No one should be surprised. This is the Qur’an, this is Sharia.
“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.” (Qur’an 5:33)
Remember this one the next time someone tells you that anti-Sharia initiatives are “racist” and “Islamophobic.”
“Saudi Arabia carries out a rare CRUCIFIXION on a Myanmar man accused of stabbing a woman to death in her home,” by Charlie Moore, Mailonline, August 8, 2018 (thanks to Paul):
Saudi Arabia has executed and crucified a man who stabbed a woman to death.
The man from Myanmar was beheaded and his body put on display on a cross in Mecca on Wednesday.
Elias Jamaleddeen broke into a woman’s home firing a gun and then stabbed her.
He was convicted of robbing her home and another, attempted rape, and stealing firearms and ammunition.
His conviction was upheld by the courts and his execution was endorsed by King Salman, the state-run Saudi Press Agency said.
Saudi Arabia is one of the world’s top executioners, but crucifixions – in which the condemned is usually beheaded and then the body put on display – are rare.
In the first four months of this year, the kingdom executed 48 people, half of them on non-violent drug charges, Human Rights Watch said.
Suspects convicted of terrorism, homicide, rape, armed robbery and drug trafficking face the death penalty….
lebel says
Just so I’m clear, we are against this because it is cruel and unusual punishment right?
we’re not arguing against the death penalty here, just the method of execution correct?
mortimer says
No, Lebel, most of us are abolitionists, but I now make an exception for JIHADIST-TERRORISTS LIKE YOU who actively seek death ‘for the sake of Allah’ and TERRORIZE the DIRTY KUFAAR.
Since JIHAD-TERRORISTS like you seek death, I have changed my mind and now approve of the death sentence for JIHAD-TERRORISTS.
Lebel, no sensible person can remain in a DEATH CULT like yours.
lebel says
Thanks for the constructive feedback, Mortimer.
christianblood says
Saudi Arabia, a very close US ally and yet the financial, the ideological and the religious roots of the global islamic jihadist movements, including 9/11 attackers! What an outrageous hypocrisy and deception!
Even Recently, the degenerate and satanic drivers of US pope culture
aka (Hollywood) gave an Oscar to Al-Qaeda “White Helmets”!!! Please Go to mark 1:12 of the video clip below and see all the gasps and the cries of the US Hollywood celebrities after announcing the name of the winners of this Oscar, “White Helmets”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_MZKRG3frQ
Rarely says
It was a documentary.
christianblood says
Rarely
It was Oscar given to Al-Qaeda “White Helmets” by the degenerate Anti-Christ, anti-family satanic Hollywood!
Rarely says
So you are against Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression as produced by movie makers? So make your own movies.
BTW The white Helmets may not be devils you believe.
Also, maybe the documentary was good enough to win an Oscar.
What did you think of “Bowling for Columbine”?
gravenimage says
Quite correct, Rarely.
gravenimage says
Rarely, Christianblood has said that he hates freedom.
christianblood says
I am not talking about a documentary, I am talking Hollywood giving Al-Qaeda “White Helmets” an Oscar! This is not a new thing, Satanic US have been backing islamic jihadists for decades:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86B-7fbqD0
christianblood says
gravenimage
What is freedom? Can you define it!
There is NO freedom in the West, the little that exists is only for liberals and globalists! Understand that the Facebook, Twitter and others are now, with the help of the “deep state” suspending libertarians and conservatives, people like Ron Paul, Alex Jones and others. You call that freedom? Why does Wikileaks publisher Julian Assange is Holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in the UK for 6 years? That is your Freedom?
gravenimage says
Christianblood’s claiming that since freedom is being eroded in the West that it needs to be thrown out in favor of Shari’ah under the Mullahs–which he has lauded–is, of course, grotesque.
Some of us believe in freedom and are fighting for it, rather than rolling over for the savagery of Shari’ah.
Rarely says
His headless body was crucified. He likely didn’t feel it very much.
Rarely says
Mr. Spencer.
If I am reading the article correctly the headline is very misleading. That they desecrated the body (by our rules) is pretty disgusting but he was, after all, dead at the time.
christianblood says
Saudi Arabia=ISIS
Watch this extremely GRAPHIC Saudi public beheading. Be warned. This is NOT for the fainthearted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJidda/SA1cgODJfnlw
gravenimage says
Rarely, crucifixion is not always carried out by Muslims after execution:
“‘If you love Jesus, you will die like Jesus’ ISIS savages crucify Christian for FIVE HOURS”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739303/isis-crucify-christian-die-like-jesus-five-hours-iraq
gravenimage says
I cannot access that video Christianblood posted–but he is right that beheadings in Saudi Arabia are utterly brutal.
