I interview Bob, a regular at Speakers’ Corner. He discusses the methods that Muslims use in order to gain members into their fold, picking on lone, weak-seeming individuals in order to indoctrinate them. He also says that Muslims commit violence against non-Muslims, while police have generally turned a blind eye, and that the Muslims tend mostly to come along to the park in the early to late evening, and that lots of women are being sexually assaulted by them.
mortimer says
The speaker ‘Bob’ has an excellent methodology, namely, to apply the same methodology of Muslim apologists against Islam.
Applying critical thought to Islam is impossible for Muslims to refute, because Islam is a HOUSE OF CARDS and once EXAMINED WITH CRITICAL THOUGHT, Islam collapses under probing inquiry.
THIS IS AN INDICTMENT OF LONDON POLICE who are giving Muslim criminals a FREE PASS on sexual harassment.
We have already seen that the LONDON POLICE DID NOTHING when Muslims held a prayer meeting in the park which is prohibited under the by-law.
FYI says
Yep.
islam.
It’s like a House of Cards alright..
..on fire..in the midst of a hurricane..
….built on a foundation of shifting sands…on the edge of a cliff..
in an earthquake subduction zone.
muslims {and leftards} always go around in mobs;we see this more and more.
you know this business of muslims praying in public?It is also designed to intimidate.
They are the holiest people in the world with their public displays of false piety,clogging up the streets:they worship a god who rather ingeniously ,manages to insult Jews k2:65,Christians k9:30,Jesus Christ,God’s Commandments,ALL other religions..and preaches violence and hatred to ALL non-muslims.
Give muslims their own scripture and hadiths back to them.See if they can explain the illogicalities of the “perfect” koran.
For example..
1.muhammed{al tabari 6:111} “I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to him things he has not said” Moslems really hate that one {and they wish it would go away} as much as Bukhari 4:52:220 “I have been made victorious through Terror”.Of course they will use the usual tricks pretending that something different is meant.There are plenty of ex-muslims,well versed in islam who are available to demolish them.That allah can only speak arabic is the most ludicrous nonsense..what about Jews praying in Hebrew?Christians in Greek,Russian etc?
Only “prayers” in arabic,like the fatuous fatiha,are acceptable to allah the linguistically and theologically challenged god of islam.What nonsense!
2.If moslems attempt to dismiss the Bible:…
the funny thing is that allah tells muhammed in koran 10:94-95 that if he is in any doubt,he is to read the scripture “that was (before thee)”.
Those “scriptures” allah is referring to?
Yes,that’s right.The ..Torah and the Gospel: the….Bible.
so,allah does not deny the Bible{he disagrees with it of course..}So perhaps muslims should obey allah’s instruction to “read the scripture that was before”:of course,if they do that they will see the errors of islam…and they might discover things like the 2 chief commandments{missing of course in islam},the role God gave the Jews etc,the importance of OBEYING God’s commandments{which allah himself doesn’t follow in his koran}
3.allah’s depiction of the Jews as “apes to be despised and hated” k2:64
But wait!Moses and Jesus Christ are ..Jews.What Logical{or Theological} sense does it make for allah to be antisemitic?None
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO BE ANTI-SEMITIC
But yet allah is clearly antisemitic(and antichristian)…he curses Jews for being Jews and Christian for believing in Jesus Christ see koran 9:30
4.Christian apologists might be interested in the fact that allah{ unwittingly }reveals that he does not know where God’s Wisdom comes from{Christians call this the Holy spirit and it was called as such by Jesus Christ} see koran 4:171.
“say not “three” cease! It is better for you” says allah.Unfortunately for allah,one of the “three” he denies is…God’s Holy Spirit of Wisdom.
God’s Holy Spirit is essential to God:obviously not to allah.
See koran 4:157 for the denial of Christ “they slew him not crucified him but it appeared so unto them”:Clearly,Jesus Christ would beg to differ.
You would certainly have to be trained to deal with such mobs I guess if you are a Christian apologist.
At this rate,given their abject failure to do their duty, the Londonistani police will need a new police-code with the appropriate euphemism:
Code 6-66 It’s a “Highly Religious” area:best to avoid
David Ramseur says
I would tell a Muslim: I may find your god too hateful, too demanding, too untrustworthy, too cruel, etc… But I don’t worship him primarily because he is too pitifully weak. Why worship a god who requires us to defend him from being depicted or blasphemed? Why worship a god whose followers must fight his battles for him against, for instance…apostates? Why worship a god who threatens people for merely questioning Islam? Why worship a god who must be prayed to 5 times a day in Arabic, facing Mecca? Sounds like a pretty frail god to me. And Muslims seem like some pretty insecure, tormented people to me. Islam is all for show. It is bad for your mental health.
