McCain has already been canonized by an establishment media desperate to destroy President Trump in any way it can, but in Egypt they’re not so worshipful. McCain “was the main supporter for the terrorist Brotherhood. Senator McCain was the one who opened up the Congress to the Brotherhood. He was the one arranging the meetings and appointments and providing them with protection.”
Remember that when Michele Bachmann called for an investigation into Muslim Brotherhood infiltration in the U.S. government, McCain denounced her on the Senate floor as a bigot and an Islamophobe. There was no investigation.
“Egyptian media: John McCain is real Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood,” Middle East Monitor, September 3, 2018 (thanks to Lookmann):
Egyptian media has accused the late US senator and presidential nominee John McCain of being the ‘Godfather’, ‘leader’, and ‘real Supreme Guide’ of the Muslim Brotherhood organisation.
In remarks, he made during a talk show aired on Sada El-Balad TV, the Egyptian media personality and TV host Ahmed Moussa claimed that McCain, recognised in the US as a national war hero and longtime senator, was, in fact, the ‘real Supreme Guide’ of the Muslim Brotherhood.
“John McCain is the real Supreme Guide of the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood, not Badee and not Akef,” Moussa said.
“Today was John McCain’s funeral, which the leaders of the criminal Brotherhood in America have taken part in,” he continued, “ and they performed the Absentee funeral prayer for John McCain in Qatar, Turkey, USA, and Britain. ”
“[McCain] was the main supporter for the terrorist Brotherhood,” he added. “Senator McCain was the one who opened up the Congress to the Brotherhood. He was the one arranging the meetings and appointments and providing them with protection.”…
Moussa said that McCain was “a stronger ally” to the Muslim Brotherhood than Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Emir of Qatar Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani….
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Flying a A4 dive bomber into downtown Hanoi during the war took serious courage. Then the years in the Hanoi Hilton. It all adds up to true heroism. But when he came back and was elected to the House, first thing he did was stop revealing all records related to MIAs. Bad.
Then the hero decided that open borders was better than sovereignty. He stuck to that ideal for decades, until his death. The hero have campaigned for a Constitutional Convention to amend for non-sovereignty, but he was never a nation-of-laws guy. Then this mess with the Mo-Bro-Hood. Way to go, hero. How fitting that his last vote was to keep Obamacare, a socialist program that again to be legal must be enabled by an amendment to the Constitution.
But, as I said, the hero was never a nation-of-laws guy. As he lay in state, his daughter got in some shots on the president. His week long funeral was a perfect send off.
Indiana Tom says
Yeah and McCain crashed several planes before he got to Vietnam and was trying to redeem himself from his past screwups. He did not follow procedures on his attack run and did not follow procedures on his bailout which landed him injured in the Hanoi Hilton. They did not call him Crash McCain for nothing.
Okay he flew a combat mission over Vietnam, so what? My two uncles flew combat missions against the Luftwaffe and brought the planes back usually in one piece.
Mac-101 says
But he ended up gittin one medal every half hour or hour, I forgot, for the 22 hours he flew combat missions in Vietnam! Dat makes him a Hero, LOL!
mass55th says
Kind of reminds you of John Kerry’s three Purple Hearts, one Bronze Star and one Silver Star…all received during his whole three months of duty in Vietnam.
Mac-101 says
Mass, you got dat right and they both conspired to abandoned our POW/MIA as they chaired on the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs!
Bb says
Right but my dad who survived being bombed of a building and did assassinations in Laos gets nothing.
Bob says
And a buddy of mine, who was a Corpsman with Fleet Marine Force in Vietnam, scratch that, in a country which will shall remain nameless, received nothing for his time and effort in that country, not even a letter of appreciation. He has become a recluse after his time and experience over there. He was charged every single day with bringing back the bodies and the pieces and parts, tagging them and doing all that necessary work, and it’s a wonder he can even function. He is a diabetic after being exposed to Agent Orange. He got not so much as a Navy Achievement Medal. The RINO is not a hero, but a songbird.
revereridesagain says
What’s ever more awesome: that some were not in “one piece” but they brought them back anyway!
Carolyne says
My brother was a communications officer in Vietnam who had to hide with his radio equipment in the mountains alone and moving from place to place. He often had no food. He died of kidney cancer which we believe was caused by Agent Orange. He was my hero. Not that Manchurian Candidate, John McCain.
Shelli says
You’re brother was a REAL HERO!
Not that traitor No Name.
Mac-101 says
Exactly. He is the type of soldier who was NOT returned from Vietnam which Kerry and McCin abandoned with their Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs.
Claudia says
Sorry for the loss of your brother. I agree Manchurian candidate.
American Joe says
I was in the 25th inf Div as a 91B10 grunt medic PFC. Buddies of mine endured brutal physical and mental scars caused by that needless war. All enlisted men, not one who survived received a purple heart.
To his credit, Oliver Stone wrote a screenplay based upon the experiences of the 25th Inf Div which is an accurate description of the chaos. The movie – “Platoon”.
It was our hope that the remaining prisoners of war would eventually make it home. John McCain personally stopped that from happening.
Mac-101 says
Gone but NOT forgotten BRO! Now that McCain is gone KEEP the pressure on that scumbag Kerry. McCain and Kerry did ALL they could to abandon our POWs/MIAs!
VRWC member77 says
“Remember that when Michele Bachmann called for an investigation into Muslim Brotherhood infiltration in the U.S. government, McCain denounced her on the Senate floor as a bigot and an Islamophobe. There was no investigation.”
That in itself makes to me, john Mccain, the scum-of-the-earth. I had gotten tired of his so-called “hero” status long ago. Keating five, gang of eight and many other “reach-across-the-aisle” antics were quite enough for me and millions of others, to hold this man in utter contempt. The week long funerals were just another example of his pretentious nature……….thank God it has ended.
Good riddance to a horrible person.
nospyme says
Yep!
rooare says
VRWC member77,
..”reach-across-the-aisle”.. McCain didn’t reach across the aisle he was across the aisle.
Audrey says
Your comment made me laugh out loud although you hit the nail on the head perfect! I’ve called him Manchurian candidate as long as I can remember. Glad to say I wasn’t wrong
Ren says
+1
Robert_k says
John McCain is Tweetledom and Lindsey Graham Tweetledee. He was too stupid and incompetent to evil. James A. Baker III, GHW Bush’s Secretary of State and Jimmy Carter, on the other hand, are smarter and more cunning. They are evil and won’t die young. (“Only the good die young”.) James Baker reminds me of a reincarnation of Reinhard Heydrich, Hitler’s henchman, tall, blond, ramrod posture, the prototypical Aryan figure.
Carolyne says
And Jimmy Carter reminds me of Mr. Peanut.
Ruth Stewart says
Ditto!!
Carolyne says
If it hadn’t ended his body would have started to go bad. I was disgusted at the whole charade. IMO McCain was a “Manchurian Candidate.” Mybrother was a true hero. He hid out in the Vietnamese mountains with radio equipment alone for days on end, sometimes without food. He died we believe of kidney cancer which was caused by Agent Orange.
