Has Mr Justice Haddon-Cave ever actually read the Qur’an? Almost certainly not; otherwise he wouldn’t have gone on record with this spectacularly asinine and counterfactual statement.
Is the Qur’an really a book of peace?
“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out; persecution is worse than slaughter. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is all-forgiving, all-compassionate. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.” (Qur’an 2:191-193)
“They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore do not take friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, seize them and kill them wherever you find them; do not take for yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
“This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth to do corruption there: they shall be killed, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall be struck off on opposite sides; or they shall be exiled from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.” (Qur’an 5:33)
“When your Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers; so strike the necks, and strike every finger of them!” (Qur’an 8:12)
“Fight them, till there is no persecution and religion is all for Allah; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.” (Qur’an 8:39)
“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to strike terror into the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.” (Qur’an 8:60)
“Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” (Qur’an 9:5)
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29)
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.” (Qur’an 9:111)
“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.” (Qur’an 9:123)
“When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.” (Qur’an 47:4)
How have Muslims throughout history understood these passages? They took them as meaning “Give the unbelievers a big hug, chuck them on the shoulder, and buy them a chocolate malt,” right? Unfortunately, the historical record is not quite so full of laughter and sunshine. Find out how Muslims throughout history have actually understood the Qur’an’s exhortations to warfare in my new book, The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, which you can order here.
“Downing Street terror plotter who planned to ‘take the head off’ PM is jailed,” by Ben Gelblum, The London Economic, August 31, 2018:
A “clever and cunning” would-be suicide bomber who plotted to attack Downing Street and assassinate Theresa May has been jailed for a minimum of 30 years.
Naa’imur Zakariyah Rahman, 21, was “religiously driven to mass carnage” and planned to “take the head off” the Prime Minister.
But he was foiled by MI5 spies who posed online as ISIS fighters.
Rahman was today jailed for life and will serve at least three decades in jail after a judge branded him a “very dangerous individual”.
His plans also included to murder the Prime Minister with a suicide vest and a drone strike at the Houses of Parliament.
Sentencing at the Old Bailey Mr Justice Haddon-Cave said: “Rahman is a very dangerous individual and it’s difficult to predict when, or if, he will become deradicalised.”
“I firmly conclude Rahman is ‘dangerous’ within the meaning of the 2003 Act, in particular because of his long-standing and entrenched extremist mindset.”
The judge added: “You will have plenty of time to study the Koran in prison in the years to come.
“You should understand that the Koran is a book of peace. Islam is a religion of peace.
“The Koran upholds the sanctity of life, the Koran and Islam forbid anything extreme, including extremism in religion.
“Islam forbids breaking the law of the land where one is living or a guest.
“You have violated the Koran and Islam by your actions as well as the laws of all civilised people.
“It is hoped you will come to realise this one day.”…
“I want to do a suicide bomb on Parliament,” Rahman told the MI5 role players.
“I want to attempt to kill Theresa May. All I need now is a sleeper cell to lay low for now.”
Rahman carried out research on potential targets, undertaking reconnaissance of Whitehall on November 18.
He then bought a Carbrini back from Argos two days later, before he met an undercover cop so it could be packed with explosives.
But he was arrested on November 28 just moments after police handed him the fake pressure cooker bomb, replica pepper spray and a fake bomb-filled puffa jacket.
The trial heard Rahman had sent messages in an app called Telegram, asking a user called Amir: “Can you put me in a sleeper cell ASAP?
“I want to do a suicide bomb on parliament.
“I want to attempt to kill Theresa May.”
He also wrote: “My objective is to take out my target. Nothing less than the death of the leaders of parliament.”…
JH says
My brother was stabbed to death (stabbed 59 times) and yet the one who did it was told he has to do at least 22 yrs. This idiot only threatened May and he has got at least 30yrs.
