If Jolene Bunting had criticized Christianity, do you think she would have been suspended? Neither do I.
“Belfast councillor Jolene Bunting suspended from duties ‘for criticising Islam,’” by Duncan Elder, News Letter, September 18, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A Belfast city councillor has been suspended from council duties for four months while investigations are carried out into complaints about public statements she made about Islam.
Independent councillor Jolene Bunting, who formerly represented the TUV, revealed on social media that she had been suspended from her duties “for criticising Islam”.
“This is a dark day for democracy and freedom of speech,” the Greater Shankill representative, who has been linked with the far-right Britain First group, posted on her Facebook page.
A statement issued by the Northern Ireland Local Government Commissioner for Standards said the Acting Commissioner had decided to suspend Councillor Bunting for four months while an investigation into complaints against her are ongoing.
The decision comes after an Interim Adjudication Hearing held at the Resolution Centre in Belfast on September 4.
“The Acting Commissioner Mr Ian Gordon found that there was prima facie evidence that Councillor Bunting had failed to comply with the Local Government Code of Conduct. He determined that a member of the public, knowing all of the relevant facts, would reasonably consider that her conduct had brought her position as a councillor and that of the council into disrepute,” the statement said.
“The Acting Commissioner found it likely that there has been continuing reputational damage to the City Council and that repeated failures by the respondent to comply with the code and subsequent publicity is likely to have had a negative impact on public confidence.
“He highlighted that the aim of the Code is to improve the standard of conduct expected of councillors and to foster public confidence in the ethical standards regime.
“The Acting Commissioner requested that the Interim Hearing be held after receiving an Interim Report on the complaints made against Councillor Bunting. Given the frequent, ongoing, repetitive and escalating nature of the alleged breaches of the Code, the Deputy Commissioner believed that suspension of the councillor was necessary while his full investigation into the complaints continued.”
The statement continued: “The complaints arose from public statements made by the councillor in relation to the Islamic religion, her association with the far-right group Britain First, and the publication of a meme on social media.
“The Hearing was told that from 15 December 2017 to 14 August 2018, 14 complaints were made against Councillor Bunting. One complaint was signed by 87 complainants, while another was signed by a total of 79 members of the public….
gerard says
What did she say?
CogitoErgoSum says
The policy of Silencio” strikes again. To repeat what she said would hurt somebody’s feelings. She said something to offend the Muslims and that’s all that’s necessary for a dhimmi to know. Guilty until proven innocent now holds sway.
gravenimage says
True, CogitoErgoSum–we never even learn what was said in these cases.
IanB says
More information here:
https://nipso.org.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Interim-Adjudication-Hearing-Final-Decision-Councillor-Bunting.pdf
gravenimage says
Thank you, Ian.
Maurice Miner says
I wish we could upvote perspicacious comments such as yours.
Rob says
Didn’t Orwell say: ‘if freedom of speech means anything, it means telling people things they don’t want to hear’
Jesse says
He also said, First they steal the words, then they steal their meaning.
Andy says
McCartney’s great wealth may have helped buy him love, but he can’t buy intelligence.
The 76 year-old mop top has Trump Derangement Syndrome.
https://grrrgraphics.com/paul-mccartney-i-hate-you-yeah-yeah-yeah/
mortimer says
270 million is the rough estimate of those killed by JIHAD. 1 person has died from JIHAD every 3 minutes since Mohammed.
120 million Africans
80 million Hindus
60 million Christians
10 million Buddhists
1/2 million Jews
9/10 worst persecutors of Christians are ISLAMIC COUNTRIES.
90,000 Christians are TORTURED and KILLED BY MUSLIMS EVERY YEAR!
Should Islam be criticized? Damn right!
boakai ngombu says
the brothers at the mosque would criticize those numbers; they’re too low.
ianB says
More information here:
https://nipso.org.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Interim-Adjudication-Hearing-Final-Decision-Councillor-Bunting.pdf
BC says
Mu question exactly
SavetheWest says
Yes, what did she say?
gravenimage says
That’s what I want to know.
Chances are, she criticized the violence or oppressiveness of Islam. Can’t have that…
Lucy says
She said very little one of the reasons was because she was outside the Muslim house in belfast with jayda and she also had jayda in the city hall and she was also at the peace wall with jayda. You don’t have to say anything for your freedom of speech to be taken from you in this country.
ianB says
More information here:
https://nipso.org.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Interim-Adjudication-Hearing-Final-Decision-Councillor-Bunting.pdf
gravenimage says
Thank you, Lucy and Ian.
Andy says
In today’s society you can be suspended “for not just criticizing Islam” but also DIVERSITY!
A country needs borders, language and culture – To quote the great Michael Savage!
Woman Denied Service at Taco Bell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6SSGf3LtW4
Forced Diversity Is Not Our Strength
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w48P6sYJ6o
Andy says
Pope Francis meets Bonehead Bono
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-meets-bono-44083
Respond to Bono for his racism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KalLX9dQm0M
Stefan cel Mare says
I wonder…how many concerts did Bono had in muslim countries from Asia and Africa ? Did he get any money from them ? Or he is rich because the boring people of Europe, Australia and America?
U2 (and bono) is a no-go and no-interest band. We should no longer go to U2 concerts. If they want money, they should go to Saudi Arabia, Somalia or Pakistan.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Andy and Stefan, the number of celebrities on the ‘boycott’ list continues to grow!
Let’s see now… Meryl Streep, Madonna, Robert di Niro, Lily Allen, J.K. Rowling, George Clooney, Cher, Anne Hathaway, Bob Geldof, Bono…feel free to add more names!
Andy says
Stella,
You can add Paul McCartney to the “Globalist” club.
Paul McCartney uses song on new album to attack President: Donald Trump: ‘We’ve got a mad captain sailing this boat’
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/paul-mccartney-donald-trump-criticism-mad-captain-sailing-boat-egypt-station-album-a8539976.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6175893/Paul-McCartney-calls-mad-captain-President-Donald-Trump-denying-climate-change-new-song.html
The leftie/liberals are seeing that,as Bob Dylan has said in a song: The Times They Are A Changin’ and hopefully for a more sane, non-globalist, common sense world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ&feature=youtu.be
StellaSaidSo says
Thanks Andy – McCartney is a VERY deserving addition to the boycott list!
Andy says
+1
Andy says
UPDATE: Tommy Robinson back in court SEPT 27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK-E-_aUtaI
Andy says
Jack Black is another a–hole, added to the list of “Globalists”.
Jack Black calls Donald Trump a “piece of s***”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCff9U2xzXw
Old Fat Bald Socially Inept Ron says
Andy, great video, thanks.
Andy says
Cheers! OFBSIR
Andy says
I saw this comment by Hello, Sidney!
When white people settle where non white people are, it’s called “Colonization.” When non white people settle where white people are, it’s called “diversity.”
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Enolagay says
Probobly the truth or at least she hinted at it. She should get refgugee status for being threatened.
gravenimage says
She is a native Irishwoman.
IanB says
More information here:
https://nipso.org.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Interim-Adjudication-Hearing-Final-Decision-Councillor-Bunting.pdf
Carol the 1st says
Taking a look at Jolene Bunting in Andy’s video shows her to be capable of a lot more than itty bitty “hurtful” comments that elicit pathetic squeals from Islam and its blinkered fans. And it’s extremely unlikely that polite “retractions” will be forthcoming from her corner of the ring (a la Canadian politicians). I bet they fervently wish they could bundle her off to jail just like her loudmouth pals Jayda, Paul,and Tommy.
The Irish can be so annoying! Jolene looks like a real rabble-rouser – but in the good sense of the word!
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-councillor-jolene-buntings-conduct-being-investigated-37083593.html
Paul Golding Britain First in Belfast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ykBIfrRfw
Notmoron says
Millions and millions of people who have economic problems can not afford to talk about islam. And the result will be what all of us know here in JIHAD WATCH.
