Last Wednesday evening, I spoke at the Westminster Institute on the history of jihad, and on my new book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS. The focus of the speech was what we do not see in the history of Islam. (Hint: the things we do not see are what many, if not most, people would take for granted are there, to the extent that public policy is based on these assumptions.)
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mortimer says
WHAT MOST WESTERNERS DON’T KNOW ABOUT ISLAM that are actually NORMATIVE ISLAM:
Worst things about Islam: 1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Circular reasoning 9 Misogyny – repression of women 10 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 11 Genocide 12 Ethnic cleansing 13 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 14 Torture 15 Plundering 16 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 No music 22 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 23 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 24 Cruelty to animals 25 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 26 No historic basis 27 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 28 FGM 29 Arab racism 30 Theocratic totalitarianism 31 Vigilantism 32 Amoral, opportunistic character of Mohammed that all Muslims must imitate 33 Hatred of non-Muslims as an essential doctrine 34 History of Islam includes the genocidal murders of 270 million non-Muslims in Islamic holy wars, terrorism, persecutions and enslavement directed against non-Muslims. 35. Holy books of Islam contain more calls for violence than all other foundational religious texts.
WHAT WESTERN PEOPLE DON’T KNOW ABOUT ISLAM CAN HURT THEM.
Terry Gain says
Mortimer
I would add to your list
36 Theft of other religion’s prophets, eg Abraham and Moses. 37. Denial of the divinity of Christ 38. Advancement of the preposterous idea that God would have chosen as his prophet a man who was a murderer, mass murderer, slave taker, sexual slave-taker, misogynist, rapist and pedophile.
stan Cook says
Advancement of the preposterous idea that there is a god.
StellaSaidSo says
@Stephen Carter
Nonsense.
There are many atheists in the counter-jihad movement, and I see no evidence that they are less effective than theists.
mgoldberg says
No… the idea that the god gives sanctity to slaughtering non believers, similar to marxists and atheists who indeed did the same and do the same all too frequently.
Mind your manners.
Jimdandi says
Just wondering. What is it that convinces you that there is no God?
StellaSaidSo says
mgoldberg
‘Atheism’ simply means ‘without belief in god/s’. It does not imply adherence to any other idea. The suggestion that atheists are inclined towards murder is both erroneous and offensive. Mind your manners!
PRCS says
Stephen Carter,
Stella is right.
gravenimage says
There are Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Agnostics, Atheists, and others who are all staunch Anti-Jihadists.
PRCS says
And many more issues: too numerous to list.
J D S says
Let’s also add that muhammad (If he ever actually existed..NO HISTORIC PROOF) stole most of his writings, sayings etc. from the Old and New TESTAMENTS as well as from pagan Rituals.
FYI says
Lying too.
1.”There is no compulsion in religion”
k2:256
what about the jizya tax?Why should non-muslims be forced to pay or convert to islam?I thought there was “no compulsion” in the religion of peace!
2.”the koran confirms…the Torah and Gospel”
koran 3:3
That is a completely FALSE statement.
The teachings of the koran{which allah claims he wrote} do NOT confirm the Bible.They do not conform to the moral laws given in exodus 20:1-17 in the Bible{which allah claims he wrote see k3:3}.
In effect allah DENIES both the Torah AND the Gospel:he dismisses the whole point of the torah{obedience to God’s laws,not violating them as the koran teaches},the role of the Jews and practically everything Jesus Christ said and taught in the Gospel.
Remember,allah claims to have written the Bible.
The koran does NOT obey the words of God in the Torah{the commandments}
or the Word of God revealed in the Gospel.