McCain’s first wife, with whom he had three children, faithfully waited for him to return from Hanoi. During that time, she suffered a terrible automobile accident in which she was crippled and badly scarred. When he returned, he took a look at her and split. He married his little rich cookie six weeks after their divorce. He was a womanizing. disgusting piece of s**t.
And then there’s the story of his causing a fire on board an aircraft carrier by playing around and releasing his bombs. The plane behind him on deck also had bombs which exploded.. Tens of Navy personnel died putting out the fire while some say they saw him in the lunchroom eating lunch during the conflagration. Hero? Ha! I detested the supercilious, arrogant, stupid John McCain.
President Trump was right . You aren’t supposed to get captured.
James Lincoln says
Alarmed Pig Farmer,
As a retired Naval officer, I agree with your points regarding CAPT McCain’s military service. If one just considered his US Naval service, he was a patriot who had endured unimaginable adversity.
If he had not entered politics and, say, landed a job flying for United Airlines or working for General Dynamics, I really would have nothing negative to say about the man.
His politics, however, were very inconsistent – for a Republican – and, I believe this hurt the United States – particularly in regards to his views on immigration and Islam in general.
Mac-101 says
You mean to tell me you’d let your loved ones fly on a commercial airliner with McCain at the controls? I sure wouldn’t! You think his “White NAVAL Privilege” was acceptable? To be rewarded were others would be punished?
James Lincoln says
Mac-101,
While in the Navy, according to all public records, CAPT McCain’s aviation skills had improved over time and he was seen as a good pilot. This type of progression is not uncommon in naval aviation. I say this as a retired US Naval Flight Surgeon 26+ years.
There is no flying that is more difficult than U.S. Navy carrier-based aviation – and flying tactical jets in combat. Flying a commercial airliner is far less demanding. If after his naval service, CAPT McCain had been found PQ physically qualified and AA aeronautical adaptable by an AME aviation medical examiner certified to do FAA first-class exams, he would still would have had to prove his abilities to fly a commercial jet airliner. There would be no favoritism given. Safety would be paramount. Only after passing all training would he have been allowed to fly, at least initially, as a copilot. Considerably more training and hours in type aircraft would have been required to become the pilot in command.
During his time as a POW, it is well documented that he had refused any type of preferential treatment when his father was named Commander of all US forces in Vietnam Theater. If he had wanted to use the “white naval privilege” card, he would have used it when he was a POW.
As I had previously posted, I still did not like most of his politics, particularly in regards to the Muslim brotherhood, immigration etc. I only hope that it was due to profound naivety.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
You actually believe that he got to where he was, irrespective of his being born into an influential and high ranking naval family?
His career reminds me of Bush president #2. Family got him to where he ended up.
Life, so far, has taught me that the world runs primarily on nepotism and cronyism, period.
Wellington says
Thank you, James, for your comment and for your service to our country. I keep reading both positive accounts and negative accounts of McCain’s military service and, frankly, I personally don’t know where the truth lies. Many (including veterans) admire McCain’s military record while others (including veterans) have no respect for it. I simply don’t have enough information either way and so on the matter of McCain’s military record, I remain to date uncommitted.
As to McCain’s political record, I think he was just one more typical DC politician who made politics a lifetime profession, which is not something the Founding Fathers envisioned or wanted. I have also read that he nixed opening POW files on several occasions and, again, I would like to know where the truth lies.
Enjoy reading your comments here at JW. Take care and, again, thank you for serving America.
gravenimage says
Thank you for the background on McCain, James Lincoln.
And–pro forma as this may sometimes sound now–thank you for your service.
Mac-101 says
James Lincoln,
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Several officers who were POWs with McCain are on record of him performing really badly while a POW. Some even accused him of treason. Many accounts are available on the internet and even a couple books. Are they just disgruntled Donkeys? I don’t know. This was definitely the scuttlebutt in the military as I served from 1971 to 2014. .
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As for flying I got 29 years on flight status as a US Army Rotary Wing Aviator flying in da dirt tree top. I got officially 5 thousand hours and another 2 thousand which was lost due to automation of records. I never scratch one to pilot error nor most of the thousand or so pilots I knew. In fact I know of no one who kept their ARMY wings after a FEB conducted after a Class A due to pilot error.
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I was a Bn Safety Officer and a Maintenance Test Pilot and sat on several FEBs. In the latter years several pilots kept their wings due to blade strikes and stuff like that because the cost of rotor blades and other components escalated to over a quarter million dollars, making most minor mishaps that a pilot was able to land safely a Class B mishap..
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To LEARN and progress endangering crewmen and people on the ground is ridiculous. At 33 million a pop for a stripped down CH-47F is NOT something one learns on in a haphazard way. I also spent years as an Instructor Pilot and would never have let anyone progress to Pilot status let alone Pilot in Command with the lack of fundamentals in flying which McCain is alleged to have possessed. In fact his risk takin and disregard of authority would have been more than enough to remove him from flight status altogether, which the US Army does on occasion no matter how skilled a pilot is.
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All that said, the thing I hate most about McCain is his total disregard for the POWs/MIAs he and Kerry left behind when they chaired the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs so Clinton could Normalize relations with Vietnam. I spent 13 years as an Airborne Range Infantryman and a Special Forces Weapons Leader followed with 29 years as an Army Aviator and have followed this my entire career. We left many of these people BEHIND and I hope he rots in HELL!
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Gone but NOT Forgotten!
James Lincoln says
Mac-101,
I appreciate your posting, I’m always open to learn something new.
I don’t know all the specifics of what had happened to CAPT McCain while he was a POW. From what I can gather from public records, in 1968 he was subjected to a program of severe torture. He was bound and beaten every two hours while he was also suffering from heat exhaustion and dysentery. Eventually McCain made an anti-US propaganda confession after he had reached his breaking point. After that, he had refused to sign additional statements and received additional beatings. Evidently this behavior constituted treason in the eyes of some.
First and foremost, I have the utmost honor and respect for anyone who has served 29 years on flight status as a U.S. Army Rotary Wing Aviator. Around 7,000 hours without a scratch on your aircraft, Bravo Zulu as they would say in the Navy.
I don’t know all the specifics regarding the flight mishaps that CAPT McCain was involved in. All I know is that I have served on dozens of Navy mishap boards and I have never witnessed unwarranted favorable treatment to an aviator. Whether or not CAPT McCain received any unwarranted favorable treatment because of his family connections, I cannot be certain. As you well know, in the Navy TACAIR community, envelopes are pushed to the max, especially during ACM training, strafing, bombing, high-speed low-level flights in mountainous terrain, etc., and expensive aircraft can be lost in the usual course of business. There is, of course, a fine line between being an aggressive pilot and pushing the envelope a little too far. It is possible that CAPT McCain had trouble knowing where that line was, but I am not sure.
If your facts are true about CAPT McCain regarding unreasonable risk-taking and disregard for authority at all levels, I will stand corrected.
Again, I have tried to separate his military service from his public service as a politician. I never liked his politics in general, and I personally put the highest priority on POWs/MIA’s.
Also, Mac-101, thank you for your tremendous service to your country as a US Army pilot, Airborne Range Infantryman, and Special Forces Weapons Leader.
I always like the spirited discussion that JW encourages. We can all learn from one another as there are some incredibly intelligent and insightful people who post to this website.
