The Post also wrote: “But Erdogan’s ability to benefit from the crisis has raised questions about whether Trump underestimated the Turkish leader, a ‘nimble tactician’ who is convinced that Western powers are bent on crippling Turkey because of its status as a strong Muslim nation.”
It doesn’t matter to the Post that Erdogan is busy dismantling Turkish secularism, or that he had Turkish mosques call for jihad as his military moved against the Kurds. They don’t care that he has laid claim to the lands once ruled by the Ottoman Empire. They don’t care how repressive or aggressive he is. He is against Trump, and that makes him the Washington Post’s friend, no matter what.
“WaPo Says Trump ‘Strong-Arming’ Turkish Islamist President Erdogan. Then It Offers This Description Of Erdogan,” by Hank Berrien, Daily Wire, August 20, 2018:
The Washington Post, in a seeming effort to undermine President Trump, published a story on Sunday night in which Trump’s efforts to get Turkey to release a detained American pastor were referred to as “strong-arming,” while Turkish Islamist President Recip [sic] Erdogan’s resistance was limned as heroically “unbowed.”
The Post wrote Trump initiated “market-rattling economic sanctions and humiliating public rebukes” but “Erdogan, for the moment, appears unbowed.”
The Post opines that Erdogan has used Trump’s aggressive posture to rally domestic support to his side, thus vitiating the anger against him for Turkey’s failing economy. The Post delightedly quotes Erdogan huffing that Turkey “will not surrender to those who act like a strategic partner but make us a strategic target.”…
No matter, the Post has Erdogan’s back: “But Erdogan’s ability to benefit from the crisis has raised questions about whether Trump underestimated the Turkish leader, a ‘nimble tactician’ who is convinced that Western powers are bent on crippling Turkey because of its status as a strong Muslim nation, said Lisel Hintz, a professor of international relations at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies.”
The Post gleefully quotes Hintz bloviating, “Trump has played exactly into Erdogan’s hands.”…
Mockingjay says
Wow.
American newspapers really ARE the enemy of freedom – and of all freedom-loving people.
StellaSaidSo says
Yep. ESPECIALLY the Washington Post and the NYT, both unashamed mouthpieces for the Deep State, the Demon-crats, and the globalists.
Roger woodhouse says
There was nothing in the newspaper’s article which was in anyway surprising.In fact it was a typical response one might expect here in Britain from any of our MSM.There is nothing but appeasement that will satisfy these pathetic liberal cowards.Erdogan will back down because he knows Trump will not..Trumps cause is virtuous.He has ‘right’on his side and thank God most Americans know it.
christianblood says
Let us put things in perspective here:
Turkey (Erdogan) has been America’s friend and a Nato ally (and still is) and has even gone along with America’s crazed regime-change plans in Syria a few years ago by allowing and facilitating tens of thousands of US, Nato and Saudi-backed international islamic jihadist mercenaries from around the world to invade Syria through its long border with Turkey. This has gone on 2011-2016 while all the while, Erdogan faithfully kept repeating the US-made mantra that “Assad must go”! Turkey has even shot down a Russian war plane that was aiding the Syrian army and bombing jihadists near the Turkish border! However, Erdogan changed his course in 2016 when he was stabbed at the back by his US, Nato ally by orchestrating and almost succeeding a Gulenist-Islamist Coup against Erdogan! That is when Turkey changed its course and realized the fact that the back-stabbing, pro-jihadist America cannot be trusted and that they should do whatever is right for their country and anyone who is suggesting that Erdogan has to roll over and take in everything that the duplictious, back-stabbing US has to throw at him is indeed wrong and lives a detached, fantasy world!
christianblood says
WVinMN posted
(..And then you have Erdogan’s continued Islamization of Turkey..)
O’ save me the crap! You are talking like US governments hate islamists and islamization of the world while the undeniable fact is, successive US governments support islamists, including islamist jihadists like they did in Afghanistan, in Bosnia, in Kosovo, in Libya, Egypt, Yemen and Syria! In fact, the islamist tyrant who is the de-facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, (which is the closest US ally in the islamic world) said recently that Saudi Arabia and oil-rich Gulf states spent trillions of dollars spreading Wahhabism at the behest of the West. Read his own words below:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1672777/3-wahhabism-spread-behest-west-cold-war-mohammed-bin-salman/
gravenimage says
The US was not behind the military coup against Erdogan–what crap.
christianblood says
Mockingjay posted
(..American newspapers really ARE the enemy of freedom – and of all freedom-loving people..)
What is freedom? Could you please define it?
gravenimage says
Christianblood has sneered at freedom many times before.
And referring to American conservatives as “Trotskyites” show just how unhinged he has become.
gravenimage says
Notice, too, that Christianblood–despite his stance at standing up for oppressed Christians–has nothing critical to say about the persecution of this Christian pastor.