My brother can’t come back, May is somehow still alive, there is definatly one law for the traitors who know nothing about life as we know it, yet they run the country, mess up our lives with their treason but if you threaten them you get more time than a killer (I am not sticking up for the scum and never will – just thought I would make that clear, and yes I DO hate muslims and all they stand for and nothing will change that ever)
Joe Felon says
you are entirely correct my friend. leftist traitor politicians will never have to leave anywhere near the child molesting, murderous islamic animals they have brought to europe with reckless abandon, to satisfy some sick sense of social justice. the only time muslims face real prison time is when their jihad is directed at the very politicians causing the migration epidemic in the first place. sadly, the lives of ordinary citizens matter not. the left is more concerned with offending the animalistic muslims then protecting the lives of their people.
Leon Degney says
So sorry for the loss of your brother, made worse no doubt, due to the fact it was something that would not have happened if the traitorous left-wing government hadn’t allowed these lunatics into the country in the first place. I totally agree with you that there are double standards when it comes to applying the law.
gravenimage says
I am so sorry this happened to your brother, JH.
J D S says
So sorry for your loss….how sad…not only that the one who killed your brother only got a lighter sentence than the one who only threatened May but the sadness is the fact that atrocious acts could most likely have been prevented IF so called leaders would have taken action years ago. But no…they caved in to Muslims and the left socialist..Their day is coming though and I would not want to be in their shoes in that awful Lake of Fire.
Anne Smith says
Many people in the Conservative Party are actually quite disappointed that he didn’t succeed !!
Elizabeth Taylor says
When I studied the Qur’an, I did not see much difference between that and the Bible…however, I am not an Arab who have cultural differences that lead to different understandings…In addition, I have not spent the last 60 years of indoctrination into the “jihadi” mentality. I have, however, recognized the lowering of humanitarian values and the immature reasoning of those indoctrinated by the Progressives…
Lynne says
I’m so sad for you. Often justice isn’t just.
JH says
My brother was stabbed to death (stabbed 59 times) and yet the one who did it was told he has to do at least 22 yrs. This idiot only threatened May and he has got at least 30yrs.
My brother can’t come back, May is somehow still alive, there is definatly one law for the traitors who know nothing about life as we know it, yet they run the country, mess up our lives with their treason but if you threaten them you get more time than a killer (I am not sticking up for the scum and never will – just thought I would make that clear, and yes I DO NOT like the nor what they stand for and nothing will change that ever)
mortimer says
Agree with JH. Those at the top are surrounded by security agents and police, but we at the bottom are side by side with the jihadists wherever we go and Western governments are bringing more and more jihadists in… thus increasing the risk to the ordinary person !!!
Paul Weston calls such SELL-OUT POLITICIANS “THE TRAITOR CLASS”.
I have no doubt that many in the TRAITOR CLASS have been bribed by Gulf oil money to defend Islam from scrutiny and criticism.
Robert Rossi says
While the so called holy book wishes murder against nonbelievers etc , we shouldn’t be putting them in prison they shouldn’t be allowed in our country .
Roger woodhouse says
The last thing this scumbag needs is more teaching from the ‘holy’Koran.Its just full of murderous comments which the imams use in prison to ‘convert’the low life there.Just proves how completely out of touch our judiciary is.
R Russell says
I wonder if we can find out his address and send him dozens of Korans and even some Hadiths.
But would he read them?
Michael Copeland says
Judge Sir Charles Haddon-Cave was formerly a member of:
Quadrant Chambers, tel. +44 20 7583 4444
10 Fleet Street,
London EC4Y iAU
They would surely forward mail to him.
R Russell says
many thanks Michael
Tom Jacobson says
I believe Reliance of the Traveler is the text to recommend. Much easier to read than Quran or Hadith and can find specific topics quickly….and it often quotes pertinent Quranic/Hadith passages.
Walter Sieruk says
For some strange unknown reason judge Haddon -Cave feels that he is an expert of the Qu ‘ran.