Hari Singh says
Islam is not a house of cards but a formidable determined enemy. Although not smart militarily these days, Muslims are still brave to the point of foolhardiness. Many a soldier who has encountered Arabs are glad they spray and shoot and don’t aim.
Islam has produced numerous genocidal Empires.Islam as a system of teachings is rife with contradictions, lies and misunderstandings. But don’t underestimate them, what they are doing has worked in the past. Islam’s opponents must be a dertermined and have the strenght of will unto death that Muslims have. Otherwise you will lose.
Carolyne says
Brave? I do not consider it bravery for a Muslim male to sexually attack a little boy or a little girl, nor is it brave to rape a woman who is physically weaker and unarmed. It is cowardice and Muslims are cowards They cannot fight on equal terms unless they are in a pack. Like animals.
gravenimage says
True, Carolyne.
BC says
It is not usually realised that Mohammad’s religion is basically Judaism. tweaked around somewhat to make him look like a ‘real prophet’. The Jews rejected him as a prophet which is why Muslims hate them so bitterly. Notice that every time He ‘spoke’ to god. Mohammad got the answers he desired. IE that gave him ‘permission’ to do as he wanted. Even some of his contemporaries mocked him for that.
Everything in the quran and hadiths is just to legitimise Mohammad as the final and greatest prophet. He has almost nothing original to say. In fact his ideas are mainly to justify the customs of the Arabs of his day
gravenimage says
Islam is *far* uglier than Judaism, BC.
gravenimage says
I’m not saying that Judaism is ugly; just that Islam is.
gravenimage says
Mortimer–with all respect–your constant claims that Muslims greatly respect logic and critical thought is simply not borne out. Pious Muslims reject reason, and when they can when faced with it simply resort to threats of violence.
They don’t care how Islam is imposed, and in many cases actually prefer using violence or threats of violence.
mortimer says
GI, YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP. YOU HAVE NOT READ ALL MY COMMENTS, but merely eyeball-jogged over the MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES. You cannot quote A SINGLE PHRASE where I have every claime that “Muslims greatly respect logic and critical thought”. I ALWAYS claim that Islam is a mind-control and information-control cult, that it is closed to further analysis, that it is a group-think cult, that Muslims observe TAQLID (a word you don’t know) and that Muslims instantly avoid questions because of Koran 5:101-102
“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.”
Furthermore, I have consistently claimed that Islam cannot be defended with an intellectual argument because Islam is 1) unhistorical 2) unethical and amoral and 3) self-referentially incoherent. The only time Muslims use critical thought is when they discuss OTHER RELIGIONS THAN ISLAM, but they refuse to apply the same standard of critical thought to Islam and run from such discussions, usually after insulting the person who raises the questions.
Without a strong knowledge of the ISLAMIC PRIMARY TEXTS you cannot really understand what I am saying.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
GI, YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP. YOU HAVE NOT READ ALL MY COMMENTS, but merely eyeball-jogged over the MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES. You cannot quote A SINGLE PHRASE where I have every claime that “Muslims greatly respect logic and critical thought”.
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Mortimer, I never said you specifically used these terms. But if you *don’t* believe that Muslims respect logic and critical thought, then why would you suppose that they would be swayed by the same?
As for your posts, I actually read them quite closely. Your comments are generally excellent and well worth reading when you are talking about the savage texts of Islam.
When you get on “deprogramming” or–worse–slandering other Anti-Jihadists here for saying anything negative about Muslims, then not so much.
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I ALWAYS claim that Islam is a mind-control and information-control cult, that it is closed to further analysis, that it is a group-think cult, that Muslims observe TAQLID (a word you don’t know) and that Muslims instantly avoid questions because of Koran 5:101-102
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Why ever would you assume I am unfamiliar with such a common Islamic term? It refers to how closely a Muslim’s views adhere to those of other Muslim scholars. Since the “Gates of Ijtihad” (inquiry) are held to have closed almost a thousand years ago, let’s just say that innovative thinking is not held in high esteem among pious Muslims.
