This is what actual bigotry and intolerance looks like. But in the West, the guardians of acceptable opinion will say nothing about this, hit Trump for being mean to the poor old mullahs, and excoriate those who report on this for alleged bigotry and intolerance.
“Iran Sentences 12 Christians to Year in Prison for House Church Worship, Evangelism,” by Samuel Smith, Christian Post, August 21, 2018:
An Iranian court has sentenced 12 Christians to one year in prison for holding worship meetings and evangelizing — crimes that Iran considers to be “propaganda activities.”
The Iranian Christian news agency Mohabat News reports that a Christian convert known as Payam Kharaman and 11 other Christians who were arrested in Bushehr in April 2015 were sentenced for the crime of promoting what the Iranian authorities call Zionist propaganda that goes against the Islamic Republic’s Shia Muslim-controlled system.
Kharaman told the news outlet that he and the others were accused of the crimes because they held house worship meetings, evangelized and invited others to accept Christ as their Savior. Additionally, the Christians were charged with “inclination to the land of Christianity.”
The verdict was handed down by the Islamic Revolutionary Court of Bushehr headed by Judge Abbas Asgari. Two others who were sentenced along with Kharaman were Shapour Jozi, Parastoo Zariftash.
Although Mohabat first reported the verdict earlier this month, the sentence was handed down in late June.
Kharaman explained that the state pressure against him began as early as 2012 when he was repeatedly summoned by the Office of Police Monitory Public Place in Bushehr. Kharaman said that he was interrogated about his evangelism and communications outside the country. Kharaman stated that interrogators wanted a confession that he was speaking abroad to Americans, Britains or Israelis.
“I always insisted on the belief in Christianity for myself and not for promotion of Christianity,” Kharaman was quoted as saying. “Because I had a boutique shop in Bushehr, a number of officers’ family members in the office knew me and informed of heavy sentences against me, and the case which was under investigation by intelligence office. I thought it was just an empty threat, but unfortunately became a serious issue one or two years later.”
Kharaman recalled that three security agents stormed his home with a warrant on April 7, 2015. After searching for about two hours, the agents seized his computer, cell phone, CDs, books and memory cards. Kharaman said that he was taken to an intelligence office and interrogated once again….
elee says
I keep reading about events where a dozen or a hundred Persians publicly protest. The news items tend to be accompanied by urgings that this country do something to support Persian dissidents.
These dozens and hundreds don’t really look like much of a groundswell of protest. Want to see that? Tune in footage of the latest Weekly Hate, where millions yell for our blood.
Our last intervention in Persia occurred in 1953 and stuck for 26 years. Then they reverted, seizing our Embassy and killing Americans i n the process. Operations there would probably be much more complex and costly nowthan they were in 1979 or 1953. Probably more people would die and suffer than the dozens or hundreds who protest now.
I w2ould love to see this Muslim infestation banished from Persia but don’t expect a lot of Persian support. I’d love to see an end to the suffering of Yemen but don’t expect a lot of Persian support. I’d even like for people to live free lives with human rights in Syria and Lebanon. Again, don’t expect a lot of Persian support for that.
So when is the civilized world entitled to intervene to protect its own interests and those of millions of innocent people? And when can it be done in the real practical world?
John Appleby says
This is how Iran and Sharia are spreading in the uk… https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2016/06/13/islamic-lollipop-lady/
christianblood says
13 Synagogues in Isfahan alone and thousands of Jews in Iran.
Could the same be said about US allies like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait or even Jordan? What do you think would happen to Jews numbering in the thousands if they live in any of those US-allied countries and will they be allowed to have their own Synagogues?
Please watch how Iranian Jews feel at home In Iran as we speak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUP571KQyRQ
gravenimage says
What else are oppressed Jews in Iran supposed to say?
And it seems that “Christianblood” *only* accepts Jews if they are oppressed by Muslims. He has come out in support of Hizb’allah and their Jihad terror attacks against Israel.
christianblood says
(…An Iranian court has sentenced 12 Christians, (including, the pastor who is a convert from Islam to Christianity) to one year in prison for holding worship meetings and evangelizing — crimes that Iran considers to be “propaganda activities…)
It is clear from the story that these christians were never charged on account of being christians, but on suspicion of being Western spies or pro Western propagandists! Now let us turn the tables for a minute. Let us imagine what would have happened to these eleven Christians led by an ex-muslim pastor in an ISIS-controlled area or in Saudi Arabia which is basically like ISIS? Could you imagine what would happen to them in those places? Do you think they would be sent to jail for one year???