Of course, hanging people from cranes and stoning them to death in Iran is brutal, as well–but Christianblood lauds these as “resistance” to the United States.
christianblood says
US, Saudi Arabia and Nato back these head-choppers and gave them Billions of dollars in Syria and other places like Libya, Kosovo, Bosnia, Yemen and other places. Watch the video clip below as US and Saudi-backed islamic jihadist cut open the body of a dead Syrian soldier and then eats the dead man’s heart live on video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZUraRor1o
Rarely says
FYI. The guillotine was not banned in France until 1981. The last person beheaded by it was in 1977 and the last public execution by guillotine in France was in 1939. Death by hanging was a common practice in the U.S. and is hardly less barbaric — especially so when it’s a lynching.
Get real folks.
gravenimage says
Christianblood, the thing is that everybody here condemns Jihad, wherever it occurs. Would that were the same with yourself.
gravenimage says
Rarely, *surely* you aren’t saying that we have to wink at *crucifixion* because the West has at some times had the death penalty?
And you must realize that lynching was always illegal?
I know you have practiced false moral equivalence here from time to time–but do you really want to make a stand castigating those who find crucifixion repugnant?
christianblood says
gravenimage
But the US and Western governments and societies who hate Christians are 100% collaborating with these SAVAGES and are backing them! THIS IS REALLY EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY OUTRAGEOUS TO ME AND I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS NOT TO YOU???? That is our difference!
Rarely says
Gravenimage.
They didn’t crucify a person. They crucified the remains of an already dead person. Bad form? Crude? Disrespectful? Sure BUT I’m sure the victim felt no pain. I find it silly when people are in favour of putting him to death but are outraged that his DEAD body is treated with disrespect.
CogitoErgoSum says
Rarely, treating a dead body with respect is for the benefit of the living and not the dead. It speaks to the mindset one has towards the value of other human beings and toward ourselves. While we are in the body each one of us is responsible for caring for that body and treating it with respect. If we are incapable of doing it for ourselves, someone else does it for us. A parent does it for a small child; an adult child does it for an elderly parent. We don’t just toss aside as garbage those who are incapable of caring for their own body. I think that responsibility extends to seeing that the body of every human being after his/her death receives a burial (or some other manner of disposal of the body) that is dignified and respectful and which signifies that we believe everyone is entitled to some bare minimum of respect …. even if it’s just a respectful burial.
Of course, it would appear that Islam does not teach as much and its adherents believe that some are not worth anything at all …. except for mockery even after death. Such is the hatred in their hearts which degrades the human spirit and places it in a place as vile as any pit full of steaming garbage.
gravenimage says
Christianblood claims that all Westerners back Islamic savagery, but this clearly is not the case with Anti-Jihadists. We condemn this barbarism.
Meanwhile, he actually *does* not just back the horrors of Jihad and Shari’ah when performed by Iran and Hizb’allah, going so far as to laud it as “resistance” to American values.
gravenimage says
Agreed, CogitoErgoSum.
And in almost every case, where people desecrate dead bodies they are also very cruel to the living.
This is *certainly* the case in Saudi Arabia and much of the Muslim world.
ann says
I agree with you. This man apparently broke into the woman’s home, raped, robbed, and stabbed her. He deserved the death penalty. The Saudi executioners are trained and their beheading is very quick, I wouldn’t say it was cruel and inhumane. The desecrating of his body is repugnant, but the man was already dead.
christianblood says
ann
Saudi Arabia, the perpetrator of 9/11 and the financial and ideological root of every single jihad attack around the globe is a close US ally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f35TUFmCtYY
gravenimage says
Saudi Arabia is not behind every Jihad terror attack–but they are a major funder of Jihad terror. They are *not* our ally.
christianblood says
graveinimage
The ideology, the religiosity, the traditions and the islamic faith itself is based on Saudi Arabia! Saudi Arabia is the ‘holiest’ islamic country where every muslim has to face five times a day when praying (and must visit for Haj) and where the very root of islamic ideological supremacism is emanating from!
gravenimage says
This is true–and Saudi Arabia is a repulsive Shari’ah hell hole. They are also perpetrating brutal Da’wa all over the world, as well as backing and funding Jihad terrorism. I condemn any barbaric Shari’ah crap hole–if only Christianblood would do the same.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Trust the holier than thou christians to overreact . As they are on a mission to malign Islam. Period.