The Qu’ ran has had inspired and cause the birth of what is called “Radical Islamic Terrorism” , which is very much based on religion. The religion of Islam For Islam’s “holy book” the Qur ‘an [the Koran] instructs on the use of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As found in ,for example 2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4. Furthermore, it may be illustrated that if Islam is represented as a tree then the fruits then the fruits of that tree are the many brutal, violent and deadly jihad terror entities. Such as ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, al Shabaab , Hamas, Hezbollah, P.I.J. etc. With this statement, the Wisdom of the teachings of Jesus may, very much, apply to this subject. For Jesus taught “Ye do know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” After saying this Jesus told them what He told them when He said “By their fruit ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:16, 17, 18,.20. [K.J.V.] In conclusion, Islam is a corrupt tree and also a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14:6. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. 5:12,13,20.
Nabi says
Not surprising: Lawyers convince themselves they’re experts on everything. Judges get used to making the final decisions in all kinds of situations where they have zero expertise–one of the horrible flaws in the system.
rooare says
We in the west believe peace is to coexist with those we may disagree with. Not so in Islam peace for the Muslim is when the entire world is subjugated under sharia as per Islam’s holy books.
Phil Copson says
Haddon-Cave came out with the same load of lying, deceptive hog-wash when he sentenced the London Underground bomber Hassan Ahmed a few months ago.
One has to assume that British judges, politicians, civil servants etc all get their “knowledge” of the Koran from the islamist groups they give public money to, such as “Tell Mama”.
Michael Copeland says
Bruce Bawer refers to “smug and ignorant fools” in his review of Robert Spencer’s “History of Jihad”.
mortimer says
Yup, MC, ‘smug and ignorant’ sums this up.
It is PREPOSTEROUS that one who has not read the Koran, hadiths and Sira presumes to know what is in them.
The Islamic Trilogy has been endlessly studied and the contents are NOT UNKNOWN to us NOR ARE THEY ‘MYSTERIOUS’.
Haddon-Cave has NO EXCUSE for making such an uninformed comment.
I re-emphasize that ALL THE ‘PEACEFUL’ verses of the ‘Koran of Mecca’ have been ABROGATED by the warlike verses in the ‘Koran of Medina’.
I urge Haddon-Cave to look up ABROGATION IN ISLAM to get his answer.
Michael Copeland says
Judge Haddon-Cave need not be lying when he says, as he said in March, that the Koran is a book of peace.
He need only be ignorant, and culpably negligent for not informing himself.
Michael Copeland says
Judge Haddon-Cave is an expert in shipping, aviation and commercial law.
None of those areas involves the Koran.
https://www.quadrantchambers.com/news/former-quadrant-chambers-member-sir-charles-haddon-cave-appointed-lord-justice-of-appeal
Rufolino says
Well, look at it this way, since the very Pope himself has declared that Islam is a peaceful religion, how could it possibly be considered not to be so !
Anne Smith says
There seems to be a very similar mindset amongst the judiciary these days, they are all like the foolish Theresa May who is fond of standing on the steps of No 10 after a Muslim outrage and telling us that Islam is a Religion of Peace.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, he will have plenty of time to study the Quran … and learn how to perfect the way of being a duplicitous, lying, maniacal, homicidal, schizophrenic, illogical, inconsistent, deceitful, misogynistic, polygamist practicing, wife-beating, slave owning, obsessive compulsive egomaniac who seeks peace for everyone, including himself, ….. after death. The question is: will that really take 30 years? He’s most of the way there already.
gravenimage says
UK judge tells jihadi: “You’ll have plenty of time to study the Qur’an in prison…the Qur’an is a book of peace”
…………………….
What an absolute idiot.
Michael Copeland says
He is like a gramophone record.
He said the same thing to the London Underground bomber in March.
gravenimage says
Then he’s a fool twice over.
mortimer says
IS THE JUDGE AN ISLAMOLOGIST or a KORANIC TEXTUAL SCHOLAR? How does he know what is in the Koran? Does the judge know that ‘peaceful’ verses in the Koran have ALL been ‘abrogated’ by the warlike verses? I wager that Haddon-Cave has NO SUCH KNOWLEDGE.
