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I interview Hatun Tash, a regular at Speakers’ Corner in London. She reveals that there are 32 different versions of the Qur’an, and reports that she has received death threats for telling Muslims this at Speakers’ Corner.
6woods says
Very brave lady. The fact that she’s getting death threats proves that she’s right.
StellaSaidSo says
Islam can’t handle the truth.
Andy says
Anti-Semite gets another award from “diversity is our strength” Liberals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czzCqTVTsOg
Andy says
UK: 1/3 of London arrests are foreign nationals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vco8KIPr9FY
Walter Sieruk says
The readers of this of this site might ,very well, notice that Muslims have no rational logically sound valid,arguments based on reason to defend the Qu ‘ran so they resort to making death threats to silence those who might dare criticize it.
In addition, with all this it’s fitting reiterate the important message that in classical work of ancient Greek literature, by Plato, entitled THE APOLOGY OF SOCRATES it in written that Socrates had said that “An unexamined life is not worth living.” Likewise, in may also be said that “An unexamined religion is not worth believing in.” This is said about all religions. Yet to be specific, in this case, the topic is about the religion of Islam. Furthermore, one man who was as a former a Muslim and had lived in one of the Islamic nations of the Middle East but now he is Christian and an American citizen had explained in a book he wrote that “Driving into depths of the word of reasoned thinking and research in Islamic societies has always been costly. Some Muslim who have done this have even been excluded from their social rights and even sentenced to death.” [1]
[1] ISLAM AND THE SON OF GOD by Daniel Shayesteh page 70.
StellaSaidSo says
Truth to Muslims is like garlic to vampires. Especially at Speakers’ Corner, where the atmosphere is often thick with Islamic b/s. Kudos to Hatun Tash, and all who challenge these deluded fools.
gravenimage says
+1
No Muzzies Here says
This alone should be sufficient reason for doubting that this religion can ever be reformed.
Lydia Church says
The “tolerance” of islam on display yet again…. !
Michael Copeland says
“Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
Barack Obama
Sam says
Wow there must be some truth tellers in England that we usually don’t hear due to fear because of the religion of peace.
Thanks Ms Hatun.
gravenimage says
Video from UK: At Speakers’ Corner, Christian points out multiple versions of Qur’an, gets death threats
……………..
We would consider this ironic, and think this proves her point.
But Muslims don’t care–they will violently crush anything truth telling that keeps Islam from spreading.
Hatun Tash is a very brave woman.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Joshua Winston, the just opened her mouth and say it without proof. There has never been different versions of the Quran ,but there different readings of Quranic text called Qiraat and different translations into other languages. The variations in readings has something to do with different pronunciations of Arabic words and different translations has something to do with different levels of upstanding or expertise. It is mithraist Bible that has different versions because it has different contents. Eg, Nsv has rejected some books or verses contained in the kJV.
Indiana Tom says
Yemeni scrolls anyone?
StellaSaidSo says
@ Ibrahim
There is plenty of proof of the existence of several Korans. But of course those who are allergic to the truth will not accept any of it. preferring to continue to believe the nonsense that has been hammered into their silly heads since the day they were born. You are a prime example.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
stellasaidso, present such plenty proofs of different versions of the Quran identifying the number of verses and suras where the different versions are in disagreement. But there are different versions of your mithraist Bible involving different contents in the versions as a result of selections of some books out of 200 books written by anonymous writers of the gospels
StellaSaidSo says
Ibrahim,
The evidence is well-documented and available to any who care to investigate.
Funny how you constantly rant negatively about the Bible – one of the main sources on which your ridiculous Koran is based. Obviously the irony eludes you.
don vito says
itace, now, now just keep lying about the kran. Study the bible for truth and to answer your question, “when did Jesus become the Son of God”.
Dawne says
On the most basic level, can you not see that what has happened here shows you the true values of Islam? Somebody says something that a Muslim disagrees with, and instead of them arguing with her that she is wrong, they just issue death threats against her. This may be what you do in Muslim countries – this is NOT what we do in Britain. If you or others want to behave like this, then you and they must eave Britain.
blitz2b says
Ibrahim, mohammed itace,
Did you know the current standardized version of your Koran is less than a hundred years old ?
Did you know of the minimal six existing Koranic manuscripts NOT A SINGLE ONE correlates with the present 1924 version?
Dud you know of all the six manuscripts of the Korans, NOT A SINGLE ONE is complete?
Did you know there are literally thousands of consonantal variations between the pretty 1924 version of the ‘standardized’ Koran?
