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Jack is an Orthodox Jew. He refuses to be filmed at Speaker’s Corner because he’d be killed. This is today’s UK.

Aug 7, 2018 9:00 am By Joshua Winston

Jack is an Orthodox Jew and he goes to Speaker’s Corner because he enjoys debate and speaking with people. It should be noted that Jack is not his real name.

Joshua Winston – What is the point of going to Speaker’s Corner for you if you’re afraid to show your face in order to put your views across?

Jack – Sometimes you get a good debate. Muslims believe in the Torah and the New Testament, they just say that both are corrupted. Muslims believe in Moses and Jesus, and they say that we got lost and that Muhammad saved us.

JW – Without Christianity and Judaism, Islam could not exist. It’s not original.

Jack – The proof that Muslims want to give is to say that if you read the Quran in the original Arabic, you’ll be immediately convinced that only God could have written such a book.

JW – But even that’s problematic in terms of having been written in classical Arabic, multiple compilations, and the problem of the later inclusion of diacritical markings.

Jack – Professors in many universities around the world who can speak classical Arabic will tell you the same thing, and the same with Muslims who leave Islam. I feel they do it out of spite. Some will accept the shortcomings openly, and others will only acknowledge the Islamic and Quranic failings in private. There’s a part of the Quran called the bismillah (in the name of Allah), and many Muslims deny the validity of the bismillah. So even among Arabic-speaking Muslims, there is still a lot of disagreement about the Quran, and the proof that they give is false.

JW – As a Jew in London, do you feel safe? I’m reading that a lot of European Jews are flocking to Israel.

Jack – Initially, when I came to Speakers’ Corner, I was very hesitant and afraid, but I think a lot of it is really just hype when you read that people are fleeing certain countries.

JW – And yet here you are afraid to show your face.

Jack – Well, this is true, and I do accept that there are enough extremists out there who would target me, and I’d quite like to live a few years longer. I met a guy here last week called Abbas, and he told me there is no justification for the state of Israel. It means we’re in a perpetual state of dispute until one side kills the other.

JW – What I like about Judaism and Christianity is that they have a great history of remarkable thinkers. They question who and what and where God is, whereas Muslims seem to take the Quran very literally.

Jack – I would disagree. I’ve spoken to a lot of Muslims that I can debate with and who can answer questions, whereas most of them are obscurists.

JW – The problem I have with Muslims I encounter is that they tell you that you have to speak Arabic in order to understand the Quran. This throws up a number of problems. 1 – only native Arabic-speakers can truly be Muslims. 2 – No one can ever convert to Islam because, according to Muslims, the Quran is untranslatable. 3 – All the imams in the UK are unable to impart the knowledge of the Quran to their English-speaking congregants.

Jack – I think what they mean is that a person can learn Arabic, but they won’t be completely convinced of the Quran’s truths because Arabic is not their first language.

JW – Do you have a vision for how we will all live peacefully together religiously?

Jack – It will come down to dialoguing with Muslims. Some you can talk to, others you can’t. And people tend to ask Muslims the wrong questions in a bid to change their minds. People tend to focus on Muhammad’s child bride or his other misdeeds. This will simply make people more resolute in their belief system if they’re provoked or attacked like this. People will always believe in whatever it is their book says their Creator says, but the real challenge, and better question to ask someone of any faith is, “Why do you believe God said or did this thing in the first place?”

JW – The last thing I would say is that Jews are starting to be attacked for the same reasons as Muslims are – kosher, parallel legal systems, treatment of women, etc. But Jews don’t look for converts, they’re not violent people, they keep to themselves, whereas nowadays it’s becoming impossible to buy a piece of meat or other foodstuff that doesn’t have a halal label stamped on to it. It’s also a long, arduous process to become a Jew, whereas I could become a Muslim by uttering one statement.

Jack – Yes, our legal system isn’t opposed upon other people. It’s kept within our own community and we don’t seek to change any country’s laws. As far as kosher goes, we have very strict dietary laws which extend to what utensils can be used to cook particular food. Whereas halal is being imposed on other people, and sharia is impacting upon other people’s lives, from freedom of speech to changes in the UK’s legal system insofar as what constitutes a hate crime. It’s now even a crime if someone feels offended. This is all thanks to Islam.

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  1. cornelius says

    Aug 7, 2018 at 9:12 am

    On the one hand, fear of extremism is just “hype”….on the other, he’s afraid to show his face. Sounds like ‘Jack’ is in a bit of denial.

    • Isaac says

      Aug 7, 2018 at 12:26 pm

      sounds like you’re a bit of a prick.

      • Angus66 says

        Aug 7, 2018 at 1:47 pm

        sounds like you’re a bit of a prick.
        ——————————————————————————-

        Really? That’s your reply? What did he say that makes him “a bit of a prick”?

        I got the exact same impression from the interview – that “Jack” made several statements that contradict each other. This casts doubt on what he really believes.