Andy says
Meanwhile in Canada
Soy Boy, Trudeau and the main stream media absent as Torontonians hold vigil for Marrisa Shen but Soy Boy Trudeau was very quick to come to (a fake news story when) a little muslim girl when she lied and said that an Asian man pulled off her hijab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PejyNRwFeHk
Andy says
Fair coverage for Maxime Bernier’s new “People’s Party”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-sqKXYFGs
Andy says
Mad Max E Pluribus Unum | People’s Party of Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRay8irx9k8
Elisha says
More hijacking people’s posts with irrelevant videos, eh Andy?
Andy says
Everywhere around the world, People are speaking out about the religion of peace, We need as much information to get out as possible.
Jolene Bunting speaking at the U K Freedom Rally in Belfast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDKRbT1CjHM
gravenimage says
Elisha–with all respect–I very rarely consider Andy’s video links to be off-topic. Certainly, people protesting the savagery of Islam–particularly in Belfast–could not be more salient.
If you disagree, though, you can simply skip them.
Andy says
+1
Thank you, GI
gravenimage says
🙂
Ernie says
Elisha , Andy is doing a great job here . I really appreciate his contributions !
Ernie says
Great job again , Andy ! Thank you !
Andy says
Thank you Ernie, for the kind words.
Cheers!
Malcolm Jackson says
By 2036 Corbyn’s Islamic Labour Party will be the permanent Government of the UK, thanks to the Muslim block vote. We will all then be living under a Sharia dictatorship and Democracy will no longer exist. There is no way of stopping this happening. Muslim birthrate, immigration and simple arithmetic guarantee this.
Geoffrey Britain says
Politically, there is no way to stop this but… politics by “other” means are always available.
gravenimage says
You can stand up for democracy. You don’t have to surrender it to Islam.
Andy says
+1
StellaSaidSo says
@gravenimage
‘You can stand up for democracy. You don’t have to surrender it to Islam’.
Really? How?
It is years since EU members had real democracy. Malcolm Jackson is right. If Commie Corbyn wins the next UK election, and uncontrolled immigration continues, and the Muslim birth-rate continues to exceed that of the native British, and policy continues to favour Islam, there will be no democracy left to defend.
gravenimage says
Stella, I am not saying that things are not dire–they are.
But I don’t think that preaching surrender as Malcolm Jackson is doing is either useful or accurate.
Things looked quite dark, for instance, in 1939. But those who opposed Fascism worked to both wake people up to the Nazi threat *and* show that Hitler was not invincible.
You have said that you have spoken out, and I greatly respect that. But many have not; many, in fact, are still in complete denial over there being a threat from Islam at all. I think spreading the truth about Islam is supremely important.
There are, in fact, more people waking up all the time–and the more the word is spread, the more likely there will be enough.
That there are large demonstrations for Tommy Robinson is a good sign.
And as bad as things are with Muslims themselves, they still make up just 5% of the population in Britain now–still a shocking figure, but *far* from a majority. Places like Spain, Greece, and the Balkans cam back from worse.
My mother was English, and I still have cousins there. I am not willing to reconcile myself to things being hopeless, and centuries of British civilization irrevocably gone in less than twenty years, as Malcolm Jackson is.
As for Geoffrey Britain’s (probable) implication that democracy is already useless and we should just proceed to violence, I think this is a mistake both ethically *and* strategically. Given that so many are still in denial over the Jihad threat, violence from Anti-Jihadists would just look like more terrorism to most people, most of whom would *not* support such actions.
In addition–as I noted–I don’t want to let Muslims make us abandon democracy.
Now, such times might come, as they did with groups like the French Resistance–where our only option is to take to the hills and fight. I don’t believe that we have reached that point yet, nor do I want us to reach that point–although I hope we would if there were no other option save submission to Islam.
If you do indeed think that things are hopeless–in Britain, at least–what do you propose?
Elisha says
You are right, gi, we don’t have to surrender to islam but we have to face reality. Western governments (and most, if not all institutions) are so infested with Marxists we have reached a tipping point that only war will restore to true Western civilization, based upon Christian values, of course. Islam CANNOT and WILL NOT change from its objective of a worldwide caliphate. With such an unholy alliance bent on suicidal destruction, there is only one place where we are headed, and that is spelled out in the prophetic Scriptures of the Bible. The best course of action for every person on this planet who remains unconverted is to seek truth sincerely, courageously and humbly(Jeremiah 29:13, Psalm 145:18, James 4:6, 1 Corinthians 2:13-14). It was good enough for people like Sir William Ramsay and James Warner Wallace, and, with the advent of the internet, there are NO excuses for not educating oneself in this day and age. Please consider the following resource:
https://creation.com/the-creation-answers-book-index
Faith in Jesus Christ (Hebrews 11:6) and repentance from sin (Luke 13:1-5) is the answer to the problem. Everything else is rubbish (Philippians 3:8). God bless.
StellaSaidSo says
@gravenimage
Malcolm Jackson is not ‘preaching surrender’. He is stating facts. Geoffrey Britain is also being realistic. Many commentators predict exactly the scenario he outlines.
It is not necessary for Muslims to be a numerical majority for them to be in control. Around 7% is sufficient to tip the balance.
Yes, I have ‘spoken out’. I have been ‘speaking out’ for several years, and received death threats for my trouble. What have YOU done, apart from opine for hours every day on JW? I am far from ‘reconciled’ to the ‘hopelessness’ of the situation, and I’ll wager I know more about what is happening in UK than you do.
gravenimage says
Elisha, I agree that Leftists and dhimmis in positions of power are also a great danger.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid that saying there is no way of stopping Britain from becoming a permanent and irrevocable Shari’ah state within 18 years is indeed preaching surrender.
As for my contributions to the Counter Jihad, I have my Anti-Jihad art–including Muhammed cartoons–and my work with Anti-Jihad groups on the ground.
I have also been contributing here at Jihad Watch since 2006. You can, of course, sneer at this if you so choose.
gravenimage says
Elisha, you are right that Islam will not change.
gravenimage says
I also regularly write to figures in government and public life, either in support–as here with Ms. Bunting–or to educate, with those who are still in denial of the Jihad threat.
katherine says
Yes but it still puzzles and infuriates me – the vast majority of non-Muslims still insist on voting in the submissive dhimmi politicians – have the education systems of the British Isles been churning out Idiots all these years ? I thought it was the prerogative of an Islamic administration to mis-educate the masses and render them mindless.
Now Mr Farage has also given up ( after only one defeat ) even when the numbers indicated a swelling opposition to Labour and Conservatives.
Now where’s the news on Bad Boris – has he been locked up yet for the Unmentionables – are all cautionary statements on Islamization in Britain now considered hate speech ?
And Sharia all over the UK – whatever happened to British Law. Politicians cannot speak out : what are they and the Parliament for then – might as well demolish Westminster ( I heard it’s cracking already ).
gravenimage says
All too true, thebigW. I have a lot of otherwise decent neighbors and loved ones who think like this.
IanB says
No way of stopping it happening?
Glock 9mm? Barrett 50 cal? 12 gauge shotgun?
Semtex? … or satire, ridicule, sarcasm, mockery, derision, scorn … (better weapons?).
StellaSaidSo says
We should have deployed a lot more satire and scorn a lot sooner, Ian. Before it became ‘hate speech’.
IanB says
Agreed Stella.
StellaSaidSo says
Yep. The worst thing we ever did was take these moronic savages seriously.
Walter Sieruk says
As this the woman who was suspended in her position as city Councillor in Belfast because of her “criticizing Islam ” This may be an example of the infiltration of the Muslim who practice the sly and insidiousness of the stealth jihad . Even in North Ireland ,a Western nation which is country so very far away from the Middle East the Islamic infiltration and influence must be strong.. Be it oil power or something else ? So much so that the people of Northern Ireland are very willing to “bend-over backwards” not to offend or even outrage Muslims. Maybe the people of Northern Ireland haven’t yet learned or discovered the it takes very little to offend and even enrage many Muslims..
Besides all this , that this women was actually suspended for “criticizing Islam’ is still further proof the Islam is ,in essence, such a weak and fragile religion that it can’t stand up to or hold up to criticism of any kind, not matter how mild that criticism might be.