But then, why would he? He is now saying that all Christians persecuted in Iran must be “American spies”.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Do you really thing the neocons that run America care about this Christian pastor? That is smoke screen!
These people have the blood of millions Christians in the ME and in the Balkans in their hands!
gravenimage says
Christianblood *still* has not expressed any concern for this pastor–he is just saying that those who express concern for him somehow don’t care either.
And I suppose the latter is his Christianblood’s frequent claim that ISIS is actually run by the US, and has nothing to do with Islam.
The truth is that it is the US that is the main force that drove ISIS out of their “Caliphate” territory–and this actually has made Christians in the region considerably safer.
LytchZam says
Most American “conservatives” couldn’t tell you who Trotsky was, let alone the nuances of his views. Frankly, anyone who can is maybe too close to the trees to see the forest and doesn’t really understand American conservatives at all.
Mockingjay says
Christianblood – I’m not really interested in having a semantic-philosophical discussion about what freedom ”really is”, because here it will suffice to determine what freedom IS NOT.
ISLAM IS NOT FREEDOM – I think we should be able to agree on that?
– Now since mr. Erdogan is a true islamist, he represents the opposite of freedom, and ANY newspaper in the West taking his side is beyond redemption. Not even the leftist newspapers of Europe would try going there. The fact that an american paper WILL, is UNBELIEVABLE as well as simply inexcusable.
BC says
Trump is absolutely correct, the MSM in USA is anti American and anti Trump. They prove the case themselves almost daily
somehistory says
Truly disgusting. The fiend from Turkey is a murderer bent on taking over all of humanity for islam and his kaliphate, which he would rule with vile sentences for all who oppose him
To be on his side, is to be on the side of evil.
Jim McGill says
I was a democrat for most of my adulthood, but thankfully, I recovered my senses when I got older and much better informed. I grew up with FDR as THE president and expected he always would be. Donald Trump is the best president the USA has had since Abraham Lincoln, and he gets better every day. We needed him more than we ever thought.
gravenimage says
Washington Post hits Trump for “strong-arming” Erdogan over imprisoned pastor, praises Erdogan as “unbowed”
………………
The Washington Post is praising Erdogan for unjustly imprisoning a peaceful pastor, and castigating Trump for calling him out on it? Moral insanity.
Westman says
Erdogan UNBOWED? How can news media be that uninformed?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/20/us-reportedly-refuses-to-give-turkish-bank-relief-in-exchange-for-detained-pastors-release.html
Frankly, Trump is Erdogan’s new Proctologist.
gravenimage says
Now *that* is funny!
Westman says
“The Post opines that Erdogan has used Trump’s aggressive posture to rally domestic support to his side, thus vitiating the anger against him for Turkey’s failing economy. ”
So? Will they be voting in the 2020 election of POTUS? Why should the US care if Turkey rallies to Erdogan; Turkey will just be more likely to be expelled from NATO, a good outcome. Does the WaPo have a secret unrevealed desire to make Erdogan Caliph? Do they think a New Caliphate won’t come looking for their necks before Trump?
“Trump has played exactly into Erdogan’s hands.”… For Erdgan to do what? Remove Turkey from the modern world?
For being a political news organization the WaPo certainly picks the wrong “winners”. You dodos at WaPo still don’t understand why Trump was elected. We want disrespect for the US to have consequences and never again experience the limp-wristed hand-wringng weak POTUS denigration of America flowing from Carter, Obama, and now Cuomo.
There must be consequences for holding US ctizens hostage and Trump is the real man, flaws and all, to deliver it.
1. There are those who make things happen,
2. Those who watch what happens, and,
3. Those who can’t figure out what happened.
1. Are real leaders, 2. Are newspapers and universities, and, 3. Are those who believe 2. have any real life experience at making things happen.
WaPo slid from 2 to 3 on Nov 4, 2016.
Jay says
Great summation. Thx ??????
Brian hoff says
You mean the CIA agent behind the fail coup in Turkey.
gravenimage says
What crap from “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”. This attempted coup was classic for Turkey, where the army takes out a leader who is out of control. The only difference here is that they did not succeed in taking out the dictator. This had nothing to do with the US, and nothing to do with this peaceful pastor. In fact, Erdogan himself sees to be dropping that claim, and just sneeringly refers to him as a “priest”.
Eric says
0 for 3. Kim, Putin and now Erdogan. The Post is despicable but Trumps moves against unfriendly country leaders have flopped. His support for Israel almost balances out the 0 for 3. Almost. His attitude towards England and the EU is, however, commendable. He should rely on others when strategizing for meetings with those unfriendly country leaders.
gravenimage says
I don’t know. Kim Jong Un appears to have stopped lobbing missiles in the general direction of South Korea and Japan. Not altogether a bad thing.
