Yesterday, Jihad Watch covered the troubling ruling of the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) that “an Austrian woman’s criminal conviction and fine for her statements accusing the Prophet Muhammad of pedophilia did not breach her right to free speech.”
Insulting Muhammad is now forbidden, according to the ECHR, which has conceded to Sharia imperatives. This ruling is important not only for the “Austrian woman” who was not even named in the Daily Sabah article, but for all who support free speech. According to the ruling, Austrian courts had “carefully balanced her right to freedom of expression with the right of others to have their religious feelings protected.”
The next step for the expansion of Sharia provisions in Europe will be the prohibition of all speech that is considered to be broadly offensive to Muhammad’s established religion — Islam — and offensive to the feelings of Muslims.
This is clearly the case of Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff, who was fined and given a jail sentence for calling Muhammad a pedophile. He married a six-year-old and consummated the marriage when she was nine, but “the Austrian courts had held that ES was making value judgments partly based on untrue facts and without regard to the historical context.
I had the privilege to meet Elisabeth in Warsaw last month at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s (OSCE) Human Dimension Implementation Meetings. The Center for Security Policy states:
For the last decade, a civil society delegation led by Austrian patriot and freedom fighter Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff has attended ODIHR [OSCE Office of Democratic Institutions and Human Rights] meetings to express concerns that especially European countries were potentially unwittingly facilitating these Sharia-compliant practices, to their great and increasingly obvious detriment.
Elisabeth is a powerful advocate for freedom. The ECHR ruling on her case bears grave implications for everyone worldwide who supports freedom and genuine human rights. Elisabeth sent me her statement on the ECHR ruling this morning. We owe her much gratitude and support for her fight for the freedom of speech, the hallmark of democracy:
On Thursday, 25 October the ECHR ruled that my conviction by an Austrian court for discussing the marriage between Prophet Mohammed and a six year old girl, Aisha, did not infringe my rights of freedom of speech.
I was not extended the courtesy of being told of this ruling. Like many others, I had to read it in the media.
The ECHR found there had been no violation of Article 10 (freedom of expression) of the European Convention on Human Rights and that right to expression needed to be balanced with the rights of others to have their religious feelings protected, and served the legitimate aim of preserving religious peace in Austria.
In other words, my right to speak freely is less important than protecting the religious feelings of others.
This should ring warning bells for my fellow citizens across the continent. We should all be extremely concerned that the rights of Muslims in Europe NOT to be offended are greater than my own rights, as a native European Christian woman, to speak freely.
I am proud to be the woman who has raised this alarm.
I am also optimistic. Since giving my seminars in Austria in 2009, we have come a very long way.
Ten years ago the press labeled me a “confused doom-monger” and I was compared to Osama Bin Laden. Now, Islam is being discussed in every sphere of life and people are waking up to the reality of a culture so opposed to our own.
The cultural and political threat posed by Islam to Western societies is now widely recognized and discussed. It is fair to say European society, as well as the political realm, is undergoing an enlightenment, as it is more awake than ever to the need to defend our own Judeo-Christian culture.
I believe my seminars in 2009, and subsequent work have contributed to strong push back against an Islamic culture which is so at odds with our own. And note with interest that only one sentence out of 12 hours of seminars on Islam was a prosecutable offense. I assume the remaining content is now officially sanctioned by our Establishment masters.
It is obvious to me that public education and discourse on the subject of Islam can have a fundamental and far-reaching impact, even if our state or supra-national authorities try to stifle or silence it, in order to appease a culture so foreign to our own.
This fight continues. My voice will not and cannot be silenced.
Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff
christianblood says
It doesn’t get more clearer than this! According to the Western, pro-islamic, liberal ruling class elites, Insulting Jesus is okay but insulting Mohamed is prohibited!!! That is Islamic Sharee’a law in action! Western world cannot trusted. It capitulated to Islamism!
Indiana Tom says
Yeah, and the Russian world likes to play footsie with the Muslims as well.
gravenimage says
Yes, they do, Indiana Tom.
christianblood says
Indiana Tom
You are wrongly projecting your American/Western sickness of spinelessness to the Russians! Please understand that in Russia you have a nation and a people proud of their Christianity, you have a powerful Christian nation! Whereas in the transgendered US and the West you have spineless, confused, politically-correct and secular liberal countries that are ASHAMED of and rejected their Christian roots to the extent they remove Crosses from para-church shelters so as not to offend muslims and other minorities! Please watch the video clip below to see how Russian society differs from Western society when it comes to the threat of islamists that live among both societies! The narrator is a Danish investigate journalist!
http://katehon.com/video/main-problem-west-spiritual
Bindon Blood says
I agree with you. Russia always has been “Holy Mother Russia” ; even through 70 years of communist oppression most people clung to their faith ,even under punishment of death or the Gulag. I am reading “into the Whirlwind “ by Eugenia Ginsburg. Even though she was a devoted Communist when she was incarcerated for literally nothing she turned to God in prayer.She rejected Communism ,but suffered ,I think,twelve years of cruel incarceration.
