Good luck with that. Look how well a similar call is working out in France. There will never be a German Islam or a French Islam, but there may well be an Islamic Germany and an Islamic France. And no, Ankara will not be pleased, and will soon be back around with new threats and demands. And Merkel will probably give in to all of them.
“We need a ‘German Islam,’ says interior ministry,” by Esther King, Politico, September 3, 2018 (thanks to Lookmann):
Germany will tighten control over foreign influence of its Muslim community, State Secretary for the Interior Ministry Markus Kerber said Monday, after a week of violent far-right clashes in eastern Germany.
“We have watched foreign forces dictate to German Muslims how to practice their religion for far too long,” Kerber told Tagesspiegel in an interview published Monday. “And because they also have their home here, we will now lend them more support in strengthening their self-confidence.”
“We want to create more discussion formats for German Muslims,” Kerber added. “The minister will also actively encourage German Muslims to conduct a debate on a German Islam.”
According to Kerber, that debate will take place within the so-called Islamkonferenz, which Kerber set up as the interior ministry’s head of policy under Wolfgang Schäuble between 2006-2009 as a “forum for dialogue” on the relationship between Islam and the state….
“We want to help Muslims in Germany to find their own religiousness,” Kerber said. “This may not please Ankara and will lead to conflicts. But we’ll hold out.”
Carl Goldberg, PhD says
How will the Koran used in German Islam be different from the Koran used in the rest of the worldwide Moslem community???
gravenimage says
+1
Rarely says
Interesting concept. If successful then, before killing or raping non-muslims they’ll yell “HEIL ALLAH !!!”. Yup. That should work.
mortimer says
Will the Muslims in Germany start eating pork sausages and drinking beer?
Roger woodhouse says
I have a better idea.Why not explain in detail and plain language just what Islam is all about fully to the German people then let them decide if they want it forced upon them.likewise here in Britain.Most muslims have never read the Koran and no doubt they would be horrified by most of it(Only having beed told the nice bits during their brainwashing period at age 5.)Likewise the whole of the British parliament to be fully informed of Islams purpose for being here.Perhaps then they just might begin to understand why those of us better informed are so opposed to its very presence in the West.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
I have never met a SJW who has read the Koran at all, nor a hijabed Muslima who has read it in its entirety. Former Muslims and conservatives invariably have a far better understanding of the ‘holy texts’ of Islam than do practising Muslims or lefties.
gravenimage says
Most Leftists not only have not read the Qur’an, they resist ever doing so. I have a lot of neighbors like this. Willful ignorance.
gravenimage says
Roger–with all respect–if Muslims were *really* horrified by the Qur’an why wouldn’t they say so? And if most Muslims know nothing about Islam, why is there so much Jihad?
Really, the problem is that all too many Muslims know the diktats of their violent faith all too well.
StellaSaidSo says
You missed Roger’s point, GI.
Few Muslims have read the Koran in its entirety (most Muslims are, in fact, illiterate), but they listen avidly to what the jihad-inciting imams tell them. THAT is ‘how they know the diktats of their violent faith’ – not thru their own dedicated reading of the Koran. When they actually DO read the whole thing, many Muslims immediately become ex-Muslims – and the bravest of them are willing to speak out.
StellaSaidSo says
‘And if Muslims know nothing about Islam’ (plz note that this is not quite what Roger woodhouse said) ‘why is there so much jihad?’
Given the number of devout Muslims in the world, it is arguably surprising that there is not MORE violent jihad. Fortunately, there are many nominal Muslims who don’t attend mosque, who consider the Koran to be no more than a quaint historical artefact, and who reject violence of any sort.
The ‘real problem’ is the totalitarian globalist agenda, and the corrupting power of the Saudi money which helps to propel it forward.
gravenimage says
Stella, whether Muslims learn the Qur’an through their Imams or read it for themselves, it is usually the same content–save for a small handful of Imams who may softball the violence.
And you are right, of course, that there are some Muslims who do not themselves engage in violent Jihad–still very few Muslims actually reject that violence, because that would involved rejecting the Qur’an, Hadiths, and model of the “Prophet” himself.