Since you know this, you have never said why Muslims can be “deprogrammed”–especially by”filthy Infidels”, whom they are not supposed to listen to, in any case.
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“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.”
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Yep.
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Furthermore, I have consistently claimed that Islam cannot be defended with an intellectual argument because Islam is 1) unhistorical 2) unethical and amoral and 3) self-referentially incoherent. The only time Muslims use critical thought is when they discuss OTHER RELIGIONS THAN ISLAM, but they refuse to apply the same standard of critical thought to Islam and run from such discussions, usually after insulting the person who raises the questions.
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Actually, Muslims rarely use critical thought even when criticizing other faiths, either–and this dates back to the “Prophet”. Hence the bizarre Islamic claim that Jews worship Ezra as the son of God, and Muslim trolls like Ibrahim itace muhammed who say grotesque things like the Bible saying that Christian parents are instructed to dip their hand’s into their daughter’s vaginas and make their brothers have sex with them. None of this is indicative of critical thought, or even of basic honesty.
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Without a strong knowledge of the ISLAMIC PRIMARY TEXTS you cannot really understand what I am saying.
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I have read the Qur’an cover to cover in five translations, have read Spencer’s “Blogging the Qur’an” and other Qur’anic commentary, have read widely in the Hadith, have read the Sira, the compendium of Sunni jurisprudence “The Reliance of the Traveller”, Khomeini’s “LIttle Green Book”, and the work of many Muslim scholars, past and present.
Of course, there are those who are certainly more learned than myself, such as Robert Spencer–but I think I am more knowledgeable than most.
Again, though, you never say why, knowing what you do, that Muslims are going to allow the “filthy Infidels”, whom they despise, to “deprogram” them.
mortimer says
OK, fascist, you obviously have no respect for human rights or commitment for human rights. You have no respect for anyone who does not share your very narrow version of racist fascism. Your fascist is actually no better than Islamofascism, just different. Your only solution is violence. You are not a peacock, but someone whose dangerous ideas were tried in the 1940s at a cost of 50 million souls. Today the cost would be much higher. It is hard to imagine a greater fool than one who is as unteachable and unaware of history and logic as you are. It appears you did not finish high school.
gravenimage says
Where did Jay Boo say anything “racist’ in opposing Muslims sexually assaulting women? And where did he ever call for violence?
And how does taking a stand against rape make you a Nazi? The Nazis were not opposed to rape.
And Mortimer, do you *really* think that calling rapists “pigs” is as bad as being a rapist? And if so, *why*?
Michael Copeland says
Some kind drone owner might allow his drone to overfly groups of men surrounding women. That would constitute usable evidence.
elee says
Can minors give evidence in Britain?
Muslim2018 says
“Bob” is lying to his teeth. He is angry because people are embracing Islam at Speaker’s Corner and they are threatened by this. The idea that Muslim men are sexually assaulting Christian women is absurd.
He claims that the church need to train Christians to be better at evangelizing. Christianity is failing because it is false, it is failing because people are seeing through their lies as well as the media. Non Muslims are feeding its populace with misinformation about Islam as is clearly happening on JW. When a thinking person with an ounce of conscience is left investigate these issues he/she sees clearly the distortions and misinformation about Islam.
They can try all of the “strategies” they want Allah will guide more to Islam in sha Allah.
StellaSaidSo says
‘The idea that Muslim men are sexually assaulting Christian women is absurd.
What rock do you live under? There is no shortage of evidence of Muslim men targeting non-Muslim women for sexual assault. Their vile ‘religion’ permits them to do so.
The ‘lies’ that people are ‘seeing through’ are the lies perpetrated by Muslims and their apologists. Sites like JW reveal the TRUTH about the vile ideology of Islam.
The fake ‘god’ ‘Allah’ ‘guides’ only fools to the vile ideology of Islam. For every ignorant and vulnerable convert to Islam, a dozen decent Muslims turn their back on it.
Muslim2018 says
Stellasaidso:
Where at the speakers corner Muslim men are assaulting non Muslim women, produce your proof if you are truthful.
Sites like JW are feeding off your xenophobia whilst they are laughing all the way to the bank.
If your last statement is true then why are you all so paranoid?
gravenimage says
We have no desire to be raped or murdered by Muslims, nor to live under savage Islamic law.