Mac-101 says
James, Thank you for your kind words. I hate to be ugly with the way I feel about McCain, but I am sure that it is true about McCain and Kerry abandoning our POW/MIAs in Vietnam. This is a sin that rates with Jesus’ disgust with those who would hurt a child. No punishment is to severe for a man to leave his buddy behind.
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Their Senate select Committee on POW/MIAs paved the way for the POW/MIAs to be forgotten and he stopped other investigations and treated the wives and mothers of the POW/MIAs extremely harshly which were recoded on several U-Tube videos.
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Please read the first link, I beg you. The second if you have time.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/john-mccain-make-believe-maverick-202004/
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There are many more, however I found these on an initial search and they pretty much mirror what I have been told for years.
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If you think it is credible, Then you MUST pass it on to others!
Totherightofthem says
He graduated like 394 out of 399 no way he would qualify to fly commercial. He did not qualify to fly for US his lineage did that. He ran a whorehouse in viet nam. He produced propaganda for them he wss a traitor
gravenimage says
He ran a whorehouse? That’s one I never heard.
Mac-101 says
Graven, That’s a new one on me also. He is claimed to ran with a bunch though. LOL!
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Behavior that would git a married man removed from the US Army in a heartbeat! Especially back in the early 70s, a private would be disciplined for adultery let alone what would happen to an officer or NCO!
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As the Rev Wright would say, That behavior would have to remain on the down low? Any press releases that say if Obama goes to church anymore, if so which one?
PRCS says
Totherightofthem,
“no way he would qualify to fly commercial”
Are you a pilot?
LoneWolf says
How much of what is in mccain”s records are factual? I don’t believe anything positive concerning traitor mccain.
livelyreggie says
Weren’t there many, many other men who did the same thing but died silent heroes? Why aren’t they lauded as much as McCain if not more? Many men were imprisoned. Many men were tortured. Were they not? Why was he so special?
TWG says
John McCain…. POHG (Piss On His Grave)
A traitor of the worst kind. Good riddance, “songbird”.
christianblood says
TWG
Well-said! McCain was a huge supporter of Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS and a big collaborator of the religious genocide against Christians in the ME!
REST IN WAR!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmBgFu2W0AAvLbG.jpg
Wellington says
McCain, for whom I have little to no respect, was stupidly a supporter of the MB but to claim that he was also a supporter of al-Qaeda and ISIS is exactly the kind of nonsense that you regularly spout, christianblood, which insures that no reasonable person can take you seriously.
christianblood says
Wellington
No big difference between Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda!
Al-Qaeda is just a further evolved Muslim Brotherhood offshoot! Besides, McCain was the biggest proponent US’s pernicious jihadist-supporting, regime-change agenda for decades! He truly had the blood of millions of Christians and other minorities in his hands!
gravenimage says
Of course, I expected christianblood to take Muslim claims that McCain was the “leader” and “Supreme Guide” of the Muslim Brotherhood at face value. He has been doing this sort of thing more and more lately.
Mac-101 says
I’d say you got two out of three correct. Benghazi was all about handing over Libya’s weapons to the Syrian Freedom Fighters who either were, or sold them to ISIS through Turkey I believe.. We made at least 2 or 3 air drops of supplies straight on top of ISIS to the detriment of our suppose allies.
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ISIS and Al Qaeda were enemies, Some say Benghazi was the two fightin over the weapons. I personally think it was staged by the State Department and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the US Ambassador to kidnap him and trade him out for the new Egyptian Brotherhood Government could git the Blind sheik out of a US Prison. Obama couldn’t swing it politically but could take the heat for a swap.
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It all went bad when those two heroes disobeyed orders and fought off the Islamist, killin somethin like 66 or 68. Once the Terrorist got into the compounds all worked up already and seen a couple of their buddies detained in the basement under interrogation/torture they went bananas and the kidnap hostage swap was no moe! That’s just my take with a few other low level operatives opinions I new. It explains why ALL the stand down orders to so many different response teams!
gravenimage says
I personally knew Chris Stevens when we were at UC Berkeley in the history department together.
Saying that he is responsible for his own murder, claiming he wanted to be kidnapped and was trying to free plotter of the first WTC attack Omar Abdel-Rahman is just calumny.
The idea that he wanted to free–and would risk his life to do so–someone who had issued Fatwas to kill Jews and Americans is especially outrageous.
What are you basing these assertions on, Mac?
christianblood says
Mac-101
(…Benghazi was all about handing over Libya’s weapons to the Syrian Freedom Fighters who either were, or sold them to ISIS through Turkey I believe.. We made at least 2 or 3 air drops of supplies straight on top of ISIS to the detriment of our suppose allies…)
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Exactly right! Even Trump is warning Syria and its allies not to attack the jihadist and Al-Qaeda stronghold of Idlib in Syria while he openly supports and directly involves the war crimes of the Saudis and other Sunnis, including ISIS and Al-Qaeda jihadists against Shiite minority in Yemen. More below:
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/09/03/world/middleeast/03reuters-mideast-crisis-syria-trump.html
Mac-101 says
If you recall the first thing the Muslim Brotherhood wanted was to have Obama release the Blind Sheikh. Benghazi was at a minimum a coordination of transferring weapons to the Syrian Freedom Fighters through Turkey. Can we agree with that? Also if I recall he was the CIA station chief in Libya as well as the Ambassador. Not real sure on that.
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What is so hard to believe that he planed on being snatched by the people he was doing he weapons transfer to. He supposedly was traveling ALL around Libya with minimum protection. So he must not of felt too threatened. I sure of would NOT. However I do conceded he did request more security and Obama blamed the RePugs for not funding it.
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As for his plan, I believed I implied the State Department with the CIA, Obama and Clinton planed it to assist the Muslim Brotherhood stay in power in Egypt and git WHO knows what else in return. There is NO way Obama could release the Blind Sheik without a major reason. Release of the Ambassador would be it.
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Stevens would be asked to go along and as a good Agent I’m sure he’d agree since these are the people he was assisting with the weapons transfer.
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Do we agree that the Contract Heroes disobeyed orders and went to the site and kick @55? Was there someone, people in the basement bein interrogated/held? Could a relatively peaceful staged kidnapin turn into a major engagement under these conditions?
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As I said; That’s just my take with a few other low level operatives operatives I knew. It explains why ALL the stand down orders to so many different response teams!
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Why else was three different rescue forces told to stand down and their commanding officers relieved? One in Italy, Spain and Africa?
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Lastly, do you NOT see our government constantly supporting Jihadist/Fundamentalist against our own self interest? Tell me how it is in the US’s interest to support a Syrian Free Army for years now when it is evident that they are nothing but Sunni Terrorist?
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in fact explain to me how anyone with half a brain cell would consider the Arab Spring would be beneficial to a stable ME and contribute to Israel’s security?
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Things do not just happen by chance. What is your opinion on Benghazi? Was it ALL over a 10 minute play on the internet that 10 people saw before it went down? Or something else?
Wellington says
Gravenimage: I know it is personal for you respecting Ambassador Stevens. I respect this and I wanted you to know I respect this.