His words are SPECULATIVE, UNINFORMED RUBBISH. He should at least read the 164 JIHAD VERSES in the Koran before deciding if the Koran is WARLIKE or not.
Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’
mortimer says
NEWS FLASH FOR Justice Haddon-Cave … THERE ARE 164 JIHAD VERSES IN THE KORAN.
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’
mortimer says
THE KORAN is: a troop motivator, a Machiavellian hoax concocted by Arab dictators for the benefit of their own emolument and power, a plagiarized text that is self-referentially incoherent, ungrammatical, illogical and unhistorical, incomprehensible in the original text, a racist manifesto of hatred towards non-Arabs, a solicitation of murder, an anti-Semitic hate text, an anti-Christian death warrant, an extortionist’s manual, a justification for slavery, pedophilia, polygamy, rape and violence against women. The Koran appears to be the rantings of a schizophrenic. There isn’t a single useful idea in it, and much that is in it is obviously erroneous, stupid and morally repugnant. It preaches implacable hatred and endless world war against non-Muslims until victory. So long as there is this book, there will be no peace in the world. The viciousness of the Koran cannot be edited out of it for it is alleged to be the perfect, complete and eternal words of Allah, even though these words are absurd, irrational and amoral.
Yes.
-The Koran is a troop motivator.
-Every Muslim is a soldier whose prime directive is jihad.
-Jihad training takes place in every mosque.
-Every mosque teaches Islam and jihad…theology and violence.
-Islam is an excuse to hurt people in the name of Allah.
Chand says
But isn’t it also true that:
— all Muslims are not jihadis, terrorists or murderers or even violent?
— Muslims like all else cannot choose the religion of their parents?
— Koranic verses can be interpreted variously and the war passages can be seen as local Arabian history/mythology of the 7th century A.D. ?
— The Koran is not a banned book and Islam is not forbidden?
— No one is responsible for a crime committed by another?
Michael Copeland says
The Koran?
“When I have time, I must put it into German so that every man may see what a foul and shameful book it is.”
Martin Luther
See “Book Reviews: The Koran”
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/book-reviews-koran
TKF says
The Koran he was reading was concerning Fantasy Islam, the Islam people like this oblivious judge wishes existed, as opposed to the one that actually does exist. You know, the violent, misogynist, homophobic, supremacist, backwards, bloodthirsty, jihad as holy war, genital mutilating, child molesting one. Hey judge, this troglodyte was fed a steady diet of the freaking Koran at every meal since he was in suicide-diapers. Pull your head out. You think you know more about his religion’s holy book than you? Ground control to Justice Haddon-Cave, what planet are you currently on?.
TKF says
Typo…..The Koran he was reading was concerning Fantasy Islam, the Islam people like this oblivious judge wishes existed, as opposed to the one that actually does exist. You know, the violent, misogynist, homophobic, supremacist, backwards, bloodthirsty, jihad as holy war, genital mutilating, child molesting one. Hey judge, this troglodyte was fed a steady diet of the freaking Koran at every meal since he was in suicide-diapers. Pull your head out. You think you know more about his religion’s holy book than he does? Ground control to Justice Haddon-Cave, what planet are you currently on?.
Voytek Gagalka says
Our highest (anti-)intellectual elites could not possibly be bothered with reading of anything besides absolutely incomprehensible pieces of avant-garde “literature” which no one else read or could possibly understand (ref: James Joyce). Qur’an? If such gurus as Pope Francis say all the time that it is all peace, it must apparently be so, is it not?
Leon Degney says
Pappa Frank is a Blue Ribbon loony. Whatever he says is not worth listening to, not worth a grain of salt. He should exit stage left and disappear right into the anal sphincter of history.
James Lincoln says
When German Nazi soldiers were captured as prisoners of war during World War II, did the Allied Forces issue them copies of Mein Kampf ???
Terry Gain says
Jams Lincoln
Brilliant. Handled carefully with white gloves.