Did you know that according to Umar’s own admittance the compilation of the present day Koran is absolutely incomplete?
So where do you get off trying to compare the NT Bible, that is the most attested in ancient history (over 25,000 partial and 5,000 complete manuscripts) with the such an inferior piece of plagiarized material that NO SCHOLAR OF ANCIENT HISTORY TAKES SERIOUSLY?
Get real man… It’s time to reject the lie you are trying to aimlessly defend, but in vain
P. H. says
Can’t handle the truth ???
rw says
There is a difficulty here. Islam claims that the Koran is a complete, whole, 100% reliable message from God, unmediated by any person – and is therefore perfect. The slightest textual deviation means that you have to ask ‘which Koran?’ and proves that there was human mediation. The evidence of human involvement in the collection of writings in the Koran is overwhelming – the compilation of the book, the way it was edited, is well documented; there were fights about what should go in and what shouldn’t. The Koran is relatively untranslated because the actual message it contains is so unpleasant and the book itself so contradictory that it is very much in islamic interests that outsiders and muslims alike not read it.
Meanwhile, the Bible does not make any such claim. It is very explicit about the human involvement in its writing – very fallible men wrote about their experiences with the God who redeems people from sin. This message of redemption is faithfully transmitted – it is this message which is important, not the exact words in which it is conveyed – so there are multiple translations which pass on the life-giving good news of peace with God.
Francis says
the unholy koran – the fake and hate ridden book of satanic verses
Tom Dunn says
@Ibrahim never been more than one version eh?
According to orthodox Islam, there’s one version of the Quran. It consists of a series of revelations from the angel Gabriel to Muhammad over a period of twenty-three years. He dictated what he heard (Muhammad was illiterate) to his followers, who wrote them down in their own dialects. The Quran is perfectly preserved. The standard Arabic Quran of today is the 1924 Egyptian version. But there used to be more.
The Rightly Guided Caliph (Rashidun) Uthman ordered all versions and variants of the Quran destroyed, saving only the one in the Quraishi dialect spoken by Muhammad. Uthman, the third Caliph (successors of Muhammad), reigned from 644–656. Our source for this is the Hadith (Collection of Sayings of Muhammad) Sahih Al-Bukhari:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’an, so he said to ‘Uthman, “O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before.” So ‘Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, “Send us the manuscripts of the Qur’an so that we may compile the Qur’anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you.” Hafsa sent it to ‘Uthman. ‘Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, ‘Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and ‘AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. ‘Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, “In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur’an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur’an was revealed in their tongue.” They did so, and when they had written many copies, ‘Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. ‘Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, “A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur’an and I used to hear Allah’s Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): ‘Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.’ (33.23) [Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol. 6, Book 61, Verse 510]
James Lincoln says
I can’t believe it! You didn’t use the word “evil” in your post!
Of course you were talking about the Quran…
don vito says
itace, you just posted something without proof. Holding steady a -(-61). This kufr must have read the kran.
Indiana Tom says
Nsv has rejected some books or verses contained in the kJV.
Jewish and Protestant Old Testament Books are the same, original copied texts differ slightly, doctrines do not change.
Koran does differ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zn1mvL4oHA
Mark says
Not a surprise, UK has has been a Islamic terrorist stronghold since the 1990s. The country has a massive muslim population relative to the overall population as well they are being covered up by most of the British media, police and politicians. I am sure everybody has heard of the infamous finsbury mosque in the UK. Christians in UK might bow down. But Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs will not bow down who are resident in the UK. Because they know British police and govt do F***k all to protect British citizens.
FYI says
Marvellous.Excellent work by Hatun Tash:A promoter of the Kingdom of Heaven.
{So Unlike an islamic caliphate of hate and violence,bullying and tyranny..allah may want to rule the world but.. it already belongs to the Good God of Moses and Jesus}
In the event that muslims with their dawah teams respond by attacking the Bible….
muslims are not in any position to question the Bible because according to islam..
1.allah claims to be the one who gave the Torah to the Jews
“And verily WE gave unto Moses the scripture”
koran 2:87
2.allah tells muhammed that if he is in doubt he must..get this!!…READ THE BIBLE
“And if thou muhammed art in doubt concerning that which WE reveal unto thee,
then question those who read the scripture(that was) before thee”
koran 10 v 94
“That which WE reveal”=the koran
“the scripture that was before thee”=the Taurat+the Injeel i.e the Bible .