And let also keep in mind that Saudi Arabia, which is the closest US ally in the ME after Israel beheads more people than ISIS and Al-Qaeda combined and that to this day, unlike Iran, Christianity, the Cross and the Bible and ALL other non-islamic religions are still illegal in Saudi Arabia!!! Whereas Iran has hundreds of thousands of Christians, Jewish, Hindus, Sikh, Buddhists, Parsis ad Bahais who all have their worship places and practice their various religions mostly without harassment from the authorities, unless otherwise being suspected as Western spy or Western propagandist which is understandable given the extreme hostility between Iran and the US! I personally find it to be extremely hypocritical, when Americans whose successive governments are constantly in bed with Saudi Arabia, with ISIS and with Al-Qaeda dare to single out and condemn Iran which is a far more moderate and a far more tolerant country than the US-allied Saudis and their Takfiri Gulf neighbors!
As we speak, the young Shiite Saudi lady who campaigned for Saudi
women to drive is about to be publicly beheaded by Saudi Arabia in the coming days and yet American MSM and even American conservative bloggers are not reporting this because of the close relationship between the Saudi head-choppers and the American system: Please read the story of Israa al-Ghomgham on the link below:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/saudi-arabia-plans-behead-woman-13119933
gravenimage says
The increasingly appalling “Christianblood” wrote:
(…An Iranian court has sentenced 12 Christians, (including, the pastor who is a convert from Islam to Christianity) to one year in prison for holding worship meetings and evangelizing — crimes that Iran considers to be “propaganda activities…)
It is clear from the story that these christians were never charged on account of being christians, but on suspicion of being Western spies or pro Western propagandists!
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The vicious “Christianblood” has lauded persecution of Christians in Iran before, claiming that any Christian who is arrested there must be an “American spy”.
He is now saying that her considers “holding worship meetings and evangelizing” to be “espionage”.
And he pretends that he supports Christians.
But of late he has, in fact, begun lauding Iran, Hizb’allah, and Turkey, even in their oppression of Christians. *Good God*.
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Now let us turn the tables for a minute. Let us imagine what would have happened to these eleven Christians led by an ex-muslim pastor in an ISIS-controlled area or in Saudi Arabia which is basically like ISIS? Could you imagine what would happen to them in those places? Do you think they would be sent to jail for one year???
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Now we are supposed to cheer Christians being imprisoned, because other Muslims might do even worse.
The fact is that real Anti-Jihadists oppose *all* persecution of Christians and other Infidels.
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And let also keep in mind that Saudi Arabia, which is the closest US ally in the ME after Israel beheads more people than ISIS and Al-Qaeda combined and that to this day, unlike Iran, Christianity, the Cross and the Bible and ALL other non-islamic religions are still illegal in Saudi Arabia!!!
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Why is “Christianblood” again pretending that Anti-Jihadists here are cheering Saudi Arabia beheading their victims? Utterly false.
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Whereas Iran has hundreds of thousands of Christians, Jewish, Hindus, Sikh, Buddhists, Parsis ad Bahais who all have their worship places and practice their various religions mostly without harassment from the authorities, unless otherwise being suspected as Western spy or Western propagandist which is understandable given the extreme hostility between Iran and the US!
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Allowing a Muslim to come to Christ does *not* make a Christian a “Western spy”. Good grief.
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I personally find it to be extremely hypocritical, when Americans whose successive governments are constantly in bed with Saudi Arabia, with ISIS and with Al-Qaeda dare to single out and condemn Iran which is a far more moderate and a far more tolerant country than the US-allied Saudis and their Takfiri Gulf neighbors!
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Firstly, America is *not* ISIS, as “Christianblood” so often–and grotesquely–claims. Then, all of us here condemn Saudi Arabia, ISIS, and Al Qaida. Pretending that if one does not like persecution from one oppressive sect of Islam that one has to embrace it from the other sect is grotesque and false.
And I have noticed that “Christianblood” is increasingly using the term “Takfiri”–a term only used by Muslims to indicate that other Muslims are not Islamic enough. Why someone who is supposed to be Christian would use such a term is baffling at best, and deeply disturbing at worst.
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As we speak, the young Shiite Saudi lady who campaigned for Saudi
women to drive is about to be publicly beheaded by Saudi Arabia in the coming days and yet American MSM and even American conservative bloggers are not reporting this because of the close relationship between the Saudi head-choppers and the American system: Please read the story of Israa al-Ghomgham on the link below:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/saudi-arabia-plans-behead-woman-13119933
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This story has been reported by NBC–one of the big three American news networks:
“Saudi Arabia seeks ‘unprecedented’ beheading for woman activist”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/saudi-arabia-seeks-unprecedented-death-penalty-woman-activist-n902771
Here’s the New York Times, with the second largest circulation in the country:
“Saudi Arabia Seeks the Death Penalty for Female Activist”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-israa-al-ghomgham.html
The story has also been reported in Newsweek–one of the largest news magazines. The claim that this story is not being reported in the US is not only false, but so easily disproven that one would think that “Christianblood” would be embarrassed to lie about it. Too sadly, this is not the case.
gravenimage says
The increasingly appalling “Christianblood” wrote:
(…An Iranian court has sentenced 12 Christians, (including, the pastor who is a convert from Islam to Christianity) to one year in prison for holding worship meetings and evangelizing — crimes that Iran considers to be “propaganda activities…)
It is clear from the story that these christians were never charged on account of being christians, but on suspicion of being Western spies or pro Western propagandists!