        It’s not that hard to understand.

        • Roland Tours says

          Aug 7, 2018 at 3:52 pm

          I agree with Cornelius and Angus66 that Jack is both rightly afraid to show his face and confused about Islam. I visited Speakers Corner 10 or 15 years ago. It was already a menacing place. I saw a British Jew heckled and harassed. He couldn’t get more than a word out of his mouth at a time.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 7, 2018 at 10:01 pm

          I also agree with Cornelius, Angus, and Roland.

          Jack is a very brave man, but he is in a bit of denial.

        • thesailor says

          Aug 8, 2018 at 5:49 am

          I agree. He did not to me make any sense at all until the last statement, which summed things up quite well.

    • mortimer says

      Aug 7, 2018 at 2:16 pm

      Half agreement with Cornelius.

      I think Jack truly believes that dialogue will be effective, but ultimately I disagree with Jack on that. Muslims will only pretend to dialogue, but keep their supremacism well hidden…TAQIYYA.

      As for debating with Muslims, I think that the TEXTUAL ERRORS in the Koran are THE MOST VULNERABLE part of what they believe in and the quickest route to unhorse a Muslim. They cannot deny the TEXTUAL PROBLEMS for there are so many of them.

      A book that is supposedly ‘perfect, complete and eternal’ and the DIRECT WORDS of Allah cannot have inconsistencies, incoherencies, anomalies or factual errors or grammatical errors. The Koran is FILLED with such errors and is entirely ABSURD from cover to cover when observed from the point of view of modernism and RATIONAL THOUGHT and LOGIC.

      Far from being ‘clear’ as it claims, the Koran is obscure and incomprehensible. Far from being ‘eternal’ it appears to be SITUATIONAL ETHICS for an opportunistic conman Mohammed.

      Only a complete obscurantist can accept the Koran is inspired.

      • thesailor says

        Aug 8, 2018 at 6:02 am

        I have always believed that the Koran in its original Arabic can be understood by only a miniscule number of Muslims. Essentially most are fed only whatever tripe their local Imam pumps out.

  2. PRCS says

    Aug 7, 2018 at 11:50 am

    Jack, Jack, Jack.

    They’re not extremists.

    • mortimer says

      Aug 7, 2018 at 7:30 pm

      Agree. Muslims who practice ALL of Islam are devout, believing Muslims. They practice ALL of what Allah taught through Mohammed. They try as much as possible to IMITATE the vicious, heartless barbarity and sexual depravity of Mohammed.

      Muslims who are ‘MODERN’ are practicing cafeteria Islam or ‘ISLAM-À-LA-CARTE’.

      ‘ISLAM-À-LA-CARTE’ or self-directed Islam is not the ORTHODOX Islam of THE CONSENUS which is required of all Muslims without exception.

      • mortimer says

        Aug 7, 2018 at 7:33 pm

        ‘ISLAM-À-LA-CARTE’ or self-directed Islam is actually BIDA (invention) and KUFR (wrong worshipping). It is NOT permitted to try to MODERNIZE ISLAM.

        Kufrul-Istibdaal: Disbelief because of trying to substitute Allaah’s Laws. This could take the form of:

        (a) Rejection of Allaah’s law (Sharee’ah) without denying it

        (b) Denial of Allaah’s law and therefore rejecting it, or

        (c) Substituting Allaah’s laws with man-made laws. Allaah subhanahu wa ta’ala says: Or have they partners with Allaah who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed. [Soorah Shuraa(42), Ayah 8] Allaah subhanahu wa ta’ala says: Say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely (that) is lawful and this is forbidden so as to invent a lie against Allaah. Verily, those who invent a lie against Allaah will never prosper. [Soorah Nahl (16), Ayah 116]

  3. GungaDin says

    Aug 7, 2018 at 1:18 pm

    As a US serviceman back in 1960, I was stationed at RAF Bruntingrthorpe in the Midlands.

    I cannot believe the accounts of the changes that have happened to England over the last 60 years.
    At one time I had a desire to visit the Midlands again but from what I have read about the UK, I think I will spend my tourist dollars somewhere else in Europe. Pity.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 7, 2018 at 10:04 pm

      Sadly agree.

  4. mortimer says

    Aug 7, 2018 at 2:01 pm

    Our Jewish friend Jack here is quite reasonable about fearing JIHAD TERRORISM directed against himself, because … well … there are ISLAMIC TERRORISTS living in England … tens of thousands of them according to Scotland Yard.

    To the politicians, I ask: WHY HAVE YOU ALLOWED SO MANY THOUSANDS OF TERRORISTS INTO THE UK?

    As well, I ask UK politicians: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO DEPROGRAM the TERRORISTS?

    Starting developing an ADVANCED, MODERN PROTOCOL to effectively DEPROGRAM ANY MUSLIM RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM.

    ‘ABSOLUTE’ DEPROGRAMMING is the only kind that will work.