Yes,that “mithraist” Bible which is constantly attacked by the resident useful idiot muslim troll,according to the koran, comes from….allah himself.
islamic belief is that the original Torah was sent by God
It certainly was..by the True God {of Moses ..}..NOT by “allah”.the best of deceivers.k3:54….a god we must remember who calls the Jews{Moses,Jesus} in k2:64 “Apes to be despised and hated”Are we are to believe that “allah”, an antisemitic,misogynistic,theologically ,scientifically and Linguistically-challenged, racist bigot of a god is the author of the Torah?the Universe?Lunacy!
3 allah claims to be the AUTHOR OF THE BIBLE
{Yes that “mithraist” Bible again that the muslim troll spews venom at and dismisses as rubbish,according to his OWN koran . this “mithraist” Bible comes from “allah”:if it was rubbish then WHY does allah tell muhammed to READ THE BIBLE in k10:94??
Clearly allah who claims to be the author of the Bible doesn’t think the Bible is “rubbish” as the muslim troll says it is.}
“he hath revealed unto thee muhammed the scripture with truth..confirming that which was revealed before it ,even as he revealed the torah and the Gospel”
koran 3:3
Unfortunately for allah,his koran TOTALLY DISAGREES with the Bible that he claims to be the author of:in fact,allah in his koran gets everything wrong.
For example,instead of cursing the Jews,allah should understand what that {Jewish} prophet Jesus Christ meant :-
“It is FROM THE JEWS that salvation comes”
John 4 v 22
Yet allah the antisemitic “best of deceivers” k3:54,doesn’t seem to understand that does he?
allah also has no idea where Biblical prophecy comes from since he totally misunderstands Christian Theology :in fact allah dismisses that very aspect of God through which Biblical prophecy comes;Christians know this to be the Helper or the Holy Spirit which is God’s wisdom bestowed upon us.allah even REJECTS God’s 2nd chief commandment in koran 5 v 51 when he tells muslims(the holiest people who ever lived with their perfect holy prophet,)not to get along with Jews and Christians.
“Oh ye who believe!Take not the Jews and christians for friends”
koran 5:51
[sarc}who needs that 2nd chief commandment when allah himself rejects it?
allah has no idea what this “Holy Spirit” is:the islamic trolls call it satan.
“Say not “Three” Cease!It’s better for you” koran 4:171
Christians must see that this allah,is a god without the Holy Spirit and clearly has no understanding of God’s Wisdom:which is why the koran is so full of errors{although muslims cannot see them..}
Every time the idiotic muslim troll attacks the “mithraist” Bible…. please note that he is 1 Denying his god 2 Contradicting his own koran and ……3 Insulting allah.
4 You can find a Bible in ANY language{ for your convenience}.The actual God of Moses speaks ALL KNOWN LANGUAGES and exists for ALL MANKIND
Not just moslems.
Unfortunately,allah,the linguistically and theologically challenged god of islam only speaks Arabic..{for your inconvenience}muslims,rather inconveniently,will need arabic of course in that islamic paradise they imagine they are going to.What about Hebrew speaking Jews?Greek and Russian etc speaking Christians?It seems allah hasn’t considered the awkwardness of that…ah” but then they are “infidels”.
Where does it leave Moses and Jeesus;Would they have to study Arabic to be understood by allah??
The actual God is not limited by language as allah is.
5 Ask any muslim to explain what allah means
“Above it are Nineteen”
koran 74:30
Nineteen what?Unicorns?Jewish prophets?Bacon sandwiches?Who knows?Does allah even know?
How can this book be “perfect” when statements like k74:30 cannot be explained by anybody?Maybe only muhammed,the “perfect” man knows what that means.
If muslims have any complaints about the Bible:take it up with allah,he who claims to be its author.
6 “The eternal word of allah” does not even subscribe to God’s Two Chief Commandments,defined by Jesus as “The whole of the Law”{Matthew 22 v 40}
How did allah miss the most important aspect of God revealed both in Judaism and Christianity but completely missing in islam?
“The Whole of the Law”
7 Kissing the black stone is Shirk…probably:Just as Taqqiya is bearing false witness,taking a woman as a slave “what the right hand possesses” is still adultery and “slaying the believers” is murder.
You note how muslims and islam.allah and muhammed neither know nor obey those COMMANDMENTS OF GOD which condemn such things as idolatry,bearing false witness,lying..the very things in fact that the koran permits!
ibrahim itace muhammed says
FYI, why you keep on repeating this nonsense that your god has spoken the words of your mithraist Bible in all human language.? Are you not aware that Jesus or any of his disciples never spoke Greek from which the manuscripts of your mithraist Bible was written and translated into different human languages?Quran too was translated from Arabic language into many human languages. Then what is unique about your mithraist Bible?. I cannot see it.