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The vicious “Christianblood” has lauded persecution of Christians in Iran before, claiming that any Christian who is arrested there must be an “American spy”.
He is now saying that her considers “holding worship meetings and evangelizing” to be “espionage”.
And he pretends that he supports Christians.
But of late he has, in fact, begun lauding Iran, Hizb’allah, and Turkey, even in their oppression of Christians. *Good God*.
More:
Now let us turn the tables for a minute. Let us imagine what would have happened to these eleven Christians led by an ex-muslim pastor in an ISIS-controlled area or in Saudi Arabia which is basically like ISIS? Could you imagine what would happen to them in those places? Do you think they would be sent to jail for one year???
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Now we are supposed to cheer Christians being imprisoned, because other Muslims might do even worse.
The fact is that real Anti-Jihadists oppose *all* persecution of Christians and other Infidels.
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And let also keep in mind that Saudi Arabia, which is the closest US ally in the ME after Israel beheads more people than ISIS and Al-Qaeda combined and that to this day, unlike Iran, Christianity, the Cross and the Bible and ALL other non-islamic religions are still illegal in Saudi Arabia!!!
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Why is “Christianblood” again pretending that Anti-Jihadists here are cheering Saudi Arabia beheading their victims? Utterly false.
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Whereas Iran has hundreds of thousands of Christians, Jewish, Hindus, Sikh, Buddhists, Parsis ad Bahais who all have their worship places and practice their various religions mostly without harassment from the authorities, unless otherwise being suspected as Western spy or Western propagandist which is understandable given the extreme hostility between Iran and the US!
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Allowing a Muslim to come to Christ does *not* make a Christian a “Western spy”. Good grief.
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I personally find it to be extremely hypocritical, when Americans whose successive governments are constantly in bed with Saudi Arabia, with ISIS and with Al-Qaeda dare to single out and condemn Iran which is a far more moderate and a far more tolerant country than the US-allied Saudis and their Takfiri Gulf neighbors!
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Firstly, America is *not* ISIS, as “Christianblood” so often–and grotesquely–claims. Then, all of us here condemn Saudi Arabia, ISIS, and Al Qaida. Pretending that if one does not like persecution from one oppressive sect of Islam that one has to embrace it from the other sect is grotesque and false.
And I have noticed that “Christianblood” is increasingly using the term “Takfiri”–a term only used by Muslims to indicate that other Muslims are not Islamic enough. Why someone who is supposed to be Christian would use such a term is baffling at best, and deeply disturbing at worst.
More:
As we speak, the young Shiite Saudi lady who campaigned for Saudi
women to drive is about to be publicly beheaded by Saudi Arabia in the coming days and yet American MSM and even American conservative bloggers are not reporting this because of the close relationship between the Saudi head-choppers and the American system: Please read the story of Israa al-Ghomgham on the link below:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/saudi-arabia-plans-behead-woman-13119933
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This story has been reported by NBC–one of the big three American news networks:
“Saudi Arabia seeks ‘unprecedented’ beheading for woman activist”
Here’s the New York Times, with the second largest circulation in the country:
“Saudi Arabia Seeks the Death Penalty for Female Activist”
The story has also been reported in Newsweek–one of the largest news magazines. The claim that this story is not being reported in the US is not only false, but so easily disproven that one would think that “Christianblood” would be embarrassed to lie about it. Sadly, this is not the case.
gravenimage says
For some reason, my above comment would not post with links, even though these are to mainstream news sources. But I include the exact headers, so Googling these stories should be a snap.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Don’t tire your self out Graven, I understand that Iran is not a perfect country has no perfect system after all it is a Shiite theocratic government! But my point is that Iran as well as Shiites are far more moderate than the Wahhabi islamists and Wahhabi slamist jihadists that American and the West love, support, arm and train for decades! I also pointed out the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of non-muslims who live in Iran, including thousands of Jews with hundreds of Synagogues and you can’t provide me a single Jew that lives in Saudi Arabia or a single non-islamic worship center in Saudi Arabia and YET SAUDI ARABIA, after Israel, IS THE CLOSEST US ALLY IN THE M.E.
What a shameful hypocrisy! And still because of your government’s propaganda indoctrination, you have the audacity to condemn Iran which is far more moderate than Saudi Arabia, your closest ally! Iran actually fights ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Syria and beyond whereas US covertly and overtly supports, arms and funds these barbaric islamic jihadists for its own political imperialist ends!