Hindus would do well to read about christian Inquisitions in India with a view to converting all to christianity. THAT is most horrendous & barbaric.
Christian so called liberal countries like uk -amrikAA etc want to export debauchery all over. Have been quite successful at it too.
Cleverly cloaking it as ”democracyee human rights liberal blah blah. Thus coercing everyone else to accept gay rights gay marriages , pre marital extra marital promiscuity calling it wommman’s rights freedom….When SANE people resist west screams ” aiyo aiyo sharia…Islam…”.
Utterly THOROUGHLY bored of lyse doucets etc of bbc permanently depositing their respirating carcasses all over Middle Eastern Countries finding fault with Saudi Arabia , Islam , Iraq , Iran , Yemen,Syria , Libya & so on.
Several decades ago one such uber sanctimonious christian pontificated to Ramana Bhagavan on capital punishment ..beheading blah blah who was curtly silenced by Bhagavan pointing out :-
” It is people like you who behead , maim , impoverish billions all over the world by waging wars …religious crusades…”.
Had the victim been a christian & the murderer given a light sentence lyse doucets would have screeched in loudest decibels….” women’s rights have no place in Saudi Arabia…”.
In India itself lot of Hindus have been calling for similar punishments to be implemented in India too.
Chaotic India is a cheap cheap clone of expired british colonial empire following some hotch potch legal jurisprudence. With the result all those who are guilty of such crimes as rape , theft , cheating etc get acquitted . And it is precisely they who turn into serial rapists , big time scamsters , dacoits eventually becoming members of parliament , members of legislative assemblies.
When Hindus’ Bharath was ruled over by no nonsense Kings we too had similar Sharia styled punishments being given commensurate with the crimes committed.
When someone got killed for eloping with their daughter at once bbc ( tim cox) screamed ”aiyo aiyo castesim..honour killing”…
When their own Princess Diana along with Farookh Dondy were killed in an engineered accident at the behest of uk’s royal family not a whimper against their royal queeeeeen.
These are the double standards of notorious christians.
Watch Django Unchained , Thirty Years A Slave to get a taste of REVOLTING christian commpppassion ( compassion) .
Hector Archytas says
Django Unchained is pure fiction. The truth is that Christian did not castrate their African slave and let them having children. So, they have issues with their descendance.
They know about castration. It make the slave docile and productive.
So, Why not ? Compassion ?
christianblood says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi
You are here to bash Christians when islamists killed 80 million Hindus and converted many more to Islam for the 800 years they ruled India! If you are a good moral Hindu, go solve the huge evil practices that still exist in Hinduism, practices like very ugly discrimination and slavery of the untouchables and lower cast peoples and Temple prostitution of tens of thousands of very poor,low cast young girls, like in the video below: Watch this evil the Hindus tolerate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GFaN9-1iz0
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Saving the world is not my job or vocation.
America is generally held to be fair minded . So I expected reasonable fairness in reporting. That is sorely missing.
I have been living in a Muslim Country . I find Arabs are very very good , ensuring very good governance. Incredibly superior to what India offers.
Hindus like me ( I am a Brahmin) are not interested in looking around & finding fault with Arabs. Fault finding , exaggerating etc constitute the vocation of journos of today.
Thank God I am not a journalist. I am a housewife. A senior citizen.
I am extremely GRATEFUL to this Islamic Country I live in as I do not have to put up with water scarcity , power cuts , transformers bursting routinely , high decibel noises of Indian politicians , indian 24/ 7 tv channels , pesky hostile neighbours , consummate CHEATS – all maladies India can boast of.
Owing to such a conducive atmosphere I am able to dedicate myself to serious Spiritual Pursuits . Ramana Bhagavan declares emphatically ” The ONLY purpose of this human birth is to escape from this inexorable cycle of repeated births & deaths. NOT reforming this world….”.
Ramana Bhagavan had ( has) Muslim Devotees also.
Christians are hell bent on looking for a cloud in a silver linings too. This is so sickening. Hence I do chip in occasionally with my comments.