Terry Gain says
FYI
Thank you so much for your time and scholarship.
learning islam says
Check out Sherif Gabers videos. He is another ex muslim who is very knowledgeable. Great video by the way.
Please Google
Facts you don’t know about the Quran Sherif Gaber
. Sherif speak in arabic and there are English sub-title in u-tube video
chapter 7 -26:47: Almost in every page of the book you will find either… insult and threatens with death and hell or promises of different rewards and heaven using the enticement and intimidation repeatedly known to be a helpless way. So he has no choice but to threaten or reward you. Nor the lives of those who won’t read be it will a affected.. On the contrary, there’re things in the quran if we removed it … a a lot of negativity thing in the world will be decreased. Take Terrorism as an example, which became a daily things in our days. Now say,”Terrorists don’t understand the quranic text well or say “They don’t represent islam”. Say what you want, what is important that these verses that those terrorists use to kill the inocents. Doesn’t benefit anyone, exceptthe terrorist himself. That means, removing these violent verses is better than keeping it. It’s disadvantages are way higher than it’s advantages, if there’s actually any.
29.29- The quran is full of unnecessary repetion Not only in the word, sentences or even the assonance but also in the stories. For example ,
the story of the prophet “Lot” was mentioned 8 times.
The story of “Noah” was mentioned 11 times
“Ibrahim” was mentioned 69 times
“Pharaoh” was mentioned 74 times
“Mosa” was mentioned 136 times and his story was mentioned 7 times
Why, what did we gain from you telling us that mosa or split the sea into two or made his hand glow. What did we gain? Especially when these stories are not only not logical, have no evidence to support them and were repeated many times in the same book.
But they’re copied from other legends and religions that came before islam itself. You delivered your message, then you should remove all these repetitions. In short, and like the orientalist payoneer Theodor said:
“Muhammed is not in any sense a master of style”.
31:01 -But the most important point to mention about the quran is that it’s not a complete book, but many parts are missing from it. Let’s mention for example, The Hadiths “In El-Bukhari, Muslim, Muwatta and El-sunan Elkobra” which say that there were verses in the quran about stoning adulteres .But muhammed died and people were busy burying him
There was a chicken or a goat that went and ate the parts which contained those verses.
I mean it is funny to think that a goat ate what’s supposed to be the most important book for god.
And if you were from those who will say that it’s one of god’s great plans, okay, then why did he send it from the beginning? Why did he send it as “revelation” and then after muhammed died he decided to delete it. Why did he send it from the beginning? And if god was really planning to delete it Then why didn’t tell muhammed before his death to take those parts and remove them before he dies
. Why after his death the quran changes and many verses gets deleted from it? Omar Ibn Elkhatab(a companion of muhammed) said himself that the quran are missing many parts. Among them is the part that talks about the stoning.And said that we must Stone as god said even after the verses got deleted from the quran. Because we did stone others when muhammed was alive. “Omar said, and the hadith is very correct as I’ve shown to you””god sent muhammed and sent the quran to him… and a part from what he sent to him was the verse of stoning.. and muhammed did stone and we did stone others after him”
Perfect mo was happy enough to commit serial adultery himself and he stoned women for this sin {muslim 4206}which he himself revelled in:the old hypocrite!
“ Sorry, I am a thinker and I have to know the answer for this”. So, now I want to understand something. Okay, so now should we follow that command that was deleted by god from the quran muhammed.
Like ISIS and like some sheikhs dream to apply and like what Omar said? Or not? And if we should apply it … then why did god delete it? If god wants us to do something that’s in some verses “god remove the verse himself but the command itself remained” “Like the stoning verse” And if for example god felt guilty and noticed that verse is a little bit barbaric and he should remove it, okay… then why were some people stoned by the hand of muhammed
When these verses were in the quran? Why should these people get killed and then god removes the verse and those come after them won’t get stoned? And not only the stoning verses.. Aisha “muhammed’s wife) once said that there were verses in the quran that talked about breatfeeding adults!
TOPIC OF BREASTFEEDING ADULTS . The hadith in the bukhari and it is correct one that was said by Aisha., it means that if a man and a woman wants to be togather alone in any room.Then the solution for it to be “Halal” would be for the woman to breatfeed the man 10 times. “ what a logical solution to be honest” So Aisha said THAT THE QURAN used to have a verse that talked about breatfeeding the man 10 times. But god changed his mind and made them 5 not 10 times. “Then god made them 5 times not 10”. But then after muhammed died the whole verses that contained that part why lost.