Moreover, the Obama Administration personnel to this day continue to lie about what happened in Benghazi—Obama himself, Susan Rice, et al., and this I find unconscionable almost beyond measurement.
christianblood says
Mac-101 posted
(…do you NOT see our government constantly supporting Jihadist/Fundamentalist against our own self interest? Tell me how it is in the US’s interest to support a Syrian Free Army for years now when it is evident that they are nothing but Sunni Terrorist?…)
Great points! Trump has just warned the Syrian army and its allies not to attack the Al-Qaeda and other jihadists concentrated in Idlib Syria. More of this below:
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/09/03/world/middleeast/03reuters-mideast-crisis-syria-trump.html
Mac-101 says
Trump initially wanted better relations with Russia and was willin to call it quits with Syria. For this reversal it means to me that the Globalist definitely put he pressure on him to buckle. I see no benefit in overthrowing Assad. As far as local strongmen he is as good as it gits. I’m sure the replacement will be much worse.
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Surely this is NOT about a putting a pipeline from SA and Qatar thru Syria to Europe. If so I’m sure enough money and an offer he couldn’t refuse would have worked.
PRCS says
How the F4 and the A-4s were parked is what puts the “wet start” conspiracy theory to rest.
And for a “hot dog” pilot to intentionally do that on an aircraft carrier flight deck–with all the folks working up there–would unnecessarily endanger them.
Mac-101 says
The Rolling Stone account says he was immediately reassigned to another carrier. People I have talked to in the distant past says the crew wanted to kill him! And how do we know that is how they were parked if the investigation was whitewashed to protect White Naval Privilege?
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The only thing I really caer about tough is his abandoning hundreds of POW/MIA with John Kerry wit their Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs findings.
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As for reports, Is Benghazi still reported as cause by a spontaneous demonstration over a ten minute movie that had only 10 hits on it prior to the violence? Did the loser producer ever git out of jail yet?
gravenimage says
Mac wrote:
If you recall the first thing the Muslim Brotherhood wanted was to have Obama release the Blind Sheikh. Benghazi was at a minimum a coordination of transferring weapons to the Syrian Freedom Fighters through Turkey. Can we agree with that? Also if I recall he was the CIA station chief in Libya as well as the Ambassador. Not real sure on that.
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Yes, the Muslim Brotherhood wanted the release of the Blind Sheikh, and yes, Libya–especially eastern Libya–had long been a site for all sorts of Jihad weapons dealings.
But because these things are true does not mean that the US Ambassador approved, nor that he was involved in this.
Were this the case, then I would have to be a violent gangbanger involved in drive-by shootings because I live in a city where this goes on. I assure you I am not.
And no, the US Ambassador was not the CIA station chief. Why would he be, when there were actual CIA agents there? The CIA station was about a mile away from the US Consulate, Two CIA contractors were killed in the first attack, which was about six hours before the attack on the US diplomatic compound.
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What is so hard to believe that he planed on being snatched by the people he was doing he weapons transfer to.
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The US under Obama apparently did not voice objections when it learned that Qatar supplying arms to Libyan rebels. They didn’t approve, either.
It’s a huge–and grotesque–jump from that to the claim that the US Ambassador was directly involved in weapons transfers to Jihad terrorists.
And the idea that even *actual* gun runners want to be kidnapped by the terrorists they are dealing with, held under grim circumstances for months or years, and possibly tortured or killed by their captors is just bizarre.
Where has there *ever* been such a reported case?
And Stevens would have put not only himself at risk, but also any of his staff who might act to protect him.
And, further, your claiming that he did so because he fervently wanted a terrorist released–someone who had plotted Jihad terror and issued Fatwas for the mass murder of Americans and Jews is just baseless calumny.
And what are the chances that such a plot would work, even if Chris Stevens was so evil? We do not typically have a policy of releasing terrorists in prisoner swaps. I know that Obama *did* do this to retrieve the appalling traitor Bowe Bergdahl, but this is not usual US policy at all. Chances are, in fact, that the Blind Sheikh would not be released in any case.
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He supposedly was traveling ALL around Libya with minimum protection. So he must not of felt too threatened. I sure of would NOT.
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Wait–so *that’s* your proof that Stevens was plotting to get himself kidnapped by Jihadists? It also makes no sense, even in this wonky context–surely he would not want to be kidnapped by some random terrorists, but only those who wanted to swap him for the Blind Sheikh? What if he had instead just been assassinated or kidnapped for ransom?
Besides, there is a long tradition of diplomatic staff using minimum security even on dangerous postings, so that they seem approachable by the natives of the country in which they are serving the interests of their own.
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However I do conceded he did request more security and Obama blamed the RePugs for not funding it.
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Doesn’t this rather undercut the implication that Stevens did not care about security because he wanted to be kidnapped?
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As for his plan, I believed I implied the State Department with the CIA, Obama and Clinton planed it to assist the Muslim Brotherhood stay in power in Egypt and git WHO knows what else in return. There is NO way Obama could release the Blind Sheik without a major reason. Release of the Ambassador would be it.
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This is the typical sort of thing one finds when researching this conspiracy theory:
“‘Given what we know now, it is not out of the realm of possibility that the terrorist attack on Benghazi could have been a kidnapping attempt aimed at releasing the Blind Sheik,’ Fitton said.
He noted, however, there is ‘no evidence’ that the Obama administration may have been complicit in any kidnapping plot related to the Benghazi attack”.
https://www.wnd.com/2015/01/benghazi-part-of-obama-plot-to-free-blind-sheik/
In other words, there is no basis for these claims.
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Stevens would be asked to go along and as a good Agent I’m sure he’d agree since these are the people he was assisting with the weapons transfer.
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Uh huh–except there is no indication that he was ever involved in any such transfers–or that any Americans were. Nor it there any indication that it would be the top priority for Libyan Jihadists to have the Blind Sheikh released.
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Do we agree that the Contract Heroes disobeyed orders and went to the site and kick @55? Was there someone, people in the basement bein interrogated/held? Could a relatively peaceful staged kidnapin turn into a major engagement under these conditions?
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I don’t think there is any reason to think that the US Consulate was being used to hold and interrogate prisoners. I doubt this was happening at all–but if it was, surely it would be the CIA involved and not civilian diplomatic staff? Do you have *any* proof that US diplomatic missions are used for such purposes?
The implication that the Ambassador would be unaware of such goings on in his own Consulate also makes no sense.
And this is blaming the poor victim *twice*–first, for supposedly plotting his own kidnapping in order to free a Jihad terrorist; then, so enraging those terrorist kidnappers by torturing people in his basement that they abandoned the plot and murdered him instead.
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As I said; That’s just my take with a few other low level operatives operatives I knew. It explains why ALL the stand down orders to so many different response teams!
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You still have not said what you base any of these wild imaginings on.
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Why else was three different rescue forces told to stand down and their commanding officers relieved? One in Italy, Spain and Africa?
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There is *no* doubt that numerous people up and down the chain of command shamefully failed to understand the danger in Benghazi. But no American ambassador had been killed in the line of duty for almost forty years at that point–even the terrible hostage-taking by the Mullahs did not result in deaths.
I think it was far more likely that these Infidels simply failed to grasp the truth about the depth of Muslim savagery–which we see everyday–than that there was a great conspiracy by the victim to free Jihadists.