Nige31 says
The people of Northern Ireland are very willing to “bend-over backwards” not to offend or even outrage Muslims..
Wrong, my friend. It is the pathetic PC mob that this applies to not the people.
IanB says
Walter. A little internet research will show that the Chief Executive of Belfast City Council, Suzanne Wylie is the main complainant in the action against Jolene Bunting. Wylie is also a “graduate” of Common Purpose, an organisation as sly and insidious as stealth jihad.
Perusal of the website “cpexposed” will explain a lot to you my counter-jihad friend.
gravenimage says
+1
Jaladhi says
So Islam can’t be criticized but other religions are a fair game! The West has a death wish with self inflicted wounds on its civilization.
Henry Mansfield says
Since elected officials are suspended for speaking out and regular people prosecuted for non-violent ‘hate speech’, the recourse is to either go along or stay silent before acting.
When it comes to history, I’ve seen revolutions begin over less. The Islamophiles in government across formerly Christian lands won’t have a clue as to what hit them when it’s all over. Muslims shouldn’t get the idea anyone is capable of protecting them after their pattern of behavior across Western Europe the last 4 decades.
Emilie Green says
Living in a world when truth no longer matters.
Mike9a says
and is not allowed.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Emilie and Mike.
tedh754 says
It’s like the old saying, “If you want to know who actually rules you, find out who you may not criticize.”
R Russell says
Not that long ago N Ireland was a practising Christian country. Yes there were problems. There was sectarian bitterness with killings. The people worshipped God in spite of their differences.
But this has all gone now. N Ireland needs a Christian revival just as much as the rest of the UK.
Can N Ireland return to the God of St Patrick?
I hope so. If they don’t with the 1 million migrants south of the open border, sharia will reign supreme.
God grant the Council will see the error of its ways and return to the Lord Jesus for direction instead of siding with their enemies
Maran says
I agree, R Russell, Northern Ireland does need a Christian revival, as does the rest of the U.K.
According to many prophesies over the UK, things may not go quite as ‘some people’ expect!!!
God’s timeline may not be those people’s timeline. If we as Christians agree to seek to know God’s ways and enter into spiritual warfare God can do the impossible.
There is still much to give us hope in these darkening days.
Chronicles 7:14
If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
Jeremiah 32: v26,27
Behold! I am the God of all flesh. Is anything too difficult for me?
Youtube There is a prophesy on there which was written by an Indian Christian Preacher in 2001 (some time before most of this started) It is written and is read out by a man called Howard Condor.
It made my heart sing. ( Prophesy over the UK.)
End PC says
Voltaire said “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
So Ireland is willing to be ruled by Islam – shame on them!
Bacherbazistan says
The Irish are soundly asleep or wilfully ignorant unfortunately.
Noel says
End PC – It’s often credited to Voltaire, but there is no record of his ever having said or written it. People thought it sounded clever and so attributed it to Voltaire. It’s rather like Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D minor. His most famous work, yet he didn’t write it.
gravenimage says
Here’s some good news:
“Belfast councillor Jolene Bunting vows court fight over ‘absolute joke’ suspension”
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/belfast-councillor-jolene-bunting-vows-court-fight-over-absolute-joke-suspension-1-8639452
She said, “This is a dark day for democracy and freedom of speech” and “They are saying the reason for the suspension is that I brought Belfast City Council into disrepute. But the same council has convicted terrorists in its council chamber, yet I am the one that has supposedly brought it into disrepute by stating facts and putting my opinion out there”.
simpleton1 says
Thanks gravenimage.
This is where we need to give much support to Jolene Bunting.!
Support to her family, immediate friends and supporters.
She will need financial support.
She will need security.
She needs moral support.
She needs good legal advice.
Possibly needs more information, about islam, and how to play her hand.
Tommy Robinson learnt a lot, and it has been great to see him develop over the years.
Though I would not wish upon any one the hard yards he did in staying staunch and stoic, but one can see how he also developed in understanding islam.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Simpleton,. You can contact Jolene Bunting here:
https://minutes3.belfastcity.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=21
Rolf Wittwer says
As more and more such “stories” provoked by intolerant backward orientated Islam (respectively by its members) occur, the so called “red line” will soon be crossed.
Our western civilization will have to wake up. And then someday – probably “the party” will start.
Bacherbazistan says
Here are the charges laid against Jolene.
https://nipso.org.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Interim-Adjudication-Hearing-Final-Decision-Councillor-Bunting.pdf
Ren says
Don’t criticize islam. Insult it.
TGFG says
Robert Spencer is today’s Churchill.
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
The Belfast council are DHIMMIS.
Gjallarhornet says
This is absurd. In a city where, until quite recently, people killed each other because they believed the other to posses the *wrong* form of Christianity. That means that to be fair the authorities will have to go back and suspend EVERY Catholic who has ever bad-mouthed Protestantism and every Protestant that ever bad-mouthed Catholicism. Very few politicians will remain in office in Belfast when this is done.
Needles to say, this will never happen. Something which just to to show that islam has a preferred place and a special right not to be criticized that no other religion or organization can ever dream about. Why?
Evangeline says
Ireland has abandoned Christianity, with it’s adoption of same-sex marriage and recently, the shocking vote of the people to embrace the destruction of their unborn babies. This is the first time a people voted for abortion and did not have it thrust upon them by a court or government. They chose it.
And here comes their just desserts, tyranny, loss of freedom, and Islam.
Time grows short people of Ireland. You are following the rest of Europe down that vast rabbit hole. Better fight it now. Demand this woman be reinstated with no delay. Fill the streets and fight it.
Bacherbazistan says
It always amazes me how the Irish are so enthusiastic about repeating the mistakes of Sweden, Germany etc but apparently expect a different outcome.
IanB says
It is notable that the Chief Executive of Belfast City Council, SUZANNE WYLIE, is a “graduate” of Common Purpose. This has been confirmed by a response by the council to a Freedom of Information request (available on the internet).
What this article does not reveal is that Wylie is the chief complainant in this matter along with other officers of the council.
Common Purpose is a secretive, insidious leftist community intent on infiltrating organizations to impose multicultural, politically correct ideologies with the corresponding reductions in personal freedoms, especially freedom of speech. See website “cpexposed”.
StellaSaidSo says
What a surprise, eh, Ian! Local govt in UK is infested with these vile traitors. They are the chief enablers of the plague of Islam.
Felix Quigley says
This is very definitely the work of the Irish and Northern Irish capitalist class. Yes Wylie is the figure to watch in this. Wylie is a leading member of the Northern capitalist class as the following report from the Irish News makes clear…
“Gary McDonald Business Editor
18 November, 2016 01:00
BELFAST city’s “unelected first woman” has been honoured with one of this year’s top business accolades.
Suzanne Wylie, chief executive of Belfast City Council, scooped the coveted Outstanding Business Woman of the Year crown at the sixth annual Northern Ireland Women in Business Awards.
Since taking up the key administrative post in July 2014 she has steered the city council through Local Government Reform, the most significant change the organisation and the sector has experienced in decades.
The judges said “her business acumen and energy know no bounds”.
She was among more than a dozen winners at the Alexander Mann Solutions-sponsored ceremony in the Ramada Plaza, a night of glitz, glamour and high entertainment attended by more than 400 people from the north’s business community.
Ms Wylie is responsible for a budget in the hundreds of millions of pounds and oversees the delivery of services to more than 330,000 residents within Northern Ireland’s largest local authority, which she has served for more than 25 years.
She stepped up into the top role from that of director of the council’s Health and Environmental Services, and prior to that she worked in the development department has head of urban development.
In addition to her onerous council work the mother-of-three sits on a number of boards including Belfast City Centre Management and The Simon Community, and she also holds an honours degree in environmental health and a masters degree in administration.
She has been front and centre of a range of initiatives to help propel Belfast into a major European force, and earlier this week she was in London presenting proposals to give Belfast more powers and to seek a “City Deal”.
Stormont Junior Minister Megan Fearon said it was a pleasure to celebrate the hard work and achievements of female business leaders and entrepreneurs in areas including export, customer service, marketing, innovation, IT, management and leadership.