The same with sura 33 which Aisha also said that it used to have 200 verses
Now that sura have only 73 verses .And not only some few verses or suras that were lost,no! Al-Bayhaqi for example once said that a whole partition of that quran lost. And that sura 33 was as huge as sura 2.
There’s also Hadiths that say that there was sura in the quran which was as huge as sura 9 but it was lost.
That’s beside the parts that were deliberately deleted for political reasons. Like when “othman” showed his people his quran. Some people rebelled against him they said he deliberately deleted 2 suras from it.
A sura named” Alwlayah” and other one named “Alnawrain” .You’ll realize something
Either 2 suras were from the quran but someone removed them or they are nothing but hoax…But whoever wrote them was a genious because if they were put in the quran no one would’ve doubt them because they have the same style as the rest of the quran. And that alone contradicts the challenge you always have.
Thomas Patrick in his book “A dictionary of Islam” said, “No one really knows how many verses were lost from the quran but they are many ….Al-Suyuti for example said the number could reach up to 500 verses”
That’s like the double the Size of the largest sura in the quran….disappeared.
All this editing in the quran with adding and deleting of verses was enough to let the son of Omar Ibn Alkhattab once say: “Nobody say that the whole quran…How could he when many parts were lost from it?…instead , let him say I’ve what’sleft from the quran”…..
learning islam says
Check out Sherif Gabers videos. He is another ex muslim who is very knowledgeable. Great video by the way.
Please Google
Facts you don’t know about the Quran Sherif Gaber
. Sherif speak in arabic and there are English sub-title in u-tube video
Chapter 8
-The story of collecting the quran-
The traditional story of how the quran was collected starts with a person named muhammed. And he said:”From now onyou ‘ll be the one who’ll save the whole humanity from it’s corruption… and I’ll give you a book which contains the cure for all humanity. According to the islmic text that book was already with god.But all what Gabriel did was giving it to muhammed.
“Do you really believe that the stories in book was already written in it before humanity came?
-Yes, it were in it by the knowledge of god. “Most of them were personal stories related to specific people”. And of course for some reason he didn’t give it to him at once. He kept dictating it to him for over 23 years! “Especially when it wasn’t sent to muhammed at once…it was sent over 23 years” And as expected when do you think it was finished? Of course……right when muhammed died. And by then the quran was fininished ,right? Wrong. In fact it wasn’t even begun!. But 20 years of the death of muhammed. There were “Some” Arab rulers who thought of collecting all these verses into one book. And I am saying “Some” because many other rulers who thought of it was hearsy to do so. Why? Because muhammed did not collect them when he as alive, so why would we? And I am saying”Collect” because those verses weren’t togather at all. No.
That book was split into two parts… The first part was written on the bodies of animals, sheep and leaves of the trees, etc. And the second part was memorized by some people. Now the one who ordered to collect the verses of the quran and put them into one book was some one named Othamn Ibn Affan. And after Othamn finished and collected the quran. He made many copies of them, and then sent them to every islamic country.And by that time quran was finished and it’s the one we have now, right? no, not really.
After 50 years from the time he collected it and sent it to every islamic country..The process of putting dots on the quran started. The process “started”.And for over 50 years from that time the process of dotting the continued. The process of putting punctuation marks and extra letters started. And of course the story end here like the letter hamza sayinــ the quran that moment till now
Hasn’t been changed or altered at all. Not in any letter, dot or punctuation mark.