Arabs are extremely generous people.
christianblood says
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi
You have to thank God the muslim country in which you live in is not following Sharee’a law, because if they do, your fate will be far worse than a Christian or Jew! As an “idolator” (hindu, budhists, sikhs and other non-ibrahimics are considered polytheists and idolaters in islam and are given only two choices, to convert or die) Christians and Jews have a third option which is to pay the jizya and live as third class citizens! You also seem to be consummated only about your little world and its comforts and needs! What about the Hindus that are suffered under brutal islamic rule and the tens of millions of Hindus murdered or forcibly converted to islam through the centuries? Or the Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh that are currently suffering in those majority islamic countries? Watch this Hindu priest who was recently hacked to death in Bangladesh:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/hindu-priest-hacked-death-bangladesh-160701040221336.html
gravenimage says
This is true, Christianblood.
gravenimage says
The increasingly appalling Janakiraman Rajalakshmi wrote:
Trust the holier than thou christians to overreact . As they are on a mission to malign Islam. Period.
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Most of us here stand against savagery wherever we find it. It is clear that the vicious Janakiraman Rajalakshmi does not.
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Hindus would do well to read about christian Inquisitions in India with a view to converting all to christianity. THAT is most horrendous & barbaric.
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There was no inquisition in India. What is she babbling about?
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Christian so called liberal countries like uk -amrikAA etc want to export debauchery all over. Have been quite successful at it too.
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Debauchery? Does she mean like not crucifying people?
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Cleverly cloaking it as ”democracyee human rights liberal blah blah. Thus coercing everyone else to accept gay rights gay marriages , pre marital extra marital promiscuity calling it wommman’s rights freedom….When SANE people resist west screams ” aiyo aiyo sharia…Islam…”.
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No surprise that this thug sneers at human rights and lauds the horrors of Shari’ah. I suppose she does not consider anything debauched about child “marriage”, forced marriage, rape, slavery, sex slavery, “Honor Killings”, and the killing of Infidels. Including, of course, the rape and murder of Hindus.
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Utterly THOROUGHLY bored of lyse doucets etc of bbc permanently depositing their respirating carcasses all over Middle Eastern Countries finding fault with Saudi Arabia , Islam , Iraq , Iran , Yemen,Syria , Libya & so on.
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It seems that Janakiraman Rajalakshmi is lauding some of the most hideous hell holes on the planet. No surprise there… (never mind that Islam is not actually a country)
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Several decades ago one such uber sanctimonious christian pontificated to Ramana Bhagavan on capital punishment ..beheading blah blah who was curtly silenced by Bhagavan pointing out :-
” It is people like you who behead , maim , impoverish billions all over the world by waging wars …religious crusades…”.
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There have not, of course, been Christian crusades for almost a millenium (never mind that the crusades were defensive wars against Islam).
And when have Christians ever gone around beheading people? Like her claim that Christianity impoverishes people, it seems that she is confusing it with Islam…
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Had the victim been a christian & the murderer given a light sentence lyse doucets would have screeched in loudest decibels….” women’s rights have no place in Saudi Arabia…”.
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Saudi Arabia did not crucify this man to support women’s rights–what claptrap. In fact, it is legal for Muslims to murder their wives and children there. The idea that we should not be allowed to criticize this barbarism is grotesque. I suppose he thinks that we all live under brutal Shari’ah law, where no one is allowed to say anything against Islam.
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In India itself lot of Hindus have been calling for similar punishments to be implemented in India too.
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*Really*? I have not been able to find a single instance of Hindus wanting to crucify people. Citations, please.
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Chaotic India is a cheap cheap clone of expired british colonial empire following some hotch potch legal jurisprudence. With the result all those who are guilty of such crimes as rape , theft , cheating etc get acquitted . And it is precisely they who turn into serial rapists , big time scamsters , dacoits eventually becoming members of parliament , members of legislative assemblies.
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Well then, she should work on reforms in India.
But there are no problems India has that would be improved by imposing the savagery of Sharia’ah. The last time Islam was in power there, Muslims slaughtered 80 million Hindus. Is Janakiraman Rajalakshmi fine with that? The toll might be even higher this time.
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When Hindus’ Bharath was ruled over by no nonsense Kings we too had similar Sharia styled punishments being given commensurate with the crimes committed.
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Really? Is she claiming that Hindus amputated the limbs of petty thieves? That they murdered “blasphemers” and anyone who dared leave Hindusim? That they stoned rape victims to death? *Ugh*.