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Lastly, do you NOT see our government constantly supporting Jihadist/Fundamentalist against our own self interest? Tell me how it is in the US’s interest to support a Syrian Free Army for years now when it is evident that they are nothing but Sunni Terrorist?
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in fact explain to me how anyone with half a brain cell would consider the Arab Spring would be beneficial to a stable ME and contribute to Israel’s security?
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Alas, many people in the West had *no clue* about what the “Arab Spring” really was–especially back in 2012. Many otherwise intelligent people assumed that if those in the region were opposing the local tyrants–and tyrants they were, including Ghaddafi himself, who was the Jihadist behind the terrible Lockerbie terror attack–then they must ergo be freedom fighters.
Of course, most Anti-Jihadists understood that that this was not the case–but not even all of those.
I remember many, many posters even here at Jihad Watch–mostly otherwise savvy people–who held out great hopes for the “Arab Spring” and considered it overly cynical to dismiss this being a huge chance for peace.
And that was here–I heard lots of ordinary people who were ecstatic over the promise of the “Arab Spring”, not realizing that this was mostly just a regional assertion of Sunni Islamist power.
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Things do not just happen by chance. What is your opinion on Benghazi? Was it ALL over a 10 minute play on the internet that 10 people saw before it went down? Or something else?
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I think it was a Jihad terror, rather than an orchestrated kidnapping gone wrong. The CIA compound was attacked first, then the diplomatic mission.
American interests have been targets in Dar-al-Islam for decades, Besides the Iran Hostage Crisis in Iran in 1979, remember the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings? The Khobar Towers bombing in 1996? the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam? There are others.
This was more of the same. I don’t know which Jihad terror group specifically was responsible–there were and are dozens of them in eastern Libya. All I know is that this was not due to anger over the “Innocence of Muslims” film trailer–a ridiculous claim.
This being a kidnapping plot by the victim gone wrong seems–with all respect–to be equally implausible.
StellaSaidSo says
As far as I know, Mac, the liars have never withdrawn their ridiculous accusations regarding the YouTube video. The film-maker was jailed on some pretext or other, and has since vanished from sight.
I agree that McCain’s abandonment of hundreds of POW/MIA’s is enough to condemn him as a traitor, never mind his other nefarious deeds.
BTW. did you know that, among the documents stored in the Murrah Building were the medical records of the victims of Gulf War Syndrome?
StellaSaidSo says
Mac, Ambassador Stevens repeatedly requested help, which was denied. It has been suggested that the ambassador was aware of Obama’s weapons trafficking, and was about to blow the whistle on it. This would seem to be a plausible motive to deny assistance, and, effectively, neutralise a threat.
D’ya think Obama and Hillary might know the whereabouts of Libya’s gold reserves?
gravenimage says
And Mac, you are right that most of the other players in the region are even worse than Assad. I (very guardedly) support his staying in power.
gravenimage says
Wellington wrote:
Gravenimage: I know it is personal for you respecting Ambassador Stevens. I respect this and I wanted you to know I respect this.
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Thank you so much, Wellington. Of course, I had not been in touch with Chris Stevens for almost thirty years before his terrible murder. No falling out–we just lost touch after college, as so often happens.
I certainly know that a lot can change in thirty years, nor would I–as you know–make concrete assumptions about someone just because they seemed like a nice guy.
That being said, he was an entirely decent person. He clearly loved America, in a time and place where it was terribly unfashionable to make such an admission. And he had a quite a number of Jewish friends.
That he would later risk his life in order free a terrorist bent on slaughtering Americans and Jews seems *highly* unlikely to me.
This does not mean that I necessarily would have agreed with all of his political opinions over the past couple of decades–maybe, maybe not–but it does mean that I am not apt to accept a conspiracy theory where he plots with Jihadists in order to free a terrorist bent on mass murdering his own people–not without some serious proof, certainly.
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Moreover, the Obama Administration personnel to this day continue to lie about what happened in Benghazi—Obama himself, Susan Rice, et al., and this I find unconscionable almost beyond measurement.
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Agreed–claiming that this was about the “Innocence of Muslims” trailer is ludicrous. Nor, of course, would this have been a moral excuse for murdering American diplomatic staff, in any case.
There is, for instance, there is quite a bit of work by some French and German “artists” that I find quite offensive. That does not mean that I ever thought an appropriate response to this would be to attack the French or German Consulates here and murder their diplomatic staff. Grotesque.
And the Obama administration was, at the very least, remiss in not upping the security at Benghazi after repeated requests that they do so. In fact, even before the attacks things seemed dire enough there to have all staff pull back to the (comparative) safety of Tripoli.
christianblood says
Mac-101
(..Trump initially wanted better relations with Russia and was willin to call it quits with Syria. For this reversal it means to me that the Globalist definitely put he pressure on him to buckle..)
+1
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Mac & christianblood, Trump knows he can’t win all the time. Sometimes it is prudent to back off, and live to fight another day.
Mac-101 says
Graven, please. I did NOT say This is what happened. Just perhaps a scenario explaining it. I have read and heard several times that Stevens was an Agency assets. I do NOT know. I still think it is a plausible explanation. I know more know what the Truth is than a mushroom. I am feed poop all day and kept in the dark. I merely try to put the dots together to see the Light!
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Stella had another more likely simpler scenario. That Stevens was goin to blow the whistle on the arms transfers to Turkey to the Syrian Free Army and he was purposefully set up with a “Spontaneous Demonstration” who’s protestors took mortars and machine guns to. This is a simpler explanation which is most likely more plausible than mine.
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I can definitely say what da gubermint told us about this is a lie!
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I was trained in collecting small seemingly irrelevant info on the battlefield, or military assistance missions, and attempting to analysis them for significance, and passin the intel up the chain, whether it appears to be significant or not so others with moe pieces can come up with a logical scenario.
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Please remember Graven, Few important things are as they appear, and MOST Everything of any importance happens for a reason. It may takes years to figure it out, but it does have a reason for someone!
Carolyne says
John McCain once said, and I heard him say it, that the Syrian rebels were not terrorists. He said that he had had lunch with them and they told him so. Believe it or not. I heard him say it.
gravenimage says
Thank you so much for your reply, Mac.
As for Stella’s suggested scenario, I do not know whether this was specifically the case or not. Certainly, it seems more in keeping with what I know of Chris Steven’s character, so it is potentially plausible.
Mac-101 says
Your welcome. With the Orders to stand down, which appear WERE given. I figured a hostage swap was THEIR plan. Even I didn’t consider that THEY, the Deep State, would want to kill the Ambassador to silence him. However that is a very plausible scenario.
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So knowin nothin more than the compound was under attack for somethinin like 10 + hours, and three separate reaction forces were 2 to 3 hours away. Their commanders ALL relieved by Obama afterwards for wanting to break the orders to stand down, It is hard NOT to assume that help was NOT supposed to be given by the US Authorities. We agree?
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Why I can only guess. I try to keep an open mind and listen to ALL possibilities. Most likely the Truth will NOT be known on this side of the RIVER!
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Peace be with ya Sista!