And no one should doubt anything in it. Of course this completed story alone should make any rational person doubt the whole story about collecting the quran. However, the real story of collecting the quran is much more complicated than this. That story is full of gabs. Like what? Like when othamn wanted to collect his quran he burned two things
1. The many versions of the quran that were made by others claining it’s real quran. “Now Othman collected the other versions of the quran. . … after he did so… he said burn any other version other than mine”. And burned the parts that were supposedly written in the time of mohammed. “Other companions didn’t think this’s right … and it’s a matter of opinion, Othman thought it’s the right thing to do” So Othman burned the sources like the animal skin and tree leaves that people wrote some parts of the quran on it , And that alone should make anyone doubt the intension of the Othman. Why did you have to burn the sources? The supposedly priceless sourcess that you took your version of the quran from. The sources that were written at the time of muhammed. Those sources are considered your best evidence, in fact the’are the only evidence…to prove that the old quran is as same as the new one. Why did you have to delete those sources? Unless you know that your version of the quran is different from the sources you burned. If the quran was so important and many copies of it were sent to different countries. And everybody know it, like some hadiths claim we’h have at leastfound non islamic sources or foreign historians from the countries Arab invaded.Wrote about the quran or mentioned it’s name. But that is the opposite of what happened to the quran. Nobody ever mentioned even word quran in any historical record till the beginning of the 8th century. The first mention of the word quran from a non Arabic source in the year 710
Meaning after at least 80 years from the time in which the quran was supposedly collected and sent to many countries
And everybody knew about it .Because the Arab rulers invaded many countries in these 60 years. If they invaded those countries to invite them to their new religion while holding the quran in their hands,etc thenhow’s it is possible that not a single historian or even a normal person mentioned the word quran even oncein his books? It’s like the quran wasn’t there.
There’s also no mention of a religion named “Islam”, or even the word “Muslims” for over 70 years from the time muhammed died
Now the historical evidences we have say the quran was collected by the Umayyad caliph. “Abd al-Malik Ibn Marwan” and his assistant “Al-hajjaj Ibn Yusuf Al Thaqafi” . “Abd al-Malik Ibn Marwan” once said “I fear to die in Ramadan because I was born in that month,I was weaned in it and collected the quran in it So Abdel Malik admitted to have collected the quran in the month of Ramadan.
Now if Othman really collected the quran before him then why would some muslim leader like Abd al-Malik collect it after at least 40 years since Othman collected it. Why and how did he collect it again after it wassupposed to be already collected and was in every muslim country.
One from the two scenarios happened,Either the quran wasn’t collected from the beginning Or it was but Abdel Malik didn’t like it. May be he needed to change something in it.Like forbidding something under the name of god,or making something that was forbidden,legal. And like the story of Uthamn. Al Hajjaj (Abdel Malek’s assistant) ordered every other version of the quran to be burned.
And again , like the story of the Uthman. He made copies from his quran and sent them to every country. Even this is mentioned in the islamic books. When someone came to “Anas Ibn Malik” where is the version of the quran Othman is supposed to have collected” He said ,”it disappeared”
That means That Abdel Malik burned the quran of Othman to make a whole quran for him. That means that the new quran which Abdul Malik made is different from the version of the quranOthman made.
The version which is itself doubtable because it was made after more than 20 years after moh’s death and many things were lost from it. And many political chapters were deliberately deleted
Chapter 9
-Is the version of the quran Abdel Malek made, the SAME AS THE ONE WE HAVE TODAY? I MEAN, IS THE VERSION Abdel Malek made, the last version of the quran that has been edited? Or did this too changed? To be abe to answer that question.We must have a copy of the quran that dates back to Abdel Malek’s era
To be able to compare it to the quran we have now to see if some thing changed from it or not. Luckily for us we have one of the oldest manuscripts of the quran which dates back to after the era of Abdel Malek Marawan. And we did find signs of alteratio in it.
But as we said, it’s okay,we’ll forget about all the old versions that been altered and focus on the versin that was collected by Abdel Malik and his assistant Al Hajjaj. These new manuscripts contains roughly 2/3 of the quran and dates back to over 100 years after the death of muhammed
A whole century. These manuscripts are in the British library, one of the largest libraries in the world. So you can log in in their site and see them by yourself and compare them with the quran we have today. Just to make sure of every informationL’ll say now
The first thing you’ll notice is that this qurant does n’t have any punctuion marks, even the dotting is not complete. That means that even after 1century from the death of muhammed .The quran didn’t have neither dots nor any punction marks So it wasn’t complete then. The second thing you’ll notice is that many verses aren’t in but exist in the quran we have today
For example if you looked at
• sura 8 in the old Manuscript. you will find it has 77 verses.
Sura 8 in the quran we have today has only 75 verses that means that there ‘re 2 verses that were lost.
Sura 9 in this old Manuscript Manuscript has 130 verses.
Sura 9 in the quran we have today has only129 verses that means that there ‘re 1 verses 1 missing verse
Sura 11 in this old Manuscript Manuscript has 122 verses. Sura 11 in the quran we have today it has 123 verses .That means 1 verses has been added.