She said: “Everyone taking part, not just the winners, are inspirational and the awards highlight how much home grown talent we have and the valuable contribution women are making to our economy.”
Guest speakers were former Tanaiste Mary Harney – who discussed some of the challenges and successes experienced during her career in Irish politics and the world of business – along with Rosaleen Blair, founder of one of the world’s leading provider of talent acquisition and management services Alexander Mann Solutions
Winners of the 2016 Women in Business Awards were:
:: Advancing Diversity in the Workplace (sponsored by Equality Commission) – Sharon Martin (Terex GB)
:: Best Customer Service corporate (sponsored by Diamond Recruitment) – Sinead McCann (Corick House Hotel and Spa)
:: Best Customer Service small business (sponsored by Diamond Recruitment) – Sarah Mackie (Larchfield Estate)
:: Best Exporter (sponsored by QA Travel) – Sinead Murphy (Shnuggle)
:: Best in Professional Services corporate (sponsored by The Progressive) – Sinead Dillon (Fujitsu)
:: Best in Professional Services small business (sponsored by The Progressive) – Jayne Taggart (Causeway Enterprise Agency)
:: Best Marketing Campaign (sponsored by Pierce Communications) – Zoe McCullough (Suki Tea)
:: Best New Start-Up (sponsored by Go for It) – Niamh Taylor (Digital Twenty Four)
:: Best Small Business (sponsored by Danske Bank) – Alicia Peyrano (Little Citizens Boutique)
:: Excellence in IT (sponsored by The Irish News) – Sue McLaughlin (Bluebird Care Coleraine)
:: Outstanding Innovation – Kerry Nevins (Babocush)
:: Outstanding Leadership & Management (sponsored by Belfast City Council) – Ursula Lavery (Moy Park)
:: Young Business Woman of the Year (sponsored by Department for the Economy) – Yolanda Cooper (Vita Liberata)
:: Outstanding Business Woman of the Year (sponsored by Alexander Mann Solutions) – Suzanne Wylie (Belfast City Council)
18 November, 2016 01:00 BUSINESS”
http://www.irishnews.com/business/2016/11/18/news/top-business-honour-for-belfast-s-unelected-first-woman-suzanne-wylie-788969/
gravenimage says
I see that Felix Quigley is again pretending that Islamization is due to capitalism.
He regularly flogs Communism here. He doesn’t oppose totalitarianism–he just wants his own brand in power.
Felix Quigley says
My post has not appeared. It proves that Wylie is the leading capitalist Northern Irish voice and is backed also by the southern capitalist figures I mentioned…that kind of unity.
I quoted from http://www.irishnews.com/business/2016/11/18/news/top-business-honour-for-belfast-s-unelected-first-woman-suzanne-wylie-788969/
Felix Quigley says
From the above and from the comments on Jihadwatch, the videos, the scraps of information…it appears that there are massive powers in Ireland that are intent on inviting in large numbers of Muslims, and also larger numbers of Africans, and are intent on destroying the native demography.
But there is no overall analysis of what is happening in Ireland from a scientific and truthful viewpoint. All have their angles. Such as this very foolish person Gravenimage. She as usual has contributed zero to analysing this situation in Ireland.
In fact this requires a scientific leadership which is above all a Trotskyist (Marxist) party to lead. That is a concept which Gravenimage, such a reactionary, hates to even think about.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley does not want anyone who stands for freedom here.
His pretending that things would be fine in Ireland if it were another Communist hellhole like North Korea is just sickening.
He just sees Muslims as rivals in imposing totalitarianism on Ireland.
Felix Quigley says
You are a fool because you are preventing the truth becoming known.
You are reactionary because you are deliberately hiding the issue of Stalin and Stalinism in history.
So your one strategic impulse is to hide what Stalinism was and to confuse Stalinism with Marxism.
Even the great Jewish historian Robert Wistrich who was opposed to Marxism understood this about Stalinism and did not hide it. But you do.
That is why you are so dangerous. You deliberately hide the historical truth.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley wrote:
You are a fool because you are preventing the truth becoming known.
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What tripe. Firstly, note that Felix Quigley has been unable to point to anything that I said that was untrue.
Then, I am not preventing anyone else from speaking–including himself.
Many who want to crush freedom of speech–as is done under Communism–appear to believe that replying to speech (somehow) prevents that speech from being heard.
This is, of course, quite false–replying to speech does not oppose freedom of speech–it is itself freedom of speech.
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You are reactionary because you are deliberately hiding the issue of Stalin and Stalinism in history.
So your one strategic impulse is to hide what Stalinism was and to confuse Stalinism with Marxism.
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What rot. Felix Quigley has done this before–implied that the only problem with Communism is that Stalin (supposedly) corrupted some mythical ‘true’ Communism.
But this is of course not the case.
Stalinism was hideous–but it was only worse in degree from the Soviet Communism that proceeded it–and followed it. Stalin was in power for 31 years–but the Soviet Union was totalitarian for a full 74 years. Less than half of that was under Stalin.
And this just accounts for the Soviet Union. Communism has also been oppressive and murderous in China, in Cuba, in North Korea, in Vietnam, in Cambodia, and in Laos.
And yet, Stalin was not in power in any of these countries. Mao, Pol Pot, and the Kim dynasty in North Korea have been as bad.
The truth is that there has not been a single place where Communism has been other than hideously totalitarian. This is, in fact, *very telling*.
Felix Quigley has been unable to point to so much as a single Communist paradise. Whereas, while every nation has its flaws, I can point to dozens of nations that have benefited from freedom, including free enterprise.
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Even the great Jewish historian Robert Wistrich who was opposed to Marxism understood this about Stalinism and did not hide it. But you do.
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Robert Wistrich’s family was terribly persecuted under Communism.
His family was not free under either Fascism or Communism. He was not free, in fact, until living in England–a *Capitalist*, not Communist country.
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That is why you are so dangerous. You deliberately hide the historical truth.
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This is the second time in a single post that Felix Quigley has accused me of hiding the truth–but again, he does not say what that (supposedly) consists of.
I have condemned Stalin here many times, along with other Communist tyrants.
Felix Quigley considers it “dangerous” to oppose the oppressive horrors of Communism.
I oppose them for the same reason that I oppose Fascism and Islam and any other totalitarian creed that may at any point raise its ugly head. I am a staunch believer in freedom.
Carol the 1st says
Put on your bunny ears everyone!
Felix Quigley says
In this situation Jolene Bunting has to be defended unconditionally. Yet this is not some kind of popular front situation. Although I defend the right to free speech of Bunting unconditionally, meaning I place no conditions on my support to defend her right to free speech, I want to know more precisely what are her politics, what is her political programme, and I reserve the right also to be critical if I find her programme to be inadequate for example. In other words what is needed is a lively discussion. Defend Bunting so that there can be a discussion.
StellaSaidSo says
‘Defend Bunting so that there can be a discussion.’
Nailed it.
Carol the 1st says
Look it up and share it with us. Don’t be lazy Felix.
gravenimage says
Jolene Bunting is a supporter of Tommy Robinson, and wants to see the Burqa banned. She is pro-Brexit and is concerned about immigration–especially Muslim immigration. She has links to Britain First–although it is unclear how close–and has supported Jayda Fransen’s comments in opposition to terrorism.
She is an Independent. I have been unable to find out much more about Bunting’s politics in general. It seems unlikely that she is a Trotskyite, though.
I would be glad to hear more about Bunting from any Britons here–especially the Irish.
learning islam says
Allah must be feeling petty and insecure. Hurt feelings by the comments of a mere mortal human being. Not so great after all is this Allah.Very Revealing
free speech offends people from a particular community ( they only have to say their feelings are hurt or they feel offended) and the unfortunate infidel will be visited the the Dhimmified British Police and then prosecuted.
However free speech is tolerated from that same religious community when they call fro Sharia law and the superiority of their barbaric political ideology masquerading as spiritual beliefs over other communities’ beliefs.
paddy oconnor says
Ought be open for discussion
Krishna says
You won’t get suspended for criticising Islam even in countries like India with 14% of muslim population but Ireland Is submitting to Islam even with 5% of muslim population
gravenimage says
Good point.