Interestingly,there are Biblical prophecies that show Israel’s right to exist{in the OT},the guaranteed survival of christianity{NT} and the justice of God{which does not feature the enemies of either Israel or Christianity winning}Now,since allah claims he wrote the Bible you would think allah and his muslims would understand that.But no:in fact allah reveals unwittingly in koran 4:171 that he does not know the source of Biblical prophecy….which was revealed by Jesus in the Gospel{the same Gospel allah claims to have written!!..}
3.impersonating God:
the islamic koranic allah is NOT the same as the Judeo-Christian Biblical God
allah,it has to be admitted, is indeed “the best of deceivers”k3:54 as he has deceived millions into thinking he is God.
Either allah is 1) the same or 2)NOT the same as the Biblical God.
It is obvious allah isn’t the Biblical God.
So too the “prophet” muhammed,according to al tabari 6:111..
“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to him things he has not said”.Thanks mo!We appreciate your honesty….
muhammed- impersonating a prophet.
allah- impersonating the BiblicalGod
jibreel{“the enemy of the Jews”} impersonating an angel/Gabriel
the koran -pretending to be the word of God
Carol the 1st says
Good topic for Robert to stress and bring to the fore – Islam’s imperviousness to change and normal conscience – which is completely attested to via tales from it’s very own disgracefully proud scribes. The natural tendency is to project our thoughts, qualities, and strivings onto muslims. This is probably a 98% mistake (as one hint see Joanna’s tale below).
Questions from the audience (last 40 minutes or so) draw Robert out on issues such as:
– what should Trump say or do? (retract Obama’s refusals to identify the enemy – especially to our intelligence community) 39:55 to 43:10
– what should we do? (actually ENFORCE our laws – one law for everyone as per the beautiful Magna Carta)
– what about the spread of Sharia? (enforce the laws against teaching SEDITION)
– Robert also goes on to discuss the hijabbed huckster by name of Sarsour and the suspicious Minnesota hopeful Ellison and how he’ll most likely enable Minnesota’s Somali terrorists (Robert was probably not THAT frank)
It’s interesting to hear Roberts’ thinking. Sometimes posters go off on too many tangents.
mortimer says
THE TOPIC OF THE DAY is ‘DISHONEST HISTORIOGRAPHY’ about Islam.
ISLAMIST HISTORIES OF ISLAM ARE DISHONEST and leave inconvenient facts out.
DHIMMI HISTORIES OF ISLAM ARE DISHONEST and leave inconvenient facts out.
AGENDA-DRIVEN HISTORIOGRAPHY is unprofessional, ‘BAD’ history writing.
el Cid 2 says
So Mortimer – what is the TRUE history of Islam (as far as can be determined?).
It seems to me that 270 million dead, at the hands of Islamic Jihadi’s, might have had something to say.
It also seems to me that Western Civilization is threatened by Islam resurgent, and offers no satisfactory response.
garry pollack says
RULE #1…islam is PERFECT! U R not allowed to criticize islam!!!
RULE #2…if islam is wrong…see rule #1!!!
Carol the 1st says
Mortimer wrote “WHAT WESTERN PEOPLE DON’T KNOW ABOUT ISLAM CAN HURT THEM.”
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Talk about understatement! Islam is like quicksand and DRY QUICKSAND at that (less chance of survival). And if it’s primary victims (muslims) find a nuclear arsenal at the bottom of that sandy pit we are all likely DOOMED, DOOMED I SAY (as we *know* they’ll try to blow themselves out at our further expense – just like good mainstream martyrs are wont to do!).
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
Good list, Mortimer. Want to send a copy to Archbishop Justin ?
mortimer says
Clive, Archbishop Justin is already aware, but cautious in public comments.
StellaSaidSo says
Archbishop Justin is a globalist, like Pope Francis. We cannot expect any support from either of them.