Just Last week, 50 small Shiite kids under the age of 8 were murdered in a school bus by Saudi warplanes provided and guided by the US forces and the bomb that killed those 50 small Shiite kids was a 500-pound (227 kilogram) laser-guided MK 82 bomb made by America’s Lockheed Martin!
SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON YOU! US GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY SUPPORTS SAUDIS, ALQAEDA AND ISIS JIHADISTS THAT ARE MASS-MURDERING CHRISTIANS AND OTHER MINORITIES, LIKE THE SHIITES AND THE YAZIDIS! SHAME ON YOU! WATCH AS YOUR OWN PROPAGANDA CHANNEL KNOWN AS THE CNN REPORTS THE MASSACRE OF THESE FIFTY SHIITE KIDS IN THEIR SCHOOL BUS. WATCH:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/middleeast/us-saudi-yemen-bus-strike-intl/index.html
Wellington says
You have, christianblood, among other egregious statements, written here at JW, “America is Antichrist” and “God bless Hezbollah.” No one of sense and knowledge need take you seriously, or anyone like you, who pollutes this site or any site with such garbage, propaganda and idiocy.
gravenimage says
The increasingly appalling “christianblood” wrote:
gravenimage
Don’t tire your self out Graven, I understand that Iran is not a perfect country has no perfect system after all it is a Shiite theocratic government!
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The idea that no countries are better than Shi’ite theocracies is just absurd. I have my issues with Russia, for instance, but this is a *much* better place than the vicious Shari’ah hell hole of Iran.
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But my point is that Iran as well as Shiites are far more moderate than the Wahhabi islamists and Wahhabi slamist jihadists that American and the West love, support, arm and train for decades!
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These are all vicious hell holes. The idea–which “christianblood” has been flogging endless lately–that if we oppose Sunnis oppressing and murdering people that we have to excuse and even applaud Shia doing the same is ludicrous. Anti-Jihadists oppose *all* Jihad and Shari’ah.
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I also pointed out the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of non-muslims who live in Iran, including thousands of Jews with hundreds of Synagogues and you can’t provide me a single Jew that lives in Saudi Arabia or a single non-islamic worship center in Saudi Arabia and YET SAUDI ARABIA, after Israel, IS THE CLOSEST US ALLY IN THE M.E.
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I have said scores of times that Saudi Arabia is a vicious Shari’ah state that supports and funds Da’wa and Jihad–including 9/11. They are no ally of ours–and this is something I write to inform US politicians, journalists, and others about on a regular basis.
His pretending that I support Saudi Arabia’s oppression of Jews and Christians is just ludicrous–when have I *ever* done so? He cannot find a single instance–but anyone can find many examples of my condemning this.
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What a shameful hypocrisy! And still because of your government’s propaganda indoctrination, you have the audacity to condemn Iran which is far more moderate than Saudi Arabia, your closest ally!
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Saudi Arabia is not my ally, nor is it an ally of the United States. There is *nothing* hypocritical about my positions. And I don’t know of any Americans–even those snowed by Taqiyya–who consider the Saudis our “closest ally”.
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Iran actually fights ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Syria and beyond whereas US covertly and overtly supports, arms and funds these barbaric islamic jihadists for its own political imperialist ends!
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“christianblood” continues to claim that the US is behind ISIS and Al-Qaeda, which is just ridiculous. I have noted many times that it was largely the US that drove ISIS out of its territory in Iraq and Syria. Why would we have done that if–as “christianblood” claims, we actually supported the savage brutality of the vicious “Caliphate”?
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Just Last week, 50 small Shiite kids under the age of 8 were murdered in a school bus by Saudi warplanes provided and guided by the US forces and the bomb that killed those 50 small Shiite kids was a 500-pound (227 kilogram) laser-guided MK 82 bomb made by America’s Lockheed Martin!
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I have already condemned this attack–as I always do Muslim-on-Muslim savagery. “christianblood’s” pretending I have not is absurd. I have always said that we should not sell arms to any Muslims.
He, however, is fine with Russia enabling a nuclear Iran–despite there vowing to “wipe Israel off the map”. But given his open support for Hizb’allah waging violent Jihad against them, this does not surprise.
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SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON YOU! US GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY SUPPORTS SAUDIS, ALQAEDA AND ISIS JIHADISTS THAT ARE MASS-MURDERING CHRISTIANS AND OTHER MINORITIES, LIKE THE SHIITES AND THE YAZIDIS! SHAME ON YOU! WATCH AS YOUR OWN PROPAGANDA CHANNEL KNOWN AS THE CNN REPORTS THE MASSACRE OF THESE FIFTY SHIITE KIDS IN THEIR SCHOOL BUS. WATCH:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/middleeast/us-saudi-yemen-bus-strike-intl/index.html
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I have *no* reason to believe that this is propaganda–this appears to be a well researched story. (This does not mean I always support CNN’s skewed editorial policy, but that is another matter).