    • ItsReallyQuiteClear says

      Aug 7, 2018 at 2:52 pm

      Mortimer,

      I’ve learned so much from your comments here that I couldn’t begin to thank you adequately for sharing your knowledge. It’s for that reason that I’ve tried so hard to ferret out what you are referring to when you advocate for this “absolute deprogramming”. The closest thing I can come up with is the deprogramming model that was used to try to get people out of cults, primarily during the 1970s and ’80s.

      Wikipedia provides an overview of this model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming, including some discussion of why it was largely abandoned. In the current environment of hyper-political correctness, liberalism, and litigiousness, I would expect this approach to be even more problematic to implement.

      How many Muslims do you suggest could be deprogrammed? How many do you think require deprogramming? And what methods exactly, or even generally, are you referring to?

      Thanks in advance for clarification.

      • mortimer says

        Aug 7, 2018 at 7:39 pm

        Dear ‘ItsReallyQuiteClear’, my own term “absolute deprogramming” simply means the use of the BEST COUNTERJIHAD UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS to design a course of study to implemented with professional videos, pamphlets and books.

        This THOROUGH DEPROGRAMMING of Muslims ‘RIGHT OUT OF ISLAM’ will require GOVERNMENT financing and security, because jihad terrorists will target the deprogrammers and their families.

        Such deprogrammers will give their lives for this task and live in complete seclusion on army bases as scientists did during the “MANHATTAN PROJECT”.

        It is an INTELLECTUAL or SPIRITUAL EQUIVALENT of the atom bomb. It will destroy Islam if many Muslims are deprogrammed this way. They will ‘GRADUATE’ from this programme after they have successfully DEPROGRAMMED other Muslims.

        It’s the only thing that will destroy Islam.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 7, 2018 at 10:09 pm

          Why would you think that something that has never worked is the only thing that will work? You have never explained this, Mortimer.

        • Carol the 1st says

          Aug 9, 2018 at 12:17 am

          Mortimer…Will these hordes of muslims be our captives somehow, or mainly volunteers? Will taxpayers support them on site or will they be outpatients attending daily while layers of our bodyguards protect them, their families, and their properties? The ummah would surely snap its fingers and stir up the usual hornet nests and costs would escalate astronomically.

          This pet project of yours sounds like it might sell as a science fiction movie plot (but who could you get who would to volunteer their theaters? Who could you get to buy a ticket?). Everyone understands death and maiming.

          There must be more realistic, practical and efficient ways of dealing with an intransigent bottomless pit of a treacherous scourge.

  5. elisheva says

    Aug 7, 2018 at 4:20 pm

    It’s nigh time for the Jews of the UK to be leaving. The party’s over. Antisemitic attacks are at an all time high, and in the present climate nothing will be done to protect Jews. Do it now whilst you still can on your own times. Finito, nigmar, capisci?

  6. gravenimage says

    Aug 7, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    Jack is an Orthodox Jew. He refuses to be filmed at Speaker’s Corner because he’d be killed. This is today’s UK.
    ………………………

    Jack is a very brave man. That he should have to be in Britain today merely to talk to Muslims is appalling.

    I agree with him on most points–but I doubt “dialoging” with Muslims will do much good–especially since so many of them are willing to murder you if you try.

    I also disagree that we should not be able to bring up matters like Muhammed’s terrible pedophilic rape of little Aisha. We have every right to oppose such savagery. If this makes many Muslims more apt than ever to defend the barbarism of Islam, this says more about them than about civilized Infidels.

    Still, a courageous and principled man.

  7. Edward Cline says

    Aug 8, 2018 at 8:49 am

    Jack confuses me. I’m an atheist. Have been since I was sixteen. Whether or not the Koran is “translatable” from Arabic is moot. Muslims, like Christians, believe in a ghost whose existence is not only metaphysically impossible but existentially absurd. I don’t think that people learning the chicken scratch of Arabic will help them better understand the Koran, when it’s been translated numerous times. You may as well better understand all of Grimms’ fairy tales, or a “true” translation of Mein Kampf. Islam poses a just another primitive moral guide (and a “superior” one,yet). And look at it; it’s barbarism. Jack devotes a lot of time and energy to fighting Islam when he should just tell Muslims, “You’re fools, Spineless, mentally challenged nitwits.”

  8. Sam says

    Aug 8, 2018 at 10:57 am

    I am not fallowing this Jack guy. What is his game plan? “We are not asking the “right” questions to muslims”

    It is us, infidels must be politically correct to have a conversation with a muslims and muslims do not have to do anything different but keep on praying on infidels.

    What a sick attitude we have against this evil cult called Islam.

    Islam is evil and muslims are ignorant or evil themselves. This is the TRUTH. Period

    • Carol the 1st says

      Aug 8, 2018 at 11:45 pm

      Islam rears its brutal, absurd face every day all over the world. Jack seems like a “tail wagger” when “ball snippers” should be rushed to the scene.

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