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PS: As I understand it the FBI was well aware of the plot to kill Spencer and Gellar but made no attempts to keep them safe. If it wasn’t for their own hired private security they would be dead with FBI Complicity. Is that NOT crazy and support crazy Conspiracy Theories?
gravenimage says
Mac, I still don’t know everything that happened in Garland–but the implications are indeed very troubling.
Mac-101 says
Graven, the only conclusion that I can come up with is our entire Justice system, including the Department Of Justice, Courts and FBI has been corrupted!
KWJ says
People a year or so ago were sending a photo around with McCain overseas and al-Baghdadi, ISIS’s leader was in the group photo. Obama and Hillary supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Why they wait until McCain is dead to mention this, I don’t know but it’s been obvious a whole lot of Republicans are as traitorous as Democrats.
I never liked McCain, O didn’t vote for him and his dimwit running mate, but in hindsight I voted for two other traitors. Who real patriots are, I don’t know anymore. Michelle Bachman has often been flaky and weird, but she was right on this one which of course is obvious looking at the Muslim Brotherhood’s history, goals, what Egyptians say, the MB’s heavy dose of taqiyya, dissimulation and ambiguous words. To call Michelle Islamophobic for staying the obvious about the MB shows how scummy McCain could be. Liberals got on his case about his saying “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” though they complain about some of Trump’s talk of “toughness.”
There is no reason for any politician not to understand the threat of all Islamic groups thus they are working against the US and our future and freedoms and may be beholden or scared of several people. Anyone who supports the Muslim Brotherhood, lets the ISNA and all these other Islamic groups operate are as traitorous and slaves of Saudis (as Saudis have called them).
We have so much rot in our government and these young ones coming in appear to be clueless. If part of your campaign platform is to abolish ICE which is trendy at the moment, that’s pretty pathetic. Sure, let more narco-terrorists freely operate back and forth across our borders while ISIS is in Mexico. These folks have a death wish it seems.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
He was a real hero alright, flying an A4 dive bomber at low altitude over downtown Hanoi, and then the years spent in that great city’s Hilton. A true hero.
But it was all downhill from there. His dalliance with the Mo-Bro-Hood puts him right there with Barack and Hillary and Big John and all the other globo-socialists. It’s good to see him no longer in the Senate.
Mac-101 says
But he killed 134 sailors on the Forestall and injured 166 more by showin off, performin dangerous, unauthorized HOT/WET Starts shootin flames out of the rear of his Aircraft. It set off a missile on a fighter on the deck and darned near took the carrier down.
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His “White NAVAL Privilege” got him a medal for it instead of sendin him to the brig for 30 years. It also got him through Annapolis and flight school even allowing him to become an ACE at takin down AMERICAN aircraft. I believe he lost 5 of them, maybe more.
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I even read that his low altitude pass was unauthorized and would have got anyone else court martialed! When one flies multimillion dollar war planes their is a risk management procedures one must follow exposing the aircraft and crew/passengers to an acceptable level of risk.
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Pig Farmer, please take this Cow Farmer request and read the two links I posted below. McCain was the epitome of a dirty Globalist Traitorist Elite Scumbag. Thanks!
Garfield says
Mcaine was a heinous POS.
Not a hero.
I hope Kerry and the rest of them are exposed for what they are too.
Mac-101 says
Keep up the pressure Bro! Don’t forgit the Swift Boat Crew either for Kerry. All opportunist SCUM who need called out as often as possible!
PRCS says
Mac,
While there are many reasons to dislike McCain, he did not cause the U.S.S. Forrestal fire.
An electrical fault in the F-4 caused the Zuni to fire.
Mac-101 says
For years people who were on the Forestall have been sayin it was due to his hot start and it was ALL on a big cover-up! McCain has been in the field of vision to military personnel since his capture. I’ve been hearing stories on him since the early 70s. He rated the same respect that Jane Fonda got from Service people!
PRCS says
People say things. A lot of things.
But, McCain didn’t cause that conflagration in Forrestal.
The F-4 was parked on the aft starboard side with its nose pointing towards the A-4s, which were parked on the port side, with their tails pointing out to sea–away from the F-4. If a J-52 engine is actually capable of a “wet start”, the fireball would also have been directed outboard–away from the F-4.
Mac-101 says
I KNOW hot/wet starts were easy to do on jet turbine helicopter engines and produced massive flames. I have heard this was the case here. How the Aircraft was parked I do not know or care. I do know people who served on the ship claim this is the case of what happened and hatin him still.
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I do know McCain and Kerry abandoned our POW/MIAs in Vietnam and I will never forgive him for that! Did you check out my two above links?
PRCS says
How the F4 and the A-4s were parked is what puts the “wet start” conspiracy theory to rest.
And for a “hot dog” pilot to intentionally do that on an aircraft carrier flight deck–with all the folks working up there–would unnecessarily endanger them.
gravenimage says
Agreed, PRCS.
Mac-101 says
Please read the following two links. One from 2008, the other 2010. The go into what a disgustin sick scumbag McCain was. His biggest offense was with John Fn Kerry when they abandoned hundreds of POWs in Vietnam. I served from 1971 to t2014 and followed this closely.
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Gone but NOT Forgotten!
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/john-mccain-make-believe-maverick-202004/
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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
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In addition to killin more sailors in a single incidence than any other person since WWII; who would have ever thought he would go on and with Hillary and arm ISIS?
TWG says
Mac 101
Thank You for those links. I had only a slight recollection of reading about those events several years ago.
Mac-101 says
Your welcome. There are hundreds on the internet. I just chose those two out of the first 10 articles I read because they pretty much summed up ALL I head and read about McCain for around 40 years.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
He was a real hero alright, flying an A4 dive bomber at low altitude over downtown Hanoi, and then the years spent in that great city’s Hilton. A true hero.
But it was all downhill from there. His dalliance with the Mo-Bro-Hood puts him right there with Barack and Hillary and Big John and all the other globo-socialists. It’s good to see him out of the Senate.
Mac-101 says
Please look up Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAS and see how his bud, Horse face Big John Fn Kerry and him sold out Hundreds of American Servicemen from not only Vietnam but Korea and the Soviet Union who were “Liberated” from Nazi POW camps by the Russians.
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McCain was Mean, Spiteful, EVIL and a Traitor. Satan be a waitin for him!
Carolyne says
Its good to see him off this planet.
Steve Anderson says
Wow I didn’t know this Robert, the amount of Traitors we have around us in very high & powerful positions is staggering it’s a good job at least this one is dead and gone where he belongs, I understand that you will be speaking via video link at Anne Marie waters conference – I call her Britain’s Wonder Woman, My Wife & I can’t attend this event but hopefully the next . Best regards Steve. Steve Anderson ?
Wellington says
Utterly disgraceful on McCain’s part. Damn stupid too. This serves as just one more reason why I will not miss this man.
Indiana Tom says
Well, this article pretty much sums up my attitude towards Crash McCain and his daughter did not roll far from the tree.
Good old Crash was part of the NWO along with the other NeoCons and RINOs.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
duh swami says
What???Saint John, leader of the MB? Who wooda thot it?
Phil Copson says
“McCain Has Had His Chips”….you say ?