Felix Quigley says
The right to free speech is today the right to explain the history of Islam. If people know the history of Islam then they will know that the aims of Islam today to control all countries is not an accident but is normal. So the real answer to this persecution of the right to free speech is to make this history known to one and all. Therefore the recent book by Robert Spencer “The History of Jihad: From Muhammad to ISIS” assumes massive importance. This is not a dry academic exercise. It simply tells the true story of Islam from beginning to end, to the present, enabling people to understand this present.
It is not the only book it is necessary to read. It is necessary to understand also the history of these countries like Britain, Scotland, Ireland and in opposition to Gravenimage it is necessary to understand the history of socialism, the role of Karl Marx, Engels who had a special relationship to Ireland, Lenin, and Trotsky with special emphasis on the role of Stalinism. The issue of terrorism as a tactic of struggle, as practiced by the IRA, has also happened big time in the history of the Leninist struggle against the terror movements in his day. He always prophesied that these terror movements would fail in the struggle against Czarism and that they would turn into their opposite. This has happened in modern times to Sinn Fein…Sinn Fein is now a great weight on the shoulders of the Irish working class and progressive people in Ireland.
The situation in Ireland is extremely serious. Ireland today is the touchstone internationally. The people of Ireland do not have time for this “Reds under the Bed ” crap from people like Gravenimage. Some estimates give the population of Ireland at present to be 80/20, with twenty per cent living in Ireland not having been born in Ireland. And with the plans to introduce a million refugees with immediate effect this can very quickly go beyond 50/50 with the natively born Irish becoming a minority.
This is a situation where political correctness becomes a major enemy.
There needs to be a very serious discussion and that is why these attacks on the Belfast local council by a small number of people supported by the Media are so serious and must be totally opposed.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley wrote:
The right to free speech is today the right to explain the history of Islam.
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Actually, free speech encompasses much more than this. But Felix Quigley is certainly correct that this is the major issue of our time, as well as one most threatened by those who are crushing freedom of speech today.
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If people know the history of Islam then they will know that the aims of Islam today to control all countries is not an accident but is normal. So the real answer to this persecution of the right to free speech is to make this history known to one and all. Therefore the recent book by Robert Spencer “The History of Jihad: From Muhammad to ISIS” assumes massive importance. This is not a dry academic exercise. It simply tells the true story of Islam from beginning to end, to the present, enabling people to understand this present.
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This is one thing we can definitely agree on.
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It is not the only book it is necessary to read. It is necessary to understand also the history of these countries like Britain, Scotland, Ireland and in opposition to Gravenimage it is necessary to understand the history of socialism, the role of Karl Marx, Engels who had a special relationship to Ireland, Lenin, and Trotsky with special emphasis on the role of Stalinism.
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Marx did indeed write about what he called “The Irish Question”. and there is no doubt that the English oppressed the native Irish population. Although he never quite says it–his essay is rather rambling and is largely a relatively straightforward history–it seems likely that he hoped for some sort of Communist uprising there. Whatever Ireland’s other troubles, they have been spared this.
Frederick Engles–whose common-law wife was Irish–was a lot more bald-faced in his aims. He said, “Give me two hundred thousand Irishmen and I could overthrow the entire British monarchy”. What he wanted was cannon fodder–but the Irish never delivered themselves into his hands.
As for Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky were certainly rivals. But while neither of them racked up the same appalling body count as did Stalin, the implication that they would have ushered in some Communist paradise is simply absurd. Both were brutal themselves, and Lenin had several years in charge himself, and it was pretty ugly.
As for the history of Socialism, Felix Quigley’s problem is that I know it all too well.
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The issue of terrorism as a tactic of struggle, as practiced by the IRA, has also happened big time in the history of the Leninist struggle against the terror movements in his day. He always prophesied that these terror movements would fail in the struggle against Czarism and that they would turn into their opposite.
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Actually, Lenin was a big fan of terrorism, which he openly praised. He only opposed “individual terrorism”–and not on moral grounds, but because he felt it was ineffective.
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This has happened in modern times to Sinn Fein…Sinn Fein is now a great weight on the shoulders of the Irish working class and progressive people in Ireland.
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Sinn Fein has now renounced violence (although they still have some rather shadowy links with those who have not). They are actually a Socialist party–but I’m sure not Communist enough for Felix Quigley.
There is a Communist Party in Ireland–but, as in most places in the West, they are happily pretty ineffectual.
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The situation in Ireland is extremely serious. Ireland today is the touchstone internationally. The people of Ireland do not have time for this “Reds under the Bed ” crap from people like Gravenimage.
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Well, this is silly. I actually don’t consider there to be much of a threat from an actual Communist invasion, which is what “Reds under the Bed” refers to.
Of course the situation in Ireland is serious–authorities there are talking about flooding Ireland with more immigrants, of which one can assume a large number would be Muslim. This is a serious threat.
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Some estimates give the population of Ireland at present to be 80/20, with twenty per cent living in Ireland not having been born in Ireland. And with the plans to introduce a million refugees with immediate effect this can very quickly go beyond 50/50 with the natively born Irish becoming a minority.
This is a situation where political correctness becomes a major enemy.
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This is true.
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There needs to be a very serious discussion and that is why these attacks on the Belfast local council by a small number of people supported by the Media are so serious and must be totally opposed.
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True again.
Felix Quigley says
Mr O’Connor above has said that the issue must be open for discussion. However that is the great lesson being played out on Jihadwatch very, very regularly now. People like Gravenimage are not prepared to discuss issues with a Marxist. This is beyond unfortunate. This is in actual fact sheer treason to the cause of fighting to destroy Islam.
Everything was going along as it normally does on Jihadwatch. The ancient nation and civilization of Ireland is being gravely endangered by a deliberate policy. But by whom?
The normal run of things on these sites like Jihadwatch is that the fault lies with socialism and this plays into the “reds under the bed” narrative that people like Gravenimage and Wellington defecate daily and hourly.
Enter myself in this case. A few minutes research brought up the article I quoted from The Irish News. It took me a few minutes to locate this article. Anybody could have done it. The response from them to this article and what it tells us about the reality of the situation….SILENCE!
The article in the Irish News is really about Wylie and how rather than being some kind of socialist is a leading light in the capitalist world in Ireland.
And it is Wylie who is leading in the promotion of this witchhunt against Bunting.
I might add that Sinn Fein/IRA has never been a true socialist movement and today it is totally in the pocket, it would seem, of Angela Merkel. The Social Democratic and Labour Party was never socialist either.
These are all great lessons. People can give themselves any name whatsoever but that can be very deceiving. In fact in history the ruling capitalist class has in the past often set up their own “socialist” parties. Deception throughout history has always been the name of the game in the war of the ruling capitalist class against the working class.
I think the working class in Ireland are being deceived hugely by the ruling capitalist class, that is the class with its hands on power.
In replying to this, if she replies, I would ask Gravenimge to address the reality that Ireland today is in huge danger of liquidating itself as a nation. And proposes what in the face of this?
gravenimage says
Yet more from Felix Quigley:
Mr O’Connor above has said that the issue must be open for discussion. However that is the great lesson being played out on Jihadwatch very, very regularly now. People like Gravenimage are not prepared to discuss issues with a Marxist.
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Actually, I have spent a fair amount of time here addressing Felix Quigley’s issues. What he means is that I am not advocating Communism as he demands I and others do.
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This is beyond unfortunate. This is in actual fact sheer treason to the cause of fighting to destroy Islam.
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No, opposing Communism–and Fascism and Islam–is not “treason”. I am part Irish myself, and I want to see Ireland free, not under the heel of *any* ugly totalitarianism.
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Everything was going along as it normally does on Jihadwatch. The ancient nation and civilization of Ireland is being gravely endangered by a deliberate policy. But by whom?
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Right now, mostly invading Muslims, abetted by foolish dhimmis in authority. Really, this situation is not peculiar to Ireland; it is grimly quite common throughout much of the West.