Sura 20 in this old Manuscript has 140 verses. in the quran we have today it has 135verses .Meaning 5 verses have been removed
Sura 21 in this old Manuscript has 111 verses. in the quran we have today it has 112verses
Sura 22 in this old Manuscript has74 verses. in the quran we have today it has 78 verses. That means 4 verses have been added
Sura 26 in this old Manuscript had the name “Taa Sen Elshoaraa” not just “Elshoaraa” like today
Sura 27 in this old Manuscript had the name “Taa Sen Elnaml” not just “Elnaml” like today. It had 94 verses…not 93 like the one in the quran we have today.
.And it’s not just about some altered or deleted verses. If we wanted to talk about how many alteration whether in the letters, words or sentences. Trust me we’ll take forever ,quran is not complete yet.
Note: No pictures or graphic. It is important to watch the video.
learning islam says
Please Google Different Versions of Qur’an. Dr. Shehzad Saleem
u-tube video . Please watch.
Mr Saleem tells the facts when he was doing his PHD while others will cover up.
they do not admit the fact .
Q3:158 “not unto Allah” has been altered into “certainly unto Allah”.
– Q3:166 “we would not have followed you” has been altered to say “we would certainly have followed you”.
– Q27:21 “I [Allah] would not slay” has been altered into “I [Allah] will certainly slay”. – Q37:68 “their return is not unto Hell” has been altered into “their return is certainly unto Hell”
Timestamps of the questions:
1) @1:45 – 5 different versions of Quran circulating in the Muslim Ummah (changes in meaning)
2) @9:04 – Variant readings of the Quran (changes in meaning)
3) @14:16 – The Quran is incomplete (is imperfect)
4) @20:00 – The Quran has numerous scribal errors (can change the meaning)
5) @24:26 – The ‘Uthmanic copies the Quran were not identical (at least 60 variations)
6) @28:01 – The narratives of collection and transmission of the Quran lack corroboration from the earliest history books
7) @31:04 – Chains of narratives of the collection narratives are extremely weak (often just a single person)
8) @32:24 – Chiite and Sunni sources give two conflicting accounts of the collection of the Quran
9) @34:10 – Last two surah do not belong to the Quran
10) @35:09 – Companion codices have differences in their arrangements
11) @36:30 – Orthographic history of the Quran belies common sense
12) @38:56 – Revelation of the Quran in 7 ahruf (is one of the basis for the multiple readings of the Quran)
13) @41:19 – There were only 4 memorises of the Quran during the liftetime of the Prophet
Also the 3 instead of 5 prayer n the Coran are a clear sign of imperfectness. Likewise the incomplete different Shahadas (all without Mohammed)!
sucking is not for a child but it was for adult And even from Quran Arabic 9 Hadith 2020 The verses of stoning and of breast feeding an adult ten times was revealed “ and the paper was with me under my pillow When the messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death and a tame sheep came in and ate it”Sunan an-Nasa’i 3320 = It was narrated that ‘Aishah said: “Sahlah bint Suhail came to the Messenger of Allah and said: ‘I see (displeasure) in the face of Abu Hudhaifah when Salim enters upon me.’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Breast-feed him.’ She said: ‘How can I breast-feed him when he is a grown man?’ He said: ‘Don’t I know that he is a grown man?’ Then she came after that and said: ‘By the One Who sent you with the truth as a Prophet, I have never seen anything I dislike on the face of Abu Hudhaifah after that”
Steeleye says
This film from Sunday shows what Hatun and other non Muslim speakers have to contend with at Speakers Corner, as a Muslim mob attempt to intimidate and silence multiple non Muslim speakers, eventually descending into spitting at and kicking the atheists before backing off when someone responds in self defence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4HFOhdxFEY. When not being filmed the previous week, the same group mobbed the older Christian preacher, dragged him down from the ladder doubled over and prevented him from getting back up until someone called for the police.
gravenimage says
Yes–very disturbing.
StellaSaidSo says
Yes, this is the new normal in Khan’s London. Being beaten up by Muslims at Speaker’s Corner on a Sunday is all ‘part and parcel of living in a big city’.
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Not learning Islam, you are just an ignorant liar. All what you have been supplying here are bunches of lies concocted by orientalists and mithraist christian evangelist liars debunked by Muslim experts for long. Refer to my rebuttal to Cogitoergosum and liar Gravenimage on this issue of missing verses of the Quran that not even a single word of the Quran was missing or eaten by a goat.All the Hadiths you have cited never contained the garbages of lies you have supplying at this site. A fool!!
gravenimage says
Of course, this is absurd. Here’s one of the Hadith:
It was narrated that Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
–Sunan ibn Majah 1944
There are others–some of which say “goat”, and some “sheep”. These Hadith are all rated “Hasan”–good–which is the second highest ranking. The only reason it is not “Sahih” is because this is only used for Hadith traced back to the “Prophet” himself.