Russia today is an outpost of normality in a mad world. I have been to Russia and found the people very friendly and approachable. They seemed to be enjoying life. Great respect was given to the beautiful churches and the singing of the priests was captivating. The Communists destroyed hundreds of these churches ,an indication of their spiritual vacum.
Before the revolution Russia was a fertile ground for culture,music,literature,art the sciences, philosophy etc. she was also a strong manufacturing country as well as rural; although not as industrially developed as Germany,Britain,France etc., she produced steel ,coal, and a lot of food, in short Russia was rapidly catching up. The abolition of serfdom in the early 1860s meant that the Russian peasant ,by 1917, was in possession of most of the land ,either owned or rented. The rule of law prevailed and the modern Csars were quite enlightened. Russia was ,of course ,an autocracy and it had to change ,and it was; political parties were numerous and the Duma was gradually gaining more power.
The Bolsheviks swept all this away,terrrizing the people ,murdering millions,imprisoning millions,used slave Labour and brutality toward all classes. Intellectuals and nobility of the old regime were literally excluded from Russian life and society suffered greatly as a result. Many professors and academics and intellectuals and engineers were killed or imprisoned. Russia’s beautiful cultural life collapsed. In short ,in my view, the Communists ripped the soul from Russia. Hopefully she is now healing,
Putin ,in my view, is a modern Czar. He would not suit all Western countries but the Russians traditionally like a strong leader. Russia is being victimized by the post modernist lefty EU and the neo Marxists in the West. She will not join in the project that is being forced onto the people’s of Western Europe. Russia has her own political agenda obviously but there is no reason why the West and Russia could not be friends. Ironically, in many ways ,Russian people are more intellectually free than Western Europeans and North Americans and those countries where Western culture prevails,for now.
Indiana Tom says
Your description of America may fly on the Left Coast basins and big liberal city centers, but it does not fly in Mid-America. Try again.
Indiana Tom says
Ironically, in many ways ,Russian people are more intellectually free than Western Europeans and North Americans and those countries where Western culture prevails,for now.
Europe, yes. USA, no.
Indiana Tom says
Oh, the Russian government and Orthodox Church has officials who will cave to the Muslims. Watching Russian and Ukrainian videos, I would say that they are closer to Mid-America than most people would like to admit. Watching German videos, I would say that they have totally caved.
christianblood says
Bindon Blood posted
(…Russia today is an outpost of normality in a mad world. I have been to Russia and found the people very friendly and approachable. They seemed to be enjoying life. Great respect was given to the beautiful churches and the singing of the priests was captivating. The Communists destroyed hundreds of these churches ,an indication of their spiritual vacum…Russia is being victimized by the post modernist lefty EU and the neo Marxists in the West. She will not join in the project that is being forced onto the people’s of Western Europe. Russia has her own political agenda obviously but there is no reason why the West and Russia could not be friends. Ironically, in many ways ,Russian people are more intellectually free than Western Europeans and North Americans and those countries where Western culture prevails,for now…)
You are exactly right, Bindon Blood!
Your words are like light shining in the darkness! God bless you! The main reason why the postmodernist West hates Russia is its deep Christianity! Please see it below:
https://www.facebook.com/thedurancom/videos/516832111981707/
revereridesagain says
“Insulting” imaginary people may be painful an annoying — even enraging — for the people who insist on believing they are real. But the right of every human being to freely state his or her understanding of the what is real and what is fantasy absolutely eclipses any claim others might make that their “feelings” give them the right to silence us by force. That is one of the rights protected by our First Amendment, and the first citizens of America fought and died to defend it. Europeans who value freedom have the right to defy this ruling.
gravenimage says
Of course, chiristianblood chooses to ignore the brave Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff here.
henrik arboe jensen says
I think the underlying narrative is eu consider islam as a handicaped child, that sometime blow up itself and others.
And this patronising signaling irritates the isis fraction even more.