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The normal run of things on these sites like Jihadwatch is that the fault lies with socialism and this plays into the “reds under the bed” narrative that people like Gravenimage and Wellington defecate daily and hourly.
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Well, this is just ludicrous. I have never said that Muslims are Socialists. Some of the dhimmis are, of course, but not all of them.
And Wellington and I actually spend little time here discussing Communism, because these days very few are flogging this totalitarian creed. Felix Quigley is, thankfully, one of the only ones.
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Enter myself in this case. A few minutes research brought up the article I quoted from The Irish News. It took me a few minutes to locate this article. Anybody could have done it. The response from them to this article and what it tells us about the reality of the situation….SILENCE!
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Well, I had to dig around to find out what Felix Quigley was talking about here. He linked above to a story in the Irish Times that reported that Suzanne Wylie won a business award. I suppose this is Felix Quigley trying to pretend that Islamophilia and dhimmitude are linked to free enterprise.
This would be absurd in any case–traditionally those countries with the freest markets have also been free from Islam.
But this is a particularly absurd claim to make re Wylie. Far from being a business woman working in the private sector, Wylie was given the award for her delivery of services as unelected head of the Belfast City Council. The article is quite clear.
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The article in the Irish News is really about Wylie and how rather than being some kind of socialist is a leading light in the capitalist world in Ireland.
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Well, this is just ridiculous. What is Capitalist about using public monies to provide government services?
What Wylie is doing has nothing to do with Capitalism. Does Felix Quigley not understand what private enterprise is, or does he just hope that we don’t know?
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And it is Wylie who is leading in the promotion of this witchhunt against Bunting.
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This is true–but pretending that her actions against Bunting are somehow “Capitalist” because Wylie is doling out public monies to government programs is just absurd.
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I might add that Sinn Fein/IRA has never been a true socialist movement and today it is totally in the pocket, it would seem, of Angela Merkel. The Social Democratic and Labour Party was never socialist either.
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Well, I assumed that Sinn Fein and the IRA just weren’t Communist enough for Felix Quigley, and so it is.
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These are all great lessons. People can give themselves any name whatsoever but that can be very deceiving. In fact in history the ruling capitalist class has in the past often set up their own “socialist” parties. Deception throughout history has always been the name of the game in the war of the ruling capitalist class against the working class.
I think the working class in Ireland are being deceived hugely by the ruling capitalist class, that is the class with its hands on power.
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Of course, there is nothing “Capitalist” about importing huge numbers of ravening Muslims. Generally, this has been done more by self-proclaimed Socialists than anyone else–although they are not the only ones.
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In replying to this, if she replies, I would ask Gravenimge to address the reality that Ireland today is in huge danger of liquidating itself as a nation. And proposes what in the face of this?
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I would propose the same things for Ireland as for any nation in the West. First, stopping the flood of Muslims into the country. Then, assuring that there are solid laws against the Islamic erosion of Irish values and the rule of law in the form of laws against things like FGM and Shari’ah courts. Then, the beginning of deportation, beginning with the worst Jihadists. I have said this many times.
Educating about the threat of Islam, of course, needs to proceed any of these actions. That is why Irish patriots like Jolene Bunting being allowed to speak out is so important.
Felix Quigley says
More of this old crap here from Gravenimage. The intention is to bore everybody into submission. That is the method she uses when stuck for an answer. It is used by all these types. It is essentially lying and against the spirit of a real discussion. It involves simply taking a post by somebody, doing a copy, then it is simple to break it all up and insert answers which are non answers, copy the whole thing again and paste. By that time everybody has gone asleep.
To answer the whole thing as she did (I would make a copy of her copy) well I leave you to imagine how boring it would get.
Not prepared to play that game. It leads nowhere.
In one of these above Gravenimage says she has answered and made points on the situation in Ireland. A lie an absolute lie. She can contribute nothing and did not.
Do not be diverted by these kinds of people. Ireland is the touchstone. Time is running out. That (time) is what Gravenimage is seeking to divert from.
gravenimage says
Still more from Felix Quigley:
More of this old crap here from Gravenimage. The intention is to bore everybody into submission. That is the method she uses when stuck for an answer. It is used by all these types. It is essentially lying and against the spirit of a real discussion. It involves simply taking a post by somebody, doing a copy, then it is simple to break it all up and insert answers which are non answers, copy the whole thing again and paste. By that time everybody has gone asleep.
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Felix Quigley can certainly find my addressing his concerns line by line seriously dull if he so desires–I know he much prefers interminable Marxist dialectic.
But note that he does not say how my addressing his points is “lying”. He is, as always, unable to point to anything that I said that was untrue. What he means is that he was unhappy that I did not flog Communism as he is.
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To answer the whole thing as she did (I would make a copy of her copy) well I leave you to imagine how boring it would get.
Not prepared to play that game. It leads nowhere.
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In other words, Felix Quigley cannot answer anything I said. No surprise there.
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In one of these above Gravenimage says she has answered and made points on the situation in Ireland. A lie an absolute lie. She can contribute nothing and did not.
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Wait–is Felix Quigley now saying that ending Muslims flooding into Ireland would accomplish nothing? That there is no reason to bar the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law there? That deporting Jihadists is a bad thing? That we should not attempt to educate people about the threat of Islam?
I cannot believe that of him. Even though he wants to subject the Irish to the horrors of Communist totalitarianism, he has *never* supported Jihad and Shari’ah.
I can only suppose that my opposition to Communism has so unhinged him that he is now unable to support standing against Islam. That was, indeed, Felix Quigley’s sole redeeming feature–until now, at least. Really, this is just sad.
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Do not be diverted by these kinds of people. Ireland is the touchstone. Time is running out. That (time) is what Gravenimage is seeking to divert from.
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Yes–time *is* running out–for Ireland and much of the rest of the West–I have never tried to divert from this–just the opposite, in fact. Demanding that we impose an obscure from of totalitarianism, however, is both appalling on its own and a diversion from actually standing up against the threat of Jihad.
There are not enough Trotskyites in Ireland to take over there by dint of numbers, nor are the few who do exist well enough armed to take over by way of bloody violence.
Pretending that Infidels cannot take a stand against the threat of Islam without first embracing the horrors of other totalitarian systems is, indeed, itself a diversion–and a particularly ugly one.
Felix Quigley says
Gravenimage
Say something original or shut up. Do you do anything other than troll me. Oh, of course not, your politics are out of the Joe mcCarthy gutter!
Back to the suspension of Jolene Bunting.
I said at the beginning that it does not matter what are the politics of Bunting. Bunting can be the most raging Fascist ever (she is not!) and I would still be calling for her defence, because we cannot allow these nobodies on Belfast City Council to take the law into their own hands and stop her right to a political viewpoint.
It seems that Bunting has been suspended by a largely anonymous set of people in Ireland who have used the machinery of “hate speech” laws to suspend her.
As a Marxist, as a Trotskyist, I need to go no further. On that basis alone I take a position and I defend her against these forces.
This is a long tradition of Marxism, of Leninism and of Trotskyism (all of which are distinct from Stalinism)
So I place my opposition to this campaign against Bunting, also against Britain First, against the suspension of Bunting which is clearly organized, much of it behind the scenes, by every political force and every political party in the north of Ireland.
This is clear in this…https://nipso.org.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Interim-Adjudication-Hearing-Final-Decision-Councillor-Bunting.pdf
The breakdown of these forces that I (as a Marxist and Trotskyist) is so opposed to is shown in how they all (above forces) reacted to a leaflet put out in South Belfast.
The leaflet was about the danger of Islam in the world. This is why I made a reference above to the vital importance of understanding the real history of Islam. Yes Marxism and Trotskyism must and does stand for that in as precise a way as possible. I referenced the history of Islam by Robert Spencer. I am not sectarian…I work with others.
The reaction to this leaflet has the great advantage in demonstrating very clearly the massive forces in the Government of the north of Ireland who are ranged against Bunting. First of all there is the police force of the north of Ireland who labelled the leaflet as “hate crime”.