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When someone got killed for eloping with their daughter at once bbc ( tim cox) screamed ”aiyo aiyo castesim..honour killing”…
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Oh, good God–i see that she is for “Honor Killing” one’s children for daring to marry for love. She really is a Muslim thug.
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When their own Princess Diana along with Farookh Dondy (sic) were killed in an engineered accident at the behest of uk’s royal family not a whimper against their royal queeeeeen.
These are the double standards of notorious christians.
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What absolute claptrap. This was an accident.
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Watch Django Unchained , Thirty Years A Slave to get a taste of REVOLTING christian commpppassion ( compassion) .
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Uh–Django Unchained is not exactly a realistic film (one clue–it has a character named “Broomhilda von Shaft” and a plantation named “Candyland” in it).
As for “Twelve Years a Slave” (not “Thirty Years a Slave”)–this is a great abolitionist film. That Janakiraman Rajalakshmi is sneering at our having ended slavery is appalling.
But then, Islam never has abolished slavery. She seems fine with that.
And yes–civilized people are compassionate. Something this defender of barbarism seems incapable of grasping.
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Saving the world is not my job or vocation.
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Clearly not. Instead, she wants to turn it into a hell hole where thugs can murder their children for falling in love. *Ugh*.
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America is generally held to be fair minded . So I expected reasonable fairness in reporting. That is sorely missing.
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Actually, the story above–which is from a British, not American, newspaper, incidentally–simply reports the story and is free of judgement. What she really means is that the “filthy Infidels” here should not be allowed to say anything critical of Islam.
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I have been living in a Muslim Country . I find Arabs are very very good , ensuring very good governance. Incredibly superior to what India offers.
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Uh…right. Here’s how Hindus are persecuted in Saudi Arabia:
https://www.hafsite.org/media/pr/hindu-human-rights-saudi-arabia-excerpts-hafs-2011-report
And many Muslim countries are even worse. Hindus are regularly raped and murdered in Bangladesh and Pakistan. Is this “good governance”, as well?
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Hindus like me ( I am a Brahmin) are not interested in looking around & finding fault with Arabs. Fault finding , exaggerating etc constitute the vocation of journos of today.
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What she means is that under Shari’ah no one can say anything critical or even questioning of Islam.
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Thank God I am not a journalist. I am a housewife. A senior citizen.
I am extremely GRATEFUL to this Islamic Country I live in as I do not have to put up with water scarcity , power cuts , transformers bursting routinely , high decibel noises of Indian politicians , indian 24/ 7 tv channels , pesky hostile neighbours , consummate CHEATS – all maladies India can boast of.
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I don’t have any of these problems, either–nor do I have to listen to the screeching Adnan, screams of “Allahu Ackbar!” as some poor Infidel is attacked, nor pass decomposing crucified bodies in the street.
And the claim that Muslim countries have no problems with water scarcity and power outages is absurd. Unless she is one of the Gulf states with their unearned oil wealth, this is rife in Dar-al-Islam.
“In Pakistan, scorching Ramadan month highlights chronic water, power shortages”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/in-pakistan-scorching-ramadan-month-highlights-chronic-water-power-shortages/2017/06/27/074a20a4-576d-11e7-840b-512026319da7_story.html?utm_term=.8dd5fa767afb
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Owing to such a conducive atmosphere I am able to dedicate myself to serious Spiritual Pursuits . Ramana Bhagavan declares emphatically ” The ONLY purpose of this human birth is to escape from this inexorable cycle of repeated births & deaths. NOT reforming this world….”.
Ramana Bhagavan had ( has) Muslim Devotees also.
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What could *possibly* be more “spiritual” than murdering your children and crucifying criminals? sarc/off
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Christians are hell bent on looking for a cloud in a silver linings too. This is so sickening. Hence I do chip in occasionally with my comments.
Arabs are extremely generous people.
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Yes, condemning evil just misses the “silver lining” of being a brutal savage. Bad dhimmis!
And the problem is not with Arabs, but with Islam. This is not about race. If she means that Muslims are extremely generous, what could be more generous than persecuting and murdering Hindus? sarc/off
christianblood says
Great points, Graven! Well-done!
mortimer says
Soddy Barbaria scrapes the bottom of the barrel of human rights.
Why is ISLAM *NOT* a good thing for ANY country?