Krishna says
Muslim demands are increasing in europe
christianblood says
Krishna
We all know that Muslims have a religious agenda to terrorize infidels and Islamize the world but the real question we should be focusing on is what is the agenda of the Western liberal elites to enable Islamists for their Islamization agenda???
Isa Ibn Maryam says
Islam is a mental illness.
It is based on the idol worship of Muhammad: Islam itself being a repetition of his own life which involved the eradication (genocide) of Jews, waging of war against Christians and unbelievers etc. which granted him immense power that served him to satisfy his lust for women.
The Qur’an is forged from Syro-Aramaic Christian strophic hymns and is not the perfect word of any god. Allah is made in the image of Muhammad thus is equivalent to Allah. This is what renders Islam idol worship and a categorical mental illness.
Sexually degenerated (lustful and technically infidel) people in power are drawn to Islam because Islam has an entire underground network of avenues/ways people can satisfy their sexual lust. This requires a system of human trafficking to be operating at all times, which is the same system Muhammad established to serve himself and his “followers”.
It is a global cult presently bidding for world dominance as the UN is its main conduit through which to manage the hijra (manifest as refugee crises) meanwhile sharia blasphemy laws (source of left-wing censorship) continue to erode freedom of speech: the ability to express that Muhammad was a sexually degenerated and pathologically sick man that spilled blood by day and spilled seed by night: the archetypal infidel warlord.
Resistance is not futile says
But according to islamic sources Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 and he had sex with her when she was 9. Why should we not be able to call this pedophilia and especially in the context that there are muslims practicing this till today. Usually I don’t care to judge the actions of a man who lived 1000+ years ago and to call him names, but if his ideology is still used as a compass then I must be able to have an opinion about him. He was a pedophile prophet, a mass murderer and genocidist. How many Jews and Christians do you have to murder to become a genocidist?
How many did he kill?
christianblood says
PEOPLE NEED TO GROW UP!
LISTEN: IT IS A WASTE OF TIME FOCUSING ALL OUR ATTENTION AND COMMENTS ONLY ON MUSLIMS THAT ARE PERFORMING THEIR RELIGIOUS DUTIES OF JIHAD, SUPREMACISM, SHARI’A AND TERROR ITS WORTHWHILE TO FOCUS MORE ON THOSE WESTERN LIBERAL ELITES THAT ARE ENABLING ISLAMISTS AND THEIR AGENDA AND MOTIVES ARE, INSTEAD!
Jack Cade says
Absolutely correct! Let’s first remove the aiders and abettors! If politicians, in any way support Islam, they must be removed–regardless of their other good works. Then, the removal of Muslims starts by eliminating all government services.
christianblood says
Jack Cade
+1
Indiana Tom says
More or less, but I would state that the NWO elite is not confined to one geographical area. They really are world wide. Unfortunately.
Remember they think globally and act locally.
christianblood says
Indiana Tom
+1
James Lincoln says
In other words, focus your energies on things that you can do something about.
gravenimage says
christianblood does not want us filthy Infidels to say anything negative about Muslim pedophilia. Bad dhimmis!
christianblood says
gravenimage
No, I want you to focus, not on muslims doing their religious duties like jihad, supramacism and sharia but on the Western traitors that are enabling them to do so! Muslims in the West CANNOT LIFT A FINGER WITHOUT HELP FROM THEIR WESTERN LIBERAL ENABLERS! ARE SO UNINFORMED THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THIS SIMPLE FACT???
gravenimage says
I see that christianblood is demanding that we ignore Jihad. He regularly praises Jihad when practiced by Shia Muslims like Hizb’allah, who he says are blessed by God.
Dhimmitude is a huge problem–but Anti-Jihadists have no problem condemning both Jihad and Shari’ah *and* its enabling, unwitting or otherwise, anywhere in the world.
christianblood ignores enabling of Jihad and Shari’ah when practiced in Russia, even praising Putin’s allowing Shari’ah law in Chechnya, and saying that Jihad–even that targeting Christians–is not a concern in Russia, despite the growing number of instances of it.
Likewise, he praises Russia’s enabling of Iran’s nuclear program, claiming it is just “resistance” to the United States.
Sorry–I can stand against Islam *and* its enabling by foolish or traitorous Infidels.
I don’t intend to ignore the horrors of Islam–including pedophilia–as christianblood demands I do.
christianblood says
Correction
I want us not focus all our time on muslims doing their religious duties like jihad, sharia imposition…
jack says
so true, the leftists and greens are falling over each other to ‘welcome’ islam and make excuses for its excesses.