None of this is anything “mithraist (sic) christian evangelist liars” said–this is all from canonical Islamic texts.
StellaSaidSo says
GI, your scholarship is admirable, but it is wasted on a numbskull like Ibrahim, who does not deserve to be taken seriously.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Stella. I don’t actually reply directly to Ibrahim itace muhammed–I know he is a numbskull and a lost cause. I reply to anyone who might otherwise wonder if he even partially telling the truth (which he is not).
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hi everyone have you ever seen those weird competitions on tv were Japanese people are one through it insane obstacle when i’m asking everyone has seen them well that islam the path to heaven is just like took issues castle you’re probably wondering what i’m talking about even though there is a thumbnail and a title i’m talking about a challenge after death that most muslims
believe in because according to sunni islam it is a required to believe in it and then she islam it is one of the basic tenets of the faith of the as out or the bridge according to islam specifically according to a very insane and long her days after death they will be a bridge that everyone has to walk on in order to go to heaven i’m sorry a bridged every those them has to walk on and non muslims all go to hell directly what within thinking of the koran doesn’t say very much about this bridge accepts making a few and implications but the ideas explain is in a very many de tales how this bridges into what it is according to innovations by muhammad after death everyone will [NOISE] they for the judgment all the well first deal with the non who them such as jews and christians and we’ll sent them directly to well after markings him a about they will say we want water that it will be said to them drink and they will fall down in hell instead all why is very funny as you can see the remaining once the muslims will then have a bridge late down in front of them under the bridge his help with its fire almost reaching the bridge and in front of them is the path to paradise we’re alive waits for its pure powers moses to kind of the brain but not every muslims will make it over the bridge a lot of people who believe in a line muhammad will also go to to help temporarily because allies merging full and sweet the bridge
his described by muhammad has a slippery bridge on which there are clams and hooks forms based on there are good deeds and since some muslims will across the bridge as quickly as the wing of an eye some as fast as a lightning some like is strong wind like fast horses and others like camels some
who will be very slow and in the last ones will be drag like on over the bridge there are forms that attack those who has the bridge and some will be a harmed while passing the bridge it’s quite a way that you would be physically harmed after death but whatever and others i want to make it and will fall down into a hell there are mischievous behaviors in life the forms well of course have the intelligence to tell which one is a center and which one is not a center that’s no surprised that that’s nothing surprise even hands can speak in the islamic afterlife the which is also narrower than hair and sharper the a sword those muslims who are following to help will be taken out of held afterwards by allow for the sake of muhammad i don’t know what point of throwing them into hell is in the first place but as i said is quite funny and he loves mockery and see recently who can complete about just going to hell into burning their even though you submitted we were life to our law anyway after this weird to which will is over and all sitting muslims have suffered enough by getting their bodies burn over and over again the muslims will be in paradise and the non muslims will burning hell for all
paternity it’s all funny and interesting but about all of this there is actually something that is much more watch more funny and interesting actually two things that a concept of the bridge is not part of christian or judaism which is the reason why christians in jews also prize by hearing about this
once said during that this bridge is really and death no part of believe and afterlife if our lives is
same god of the bible then why was this bridge never introduced in the bible to christians and juice
ok muslims claimed at the bible was falsified by jews and christians but even if that was true what would to be the point of removing this bridge from the
when it doesn’t harm their faith it doesn’t benefit them in any way it makes
no sense why would they do with that there is no explanation that makes sense and i’m really cure
this right now point to and this is much more interesting it is not found in christianity in judaism
but it has found in a religion that islam mysterious that took in many things from the rest green is i’m
the ancient person religion has also a bridge called the shit bridge also called bridge of the require or bridge of judgment
although there’s a austrian belief in this bridges farm more sophisticated it has clear similarities to these i’m
Jaleel Asghar:Man, I was taught that bridge will be at the size of 1/7 of a strand of hair.
Qui Creva :Muhammad “borrowed” the concept of a bridge to heaven from Zoroastrianism. The “prophet” was one of the world’s greatest plagiarists. As the hadith says, “Muhammad is all ears; whatever he hears, he repeats”. The Qur’an is stuffed full of materials Muhammad “borrowed” from dozens of ancient sources.
Roosje Keizer:Poor muslims. First being tormented in the grave and try to make it over that bridge in a horrible physical state. And then to realize they keep on chanting that allah is all forgiving and merciful.