Certainly “oven ready” by the end, whichever way you slice it….
duh swami says
What??? Saint John? Say it ain’t true Bill…Who wooda thought it…
Mac-101 says
So since McCain was the Godfather of the Muslim Brotherhood does that make Huma the Godmother of the Muslim Brotherhood or SistaHood? Does Huma and Clinton still have THEIR Clearances?
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If this doesn’t prove the existence of the Deep Sate and the Globalist plans of the NWO what does?
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Lydia Church says
Wow!
Truly sad that he took such a downturn!
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boakai ngombu says
OT:
perhaps NOW Congress may pass the declaration (U.S. Ikhwan being not desirable) that MB is a jihadist organization and all organization under its umbrella are suspect of waging jihad and subject to expulsion.
Mac-101 says
Don’t hold your breath!
michael says
Benedict Arnold was an American war hero too…. up until a certain point that is.
Ren says
I knew McCain is not the heros the media claim him to be.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Take a look at the photo heading this article. It is commonly believed that the second person from the left, skulking in the background, is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
Lu says
Yes … that’s what occurred to me immediately when I looked at the pic. Thanks for bring this up!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Arms giant Lockheed Martin’s tribute to John McCain goes down… badly”
https://www.rt.com/usa/436904-lockheed-martin-mccain-eulogy/
pennant8 says
I knew about John Brennan being the one who got the purge of counterterrorism manuals going in response from a demand from Muslim Brotherhood affiliates, with Robert Mueller stepping to do his part as well. I knew about the attacks on Michele Bachmann’s attempt to call attention to this treasonous act, but I didn’t know about John McCain’s role in this. BTW, wasn’t it McCain who was selected by the “dossier” plotters to be courier who delivered it to the FBI. I doubt if he was randomly selected.
Mac-101 says
Dat’s what THEY say!
Stacy Girl says
Recall how the Keating 5’s only republican had to “suspend” his lame presidential campaign to fix the economy and blamed Sarah Palin after losing. The press’ enemy (McCain) of their true enemy (Trump) is their friend, for this week anyway.
Mac-101 says
Since you mentioned the Keating 5 and the one RePug member McCain. It was linked to the Lincoln Savings and Loan collapse which I believe I heard was linked to the major Pedo Scandal at Boys Town? Anyone got any info on this?
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Demand the CONTENTS of Podesta’s emails are investigated and NOT just who phished him!
gravenimage says
Egyptian media: John McCain was the “Godfather,” “leader,” and “real Supreme Guide” of the Muslim Brotherhood
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I’m sorry–this is just another claim from obfuscating Mohammedans that it is actually Infidels who are waging violent Jihad, not Muslims. The Muslim Brotherhood much predates John McCain, and is a purely Islamic outfit, formed to impose Islam around the world.
It is also–notably–a rival of the current regime in Egypt, which ousted the Muslim Brotherhood there.
There is no doubt that McCain could be naive about Muslims–he often foolishly assumed that if some group was fighting tyranny, that this must ergo mean that they themselves were freedom fighters–when often there are no good guys in these internecine Muslim fights.
It is a long way from this sort of foolishness, though, to his being the “leader” and “Supreme Guide” of the premier Islamist group of the modern era.
Muslims seldom blame Islam in these cases–so much better to blame the “filthy Kufar”. If they can’t blame the Joooooos, an American war hero will do.
Wellington says
I agree with your overall take, gravenimage, on Egypt’s excoriation of McCain. After all, Muslims of all kinds of stripes tend to exaggerate, if not distort, the truth. It is their wont.
But McCain’s excoriation of Congresswoman Michele Bachmann when she, quite understandably, wanted a far greater examination of the Muslim Brotherhood, calling it out, to her credit, for the execrable organization which it is, simply cannot be defended. What McCain said about Bachmann is disgusting and indicative of a foolish person who when asked about Islam’s menace to freedom, replied, “Oh, it’s the Islam….”
I submit (not meant in an Islamic way) that McCain not only died a fool about Islam but actually an unknowing facilitator of it. Even assuming his war record is sterling (which even many veterans doubt), his record on Islam, his understanding of this longest-lived evil ideology of all time, is absolutely indefensible. McCain did no good for America, for the West, for freedom, where the preservation of liberty is concerned. If truth prevails (a big “if”), this should read as his epitaph.
P.S. McCain’s funeral, which turned into a Trump bashing, was a disgusting sight to see. Trump, with all his faults, has done more for the cause of freedom (examples being pulling out of the putrid Iran nuclear deal, moving the American embassy to Jerusalem, taking head-on the tyrannical state which is North Korea, and forcing parasitical NATO members to pay up) than McCain ever did. Not even a close call.
gravenimage says
Wellington, I agree that McCain’s treatment of Representative Michele Bachmann was shameful.
That being said–and I did indeed say so at the time–it is a great leap from this to Muslim claims that McCain is actually the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood.
And while I was actually quite moved by Joe Biden’s eulogy of John McCain (though I am hardly an unalloyed fan of Biden himself), I consider the shots taken at Trump at the funeral to be grotesquely inappropriate.
Wellington says
Agreed on all points, gravenimage.
Terry Gain says
Good list of Trump’s excellent policies. I would add reducing aid to Pakistan and the so-called Palestinians.
As for McCain’s politics his choice of pallbearers is the measure of his loyalties.
And his treatment of Palin, his first wife, and what seems like the longest funeral in American history is the measure of this man.
I am heartened that he won’t be around to vote against Kavanaugh.
Kathy says
In response to the death of McCain, all I can say is, good riddance to bad rubbish. He was a small and utterly disgraceful chapter in American history.
Norman Moffatt says
Second from the left in the photo is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi the head of the Islamic State or ISIS
Charles says
I believe that the meeting in May of 2013 with members of ISIS, (“freedom fighters” as McCain called them) was inadvertent. McCain had not vetted these attendees in any way and presumed the simple minded media narrative that they were “freedom fighters” intent on overthrowing an evil, two dimensional dictator. McCain may have served his country in the military, but he was dangerously naive and vindictive as a politician.
gravenimage says
Agreed. As I have said before, I think that so many naive Westerners–Americans especially, I am sad to say–see someone opposing a tyrant and make the often foolish assumption that this must ergo mean that they are fighting for freedom.
Christopher says
Well. I did not read all the comments in my haste to point out the terrifying possibility that mccain is a muslim.
Ann says
I respect the recently dead. And I’m not jealous of his big funeral “worshipful’ is silly. You worship Trump no one has ever worshiped McCain. If he were worshiped like Trump or Obama we’d never have had Obama. So don’t know why, I’m joining you in writing this. But how did this site forget the million he took from Saudi Arabia? And his support for tor the Muslim Brotherhood late in life, is a case for term limits. Why do people have to serve for decades? Eventually they figure out how to use the office to get very rich.
gravenimage says
Who worships Trump?
gravenimage says
With the greatest respect to everyone posting above, I think we should always take Muslim claims that it is actually the ‘filthy Infidels’ who are waging violent Jihad with a *very* large grain of salt.
StellaSaidSo says
Salt aside, it is a fact that Muslims genuinely believe that anyone who does not subscribe to their vile ideology is actually waging jihad against them.
gravenimage says
Not Jihad, perhaps, but certainly war, Stella. And Muslims believe this even where the resistance against submission to Islam is entirely non-violent.