I fear for my grandchildren’s future. Our political elite are dooming them to slavery – or worse.
christianblood says
Jack
Well-said! What liberals are doing is cultural and civilizational suicide!
Madge hirsch says
Because the academic and probably legal definition of pedophilia is having a primary and possibly exclusive sexual attraction for prepubescent children. It is obvious from the I slamic scriptures that this was not the case with Mo. His first wife was years older than him and there is nothing in the Islamic scriptures to suggest that other wives or concubines were children like Aisha. ESW was guilty only of using sloppy language. Given the propensity of the Muslims to go to court at the drop of a hat it behoves counter jihadis to make sure that what they say is accurate . The real problem is that the Austrians and other European countries have de facto blasphemy laws on their statute books – hangovers from more religious times and that the Austrian one covers Islam. It is baving such laws still on the bools which allows sharia to creep in by the back door.
Geoffrey Britain says
So… Mo engaged in pedophilia… once. Does that satisfy your desire for accuracy? Is there a get out of jail card for only engaging in pedophilia… once?
gravenimage says
Madge hirsch wrote:
Because the academic and probably legal definition of pedophilia is having a primary and possibly exclusive sexual attraction for prepubescent children. It is obvious from the I slamic scriptures that this was not the case with Mo…
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Pedophilia in the clinical sense of *only* being attracted to pre-pubescent children is pretty rare. But the molestation of children is not,
Many are attracted to children because they are vulnerable.If you look at Muhammed’s history in this light it is very different. Save for his first wife Kadijah, the “Prophet” was largely attracted to those who were vulnerable–captives, sex slaves, and a child.
There is no reason to suppose that those in Muslim nations are statistically predisposed to be clinical pedophiles. Yet child “marriage” is *rife* in the Muslim world, all on the model of the vicious “Prophet”.
There was nothing that Resistance is not futile said that was sloppy–he is just describing the second meaning of pedophilia.
The truth is that healthy and decent people are *never* sexually attracted to children–but certainly Muhammed and ever other Muslim who “marries” children surely is.
Should it matter to us if they are also fine with having sex with–and raping–post-pubescent women? I don’t think so.
Jon says
She did not insult Muhammad.
She repeated what Islam says about Muhammad.
Islam says that Muhammad married a 6 year old. The West labels that as pedophilia.
If the court wants to convict anyone, it should convict Islam and the West.
Salome says
To a Muslim, libel is the telling of an inconvenient truth about Muhammad. I don’t think Elisabeth went to that Court for justice. I think she went to test it, and she received the answer she expected.
gravenimage says
True, Jon and Salome.
Fred Middleton says
‘Religious feelings of others’ means only the Muslims and everyone knows that. Saying that the Pope has protected paedophiles won’t get you into trouble. How can ‘religious feelings’ or ‘peace’ have any legal definition? These people are not only sell outs, they are legal morons.
Jayell says
But ‘accusing the ‘prophet’ Mohammed of paedophilia’ is not insulting him! According to all the available evidence, it’s an accurate description based on fact! Or perhaps they want to either (a) edit all the offending evidence out from the islamic Holy (sic) books or otherwise (b) re-define ‘paedophilia’. Or both?
tim gallagher says
Yes, Jayell, I thought, as many other commenters here on this report, have also noted, that it is accepted as truth that Muhammad, when aged around 50 years old, had sex with 9 year old Aisha. Merely telling the truth about Muhammad can’t be libelling or insulting him. What you say about Muslims wanting to edit all offending evidence out, though it may be true, doesn’t make sense. I thought that Muslims, since they think MUhammad is their idea of a perfect man ( and their evil idea of god, Allah’s, idea of a perfect man), would be proud of Muhammad’s having had sex with a 9 year old girl. Muslims seem to have very confused thinking. In fact, I think Muslims do imitate Muhammad and do have sex with very underaged girls, (eg look how young the victims of the UK Muslim rape gangs were) and have underaged girls marry much older men, because this is what their perfect man did. Muslims, with their twisted, barbaric view of life, think such behaviour is just fine. Civilised societies don’t. So it is weird that Muslims complain about Muhammad being insulted by being called a paedophile. I thought they’d say, if MUhammad behaved that way, then such behaviour is just fine. And that is what Muslims usually seem to believe and they also seem act in a similar way to Muhammad..