Joanna says
The aforementioned societal/cultural/religious characteristics of Islam are indeed inherent in the personalities of most Muslims raised in Islam, though not all. My 11 year marriage proved this to me the hard way, though my husband did not demonstrate conviction to all of the above. His dedication to Islam and belief system, though he was not even aware of some of it, was sufficiently destructive to end our marriage and he was a liberal or moderate Muslim. I need not go into personal details. Just study the above list and use your intellect.
eduardo odraude says
That’s one of the scarier aspects of totalitarian Islam. It has been inculcated for so many centuries, and the inculcation often starts when the parents whisper the shahada in the baby’s ear, and thus many Muslims, as you say, are “not even aware of” their own Islamic beliefs, those beliefs are so taken for granted, because they are taken in implicitly from babyhood from the Islamic behaviors and institutions around them, and that implicit absorption is in some ways more powerful than explicit teachings. Because when the beliefs are implicit and to a large extent not consciously articulated, they are also felt to be simply “how things are,” and felt to be beyond question. It often doesn’t even occur to the Islamic mind that the beliefs could be questioned. That is of course changing, though not rapidly enough, but technology and freedom are making it harder to sleep through beliefs. So there is probably a good deal more questioning in the Islamic world now than there has been in the past. Still, the punishment for apostasy makes questioning Islam difficult in much of the Islamic world.
gravenimage says
Video: Robert Spencer at the Westminster Institute on what we DON’T see in the history of Islam
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*Very* important point–no large group of Muslims have *ever* throughout history opposed Jihad violence–and yet the West is betting its life on just that not just occurring, but *being the norm*.
On this thread–“Video: Nigel Farage grows flustered, stalks out of interview when questioned about the jihad threat”–one finds even some of those at Jihad Watch saying just the same.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/video-nigel-farage-grows-flustered-stalks-out-of-interview-when-questioned-about-the-jihad-threat
James Lincoln says
Regarding Nigel,
I believe that Nigel Farage is HOPING that he is right regarding:
–The UK winning over and successfully integrating the so-called moderate Muslims.
–A Reformation of Islam by the moderate Muslims regarding a moderate interpretation of the Koran.
–A successful fight against the radical Muslims with the moderate Muslims on the side of the UK government.
–A reawakening of the Judeo-Christian culture in the UK.
–Stoping practices condoned by Sharia law that go against UK law.
If he is WRONG, and the UK continues along its present course, it is doomed.
gravenimage says
True, James. I just meant that there are even some Jihad Watchers that also believe this.
James Lincoln says
Understand, gravenimage.
Indiana Tom says
Have not seen any of the reforms above on any scale.
James Lincoln says
Correct!
StellaSaidSo says
Nigel is reciting a script. He still has a target on his head.
A reformation of Islam may be a possibility, but it is a remote one. Nevertheless, Muslims and ex-Muslims who support the idea of reform (eg Tarek Fateh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Maajid Nawaz) should be encouraged, if only to keep the issue alive.
Nigel might not be completely in error regarding revival of Judaeo-Christian culture in UK. Churches are reporting increased attendances recently. Too little, too late, I suspect, given the craven behaviour of most church leaders, but it’s a tiny ray of hope.
If a moratorium on Muslim immigration came into effect, the UK would have the chance to integrate the Muslims who want to be integrated, and repatriate those who don’t. The only credible parties willing to consider such a policy are For Britain, and UKIP, both of whom would also put an end to sharia courts.
There are a lot of Muslims who don’t support sharia. They might not speak up publicly, but they don’t necessarily vote for Corbyn, either.
Nigel Farage was a superb advocate for BREXIT, and deserves credit for his achievement. But he lacks basic knowledge of Islam, and in 2018 there is simply no excuse for any political leader to know so little about one of the most crucial issues of our time.
James Lincoln says
StellaSaidSo,
Excellent analysis – spot on!
PRCS says
I missed that interview with Farage.
I agree with him to this extent: we cannot fight Islam (the ideology) and mere hatred of Islam is–for many of us–a motivator of sorts, it is not the solution.
So long as Shari’ah courts–wherein Islamic law DOES reign supreme–are allowed to exist in the UK (his turf) and it’s government looks the other way at the practice of those Islamic teachings which obviously DO run afoul of the UK’s man made laws–the problem will not merely remain, it will-as we know–expand.