Here’s why: 1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Circular reasoning 9 Misogyny – repression of women 10 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 11 Genocide 12 Ethnic cleansing 13 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 14 Torture 15 Plundering 16 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 No music 22 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 23 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 24 Cruelty to animals 25 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 26 No historic basis 27 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 28 FGM 29 Arab racism 30 Theocratic totalitarianism 31 Vigilantism 32 Amoral, opportunistic character of Mohammed that all Muslims must imitate 33 Hatred of non-Muslims as an essential doctrine 34 History of Islam includes the genocidal murders of 270 million non-Muslims in Islamic holy wars, terrorism, persecutions and enslavement directed against non-Muslims.
These are things that Muslims cannot defend. ISLAM IS A BARBARIC BRONZE-AGE IDEOLOGY incompatible with ALL modern human rights.
Rarely says
35) they kill headless bodies by crucifixtion.
gravenimage says
+1
John says
But Imam Francis said the death penalty was a non-no…guess they didn’t get the message.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Just one of many examples of how sharia is completely incompatible with the US (and any Western constitutional democracy, for that matter).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
A more complete list entitled “Shariah Law vs. the Constitution” from the Center for Security Policy:
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/media/article%20pdfs/Shariah_VS_Constitution.pdf
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I simply love Katie!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpSn10bRZb4
CogitoErgoSum says
Why would people want to flee to a country that they see as the enemy and as actively waging war upon them?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Exactly! (Unless to conquer their perceived enemy.)
If you read the comments section of this video, you will see that someone made exactly the same comment. It came to my mind as well. It is little more than claiming victimhood to get the upper hand. An old, well worn and very effective Mohammadan ploy.
gravenimage says
Most Muslims are in the West to conquer us.
Chantal says
Me too, I love Katie. By the way, the death penalty for his crime is fine. But to add crucifixion, even dead, is to bring hate and is a barbaric act. It is not needed.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
You’re okay with decapitation in the age of lethal injections?
BTW: I’m against capital punishment simply on the grounds that it has been proven by genetic testing that numerous people get falsely convicted of serious offenses.
gravenimage says
Yes–and whatever the problems with finding and convicting the actual perpetrator in the West, this is *far* worse in Dar-al-Islam.
CogitoErgoSum says
I was wondering what it would be like to have my head cut off. Joe has looked into it also and explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hm9jjAJnsE
So I’m thinking decapitation may not be all that cruel but it’s the crucifixion of the dead body that crosses the line for me.
Charles says
If they caught the right person, I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for his dead body. For violent murder, without reasonable doubt conviction, I am not really that upset….if they have the perpetrator.
OP says
A man stabbing and shooting a woman is not a crime in Saudi Arabia. Women are property according to Shariah, not a human being with rights and entitlements. The fact that he was crucified implies that they branded him a traitor against the government and he was more likely an apostate. See now where ISIS get their laws and who their masters are. The media keep constantly whitewashing the crimes of that abhorrent nation. While Trump was met with extreme aggression from all the snowflake lovvies in London and have never executed anyone, the Saudi King’s visit barely raised an eyebrow.
Each executioner in Saudi Arabia admit to over 1,700 beheadings per year. Count that x 50 executioners. The Saudis claim to be short on executioners and need more of them. No wonder the Saudi demographics keep shrinking! The female population in particular shrink in Saudi demographics as they near the age 35 although it’s not unusual for a Saudi woman to have 15-20 children each.
Chantal says
That is what I thought that it is not a crime in Saudi Arabia to do all those things to a woman. The Saudis love blood and beheadings. They make sure there is always a big crowd, people cheer, can you believe it. To them beheadings are entertainment. Frankly low and disgusting.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Prohibitions against the desecration of dead bodies runs very deep in the psyche of the Greco-Roman world. Showing disrespect to the body of a fallen enemy was consider a high affront to the Gods in the ancient, pre-Christian world. Allowing for the respectful burial of a fallen foe was considered noble and righteous.
This crime was called Hybris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris#Ancient_Greek_origin) and can still be seen reflected in many of our modern laws.
Obviously, there were numerous lapses from the Greeks to our times. But such lapses were inevitably condemned and rectified (since such actions go against such a deep-seated prohibition).
This is why high minded states in Western culture always have prohibitions against such acts and ‘Westerners’ usually consider such acts as vile.
There is no such prohibition in Mohammadism. In fact, the Koran and the Sunnah detail and require, as penalties, numerous cruel and unusual punishments!
Rarely says
That’s a pretty petty distinction. They put a murderer to death by decapitation (as good or bad a method as any) and then they put his body on display as a warning to others (presumably). A bit crude from where I’m sitting but hardly a reason to condemn a religion.
