, just say in a very low voice with hands cupped around the mouth…(conspiracy, yeah). s/.
jayell says
This just the sort of thing that has been occuring increasingly regularly throughout Europe as more and more muslims have appeared on the scene. Go back 50 or 60+ years, and it was almost unheard of. So what’s the obvious answer to the problem?
Roger woodhouse says
50 or 60 years ago ‘Islam’was a distant ‘religion’which belonged in the middle east so most of us thought back in those days.We certainly never in our wildest dreams believed it would be in our lands threatening our very way of life.It was 9/11 that made the majority aware of its threat but still the people slept on.Now we habe been invaded the governments who oversaw this are telling us to accept it as a natural occurance.Never will we.These traitors who have orchestrated this evil will pay heavily for their treachory.
gravenimage says
Yes–Islam was not a threat to us when it was isolated.
Rarely says
Whenever there is a mass shooting every possibility should be considered.
The European says
There is a Turkish motorcycle gang called Ottoman Germania ( Osmanen Germania). About 2000 Turkish thugs and criminals are members of that gang. They are not only in bed with organized crime, but they are also linked to the AKP, the party of Erdogan and to the Turkish intelligence agency MIT. There is a puppeteer, his name is Metin Külünk, a parlamentarian from the AKP and a close friend of Erdogan. He meets with the leaders of that motorcycle gang in Germany, he has repeatedly tranferred money to their bank accounts and even advised them to buy submachine guns. Especially Kurdish dissidents who live in Germany as well as supporters of the Gülen-movement are targeted by that gang, but why shouldn’t they take aim at Christian churches -for a change and in order to practice some jihad?
https://www.journalistenwatch.com/2017/12/14/erdogans-akp-bewaffnet-osmanen-germania-mit-maschinenpistolen-fuer-unruhen/
The European says
There is a Turkish motorcycle gang in Germany which call themselves “Ottoman Germania.” This bunch of thugs and criminals has about 2000 members. They are not only linked to organized crime, but also to the AKP (Erdogan’s party) and the Turkish intelligence agency MIT. There is a puppeteer who goes by the name of Metin Külünk. He is a MP from the AKP and a close friend of Erdogan. He has met with the leaders of that gang, tranferring large sums of money to their bank accounts and advising them to purchase submachine guns. Usually, Kurdish dissidents living in Germany as well as supporters of the Gülen-movement are targeted by that motorcyle gang, but why shouldn’t they take aim at Christian churches, too -for a change and to practise some jihad?
https://www.journalstenwatch.com/2017/12/14/erdogans-akp-bewaffnet-osmanen-germania-mit maschinenpistolen-fuer-unruhen/
mortimer says
The suspects are many and many of them or most of them are Muslims.
Rosie Barnes says
Why would this surprise anyone? Many Muslims are outraged at the very existence of Christians, since according to Islam, we are ALL born as Muslims, but it’s our wicked parents who are responsible for turning us into Christians, Jews, or allowing us to follow other religions.
As an Islamic wwebsite states: Muhammad said, “No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)
Wellington says
In microcosm, so fitting what Islam intends for Christianity in general, including Jesus (Isa) throwing all Christians into Hell for deifying Him at the end of the world.
Thus, show me a Christian who defends Islam and I will show you a fool (or even someone worse than a fool). I would start with the present Pope as a “wonderful” example.
mortimer says
Agree with Wellington. Not only is Pope Frank a fool, but a dhimmi. He is a Pollyanna who is simple-minded, because he REFUSES to study Islam’s source texts or learn Islamic history.
A small number of Muslims are participating in jihad because they don’t TRULY believe Islam. If they believed it, they would go out on jihads.
Most Muslims are barely Muslim. They practice Islam-à-la-carte.
Joe says
I think Francis knows how bad Islam is which is why he is for it. He seems to be in lock step with other leftist who have visions of a new world order as George Bush put it. Christianity has no not part in that future.