The ideology being what it is (in its texts and the Muslim world’s collective mind), it’s NOT going to be reformed (Wahabbism/Salafism already did that).
He and others must enforce the law, stop believing the never ending excuses and equivocations about Islam, stop coddling Muslims, and quit worrying about the name calling which comes with doing that.
The UK, in particular (given its large Muslim population) could set a precedent for other similarly affected nations.
Electing a UK PM who won’t issue those idiotic “blessed eid” messages would be a good start to achieving that.
eduardo odraude says
Robert Spencer’s presentation was a tour de force.
gravenimage says
+1
j2m2 says
Moron speech:
They do not study, listen or talk about the matter.
Not able to a coherent or intelligent discourse.
Name calling: racist, bigot, islamophobe.
Limit or end the freedom of expression or others freedoms with the excuse of hate speech behavior.
Accept working with organizations that support terrorism.
Do not enforce the laws we already have about criminal activities with the excuse of freedom of religion.
Indiana Tom says
Muslims are never against a tacit support of Jihad and Sharia law.
Name one Muslim demonstration against radical violent Jihad Terrorism..
After 9-11, all of the media was focused on Islamophobia and portraying only a few Muslims supported Jihad. Did the Muslims protest 9-11?
eduardo odraude says
There have been a few protests, but they seem to have been tiny, like a dozen people. Nothing compared to the thousands or tens of thousands of Muslims who turn out to riot over Muhammad cartoons.
Indiana Tom says
But were they actually organized and led by Muslims? Not tag along Muslim protestors.
Cameron says
Where can we buy The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, besides Amazon and Bookdepository (also owned by Bezos)???
eduardo odraude says
Barnes and Nobles:
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/history+of+jihad?_requestid=463481
eduardo odraude says
This link is a bit more direct:
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-history-of-jihad-robert-spencer/1128170822?ean=9781682616598#/
Walt Remele says
Islam was invented by Satan.
steve-o says
can you make the questioners volume and clarity better?
Gordon Nichol says
Islam is a top down way of organizing society. The Qur’an comes from God and is not subject to interpretation. The emphasis is on overt behavior. If you are a Muslim, this is what you do; you do it because you are a Muslim. Belief is secondary. All Muslims do things in a certain way according to Sharia Law, which tells Muslims what to do and how to do it. A devout Muslim follows Sharia in all things. There is no individual liberty to express one’s own ideas. Islam, therefore , is against the concepts of the Declaration of Independence and is inimicable to our way of life under the Constitution.
Does the word “love” occur in the Koran or any of the Hadiths?
eduardo odraude says
A word that can be translated as “love” or “like” is used in the Qur’an, but very differently from the way the word is used in the Bible. Half or more of the uses in the Qur’an are about what Allah does not love or like. Allah’s love is not unconditional. Whereas the Christian God is said to send his light down onto the wicked and the good, and Christians are told to love even their enemies so as to be perfect as God is. Otherwise, the NT says, people are no better than tax collectors who love only those who love them.
One of the 99 names of Allah is “the loving one” or “the friendly one” — Al wadud. That is another difference with the Christian paradigm, where God is love. Where in the Qur’an Allah is not love though he sometimes is “loving” or “friendly” — but only to those who obey him and Muhammad.
Here’s an article on the Qur’an’s use of a word that is sometimes translated as “love”:
http://dune-rune.blogspot.com/2006/04/in-short-compass-qurans-attitude-to.html
gravenimage says
most of the references to love in the Qur’an involve what “Allah” does *not* love–such as unbelievers.
Lydia Church says
What we don’t see:
Love, peace, kindness, patience, understanding, tolerance, romance…
basically all good things.
gravenimage says
+1
Carol the 1st says
And don’t forget “burst of laughter” Lydia, that’s the inevitable counterpoint!