BTW. I am against the death penalty and have as low an opinion as anyone regarding islam but I have trouble seeing this as much of an issue.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“… but hardly a reason to condemn a religion.”
Yes, hardly a reason, by itself, but it’s just one more reason in a very long list of reasons for its condemnation.
Rarely says
They “killed” a DEAD BODY for crying out loud.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
My original comment was intended to explain what I believe is the source of our (Western) aversion to the desecration of the dead. If you are okay with the mutilation of a dead body …. well that’s your problem.
BTW: We have numerous laws on the books that make the “disrespectful mishandling” of a corpse a serious offense.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
They DESECRATED a dead body. This contravenes many laws of Western countries. This is counter the US constitution.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
This prohibition even resides in the early mythic tale that marks the beginning of Greek culture, the Iliad. Achilles abuses the body of his fallen foe, Hector. The Gods are offended and some (Apollo) intervene.
Hector speaking to Achilles before combat:
“Let vows of fit respect pass both, when conquest hath bestow’d
His wreath on either. Here I vow no fury shall be show’d
That is not manly, on thy corpse; but, having spoil’d thy arms,
Resign thy person; which swear thou.”
(Iliad Book XXII, ll. 219-22)
A more in-depth look at Achilles’ desecration:
https://lawandreligionforum.org/2015/10/27/mistreating-the-enemys-body-the-judgment-of-zeus/
Older Canadian says
Barbaric and disgusting, the deed and the sentence.
Wonder if Trudeau will tweet about this, or is he still in a daze from his last tweet to the KSA.
Z says
I’m fine with the death sentence for murder.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, I agree. I do not oppose sentencing to death anyone who has already sentenced another person to death by committing the crime of murder. A murderer makes the judgement that another person should die and then carries out the sentence; therefore, by his own measure should the proper punishment be metered out to him.
See Matthew 7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Rarely says
So maybe they were acting Biblically here.
CogitoErgoSum says
I won’t argue with that, except for the part about crucifying a corpse. Once the man was dead his punishment was completed. Crucifying his corpse goes into desecration of the dead. At the death of his body the man’s spirit left. His body became something deserving of the same respect we would give to any other dead body.
Rarely says
Why would you care about the body of a murderer? Heck you were willing to execute him. So showing disrespect for his body would be worse then killing him? Sorry it doesn’t compute.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, I know it seems odd and cutting off a person’s head is mutilating his body but I think there should be some things about human nature that set us apart from all other animals. Showing some respect for the dead should be one of those things. After a person’s spirit leaves his body that body still remains representative of the bodies of all human beings. How we treat a dead body should be indicative of how we feel about the way all human beings should be treated. We are more than just worthless trash …. when we are alive and even after death.
Salome says
What they call crucifixion isn’t. It’s just old fashioned beheading. (We don’t have the death penalty where I live, and I like it that way.) But what amazed me at first was that a man would lose his head for stabbing a woman–then I read the article and realised that the man was an infidel guest worker. (And I wonder, therefore, whether he got a fair trial. Wouldn’t put anything past them.)
Chantal says
He definitely did not get a fair trial. We can easily guess.
utis says
I wondered about that myself. The perp had an muslim-style name, but he was from Myanmar. The article gives minimal data, but I wonder if he was a non-Arab muslim, and that was why penalty was so harsh : killing a Saudi Arab’s property.
If my guess is true, this case throws light on the “world” islamic system: some muslims are better than others, and Mohammed’s people are always the best of the best. To me, a crime is a crime. No matter what social class you are, if you willfully do the crime, you take the punishment.