Westman says
Eric may watch too much TV where problems are solved in just one hour. Perhaps he didn’t notice as a contingent of north and south Koreans greeted each other today. He obviously doesn’t realize that Erdogan’s Turkey offered to cough up the Pastor in exchange for releasing sanctions on its banks and the US has refused. The screws are being felt by Erdogan. Calling that 0 for 3 is quite uninformed.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/20/us-reportedly-refuses-to-give-turkish-bank-relief-in-exchange-for-detained-pastors-release.html
gravenimage says
Yes, Westman–the arrest and persecution of this Pastor is quite obviously a bargaining chip for Erdogan.
Again, Turkey is *no* ally of ours.
Joy says
I’m counting on Trump to emerge from this mini- (or actually, NON-) crisis ahead of that muzzie pig, Erdogan. I pray that, in time, the Turkish people will be able to successfully challenge this little Hitler regarding his taking away so many of their liberties (Ataturk must be a whirling Turkish dervish in his grave these days!!). OTOH, Erdogan has a powerful military backing him, and I don’t see him buckling to ANY pressure from Trump (but maybe Putin?). Anyway, Erdogan is leading his country back into the 19th century!
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Savage mad devil Trump is clueless cowboy imagining that that hegemony can still be applied to Turks. He is mistaken, Turkey has outsmarted him by retaliating to his economic sanctions where Turks answered Erdogan’s call for boycott of some American finished and double tariffs to others as China did in retaliation that has been devastating American economy. wicked scums of evils inspired by one-eyed Satan god in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods of evils!!
StellaSaidSo says
Gibberish.
Roger woodhouse says
Utter muslim garbage only to be expected from a brainwashed Islamist whose choice of language becomes more hysterical and offencive everytime he comments here..
Roger woodhouse says
Utter muslim garbage only to be expected from a brainwashed Islamist whose choice of language becomes more hysterical and offencive everytime he comments here..
Roger woodhouse says
*offensive*
James Lincoln says
Ibrahim,
Please get your lithium level checked immediately, my guess is that it is a little bit low.
don vito says
itace, have you any modesty? Your potty month should be as clean as your feet. Your mind is filthy with islamic value, but at least your feet are clean (I think). Sorry itace, but your post has to be denigrated to a unwholesome -(-61). Try to think outside your islamic teachings.
Brian hoff says
Where I live trump have no support on this that so called christian is than CIA agent.
StellaSaidSo says
I’m guessing you live in an Islamic sh*thole. Correct me if I’m wrong.
gravenimage says
Stella, “Brian hoff” has said that he is an American convert to Islam, and lives in Texas. Not clear if there is anything factual about this claim.
gravenimage says
The witless ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Savage mad devil Trump is clueless cowboy imagining that that hegemony can still be applied to Turks. He is mistaken, Turkey has outsmarted him by retaliating to his economic sanctions where Turks answered Erdogan’s call for boycott of some American finished and double tariffs to others as China did in retaliation that has been devastating American economy. wicked scums of evils inspired by one-eyed Satan god in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods of evils!!
…………………………..
The idea that arresting innocent people is “outsmarting” anyone is just absurd–this is just standard Islamic thuggery.
As for their economy, Turkey is in a lot of trouble:
“Turkey’s currency collapse shows just how vulnerable its economy is to a crisis”
https://theconversation.com/turkeys-currency-collapse-shows-just-how-vulnerable-its-economy-is-to-a-crisis-101556
Ibrahim itace muhammed is still applauding them for having dropped the dollar–despite their having been in economic free fall ever since.
And Turks boycotting American goods is funny. For ourselves, we really don’t need more apricots and poor-quality olive oil.
And he is still–absurdly–claiming that Jews and Christians worship an ancient near eastern goddess. Marked ignorance on several different fronts in one short post.
Anne Smith says
Just wish we had a Prime Minister in UK of Trump’s persuasion instead of the cringing pathetic apology for one that we currently have.
Roger woodhouse says
Hear hear.We are sinking rapidly here in Britain.The chances of us ever (being allowed) to elect such a man are zero.God knows we need one.
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
I can understand much better now what Mr Trump means by wanting to drain the swamp.
More power to Mr Trump !
Billy Chickens says
ibrahim calls Trump a cowboy although Ibrahim has never been acquainted with a real cowboy. He needs to be more careful with how he throws his compliments around….
,,,because yes, Trump is a cowboy – a real all-American gun carrying cowboy used to dealing with the grizzly bears, wolves and snakes.
iprazhm says
Really? Washington post sided with the head islamic jihadist over an American president?
BOYCOTT
gravenimage says
And did so in support of this dictator persecuting an American Pastor. Just shameful.