Alien Republican says
“the rights of others to have their religious feelings protected”. That right does not exist. Islam is an insult to other religions as well secular people. By the way, the court “reasoned” that the use of plural “children” implies that you are talking about the real inclination of pedophilia and by implication they are saying that having sex with ONE child does not make you a pedophile. Perverts.
PRCS says
Note that the ECHR apparently stated, “her comments could only be understood as having been aimed at demonstrating that Muhammad was not worthy of worship”.
As Muslims adamantly assert that they worship “Allah” alone, it should be obvious that the ECHR just simply doesn’t understand the subject..
Wellington says
Free speech is dying very quickly in Western Europe. Of course, Islam welcomes this because Mo’s creed is a mortal enemy of liberty. And can you get any more pathetic than servile, obedient dhimmis who go along with all this Islamic control-freak rot?
I detest both Islam and cowering to Islam.
gravenimage says
+1
Rufluc says
+1
Benedict says
The same rule should apply for those insulting or mocking Our Blessed Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Creator of all. If EU does not say the same about Lord Jesus Christ then they are the biggest hypocrites of all.
andra says
Believe me, they are. Being raised as a Catholic I learnt as a child and youth that I have to accept if others do not respect my believe. As Long as I have to accept “Artists” putting a cross into pee (I apologize for the word) Muslims have to accept that I call their ideology satanistic and perverse.
Indiana Tom says
I personally thought the government funded artists putting a picture of Jesus upside down in a bottle of urine was just so chic and avant garde. What will they think of next?
poppy says
You cannot “insult” the Mo figure by calling him a child molester and rapist, that’s exactly what he was according to their scripture, so if we’re going to hold all to the same level of impartial scrutiny, he has to be called what he was. No insult was given.
Also what in the name of sweet reason is an “untrue fact” ?
A fact is true by definition of being a fact.
Richard C de L says
Surely the Koran approves of paedophilia when it speaks of little boys being scattered like pearls in paradise, together with all the vigins.
Islam has a long tradition of paedophilia starting with Aisha and Mo the kiddy fiddler. Do you really think Aisha was the only young girl mo had sex with.
As they say in Pakistan a d Afghanistan women are for having children little boys are for fun.
Edmund Carey says
You don’t have to look far to see that Christianity is attacked and insulted more in a week than Islam is in a decade, in both Europe and North America, and that this is never prosecuted. Insulting and attacking Christianity is always protected by freedom of speech provisions. It is, in fact, a great tradition in Western culture ever since the Enlightenment. Islam, however, is now specially privileged.
One could be forgiven for thinking that Islam’s privileged position in Western countries today is not inspired by tolerance and pluralism. It is a position that Islam has gained for itself with by showing again and again that it will use the most barbaric means there are to stop free expression about itself. Christians almost never do that. With them, therefore, the great Enlightenment tradition prevails.
This might strike you, or it might not, depending on how you react to such things, as more like degeneracy and suicide on the part of Western culture, than it is like the advance it masquerades as. Take your pick.
James Lincoln says
Is it possible that Muhammad would have thought that being called a pedophile was a compliment instead of an insult?
Did the EU court even consider this possibility?
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Where can one find the text of this ruling by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR)? What language is it in? German? French? English? The term “untrue facts” makes no sense, because a fact is by definition true. I would like to see the list of the “untrue facts” cited in this ruling. Is the ECHR deciding which statements in Islamic scripture are true and which are false? How did the ECHR acquire the authority justifying their fatwattery?
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Via a comment following a report on this case at
https://gatesofvienna.net/2018/10/the-echr-decision-sharia-officially-implemented-in-the-eu/#comments
, the text of the ECHR’s ruling is found at
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22documentcollectionid2%22:[%22GRANDCHAMBER%22,%22CHAMBER%22],%22itemid%22:[%22001-187188%22]}
gravenimage says
Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff responds to EU court’s ruling that speech insulting Muhammad is prohibited
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Kudos to her for speaking out!
Bacherbazistan says
I suspect that part of the thinking behind this ruling from the European court of sharia rights is the eventual legalisation of paedophilia.
Since when was marrying a 6 year old & consummating when she was 9 not paedophilia?
Since when did anyone have the right not to have their feels hurt?
What does the Austrian government have to say about this ruling?
Will she be given a presidential pardon?
Will the Austrian government repeal or even amend this law?