KWJ says
I’m sure Pope Francis is well aware of Islam and has read the Qur’an. Clergy always made a point of studying Islam and Judaism. It’s not as if all these leaders and Christian dhimmis don’t know about Islam, and it’s a no-brained just looking at their countries, it’s that they don’t care for their agenda. There may be some well-intentioned Christians who don’t know Islam and think they should be nice and accommodate them but when they go so far as to take a cross down or Christmas tree. they are dishonest. It is Muslims who need to learn tolerance. Don’t do for them what they wouldn’t do for you. Noisy calls to prayer waking up people shows they don’t care.
But the wretched Pope knows all this, whych makes him more wretched and according to the Qur’an he’ll be tortured in hell.
Bacherbazistan says
More news from Germany:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-06/german-spy-chief-warns-islamist-children-pose-real-threat-nation
andra says
Mr. Maassen has got a lot of trouble because of having said so. He also has had contact to the former leader of the AfD, Frauke Petry. This has also risen criticism against him, because the Greenies – who definitely needed to by looked after by the VS – believe that he must not talk to anti-democrats like the AfD.
James Lincoln says
I am by no means a “friend” of Pope Francis, but I do attend Catholic mass on a regular basis.
Our local parish has wonderful priests, with very different, more conservative, world views from the Pope.
I hate to ask this question to the group but here goes:
Have we reached the point in the United States where parishioners should carry concealed handguns ?
gravenimage says
I hope this is not necessary, James–but I cannot say that it is not.
Indiana Tom says
Have we reached the point in the United States where parishioners should carry concealed handguns ?
Other countries are even more dangerous to Christians than the USA.
I could think of worse things than carrying in Church.
The life you save may not even be your own.
Indiana Tom says
Amish, no doubt.
Tricia Stuercke says
ANGELA MERKEL, MAY U LIVE A LONG LIFE…SO THAT U MAY SUFFER RIGHT ALONG WITH THE COUNTRYMEN U
BETRAYED BY YOUR ARROGANT, IGNORANT, TRAITORESS ACTIONS. I WANT U TO FULLY LIVE THROUGH WHAT U HAVE DONE TO MY ANCESTORS’ BELOVED HOME COUNTRY. That church may well have been where my Great-Great-Grandfather was baptized, years before he & many young German men came in droves to help build America. St. Mary of the Assumption is near the Rhine, the formerly-peaceful ancestral home of my family. I’m heartbroken knowing I’ll NEVER see the Germany my family so loved…or the Europe so many have loved. This entire world has been betrayed & destroyed beyond anything the majority wished their lands to be, & SO MUCH OF THE OVERALL CATASTROPHE HAS THE SAME CAUSE:
ISLAM. THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS HAPPENING THE WORLD OVER… EVERYTHING FORETOLD IS UNFOLDING IN ASTOUNDING DETAIL. Crying on 1’s birthday is bad luck, but I’ll turn 52 overnight & will do so sobbing for my country, my ancestors’ homeland, our world, Christ’s Church, & the microdisaster called my life…sorry, stuck on sad for the moment. 1 thing I’m ALWAYS & EVER-GRATEFUL FOR: ROBERT SPENCER & JIHAD WATCH! GOD BLESS & KEEP YOU, JIHAD WATCH FAMILY!
andra says
Even if she lives a Long life, she will not suffer because of her politics unless she gets trialed for it. If the Mainstream parties stay in power, Angela Merkel will migrate herself soon. She has got a farm in Paraguay, bought on her husband´s name. Paraguay is very popular for German politicians because it has no extradition treaty with Germany.
Z says
How’s that gun ban working for you Germany
TomD says
Robert, I think you need to look at another possibility.
It is possible that these attackers are non-Muslims. There has been in fact a documented increase of such attacks in recent years. Gabriele Kuby had to sue a theater company that put on a play that described her and other German Christians as zombies who deserved to be killed, and some of them were in fact targeted in arson attacks.
The fact is that the presence of Muslims could well be encouraging non-Muslim attacks simply by adding to anti-Christian sentiments. Come at it from the other side: who many of today’s atheists will become tomorrow’s Muslims? It may not be a small number.
gravenimage says
That play sounds disgusting–but do you have any evidence of non-Muslims in Germany actually violently attacking Christians? I have not heard of this happening.
andra says
On Sunday at 12:10 pm, during the fair,
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Here is a mistake in translation: It was not a fair but a Holy mass. In German both words are similar: Messe.
andra says
This is not the first church in Germany that has been attacked. There have been several churches burnt down within These past years. In 2015 on new years eve the Cologne Cathedral was attacked with pyrotechnic while in front of it uncount women were raped.