And no–I have *no* reason to be ashamed for consistently opposing Islamic oppression and savagery.
That “christianblood” has now sunk so low as to openly applaud the persecution of Christians, however, is another matter…
gravenimage says
True, Wellington.
christianblood says
Wellinmgton
America is Anti-Christ, America loves, arms, supports and trains the very islamic jihadists are murdering Christians and other minorities in the M.E and beyond. Hezbollah protects Christians from the US and Saudi-backed jihadists in Syria. That is a FACT and I have a prove for it! You don’t! You simply spew out US state department propaganda and lies, nothing else! I believe Jesus Christ is crying blood over what America and the West are doing to Christians and is pleased over Hezbollah protecting the persecuted Christians in Syriaand beyond! Jesus is extremely pleased to see the photos below but the dark forces of the world like America and its satanic allies will cry over it! See the factual picture below:
https://thesaker.is/a-very-telling-picture-of-a-hezbollah-fighter/
christianblood says
gravenimage
Are you celebrating the fifty Shiite kids murdered in a school bus by a US-provided warplane, a 500 pound and coordinates all provided by the US to their Saudi/Al-Qaeda allies?
What about the US government providing nuclear know-how to their Saudi/ISIS allies?
(..You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel..)
St. Mathew 23:24
See it below:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180221-us-may-open-path-for-saudi-arabia-to-acquire-nuclear-weapons/
gravenimage says
How can “christianblood” claim I am celebrating the killing of children by Muslims when I have expressly condemned it several times here? This is just utter calumny.
And–as I have said umpteen times here–I don’t want to see *any* Infidels enable Muslims getting their hands on nuclear weapons–not in Saudi Arabia, and not in Iran, and not in any other part of Dar-al-Islam.
Walter Sieruk says
Those mullahs and ayatollahs in Iran with their falsehoods and deceptions of the many false doctrines of Islam in which they brainwash the Iranian people in believing is something that is both sad and tragic. Those ayatollahs and mullahs are, no doubt, just as deluded as the people who they thoroughly indoctrinate with false teachings of Islam. Of such demonic deception by false teachers who are also deluded such men a have been predicted in the Bible. For in the Bible it’s written that “Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived.” Second Timothy 3:13. [K.J.V.] All those mullahs and ayatollahs are, according to the doctrines of the Bible, Isaiah 8:20. false religious teachers .Meaning false teachers who teach and indoctrinate the false doctrines of the false religion of Islam into the hearts and minds of others . Such false teachers are described in the Bible ,in Second Peter 2:1. “There were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privately shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
Therefore, to reply to the many different claims made by the imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam there is the Christian internet site. It’s http://www.answering-islam.org
In addition, it should be make clear that in the context and meaning of the above Bible verse Second Peter 2:1. The word “destruction” does not mean “loss of being but loss of well-being ,as the destruction of well- being . That is “going to ruin” by ending up and a terrible place of awful suffering which the Bible call hell, Luke 16:19-31.
christianblood says
Wellington
As the Syrian government prepares a final offensive to liberate Idlib province from the grip of then tens of thousands of jihadists there, John Bolton openly encourages US backed al-Nusra (al-Qaeda) & WhiteHelmets terrorists there to stage ANOTHER FalseFlag Chemical attack to give the US the pretext to bomb Assad’s forces!
Anti-Christ America indeed supports jihadists and hates Christian! See it below:
https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1032322227990147074
gravenimage says
Of course, John Bolton says no such thing. This is a short clip–surely “chirstianblood” has time to watch it before spamming it across the threads?
Opposing chemical attacks does not make one the Anti-Christ. Rather the opposite, in fact.
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(…Of course, John Bolton says no such thing…)
You sound like a fanatical propagandist, Graven! See the video clip below as John Bolton encourages US jihadist proxies in Idlib to fabricate a false flag chemical attack against the Syrian government so that US will have a reason to attack the Syrian army that is fighting Al-Qaeda! Why is the satanic US wants to protect tens of thousands of jihadists concentrated in Idlib from the Syrian army?
Why? See the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzvHyitg5rs
gravenimage says
All one has to do is to watch this clip–which I have seen–to see that Bolton does not say what “christianblood” claims. Really, it is a short clip, and takes no time at all to watch.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Bolton is threatening a Syrian army gearing up to liberate their country from tens of thousands of barbaric of Western and Saudi-backed Al-Qaeda jihadists that took control of Idlib province! Bolton, don’t want the impending defeat of the US jihadist proxies in Idlib and the US, Saudis and Nato will do everything to prevent that!