Then this follows in a local report…https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/jolene-bunting-defence-of-antiislamic-leaflet-delivered-to-belfast-homes-atrocious-36799027.html
“Alliance representative Kate Nicholl stated she “could not believe” something which is being treated by police as a hate crime could be described by a member of the chamber as “information”.
“What councillor Bunting has just said is atrocious. Leadership is about condemning hatred and that is something all of us should be doing,” she said.
Chris McGimpsey of the Ulster Unionists said the leaflets were racist, Islamophobic and should be condemned.
Sinn Fein’s Deirdre Hargey said racism and Islamophobia have no place in Belfast and challenged those who distributed the leaflets to come forward and explain themselves.
SDLP councillor Donal Lyons said it was time everyone recognised that “words have consequences” and he referenced several arson attacks across Belfast in recent times where minority communities have been targeted.
“There is a clear line between freedom of speech and incitement to hatred. This has plenty of standards internationally and locally and I believe these leaflets and some of the comments made here cross over that line.
“This really is a sordid little affair and some members of this room need to take cognisance of that and just stop.” ”
As I thought…them all
The police
Ulster Unionists
Alliance
Sinn Fein
SDLP
With Bunting and defending her right to free speech, and defending the right of free speech of Britain First, Tommy Robinson, and all…me who is a Trotskyist and a Marxist.
Gravenimage in her attacks on me has missed the central point, which is that I following a long tradition in Marxism, which is Trotskyism, is opposed to the capitalist state deciding who can or can not speak freely. That is the defence of free speech. It is unconditional.
If Gravenimage agrees with me on that then who all these lies against me.
Felix Quigley says
“If Gravenimage agrees with me on that then who all these lies against me.”
A typo…it should of course be “Why all these lies against me”.
It is still the same issue though. If I, identifying myself as a Marxist and a Trotskyist out of all the political forces in the north of Ireland, come out in clear defence of Bunting and her right to free speech, and completely opposing every one of these forces on Belfast City Council….then why would I be opposed and lied about on Jihadwatch by people like Gravenimage.
Would she have preferred that I adopt a false name (like her) and hide my political origination. Would that have been better for Gravenimage and her likes who is really a born again Joe McCarthy type. She may deny that. But actions speak louder. That is what she does.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley wrote:
Gravenimage
Say something original or shut up. Do you do anything other than troll me.
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It is true that many of the arguments for freedom and against totalitarianism are not original–they have a long and justly respected history.
Of course, arguments for Communism are not original at this point, either.
But novelty should not be the issue here, but the soundness of the ideas. Freedom and liberty have a successful track record of human rights and freedom; Communism has, along with Fascism and Islam, a dismal record of oppression and murder.
Certainly, the arguments against the horrors of Islam are not new, either–that makes them no less sound.
Most notably, mark that Felix Quigley insists that I shut up if I do not offer what he would consider original ideas in defense of freedom. Trying to pass himself off as a defender of freedom of speech is obviously absurd here.
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Oh, of course not, your politics are out of the Joe mcCarthy gutter!
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Only Felix Quigley would consider a defense of freedom to be “gutter”. *Ugh*.
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Back to the suspension of Jolene Bunting.
I said at the beginning that it does not matter what are the politics of Bunting. Bunting can be the most raging Fascist ever (she is not!) and I would still be calling for her defence, because we cannot allow these nobodies on Belfast City Council to take the law into their own hands and stop her right to a political viewpoint.
It seems that Bunting has been suspended by a largely anonymous set of people in Ireland who have used the machinery of “hate speech” laws to suspend her.
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As a Marxist, as a Trotskyist, I need to go no further. On that basis alone I take a position and I defend her against these forces.
This is a long tradition of Marxism, of Leninism and of Trotskyism (all of which are distinct from Stalinism)
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Actually, Marxism has a dismal tradition of *crushing* freedom of speech. It is, in fact, notorious for just that. How many have wound up in the Gulags or prisons of Communist countries for just this? Nice to see that Felix Quigley is willing to make an exception in Jolene Bunting’s case, though.
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This is clear in this…https://nipso.org.uk/site/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Interim-Adjudication-Hearing-Final-Decision-Councillor-Bunting.pdf
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Thanks for digging up this document.
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I am not sectarian…I work with others.
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Only if those others either praise the horrors of Communism–or at the very least stay very, very quiet about them.
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https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/jolene-bunting-defence-of-antiislamic-leaflet-delivered-to-belfast-homes-atrocious-36799027.html
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Yes–characterizing criticism of the brutality of Islam–including the savage beheading of Lee Rigby–as “antisemitic” is just grotesque.
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Gravenimage in her attacks on me has missed the central point, which is that I following a long tradition in Marxism, which is Trotskyism, is opposed to the capitalist state deciding who can or can not speak freely. That is the defence of free speech. It is unconditional.
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Well, this is just laughable. Even given the recent shameful crushing of freedom of speech we are seeing in the West–which has *nothing* to do with Capitalism–the West is still far freer than is Communism. Is Felix Quigley pretending that North Koreans and Cubans enjoy freedom of speech?
In fact, the greatest freedom of speech has been enjoyed in the Capitalist West. That this is being eroded now is something I stand against.
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If Gravenimage agrees with me on that then who all these lies against me.
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Of course I agree with Felix Quigley on freedom of speech for Jolene Bunting. The idea that this means I have to wink at his defense of oppressive Communism is absurd, though.
And in all his excessive verbiage here, note that he is *still* unable to point to a single untruth on my part.
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“If Gravenimage agrees with me on that then who all these lies against me.”
A typo…it should of course be “Why all these lies against me”.
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That’s fine–I knew what you meant.
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It is still the same issue though. If I, identifying myself as a Marxist and a Trotskyist out of all the political forces in the north of Ireland, come out in clear defence of Bunting and her right to free speech, and completely opposing every one of these forces on Belfast City Council….then why would I be opposed and lied about on Jihadwatch by people like Gravenimage.
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*Still* unable to point to anything that is untrue…
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Would she have preferred that I adopt a false name (like her) and hide my political origination. Would that have been better for Gravenimage and her likes who is really a born again Joe McCarthy type. She may deny that. But actions speak louder. That is what she does.
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I use a pen name because I draw Muhammed cartoons. We saw what happened to cartoonist Molly Norris, who had to go into hiding (and change her name, incidentally) because the FBI was unable to protect her from Jihad death threats. I have no desire to go through what this poor artist has gone through.
And no–I do not hide my political orientation–I have always been for freedom, and opposed to all forms of totalitarianism.
And of course I never called for Felix Quigley to hide his “political origination”. He has every right to speak out for the imposition of Communism; and I have every right to oppose this ugliness. That is how freedom of speech works.
WPM says
So if “hate speech laws ” is a tool of the” capitalist ” to silence “Marxist Trotskyist” free speech why is it used only to protect Islam in the west.” Trotskyist Marxist ” ideas are freely discuss on colleges in the west for years. The communist party is still alive in Italy ,and communist ideas are still floated in many socialist parties in many parts of Europe. You seem to claim that capitalist are forming a plot to have Islam take over the world to free it from “Marxist Trotskyist” utopia it could become ?When the Iran revolution took place in the late 1970s Islam used communist supports to get the Islamics into power afterwards the Islamics kill off the communist supports .Many of the pro Islamic groups in the United States have members with close ties to communist groups. You have appeasing members of many political parties in America and Europe to Islamism ,why are those opposed to Islam always called Fascist and far right by those appeasers? Why the label of far right always throw at them by the appeasers? It could it being called far right racist in 2018 is worst then being called a communist in the western MSM? Why are far right parties label so, only on there policy on Moslem refugee immigration? The Marxist Trotskyist” or communist ,or any other label you put on it lost a lot of its political clout with working class people of the world in the last 30 years. In America and Europe the progressive left seems to have thrown their support for importing Moslem refugees to help support their voting base to the determent of the “native ” working class population. who have turn their own backs toward communist political parties in the last 30 years. Where in the world has a Moslem run country embraced capitalist style democratic government in the last 240 years like America??Has any Islamic majority country been run on an America style government anywhere? The only country I know in the Middle East that comes close to an America style of government is Israel .