David says
WP is a disgrace. I can understand their objections to Trump. But Erdogan wants to rebuild the Ottoman Empire. Interference in elections. Erdogan is assisting with pro-Turkish political parties. And the water crisis in parts of the Middle East are likely the result of Erdogan and his massive dam projects in Turkey. This is probably WP just being a voice for Bezos and Amazon.
gravenimage says
Yes–objecting to Trump is one thing. Doing so while applauding a hostile foreign dictator persecuting an American is sickening.
infidel says
What kind of an anti-national newspaper is this?? VOW!! I always thought that as a newspaper and that too based in a nation’s capital city, one always bats for the home country.
David says
The Ottoman Slap has,been met by the Sobiesky Smackdown.
Kepha says
Or the Sobiesky Kick to the buttocks?
Kepha says
Why shouldn’t the WaPo take this tack? Turkey jailed an Evangelical Christian pastor who, in the view of the WaPo editorial staff, is the most despicable form of animal life available (fire-breathing mullahs, on the other hand, are champions of “Third World liberation and dignity”, it seems).
Back in the late 1970’s, the WaPo was instrumental in using the Iranian hostage crisis to create a panic about an international, interfaith “fundamentalist” plot to undermine all goodness and beauty (I left out truth, since our MSM is now in the hands of post-modernists, who don’t believe in it). And, when they saw that criticism of Islam could get media and entertainment people killed, they deftly decided that it was enough to attack and dehumanize “fundamentalist” Christians.
This being said, my prayers are with the imprisoned pastor, while I root for The Donald against the Washington [com-]Post.
gravenimage says
I’d missed that from the Washington Post during the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Kepha, even though I followed that terrible story closely at the time (I was on the other side of the country and read local newspapers). I cannot say I am surprised, though.
Lydia Church says
They don’t care at all for persecuted Christians and practically praise their persecutors!
The world is becoming more anti-Christian by the day, hating on us and loving those who torture us.
gravenimage says
President Trump is standing up for him–as are many other Americans, such as myself.
gavinwca says
WAPO pro Muslim brotherhood, anti American Traitors. No dough the paper that assigned 60 reporters to find dirt on President Trum, but could not find anything but the false, framed, lying ,garbage that the FBI and President Obola and the. Intelligence community manufactured with the help of British and Russian intelligence. Against him. For the wapo any country but america and any president but Trump.
TWG says
Just yesterday I mused about how long it might take for the islammunists (dims) to start cheering on another anti-Trump tyrant, just like they did with N. Korea’s tyrant…….. ‘Show me your friends…..’ They have no compunction whatsoever to alligning with the world’s trolls in seeking the ruin of souls.
And they don’t even care that we know they’re deranged liars. Call them on their bullshit and their response is always the same….. Lie, lie, lie, deflect, project, threaten and, in some cases, assault.
For me, this isn’t about changing minds anymore. It’s about telling them EXACTLY what they are, and EXACTLY how much I detest them. They will eagerly slit our throats and the throats of future generations, just to get their bag of candy or to make themselves *feeeeeel* better. The debate ended for me, a long time ago. In 2009. When one of those islammunist beasts threw a cup of urine in my face. Prior to that moment, I was polite, courteous and respectful during debate. Having urine thrown in my face changed me forever. There is no living being that I despise more than islammunists, and I make sure they know it each and every time the opportunity presents itself.
They’ve demonstrated their allegiance. With no ambiguity whatsoever.
gravenimage says
+1
Arthur says
It may be worth mentioning that the author of the Washington Post article is one Kareem Fahim, the Bureau chief in Istanbul. Maybe he got lazy and asked for the Turkey state media to write his article for him.
Kareem Fahim
Istanbul bureau chief covering the Middle East
Education: Occidental College, bachelor’s degree in Diplomacy and World Affairs; Columbia University, SIPA, master’s degree in International Affairs
Kareem Fahim has served as the Istanbul bureau chief and a Middle East correspondent for The Washington Post since September 2016. Previously, he worked for 11 years as a staff reporter for the New York Times, with assignments on the metro desk and as a Cairo-based foreign correspondent reporting on the Arab uprisings and their aftermath.
Fahim attended Occidental College in Los Angeles, and Columbia University’s graduate School of International and Public Affairs. He grew up in Palo Alto, Calif., and in Kuwait.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the background on Kareem Fahim, Arthur.
Here he is, further sneering at this persecuted Pastor:
“A fist bump, then a rancorous call: How Trump’s deal to free an American pastor in Turkey fell apart”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-us-will-impose-large-sanctions-on-turkey-for-detaining-american-pastor-for-nearly-two-years/2018/07/26/75dcde32-90e5-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html?utm_term=.f54275e96da5
Horseman says
How funny. The WP is really showing its azz. Erdo?an arrests dissident journalists and puts them in jail along with anyone else that goes against him. The Wp is a joke.