I guess that makes us “Islamophibic”…
mortimer says
Muslim2018 is so poorly informed about sociology, it is downright pitiful. The mechanisms of secularism since the 1800s are well-studied. In 1841, the first census showed that only 1/3 of the British were in church on Sunday. This is not a new phenomenon.
And if Muslim2018 took the time to learn (he is lazy and won’t), he would find about 15% of Muslims go to the mosque in our time.
David Ramseur says
Things that Christianity emphasizes, that Islam either lacks or barely mentions: truth being a virtue, love for your fellow man, the redeeming work of God, humility, confession of sin, grace, mercy, forgiveness, salvation being an unearnable gift, a heavenly Father as opposed to just an impersonal master, liberty, impartiality, etc…
Do you know Jesus? The portrait of Him in the gospels is not what you are able to encounter in the Quran / Sunnah. And there is no other name under heaven by which men must be saved. Do not harden your heart. The truth will set you free. Whoever the Son sets free is free indeed.
The devil came only to steal, kill, and destroy. But he was defeated by Jesus on the cross. If you repent and believe in Jesus, trusting in His finished work of absolution on the cross, you will be saved. You will be pardoned. You will receive eternal life. And God will never leave or forsake you. He will bless you and bless others thru you.
Muslim2018 says
David Ramseur:
Thanks but no thanks. The hate I’ve seen enough of it from JW commenters. Such “love” for the “enemy.”
gravenimage says
“Muslim2018” appears to consider opposing pedophilia, rape, persecution, and mass slaughter to be “hate”.
Who can be surprised?
Kay says
And yet Muslim, the invitation remains open because the true invitation comes from God and only through His imperfect yet redeemed worshippers.
Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
gravenimage says
What absolute crap from “Muslim2018” (formerly “Muslim2017”, as though this is important for someone who embraces a creed that has not changed since the dark ages).
Muslims regularly assault Christian and other Infidel women–rapes have *skyrocketed* in Europe since the Muslim invasion began.
Moreover, the “Prophet” *himself* raped Christian women, both in Jihad and using them as sex slaves.
As for Speaker’s Corner, here are Muslims physically assaulting civilized people at Speaker’s Corner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHXYW8FMlQI
For specifically sexual assaults, there are horrors like the organized assaults on New Year’s Eve in places like Cologne and many other places in Germany and beyond a couple of years ago. And this is ongoing–“Muslim2018” hopes we don’t know this.
Muslim2018 says
We are still awaiting evidence from you and “Bob” to present evidence of sexual assaults on non Muslim women at speakers corner. All this Islamophobic waffling doesn’t address the key issue.
gravenimage says
Wait–pointing out Muslims raping and assaulting Infidels is “waffling? What tripe.
I have video proof of the latter, but this is not enough.
The thing is that “Muslim2018” has never actually said that he condemns any of this savagery–but then, why would he?
Kay says
It seems the “evidence” is lacking because a group of Muslim men targets a non-Muslim woman.
Since in the Judeo-Christian tradition we value the individual, the perpetrator(s) who act as a group are given a kind of anonymity.
But this anonymity takes away only the certain identification of the perpetrator; it does not take away the fact of the assault.
P. H. says
Please explain for all on this forum to see the grooming gangs in the UK.
gravenimage says
+1
Rufolino says
What “distortions” ?? When the Koran is quoted, it cannot be a distortion !
KWJ says
Muslim2018, what do you think the distortions of Islam that non-Muslims are saying? Are ex-Muslims distorting Islam too? What about centuries of Islamic scholars and imams and Sheiks? I often here Muslims say on YT that the media is distorting Islam (even though our mainstream media is appeading it), but they don’t specifically say what is being distorted.
If you’re going to claim that then give examples or your statement is of no benefit, especially when there are people here that know Islam pretty darn well. Da’wah is sneaky.
gravenimage says
Video: Regular at UK’s Speakers’ Corner says Muslims often sexually assault women there
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This is appalling. I remember my English mother saying that while there might be a be a bit of catcalling for particularly unpopular ideas such as Stalinism or abolishing the monarchy, that Speaker’s Corner was the safest place in the world, where anyone could gather and speak openly without fear.
I am not surprised that Muslims are ruining another fine civilized custom.
Truth says
Speakers corner, you meant Allah’s corner? UK is becoming a shithole
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
God bless you Bob. Stay safe.
gravenimage says
+1
Malcolm Jackson says
Mud-slims do not dare assault Sikh women. Check out Sikh Awareness Society.