Becky says
Someone needs to appeal this on the grounds that the same protections for Christians and Jews aren’t recognized by the court, nor are Muslims who have slandered Christians and Jews, or invaded and assaulted clergy in churches, violated holy Christian churches and Jewish synagogues have not been prosecuted for these violations of religious freedoms. You have to hold the European court’s feet to the fire on their claims. Who can pursue this? Can someone tell me if Miss or Mrs Wolf’s legal team are pursuing this?
Daniel Silvan says
I don’t care what a court comprised of alcoholics, pedophiles and perverts says is legal or not. I have my own moral compass that is uncorrupted by fear and filth.
Andrew E Walker says
This is particularlty disturbing for English law. Firstly, you cannot defame the dead. Secondly, our right to freedom of speech is underpinned by the decision of Tugenhat J in a libel case. He said: “To the extent that the words complained of include insults and other offensive matter, insulting and offensive speech is protected by the right of freedom of expression.”
Anne Smith says
Well, our useless and incompetent Prime Minister has engineered a Brexit treaty with the EU which allows us to “leave” (actually not really) but we will still have to abide by rulings of the ECHR.
This recent ruling of theirs against this brave woman clearly shows that we have lost our freedom of speech in UK.
This will not worry Mrs May, she has been doing everything she can to facilitate the Islamic take over.
One wonders what exactly is driving her.
Peter Weber says
Somebody came up with
“Shouting fire in a crowded theater”
The phrase is a paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919, which held that the defendant’s speech in opposition to the draft during World War I was not protected free speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.
People often argue some speech is unprotected by analogizing to shouting fire in a crowded theater.
First:
Layman got it wrong. Justice Holmes said: “The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.” We see, “falsely” is the qualifier … (United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919).
Second:
Schenck was later overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, which limited the scope of banned speech to that which would be directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action.
Since 1969, for speech to break the law, it can’t merely lead others to dangerous situations. It must directly encourage others to commit specific criminal actions of their own.
No longer was “clear and present danger” a sufficient standard for criminalizing speech. To break the law, speech now had to incite “imminent lawless action.”
So if a court can prove that you incite imminent lawlessness by falsely shouting “fire” in a crowded theater, it can convict you. If you incite an unlawful riot, your speech is “brigaded” with illegal action, and you will have broken the law. But merely falsely shouting “fire” does not break the law, even if it risks others’ safety.
Older Canadian says
There never will be peace on earth and goodwill to men and women. Never has been, never will be. This article makes that very clear. Very sad indeed.
Crusades Were Right says
I wonder if there are any people in Austria who offend the religious feelings of Christians with THEIR speech? No doubt the Austrian authorities are tracking them down as I type, and prosecutions are being prepared.
Should I hold my breath?
UNCLE VLADDI says
Let’s have a look at what they imply: “The Strasbourg, France-based court found that her statements describing Muhammad as a pedophile “had been likely to arouse justified indignation in Muslims” and “amounted to a generalization without factual basis.” So they’re deliberately lying about official islamic facts.
“Such comments, the court said, are not protected by the freedom of expression provisions of Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights.”
So: It is illegal to report the truth about criminals if it might upset other criminals.
“The court asserted her statements “were not phrased in a neutral manner aimed at being an objective contribution to a public debate concerning child marriages.”” One must remain “neutral” towards, (i.e: not oppose) all crimes.
“The European court classified the woman’s “impugned” statements as “an abusive attack on the Prophet of Islam, which was capable of stirring up prejudice and putting at risk religious peace.””
In asserting Muhammad was a Prophet of religious Peace, they Submit to islam.
Conclusion: The European Court of Human Rights only supports criminals’ rights.
UNCLE VLADDI says
This ILLEGAL and wholly subjectivist “HURT FEELINGS” nonsense has got to stop!
Offense can only be taken, never given! If someone says something mean and untrue about you, you either consider the source and scornfully laugh it off, file a lawsuit for defamation, (slander and libel are forms of fraud) or a crime report for inciting violence, if they went that far.
But these recent fake judge-made “laws” are really only onus-reversing crimes, as in:
“You have to prove you DIDN’T hurt my feelings, or else you owe me money! Nyah!”
And there’s no such thing as a state of permanent, ongoing “emotional distress” that isn’t deliberately and willfully, habitually obsessed about – because our emotions are mere reflections of the three basic states of space-time (the static past, the fluid present, and the nebulous future, respectively): static fear, fluid greed, nebulous hope. Not exactly worth defending!
Further, libertine “liberal” criminals have to resort to whining about their hurt feewings, simply because they don’t have any actual facts to justify their many crime excuses!