StellaSaidSo says
‘And Muslims believe this even where the resistance…is non-violent.’
Indeed they do. As I said above, they consider that anyone who does not subscribe to their ideology is an enemy. War is jihad, jihad is war. What YOU choose to call it is hardly the point. In effect, it’s all the same to the devout Mohammedan.
Ginny says
Locally in his home
State, McCain was also no angel. Dave Hodges of “The Common Sense Show” has had some run ins with him on government land grabbing for profit. And Pete Santilli recently took part in a protest at McCains office about his bad treatment of vets. Can’t remember details, but seems McCain was basically self-serving scum. Glad this dog finally met his day!
Ginny says
A ps on Stevens and Benghazi: My informed take on that was that Stevens was intending to rat on his higher ups because he was aware not only of the weapons transfers, but also of human trafficking (children). That went too far for him. Hillary and Obama saw to it that he kept his mouth shut. The kidnapping, like the film, was just a smoke screen.
StellaSaidSo says
I have reached the same conclusion, Ginny. Stevens had rumbled Obama’s and Hillary’s racket. Like dozens of others who wanted the truth about Obama and the Clintons to be known, he had to be silenced.
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Dakota says
Individuals going to the booth are offered a flipbook.
gerard says
Methinks the real reason for Media/Establishment hype of McCain is that he was anti-Trump.
Terry Gain says
McCain was the Democrat Party’s best friend. I can’t recall McCain criticizing Obama/Clinton for the Benghazi debacle or the official lies used to cover it up.
Mac-101 says
Good point! I don’t have time to research this now. Has anyone info to support or refute this?
Mac-101 says
Exactly!
gravenimage says
Terry, for what it’s worth, McCain did criticize Obama and Clinton for just that:
“John McCain calls Benghazi ‘a cover-up'”
“https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2013/05/john-mccain-calls-benghazi-a-cover-up-163756
Mac-101 says
Thanks Graven.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Mac.
duh swami says
It is pointless to talk about Saint John,,,Instead you should pray to him to forgive your sins…Saint John is worth more dead than he ever was when he was alive…
vlparker says
While I can’t separate fact from fiction about McCain’s military career, judging by his actions afterwards I tend to believe this guy was a total screw-up whose “hero” status was mostly self promotion.
I cannot think of one positive adjective to describe McCain over the last 30 years. Bitter, angry, petty, vindictive, disingenuous and self-aggrandizing are the adjectives that come to mind. Loyal and patriotic just don’t seem to fit his behavior as a politician. And he never saw a military intervention that he didn’t like. But the clinchers for me that McCain was an utterly despicable man are his photo op above with terrorists, his defense of the muslim brotherhood and criticism of Michelle Bachmann, and his opposition to opening up the POW records. None of those acts are defensible, in fact the first two are traitorous.
I also believe McCain, like Hillary, thought he was entitled to be president. Which makes is so delicious that he didn’t make it and Trump did.
Don’t know if it’s true, but I read that the guy in the background of the above photo behind McCain’s right shoulder is Abu Bakr al Baghdadi himself. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Chand says
Woah! I just got a case of goose bumps on my arms. Yeah, that guy just could be Baghdadi!! HOLY MOSES!
Got to be a mistake though………….can’t be……..
vlparker says
Sure looks like him.
https://therinjfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-rinj-foundation-wanted-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi.png
vlparker says
Here’s a better view. if that ain’t Baghdadi it’s his twin.
https://www.gingpac.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/McCainSyria2.jpg
vlparker says
Here’s a better view. if that ain’t Baghdadi it’s his twin.
https://www.gingpac.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/McCainSyria2.jpg
gravenimage says
This guy was no innocent–likely a member of the “Free Syrian Army”–but was not Al Baghdadi:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-meets-isis-leader/
Mac-101 says
Gravin, I do not know either way but I do know Snopes is compromised and I beg you NOT to use it as a final determination of the truth!
gravenimage says
Mac, you will find that while many of the conclusions reached at Snopes are often slanted, that the facts themselves are quite solid so far as I have seen.
vlparker says
I don’t believe a word that comes out of snopes. That notwithstanding, upon close examination it does look like a different man. Al-Baghdadi’s face looks a little fleshier than the man in the McCain picture. They do look a lot alike, though.
Mac-101 says
A good facial recognition program should be able to make a positive determination either way!
Terry Gain says
Stella Said So
… Rockefeller and the NWO.
Thanks for the laugh.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rockefeller_conspiracy_theories
StellaSaidSo says
Obviously, Terry Gain, you know nothing of the Rockefellers and their history, and are too damn lazy to find out. Take the time to read the words of the man himself, and those of his fellow globalists. If that isn’t too complicated a task for you. Anyone who relies on a site like the one you quoted isn’t terribly interested in serious research.
Mike Ramirez says
FYI
McCain, Boehner, Rubio, Rodgers, OK With Muslim Brotherhood
https://youtu.be/p2p0yLpuic0
Related: Reference Michele Bachmann Correspondence
https://archive.org/stream/402379-rep-michele-bachmann-correspondence/402379-rep-michele-bachmann-correspondence_djvu.txt
Shawn Fahrer says
This article is total BS for one main reason: the Muslim Bortherhood (which as early as 1954 was involved in an assassination attempt on then Egyptian President — and General– Gamel Abdel Nasser) PRECEDES John McCain himself as a political force in the US or the world. As a result, he COULD NOT have been the “Godfather” of the Muslim Brotherhood. A covert supporter, perhaps, but not the “Godfather”, of the Muslim Brotherhood. Let’s get our history straight, here…. And besides, it might be conceivable that Egypt, the Middle East AND THE WORLD would have been better off having Egypt being run by the Muslim Brotherhood as early as the 1950s, assuming the plot on Nasser had been successful and they would have seized power there (they finally won their way to this quest for a short time until the Egyptian military, presumably at the behest of Israel, overthrew the DEMOCRATICALLY elected Muslim Brotherhood government). Egypt, in the mid 1950s, could have been able to stem the expansionist tide (see the results of the 1967 War for such expansion!) of the new Jewish State of Israel which had been established less than 10 years before in what was formerly British occupied PALESTINE….
gravenimage says
Yes–the Muslim Brotherhood dates to the 1920s, and was founded by Hassan al-Banna.
Mary says
Dad was a Purple heart recipient 3x over and was a true patriot! McCain was NO HERO! He was a coward that worked against the vote to get rid of Obamacare! That to me makes him an enemy! Dad’s thoughts were the fact that he got captured and did not perish fighting until his last breathe makes him less then a hero! Then there was the comments against Bachmann regarding being Islamaphobic!
That comment alone makes him beyond questionable! Good riddance to McCain!
yohanan says
MEMRI has translated subtitles of Egyptian TV commentator takting that line on McCain. He mistook MB as democractic possibility…
https://www.memri.org/tv/egyptian-tv-host-sayyed-ali-john-mccain-orchestrated-terror-chaos-world-better-off
Antoher big mistake – McCain’s team “threw long” and took Sarah Palin on his ticket, and an ideal VP insurance policy. But she turned away more voters than attracted.
Mac-101 says
I doubt that. Most people I know who voted for McCain did so because of Palin and wish she led the ticket.