Felix Quigley says
WPM most of what you say above is correct to a large extent except that…
When I write I know what I am saying and I write precisely.
When I say “Communism” I mean Trotskyism and not Stalinism but you use the word “Communist” when in reality you are talking about “Stalinism”. Such as you reference the communists that helped Khomeini to power in 1979 when in fact it was the Stalinist Tudeh Party. These are the “small” things that make discussion nearly impossible.
It is like talking to somebody who does not know the history of Islam. You can never get anywhere. It is necessary to know the history of socialism also.
gravenimage says
Fine post, WPM.
Felix Quigley says
Gravenimage tells lies or else her mind leaves her.
I have been fighting against Islam in a concrete manner since the struggle of the Serbs led by Milosevic against Izetbegovic began in the late 1980s. That is a long time. Why would I be stopping that now?
It is absurd what she wrote above.
Even here it is obvious I am supporting Bunting and defending Britain First on the basis of their opposition to Islam.
The word absurd does not describe the stuff she is capable of coming out with.
Oh by the way she is wont to quote me and say then she agrees. But I do not want her agreement. I want nothing at all from Gravenimage because I see her as a fascist in the same boat as Hitler in his Mein Kamph.
Felix Quigley says
It is very unfortunate that I am forced to fight on two places concerning this dastardly attack by all the parties in Belfast on Jolene Bunting.
The first place is on Jihadwatch itself and to answer these lies agaisnt me by Gravenimage, who is obviously trolliong me, since she hates Marxism etcetera. Her hatred of Marxism, of socialism, is straight out of Mein Kamph.
And the second place is with all the parties in Belfast City Council.
As I pointed out above they are…
“The police
Ulster Unionists
Alliance
Sinn Fein
SDLP”
The police of Northern Ireland made a truthful leaflet a “hate crime”
the rest of the above parties followed the police like little lap dogs. That includes Sinn Fein.
Still there needs to be a strategy to fight this and to protect the rights of free speech, firstly of Jolene Bunting, secondly of everybody.
It is in this as I said above that the recently published book by Robert Spencer is of very great importance.
On September 21 I wrote of the great educational value in this context of knowing the actual history of Islam…
“The right to free speech is today the right to explain the history of Islam. If people know the history of Islam then they will know that the aims of Islam today to control all countries is not an accident but is normal. So the real answer to this persecution of the right to free speech is to make this history known to one and all. Therefore the recent book by Robert Spencer “The History of Jihad: From Muhammad to ISIS” assumes massive importance. This is not a dry academic exercise. It simply tells the true story of Islam from beginning to end, to the present, enabling people to understand this present.”
That at least would be a start. It is not everything because there is also a need for the defense of nation against globalism, which cuts across (and I think subsumes) the issue of Islam, but is greater than the issue of Islam.
For example Trump has not built the wall and whether his fault or not he goes into the critical mid term elections with refugees streaming in, and because of that may be defeated in November.
Meanwhile the above parties I listed are traitors. Sinn Fein are traitors to the people of Ireland. The Britain First is pulverized with its leaders in jail. Tommy Robinson is up again on Thursday and may return to the Tower. Jolene Bunting is cast out.
So the strategy of the enemy is clear. They remove the leaders.m And the ruling class is doing this by means of the betrayal of such as above I have listed.
It is not so hard to understand what is happening. But very difficult to change.
gravenimage says
And yet more from Felix Quigley:
Gravenimage tells lies or else her mind leaves her.
I have been fighting against Islam in a concrete manner since the struggle of the Serbs led by Milosevic against Izetbegovic began in the late 1980s. That is a long time. Why would I be stopping that now?
It is absurd what she wrote above.
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Well, this re the Serbs is true–I have seen posts from Felix Quigley about the Serbs on other sites.
This does not explain why he is saying “In one of these above Gravenimage says she has answered and made points on the situation in Ireland. A lie an absolute lie. She can contribute nothing and did not” re my suggesting that Ireland stop Muslim immigration, pass laws against Shari’a law, and deport Jihadists.
Even if he thinks that these suggestions do not go far enough–that is, I am not preaching a Trotskyite revolution in Ireland–it still is unclear why he would say that such suggestions have nothing to do with the situation in Ireland. It is, in fact, the presence of Muslims there and their pressing for Shari’ah that is the problem, along with violent Jihad.
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Even here it is obvious I am supporting Bunting and defending Britain First on the basis of their opposition to Islam.
The word absurd does not describe the stuff she is capable of coming out with.
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Of course, Felix Quigley is unable to say in what way my suggestions are absurd. I do not, of course, really expect any clarification.
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Oh by the way she is wont to quote me and say then she agrees. But I do not want her agreement.
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Well, of course not. It interferes with his narrative about me. But I agree with any ideas that are decent and sane. There are few enough of these from Felix Quigley, but I like to acknowledge them when they are to be found.
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I want nothing at all from Gravenimage because I see her as a fascist in the same boat as Hitler in his Mein Kamph (sic).
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Well, this is just grotesque. Where did Hitler ever praise freedom and democracy? He just regarded Communism a rival to his own totalitarian creed (which was not that different, in any case–recall that “Nazism” is a contraction of “National Socialism”. Moreover, I have never advocated violence towards Communists as the Fascists did–I just think their ugly creed should be thoroughly exposed, as I am doing here.
Note that Felix Quigley does not say how an avowed antipathy to Fascism is–somehow–Fascism itself. Nor, of course, is he able to do so.
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It is very unfortunate that I am forced to fight on two places concerning this dastardly attack by all the parties in Belfast on Jolene Bunting.
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Well, of course–Felix Quigley would *much* prefer that those here simply bow to a desire to impose Communism on them. So sorry–that is not going to happen.
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The first place is on Jihadwatch itself and to answer these lies agaisnt me by Gravenimage, who is obviously trolliong me, since she hates Marxism etcetera. Her hatred of Marxism, of socialism, is straight out of Mein Kamph (sic).
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Is Felix Quigley every going to say what these supposed lies are? After all this verbiage, I certainly doubt it…
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Still there needs to be a strategy to fight this and to protect the rights of free speech, firstly of Jolene Bunting, secondly of everybody.
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If Felix Quigley believes in freedom of speech, why is he demanding that I shut up?
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It is in this as I said above that the recently published book by Robert Spencer is of very great importance.
On September 21 I wrote of the great educational value in this context of knowing the actual history of Islam…
“The right to free speech is today the right to explain the history of Islam…
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As I noted, the right to free speech goes way beyond being able to speak the truth about Islam.
He is certainly right about the value of Spencer’s book, though.
As for the US border wall, construction has now begun in Texas.
gravenimage says
Given that Felix Quigley is now beginning to repeat himself, I will likely leave this here–unless he actually addresses any of the points I made.
Felix Quigley says
I wrote Sept 23
“The reaction to this leaflet has the great advantage in demonstrating very clearly the massive forces in the Government of the north of Ireland who are ranged against Bunting. First of all there is the police force of the north of Ireland who labelled the leaflet as “hate crime”.
The leaflet itself can be found by searching under these words “Belfast Telegraph Jolene Bunting leaflet”
It has a picture of Lee Rigby with the words “Lest we forget”
It has a list of Islam attacks and includes Rotherham bringing up the Islam rape gang issue.
It has a prediction of British being in the minority by 2066. The figures of this for Ireland are far worse because of the small population of Ireland to start with. The Irish will indeed be a minority. We do not know exactly when. It is a warning. So the leaflet is very relevant. There is NO hate at all in this leaflet.
So when you stop and look at the leaflet and it simply warns about essentially immigration both legal and illegal imigration, and esentially of serious and rapid demographic change, the leaflet covers a very serious issue and must be defended.
Felix Quigley says
I want to point out my position as a final gesture. People are in jail, people are being banned from entering UK by May, Tommy Robinson was nearly murdered in prison and is up before the Stat Chamber this Thursday, Jolene Bunting faces massive forces against her.
So what is socialism and what is a socialist. My basic position is that if a person does not defend these, regardless of political agreement or not, then they are no socialist.