US is a pro-jihadist, anti-Christ entity!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfXSYkFZPKM&feature=youtu.be
Raja says
Christian blood, With your kind of rantings we don’t iface and other pious Muslims /terrorists to do the dirty job on this site.
Best wishes on your campaign on behalf of Iranian terrorists.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
The truth is that the Christians were not charged account of professing mithraist christianity, they were charge on account of espionage and activities threatening national security just like an American spy Bruston now convicted in Turkey. This is how Christian Evangelists and Jews are being used by the west and fascist evil Zionist State of Israel in muslim countries. There are indigenous mithraist christians and Jews in Iran, but nobody cares about their religious practices. I have jewish relatives in my original home country among whom practicing judaists ,but non of them complained to me that he has faced any mistreatment on account of his/her religion or jewish identity.
don vito says
itace, you’re making things up. The post quotes what these kufr were charge with, did you miss it? “An Iranian court has sentenced 12 Christians to one year in prison for holding worship meetings and evangelizing — crimes that Iran considers to be “propaganda activities.” You wouldn’t be telling kufr a little fib, would you itace? Naughty, naughty -(-(-62)) . What good would it do for your relative to complain to you about islam? They probably know what you would do to them, islamicly sanctioned retribution would be swiftly forthcoming.
boakai ngombu says
itace, your brothers have been attempting to eradicate Christianity from existence since the time of Muhammad (lately contrived; full of lusts; lacking compassion). your brothers haven’t done the job (they’re still trying). why is that?
gravenimage says
The appalling ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
The truth is that the Christians were not charged account of professing mithraist christianity, they were charge on account of espionage and activities threatening national security just like an American spy Bruston now convicted in Turkey.
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What rot. In Islam, preaching Christianity *is* considered “espionage and activities threatening national security”. Ibrahim itace muhammed *himself* has said that preaching Christianity or even practicing it openly is forbidden under Islam and that apostates like Payam Kharaman should be murdered.
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This is how Christian Evangelists and Jews are being used by the west and fascist evil Zionist State of Israel in muslim countries. There are indigenous mithraist (sic) christians and Jews in Iran, but nobody cares about their religious practices.
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As long, of course, as they do not preach their faith, and turn away any Muslims who want to embrace Christ. In Ibrahim itace muhammed’s world, peaceful freedom of religion is “fascist”.
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I have jewish relatives in my original home country among whom practicing judaists ,but non of them complained to me that he has faced any mistreatment on account of his/her religion or jewish identity.
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Ibrahim itace muhammed has said this before. He has also said how much he looks forward to personally taking part in the genocide of the Jews. Considering that Jews and Christians can be murdered for so much as complaining about their persecution at the hands of oppressive Muslims, why would they risk death in telling this vicious Mohammedan that they were being mistreated?
Walter Sieruk says
This hateful and malice -filled hateful persecution of Christians which is incited by the mullahs ans ayatollahs of Iran might be in part explained As explained by the Christian author, William Wagner,, in his book which is entitled HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD had explained on page 155 about a meeting that he had with a Muslim cleric , which reads “Several years ago one Imam told me that ,prior to 1990, the greatest enemy to Islam was Communism but now it is the Christian missions.” Further, on page 208 the Wagner had written about some zealous Muslims that “They have failed to stop Christian missions. They see Christian missions as their number one enemy.” On the very next page the reader is informed that “Christianity remains the number one buffer against Islam, a fact readily recognized by those who seek a world wild ummah.” [1]
Ummah – The community of all those who affirm Islam.
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Walter Sieruk says
As to why those Muslims of Iran so strongly dislike Christians. to such a passion filled hate that they even become violence against them and burn their Bibles. One reason for this is that in the mosques and madrasas the Muslim clerics, as the mullahs who speak many awful and unproven terrible things against Christians and Christian doctrine. So much so the many Muslims get all worked up against Christians and Christian teachings and some those Muslims commit violent actions against Christians. Such false religious teachers, as for those mullahs , who speak to people unfounded and invalid evil things about Christians and Christian doctrines have been described in the Bible. For the Bible informs the reader in Second Peter 2:12. “They speak evil of things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption.” [N.K.J.V.]
It also should be make clear that in this specific above Bible verse, as well as in John 3:16. The word “Perish” does not mean loss of being but loss of well-being. As in going to ruin by ending up in languishing in torment in a terrible place of suffering that the Bible calls hell. Luke 16:19-31.
somehistory says
They fear the truth. They hate the truth. They fear that someone may realize just how evil islam is and how much freedom there is in Christianity, how much happiness and goodness, kindness and life.
satan the devil is in charge of islam and his children work for him. satan fears the truth and hates the truth and hates Christ and all things right and good.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
don Vito, I’m not relying on the biased story in the so-called Christian by Samuel Smith as part of that empty Propaganda of persecuting Christians , i am relying on what actually happened inside Iran. These christians were never charged on account of being christians, but on account of espionage. Go to Iran and confirm, i can guarantee you access to the whole trials for you to decipher.
gravenimage says
It is, of course, not just Christian sources reporting this story, as Ibrahim itace muhammed pretends:
“Iran Sentences 12 Members Of Church To Prison For Practicing Christianity”
https://iran-hrm.com/index.php/2018/08/16/iran-sentences-church-prison-practicing-christianity/
The specific charges include “Propagating against the state in favor of Christianity.” and “orientation toward the land of Christianity”. In other words, preaching and practicing Christianity.