No Muzzies Here says
Can a judge be deliberately ignorant? It’s that book that told him to kill people! He’s telling the Jihadi to read the book that taught him that it’s OK to murder?
gravenimage says
Sadly, lots of them are when it comes to Islam and the Qur’an.
Joe says
The judge was appointed to lead (not read). Ignorance is the only thing he knows.
Buck Tucker says
If the judge told the convict to watch netflix instead of reading the Holy Quran would that be considered Cruel and Unlikely Punishment?
Hugh Fitzgerald says
A Musical Interlude prompted by thoughts of Mr. Justice Sir Charles Haddon-Cave, who when he describes the Qur’an as a book of peace is merely whistling in the dark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFDlz9WwpVY
FYI says
“You’ll have plenty of time to study the koran in prison”{OBJECTION M’LUD}..
the koran is a book of peace{OVERRULED ..by anyone who has ever actually read it}
applause ..from those who know the truth about the koran{SUSTAINED}”
Calling Witness for the Defense,Mr Bergolio or ‘pope francis’..
“Authentic islam and the proper reading of the koran shows it to be opposed to EVERY known form of violence.Even using a fly swat is forbidden in islam.
{papal secretary interrupts..no no holy father,that’s the Jains…the Jains..not the muslims..}
In fact there is no such thing as islamic terrorism.That’s just being racist and islamophobic and hateful towards refugees and homeless orphans.
Despite the fact that the koran curses christians,denies Christ and ridicules Christian beliefs anyone can see that allah is the same as the Christian God.And we must all remember to embrace the NWO…look into my eyes…”
Jay says
A minimum of 30 years means a maximum of 15 years in toothless UK law. I would even bet he spends no more than 7 years in prison due to prison overcrowding with vile moslem enemy operatives of this sort. What is needed is swift, fair military tribunals with prompt humane executions of these people.
Malcolm Jackson says
Tony Blair’s treacherous Common Purpose organisation controls the British Justice System.
J. W. K. says
The judge will go off to High Tea no doubt, congratulating himself on his clever “justice.” It brgs the question if he ever READ the Qu’ran. The answer is: obviously not! Skimming allows one to skip over unpleasant passages, and bolstered by “Hearsay” he goes on his merry way, spreading the MYTH tat Islam is a religion of peace. What a travesty by a man who not only should know better, he is allowing himself and the British justice system to be played by that Evil Cult Islam to produce the tune of death and hate that they so gleefully dance to! Shame on him and shame on Theresa May for their obtuseness.
The Burqa is nothing more than the headpiece to Britain’s burial shroud.
Ade Fegan says
“…………. and when you are released i want to hear reports that you are following it to the letter”
FFS !!!!!!!
Ann says
And if he had said and done the same things to Jews and were right wing, he’d be a darling of the new “free speech” movement. At worst the great Euro defenders of Jews would have given him an 100 pound fine, the greatest cause in alt-right history (besides actually doing it to Jews), and made excuses for him..
sidney penny says
This judge may be a friend of this English other judge
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/uk-judge-tells-jihad-murderers-of-soldier-that-they-betrayed-islam-they-start-screaming-allahu-akbar-and-fighting-prison-guards.
The Imam Sweeney told them: “You each converted to Islam some years ago. Thereafter you were radicalised and each became an extremist, espousing views which, as has been said elsewhere, are a betrayal of Islam.”
Robert Spencer says:
Until British (and American) authorities come to grips with the fact that there is ample Islamic justification for such murders, and stop playing games with their Let’s Play Pretend version of Islam, there will be many more such killings.
Giacomo Latta says
Which version of the koran has the judge read? The taqiyya version?
”The koran upholds the sanctify of life”, sayeth the learned(?) judge. Well then we must all be rocks because the koran, as anyone who has read it knows, foments throat-slitting of anything that moves.
Lydia Church says
NOOOO, it’s NOT a book of ‘peace,’ it is a book of terrorism, which is what created this product of jihad to begin with! Unless he was being sarcastic, what an IDIOT!