There is also increasing vandalism on graveyards, they even dishonor children´s graves. Officially this is called juvenile cockiness.
It was custom in Germany for centuries that neither churches nor graveyards got locked. But since the 1990ies (I think) this has started to change.
KWJ says
In Italy about a year ago centuries old artifacts inside a church were damaged and ruined by Muslim.
If you listen to Ezra Levant talk about his trip to Syria he talks about a Christian Church there big also Muslim neighbors turning on Christians they’ve lived next to for years. An unsurprising attitude is one who said we’ll have your house and women. Salifism is being spread so rampantly that school kids in Germany are getting pretty cocky and beating up white German kids. Islam appeals to avarice and stealing.
Michael Casmer says
Where did they get the guns? I thought guns were outlawed in Germany?
The European says
Firearms are not outlawed, you need a special permit (Waffenschein, a kind of gun licence) if you want to carry them on you in public, but law-abiding citizens who are target shooters or hunters can legally own firearms, and they can use their guns practising at shooting ranges, shooting competitions or while being out hunting. It’s a lot of paperwork and the authorities check you out, if you want to get a gun permit, but it is possible to own firearms in Germany. Recently, many Muslims have applied for membership in a gun club. Most of them attend shooting training until they have obtained a gun licence; then tey are not to be seen anymore. That is quite suspicious, and I think Muslims should automatically be excluded from gun ownership by law.
The article refers to air rifles that had been used during the assault. Air Rifles can be acquired without any gun licence if the energy of the pellets is not higher than 7.5 Joule. ( pellets whose energy is above 7.5 Joule are supposed to be lethal, hence the necessity of having a gun licence if you want to buy one of them)
The European says
Firearms are not outlawed in Germany; you are not allowed to carry them on you in public unless you have got a special permit ( Waffenschein, a kind of gun licence), buy any law-abiding citizen who is a hunter or a target shooter can own firearms, using them while being out hunting, at a shooting range or in shooting competitions. It’s a lot of paperwork, the authorities will check you out before you get a firearms permit, but it is your right to possess firearms for hunting or target shooting. If you want to use them for self-defense, things are different; only people with a special licence ( the Waffenschein) such as prosecutors, judges, some politicians and bailiffs, for example are allowed to carry guns in the public domain. People who own firearms without being allowed to carry them hold a firearms owner’s licence, peole who can carry them in public have a gun licence. Recently, a lot of Muslims have applied for Membership in a gun club, they attend Shooting Training until they obtain their guns permits, afterwards they are not to be seen anymore. That is quite suspicious, and I think Muslims should automatically be excluded from gun ownership by law.
The article above refers to air guns having been used during the assault. Air guns can be acquired without any gun licence if the energy of the pellets is not higher than 7.5 Joule ( Air guns whose bullet energy is higher tham 7.5 Joule are supposed to be lethal, hence the necessity of having a permit if you want to buy one)
The European says
Fight Islam, but don’t fight Muslims? Well, it doesn’t work that way. Islam is a religious ideology, but it is powerless unless Muslims defend, propagate Islam, and fight for it – by any means possible. So, fighting Islam without fighting its proponents and apologists is an impossible thing to do. What matters is how we fight them. Do we fight them like they fight us or do we fight them like civilised people do?
Those who use violence against us must be fought by force; there is no use talking to a jihadist pointing a gun at you; it’s either you or him.
Those who engage in “cultural”jihad must be fought by 1.counter arguments,2. exposing their inconsistencies and lies, 3. by mockery and ridiculing ( a good polemical debate does not contravene human rights) and 4. by outlawing their organizations.
Those who are less knowledgeable about Islam, practising their religion only perfunctorily and occasionally, will listen to reason and humanity. Deprogamming and educating might work best with them, but deprogramming and educating alone will never suffice to counter the threat which Islam poses to free and democratic societies, harsher methods like deporting and warfare must be used – if need be.