So, being angry at (“hateful” towards) criminals is now the most vile sin, while pitying (“tolerating”) them all as “fellow victims,” is now to be deemed the highest moral virtue!
So much so, that the only advice we hear from “our” hypocrite governments, their pet media, and the corporazi globalist banksters who own them all, seems to invariably be:
“Anyone who doesn’t automatically pity all criminals as fellow victims should be hated!”
Which is why hurting the feelings of criminals by accusing them of their crimes, is now a “hateful” crime itself!
So any and all legislators, judges, and educators who put criminals’ hurt feelings above facts should be fired and JAILED.
And that includes using the words “Respect!” and “Dignity!”
Objectifying people as “victims!” is what really “disrespects their dignity!”
Any and all “laws” criminalizing hurt feelings should be repealed and their originators fired and JAILED, too!
Because all subjectivist “laws” are really adversarial crimes, seeking to use fraudulent slander to extort and enslave others. Fraud, slander, extortion and slavery (aka “Political Correctness”) are already crimes.
Who complains about hurt feelings (aka defending their “dignity”) anyway?! ONLY criminals!
They always feel hurt and left out when others try and succeed and they don’t, so they feel jealous and entitled to demand an equality of outcome and permanent rights (like, to your stuff) without any concomitant corollary responsibilities (like to earn or otherwise have to pay for it) over an equality of opportunity! i.e: to extort a right to remain irresponsibly wrong – to be able to angrily, “hatefully” attack others first while demanding a false right to be pities for their chosen stance!
Which is why they invented the whole nonsensical and emotive concept of “HATE CRIMES!” – because, in making “hate” into a crime, they extortively try to make it “illegal” for their potential victims to hate their crimes!
Any law-abiding person who gets robbed or extorted doesn’t feel “sad” or “uncomfortable” about it, they feel righteously ANGRY! So their constant demands for pity is one really good way to tell an extortive victimology-spewing criminal from a real victim of same!
Rufluc says
So what the ECHR has done is to ban anyone who dares tell the truth about Muhammed, but anyone can say what they like about Jesus with impunity despite the preachings and actions of these two being worlds apart. ie Hate & evil vs Love & kindness.
What our authorities fail to see is that Islam is not a religion. It is a theocratic, political, ideological cult with its roots firmly entrenched in evil.
The appeasement of Islam by our leaders and their corrupt establishments ie the ECHR, is beyond belief. It is time for the people of the West to rise up against their treacherous leaders, and consign them all to history AFTER they have all been tried for treason! This latest ‘ruling’ by these pathetic judges is an absolute outrage!
I read many times that Christians in the West, in their own countries, are literally forced to remove any of their religious symbols by the leftist PC brigade, like the cross, Xmas cards, the bible etc from the sight of Muslims in case it offends them. WHAT?? Are the liberal left THAT mad? Unfortunately, the answer is yes, they are! Like the way, they turned a blind eye to Muslim gang rapists in the UK for over 40 years, which badly affected the lives of an estimated 1 million underaged British girls!
Well as a Christian, it offends ME to have Muslims in our countries. It offends ME to see the hundreds of Mosques springing up everywhere. It offends ME to see their women having to wear all over covering like the Hijab, Burqa, Chadri or Paranja, which are Muslim symbols (of female oppression!). It offends me to think that these people are being duped into believing they are ‘worshipping’ some kind of righteous individual when the FACTS and TRUTH clearly show he was not! It also offends me to know that our treacherous authorities are capitulating with this evil too.
If this kind of practice continues unabated, there WILL be civil war breaking out throughout the West, and people like Merkel, May, and Macron (the three unwise childless monkeys, who refuse to SEE, HEAR or SPEAK anything bad against Islam) will be held to account for their treachery. May that day come soon!
Rufluc says
The ECHR, like all other liberal elite controlled establishments, is clearly capitulating to the Muslim world, because of their cowardly fear of retributions by Muslims against the West. In other words they are bowing down to their threats of ‘Do as we say and want, or else!’.
Well, my answer to that is ‘You should NOT have allowed these Muslims into the West in the first place!’ They are, and always will be, totally incompatible with the West’s cultural way of life, and as such will always remain a huge threat to the West. They need to purged out of our lands before they take over within a few decades…if that!
Infidel Lass says
The ruling is incredibly dangerous for our future as free citizens. We can only thank Ms. Sabaditsch-Wolff for her bravery and congratulate her on her consistancy.