The Iranian penal code specifies the death sentence for proselytizing and attempts by non-Muslims to convert Muslims, as well as for moharebeh (“enmity against God”) and sabb al-nabi (“insulting the prophet”).”
And *of course* he wants people here to go to Iran and inquire about this case–and wind up in prison themselves.
Indiana Tom says
These christians were never charged on account of being christians, but on account of espionage.
Additionally, the Christians were charged with “inclination to the land of Christianity.”
Whatever and wherever that is.
Anybody and any animal that the Islamic Iranians do not like is guilty of espionage and inclination towards Judaism or Christianity..
This is just how ridiculous Muslims really are.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/14/its-not-just-lizards-in-iran–other-creatures-tagged-as-spies.html
gravenimage says
Spot on, Indiana Tom.
christianblood says
Indiana Tom
(…These Christians were never charged on account of being Christians, but on account of espionage…)
That is true and please compare this to the fifty Shiite school kids, all under the age of 8 who were murdered last week in their school bus in Yemen by a 500 pound bomb, a warplane and guiding system all provided by the USA to the Saudi Arabian jihadist state! Watch as CNN documents this below:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/middleeast/us-saudi-yemen-bus-strike-intl/index.html
gravenimage says
Of course, “Christianblood’s” pretending that Indiana Tom was agreeing with him on the oppression of these Christians is absurd.
And I and other Anti-Jihadists here have said many times that selling arms to Muslim countries is a very bad idea. Muslims are always slaughtering each other–including targeting civilians.
don vito says
itace, you answered part of my post, but what about your relative complaining to you about your religion? You expect a kufr like me to believe anything the islamic republic publishes? I don’t think so. If you refuse to accept the cited report, then how will you build bridges to kufr?
Darryl Kerney says
just got 24 hr ban on fascist book for posting a geller report article…..
the one about the “rights” of muslim men over non muslim women…..
first time being banned.
gravenimage says
Repulsive, Darryl–thanks for the information.
Now you can’t say anything negative about oppression of woman on Facebook.
Darryl Kerney says
in the “this is a mistake” reply form i told them to stop censoring and violating free speech, and to prove my post factually wrong.
likely futile but, recently they tried deleting one of my posts, again i let them have it on the reply form that says it won’t affect their decision, (re: imams quoting hadith of muhammad about the Last Hour, when the muslims kill the jews…), i told them i can prove that what i said is authentic real islam and could show them the islamic texts that say so. that post stayed up, so, i won that one i guess but now i’m probably in their sites. my other geller report post about that huge rally in MN didn’t get flagged though….
Darryl Kerney says
opps, …sights…
gravenimage says
Thanks for the update. Truth does not seem to matter.
Darryl Kerney says
At least 2 more i know of banned for posting the same story….
gravenimage says
This just keeps getting worse.
StellaSaidSo says
That’ll do it, Darryl. The mere mention of Geller’s name will do it. And truth is no defence anymore. When truth is no defence, there is no defence. Such is the new world order we live in.
Darryl Kerney says
And yet there was apparently no issue with the other geller report article i posted, the one about the huge rally in MN, i guess it’s too obviously true to censor, but the one they flagged contained facts already in the public domain before being written, the statements of muslims convicted of raping non muslim women. How me sharing that is “offensive” when what they said and did is horrific with actual physical harm being inflicted and then “justifying” it, is quite a twisted morality and denial of facts, in the guise of “fighting fake news”……
gravenimage says
Islamic Republic of Iran sentences 12 Christians to prison for house church, evangelism
……………………….
Appalling, but no surprise. Anyone who thought our dealing with the Mullahs and giving them money would make them more “moderate” was very much mistaken.
Wellington says
There is no good reason why an informed Christian should defend Islam. An informed Christian defending Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Taoism et al.? Yes.
But NO Christian should ever defend Islam because, among other reasons, 1) Islam denies the crucifixion of Jesus (in Sura 4:136 onwards); 2) Islam has Jesus throwing all Christians into Hell at the end of the world for deifying Him; 3) In Islamic law Christians are declared (along with Jews) “the vilest of creatures” {Sura 98:6}; 4) Jesus had no one killed or harmed upon his orders while Mohammed had thousands killed or harmed upon his instructions; 5) Christianity, like other religions such as Buddhism and Judaism, has a Golden Rule for all, contra Islam which has a Golden Rule only for fellow Muslims; 6) the character of Mohammed is that of a psychopath, narcissist, pedophile and rapist, none of which negatives can be in any way attributed to Jesus.