When have we ever seen Muslims protesting the violence of the Qur’an? I have never heard of them doing so.
mortimer says
WHAT IS “BIDA” ??? “BIDA” means “INNOVATION” … such as MAKING A “GERMAN-STYLE” version of ISLAM.
ISLAM CANNOT BE MODIFIED to be FRENCH, GERMAN or AMERICAN … SUCH CHANGES ARE ‘INNOVATIONS’ which are CONDEMNED and PUNISHED IN SHARIA LAW.
Kufrul-Istibdaal =substituting human laws for Allah’s laws (modernizing Islam)
(Al-Nasa’i, I, p.143) of the Prophet which says, “Verily the most truthful communication is the Book of Allah, the best guidance is from Muhammad, and the worst of all things are innovations; every innovation is heresy, every heresy is error, and every error leads to hell.”
The Qur’an cannot be changed.
The context and the norms have not changed
Everything Allah has revealed through his prophet is still valid today.
Bid‘ah or innovation is forbidden!
The Qur’an is the direct words of Allah and therefore eternally perfect and immutable.
Who are GERMAN POLITICIANS to decide what is true and what is false or CHANGEABLE ?
Do GERMAN POLITICIANS know more than Allah? They do not.
Muhammad, stated:
Narrated Aisha [RA]: “Whoever innovates anything in this matter of ours (i.e., Islaam), that is not part of it, will have it rejected” – Reported in Sahih Bukhaari, Volume 3, Book 49, Number 861
-“The Messenger also warned against the People of Innovation, from befriending, supporting or taking from them saying: “Whoever innovates or accommodates an innovator then upon him is the curse of Allaah, His Angels and the whole of mankind.””
PUNISHMENT OF THE INNOVATOR
Allah’s Apostle (peace be upon him) said: “Medina is a sacred territory, so he who made any innovation in it, or gave protection to an innovator, there is upon him the curse of Allah, that of the angels and that of all the people. There would not be accepted on the Day of Resurrection either obligatory acts or supererogatory acts from him.” Sahih Muslim Hadith, Hadith 3166 Narrated by Abu Hurayrah
The punishment of the innovator is either his obligatory act (Salah, Fasting, Hajj, Zakat) or supererogatory (sunnah) will not be accepted, when we raise to life again waiting for the Great Judgment.
When Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) delivered the sermon, his eyes became red, his voice rose, and his anger increased so that he was like one giving a warning against the enemy and saying: “The enemy has made a morning attack on you and in the evening too.” He would also say: “The last Hour and I have been sent like these two,” and he would join his forefinger and middle finger. He would continue: “The best speech is that embodied in the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. The most evil affairs are their INNOVATIONS; and EVERY INNOVATION (bida) is an error.”
– Sahih Muslim Hadith 1885, Narrated Jabir Ibn Abdullah
gravenimage says
Exactly, Mortimer.
J D S says
With respect to Muslims actions and beliefs..Either one is a Muslim and believes what the koran and hadath states and follows and acts on the teachings…. or one is a Muslim and does not follow the teachings and actions in the koran and hadath and is harassed by those who do. and then there are those who are classed as Muslims who abhor anything to do with the teachings in Islam and have a death warrant facing them. Now in essence this is islam. Does any western nation want to accept Islam.
Krishna says
There will be only Islamic Germany
“Allahu ekber”
Stefan cel Mare says
Turk you are
MARTEL SOBIESKI says
How come we don’t need to create German Buddhism, or Hinduism, or Judaism, or a German Jehova’s Witnesses, or German Mormons? All these, and many more I’m sure, are new comers to Germany, but ONLY ISLAM is giving us headaches. Why is that?
gravenimage says
Spot on.
Guy Forester says
This guy Kerber needs his head examined. See if there are any more than 2 neurons floating around in all that water, beer, or whatever is in there. It sure ain’t brains.
Stefan cel Mare says
Turk you are
Marina says
Islam is the same all over the world. The satanic Allah’s words and the war manual Koran cannot be changed. And the kafir Germans are trying to make it german. No chance.
gravenimage says
Yep.
Indiana Tom says
“We need a ‘German Islam,’ says interior ministry,” by Esther King,
I can just imagine how that would all go.
While you are at it, you might want to work on a German Lutheranism that might improve the country.