gravenimage says
Yes–migrant workers in Saudi Arabia are regularly abused and falsely accused–including for “witchcraft”.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
it is not clear whether the gruesome murder of the woman is an act of armed robbery. If it is an act of armed robbery ,the Muslim jurists have the following rulings :If the culprit cause death, he shall die by crucifixion.If there is no death, but only property was taken he will have his hand and leg from opposite side amputated. If he could not take away the property or kill the victim, he will be given a term of imprisonment to be served at a prison far away from where he resides.In all these there is no beheading and hanging of the dead body by crucifixion. The judge must have misconceived the verse in Quran5:33
gravenimage says
I see that Ibby is a big fan of amputation of limbs for petty theft. What a Muslim barbarian.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
If the gruesome murder of the woman is an act of armed robbery, the Muslim jurists have the following rulings :the culprit shall die by crucifixion only, not beheading and hanging of the dead body. the judge must have misconceived the verse in Quran 5:33.where the culprit only took away the property without causing death, he will have his hand and leg from opposite sides amputated,no crucifixion. If he could not take away the property or cause death, he will be given a term of imprisonment in a prison far away from where he resides.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
The judge must have misconceived the verse in Quran 5:33.If the gruesome murder of the woman is an act of armed robbery, Muslim jurists have the following rulings :where the culprit caused death, he shall die by crucifixion only, no beheading and hanging of the dead body. If he only took the property without causing death, he will have his hand and leg from opposite sides amputated, no crucifixion. where he could not take away the property or caused death, he shall serve a term of imprisonment in a prison far away from where he resides.
Rarely says
Ibrahim
How about Yemen and its turmoil? How is it the fault of the U.S., the Zionists, Israel, and/or the Jews?
gravenimage says
If this woman had been murdered by her husband, Ibrahim itace muhammed would be cheering.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
The Saudi judge must have misconceived the verse in Quran 5:33.If the gruesome murder of the woman is an act of armed robbery, the Muslim jurists have the following interpretation :If he caused death, he shall die by crucifixion only, no beheading and hanging of the dead body. If he seized the property without causing death, he shall have his one hand from the wretch and leg from the ankle from opposite side amputated, no crucifixion. If he could not take away the property or caused death, he will be given a term of imprisonment in a prison far away from where he resides.
Doebeaver says
And yet, when Canada objected to Saudi continued regression to the 1400s, Trump did nothing. Too much money, eh??? ehhhh??
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
I find nothing wrong with what Saudi Arabia has done.
Trust the holier than thou christians to overreact . As they are on a mission to malign Islam. Period.
Hindus would do well to read about christian Inquisitions in India with a view to converting all to christianity. THAT is most horrendous & barbaric.
Christian liBBBeral countries like uk -amrikAA etc want to export debauchery all over. Have been quite successful at it too.
Cleverly cloaking it as ”democracyee human rights libbbbberal ( liberal) blah blah. Thus coercing everyone else to accept gay rights gay marriages , pre marital extra marital promiscuity calling it wommman’s rights freedom….When SANE people resist west screams ” aiyo aiyo sharia…Islam…”.
Utterly THOROUGHLY bored of lyse doucets etc of bbc permanently depositing their respirating carcasses all over Middle Eastern Countries finding fault with Saudi Arabia , Islam , Iraq , Iran , Yemen,Syria , Libya & so on.
Several decades ago one such uber sanctimonious christian pontificated to Ramana Bhagavan on capital punishment ..beheading blah blah who was curtly silenced by Bhagavan pointing out :-
” It is people like you who behead , maim , impoverish billions all over the world by waging wars …religious crusades…”.
Had the victim been a christian & the murderer given a light sentence lyse doucets would have screeched in loudest decibels….” women’s rights have no place in Saudi Arabia…”.
In India itself lot of Hindus have been calling for similar punishments to be implemented in India too.
Chaotic India is a cheap cheap clone of expired british colonial empire following some hotch potch legal jurisprudence. With the result all those who are guilty of such crimes as rape , theft , cheating etc get acquitted . And it is precisely they who turn into serial rapists , big time scamsters , dacoits eventually becoming members of parliament , members of legislative assemblies.
When Hindus’ Bharath was ruled over by no nonsense Kings we too had similar Sharia styled punishments being given commensurate with the crimes committed.
When someone got killed for eloping with their daughter at once bbc ( tim cox) screamed ”aiyo aiyo castesim..honour killing”…
When their own Princess Diana along with Farookh Dondy were killed in an engineered accident at the behest of uk’s royal family not a whimper against their royal queeeeeen.
These are the double standards of notorious christians.
Watch Django Unchained , Thirty Years A Slave to get a taste of REVOLTING christian commpppassion ( compassion) .
gravenimage says
Just spamming the same crap.
Dirk Noel says
Does anybody really care if…..or how….Muslims kill each other?
gravenimage says
Muslims also murder Infidels.
learning islam says
The Apostle held a large number of captives. There were 6,000 women and children prisoners. He had captured so many sheep and camels they could not be counted. Ishaq:592
What is the punishment?
gravenimage says
Damn good question, Learning Islam. Most of what we consider crimes are actually sacralized in Islam.