Well, this is a just a “short list” of reasons why no informed Christian should have any respect for Islam. Be assured, though, that a much longer list exists. Boy, does it ever.
somehistory says
“Islam which has a Golden Rule only for fellow Muslims; ”
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If rhey had even this, they would not kill their children, rape their children. force their daughters to endure daily rape and call it “marriage,’ mutilate their children, or beat their wives and force them to wear abominable clothing no matter the weather. and mothers wouldn’t treat their daughters as they had been treated….as many have done, even in this country.
gravenimage says
Grimly true,Somehistory–it is even worse than Wellington notes.
Indiana Tom says
Guy sure has a Satanic grin.
StellaSaidSo says
He just spotted a kiddie he fancies.
FYI says
muslims don’t respect either Judaism or Christianity. The fact is that allah claims to be the author of both the Torah and the Gospel i.e the Bible{the “mithraist” one the islamic troll keeps talking about….}
“He hath revealed unto thee {muhammed} the scripture with truth,
confirming that which was revealed before it,even as he revealed the Torah and the Gospel”
koran 3:3
So allah claims to be the author of both the Torah and the Gospel {=the Bible}as well as the koran.
The koran however, does NOT confirm “What was revealed before” in the Bible{The Torah,the Gospel}
in fact the koran TOTALLY contradicts the Bible.If allah claims to be the author of the Bible then the “allah” of the Bible cannot be the “allah” of the Koran because they completely contradict each other.
The koran contradicts the Torah by teaching things which are completely at odds with God’s Official Commandments ..and in k5:51 allah clearly rejects the 2nd chief Commandment{which is found in both the Torah AND the Gospel but not in the koran:k5:51 is in fact a clear repudiation of God’s 2nd chief commandment}
It seems allah does not understand the role of the Jews either.According to Jesus Christ in the NT “It is from the Jews that salvation comes”.Yet allah CURSES the Jews in k2:65 etc…..for being Jews!
The koran contradicts the Gospel by denying everything about Jesus Christ and even denying in koran 4:171 the source of God’s Wisdom and that aspect of God from which Biblical prophecy comes{as revealed by Jesus Christ}
“They slew him not nor crucified him but it appeared so unto them”koran 4:157
Clearly,allah’s denial of Christ’s crucifixion is utterly contradicted by the Gospel{the
very same Gospel allah ,in his koran,claims to be the author of!}
If allah is the author of the Gospel{which relates Christ’s crucifixion} he contradicts this in his koran in k:157[which denies it ever happened}
So allah {“The best of deceivers”.. which he certainly is!} who claims to be the author of the Bible ,contradicts himself completely in the koran.The only way muslims can deal with this is to say that the original scriptures were somehow corrupted.
In fact the error is in the koran:allah tells muhammed ,if in doubt, he is to consult the Bible.If the Bible{“The scripture that was before”} was in error,allah would not refer his “prophet” to it.Yet the koran itself DISAGREES with the Bible.
“And if thou muhammed art in doubt concerning that which WE reveal unto thee,then question those who read the scripture that was before thee”
koran 10:94
“Those who read the scripture that was before{thee}”:is that not the Jews with the Torah and Christians with the Gospel?Didn’t allah claim in k3:3 to be the author of these books?
But allah CURSES the Jews in koran 9:30 for being Jews and christians in koran 9:30 simply for following Jesus Christ:But allah claims to be the author of the Gospel which ….he clearly rejects by denying Christ!!
allah in his koran denies and contradicts both the Gospel and the Torah,both of which he claims to be the author of!
the islamic koranic allah is obviously NOT the Judeo-christian Biblical God.
But he does try:that’s why he is “the best of deceivers” k3:54
Lydia Church says
Okay, here comes a heavy dose of truth….
The God of the Christian Bible is the only true God.
The Gospel is the one path to salvation.
Christianity is the one true religion of God.
Christians are His people.
They spread His message and live according to His ways.
The devil, on the other hand, hates God and thus hates all things
that pertain to God; the Bible, Christianity, and God’s people,
the Christian Church.
So the devil sets out to attack all of these things of God,
and uses his servants to carry that out, and these servants take
many forms.
There are many examples of this spanning space and time.
This news item is one of them.
Kafir Boy says
In US still arguments are going on, about Obama whether he is 12 th imam or 13 th. But In Iran , they control the globe using illuminates and new world order. They use puppets and proxies to achieve targets. Imam Khamaini said “Bill Gate is just a poster boy, But I have secret gold collection which is 10 times more than him”. He said recent flood in India “Allah punished Kafir fools”.