Yeah, Luther had his ups and downs, but I can mostly deal with the Lutheran Catechism.
No, I am more of an Anabaptist or Wesleyan when I wear my Christian Hat.
SJ says
Found on YouTube a guy who was born in Germany from Turkish religious parents. He has left Islam and talks all about it as the APOSTATE MUSLIM. Believe he hooked up with Pamela Gellar too. Seriously, he speaks about everything! Look for site on YouTube.
Buraq says
A German form of Islam …….? That’ll be like a meat eating form of vegetarianism, then. Clown!
sidney penny says
“This may not please Ankara,”
Why does Germany need to please Ankara?
gravenimage says
Damn good question.
Emmie says
Otherwise, they’ll flood the continent with “refugees.”
Arthur says
Ah, the arrogance of the multiculturalists. “Excuse me, Mr. Muslim. I would like to explain your culture to you so that you fit within my culture. You see, we here in Germany really value diverse cultures like yours as long as you modify them to fit our preconceived notion of what your culture is. We are not like the bigots who say your culture doesn’t fit.”
Berengaria says
If Germany & France retain the Same So-Called Leaders that are now Preaching Islam, then Germany & France will become ISLAMIC.
All other Western Countries will suffer the Same Fate, if they don’t make a change in their Leadership.
We, in the USA, were able to stop approx. 25 years of Pro-Islam Leaders, by electing a Pro-American President, named Donald J. Trump.
We still have a problem with Pro-Islam & Pro-Illegal Alien Congress
Supporters, but we’re working on that.
Hari Singh says
Either the nation state stops Islam or the Muslims destroy the Nation State. Where is Byzantium? Zoroasterian Persia?, Coptic Egypt?,Christian North Africa, Hindu Malaysia and Hindu Indonesia, The great Temples of Northern India. where are 250 millions killed by Jihad’s descendants-They no longer exist.
Make your choice Germany or Islam, you can’t have both. If you think your culture will survive answer yourself this,How many Pakistanis with Hindu religion names have you met? None! Persians with Zoaroastrian names, understand now Deutschland?
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Hari Singh says
All European countries should make reading the Koran in school in their European languages compulsory. They should read a translation , translated before the 1960’s when cultural Marxism came into play.
When Europeans see what the Koran says they will spurn it.
Maxwell SJ Fenton says
Islam is the Quran, hadiths and sunnah of Muhammad.
It is Arabic throughout, Pure 7th century paganism,
There is no other Islam, just nominal believers and secular metaphysical speculation.
Roger woodhouse says
As a child growing up in the 1940s and 50s with a nominal Christian education I never felt that I was missing out on my religious studies by knowing nothing of Islam.Later in life I feel gratified by that and feel how lucky I was.Islam has nothing to offer this country which is now a vitually ‘spiritually free zone’ sadly
gravenimage says
German interior ministry: “This may not please Ankara,” but we need a “German Islam”
…………………..
Good luck with that.
The only mildly hopeful thing here is that at least Markus Kerber actually understands that there is a problem with Islam as it stands now–even if he has no clue what to do about it.
infidel says
Germany and let me say the EU is SURELY headed for a brutal and bloody partition as the virus of Islam advances and takes a choke hold. It will be INEVITABLY partitioned like how India was partitioned in 1947 to India and Pakistan. This is what Islam does wherever it goes. On one side of the partition will be right thinking patriots and on the other side will be the left libbies who will actually be controlled and hijacked by Islam. But then I would say, the LEFT LIBBIES will start a nightmarish tango with Islam.. and they will be gobbled up too.. (see how there is NO SEMBLANCE of a LEFT in Islamic countries).. I wish that the LEFT rots in hell for all that I care..
No Muzzies Here says
There is a word for putting two contradictory terms together in one expression. I believe it’s called a contradiction in terms, such as “square circle.”
Islam is incompatible with any other legal, political or religious system in the world. It does not co-exist with it. It engulfs the other and replaces it totally.
It’s easy to delude oneself into thinking that Islam can live peacefully in the civilized world. Malmo Sweden, Molenbeek Belgium and Hamtramck Michigan prove that.
infidel numero uno says
To say this is absolute lunacy is a gross understatement.
Lydia Church says
The best islam of all: NO islam!