Rufluc says
This ruling will no doubt create much frustration among millions of Westerners, that some will inevitably turn from speaking how they feel, to taking action in a physical more violent way. This primarily is how wars start. People stop talking or are forced to stop (as in this case) and so turn to violence as the only way to communicate their feelings.
What Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff said is the truth. How on Earth can anyone be judged wrong for telling the truth?
The ECHR has made a very foolish decision indeed. They have NOT applied the law in this case. They have yet again just appeased Muslims, who tend to get their way every time by threats of rioting and violence. Maybe the people of the West should do the same!
Dante says
We must all show support for Elisabeth. As we know this is islam testing the water before other challenges will be attempted. We are at war folks. It is a war of ideas and values mostly with terror acting as a reminder that this war does have deadly consequences. Islamic ideas and values are so antithetical to the thinking and values held dear in the West. We can’t let these barbarians gain any sway over freedom loving normal people.
This war on free speech is coming to the U.S. especially since we had Hillary Clinton pushing the Istanbul Process which would outlaw us from criticizing religious beliefs. We all know which religion is to be given preference here. It’s supremely ironic that Elisabeth was using the words of the koran when she was fined. By that measure it’s obvious that the koran should be banned as hate speech, we really need to push that idea in the West.
HfS Communications says
THE MENACE AND TYRANNY OF MUSLIM BRITAIN AND THE BATTLE FOR NATIONAL SURVIVAL:-
Muslim leaders and preachers proclaim the evil and fanatical ideology of Islam, which forms the core belief of muslim identity. They revile and preach hatred of Christians and non believers who are called Kuffar or Kafir. Islam is an extremely dangerous, extremely violent, misogynist, barbaric, bloodthirsty, medieval death cult conceptualised in the Koran which states: “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” and “Maim and crucify the infidels”, just two of the many violent verses in the Koran. Muslims reject and disdain western values of freedom and democracy, but cunningly use all the powers of democratic legitimacy to subvert western secular society to further their aim of establishing a Muslim Caliphate(State). They aggressively demand: The construction of more mosques, the oppression and subjugation of women and the absurdity of covering women by the hijab(head cover), niqab (veil) or total cover from head to foot of the burka. The burka symbolises fear, suspicion and social exclusion and is a barrier to social discourse. The face and body are completely covered with only a cotton mesh gap or small opening for the eyes, the wearer cannot be identified and poses a threat to security in public places. Most wearers of this ridiculous garb are functionally illiterate, unemployable, brainwashed by islam and mentally deranged; welcome to the reality of muslim Britain! Life for muslim women is a dystopian nightmare and they are systematically brainwashed into forced, arranged and polygamous marriages, sexual abuse is commonplace including marriages of children and minors, girls suffer cruel bestial and utterly barbaric fgm-female genital mutilation, punishable by up to 14 years in prison under English Law, but few cases are brought before the courts. Farm animals are cruelly butchered without pre stunning in the sickening carnage that is halal slaughter. Muslims advocate criminal justice sanctioning punishments of horrifying medieval savagery, including public beheading, crucifixion, stoning to death, hanging, amputation, muslims who convert to Christianity are sentenced to death. The consumption of alcohol is forbidden and punished by flogging and imprisonment or death , although currently unenforcable in Britain. The Archbishop of Canterbury has warned that Christians are being deliberately attacked because of their faith in parts of the muslim world and even martyred for their faith in large numbers. An affront to the civilized world, ‘Islamic State’ and its terrorist army are killing and torturing with merciless savagery across the world in the Middle East, North Africa, the Far East, the U.S.A. and Europe.
Millions of muslims live in Britain and many of them support ‘jihad’ i.e. mass murder and bloody atrocities committed by their activists who call themselves ‘soldiers of allah’. Let nobody be under any illusion spread by the preachers and propagandists that islam is ‘a religion of peace’, because anyone who dares to speak out against muslims risks being murdered and butchered by their killers. British soldiers are frequently subjected to death threats. On Wednesday 22 May 2013, a day of infamy, the full force of muslim savagery found its target and willing perpetrators , two ‘soldiers of allah’ committed the brutal bloody murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby.There are currently an estimated 14,000 muslims in UK prisons at an annual cost of over £750 million, most of them are extremely dangerous. Under the lax and lenient British Criminal Justice System many of them could be released early, free to carry out terrorist attacks to murder and maim potentially thousands of people. The British Government has failed its primary duty to maintain the security and protection of citizens and is complicit in the islamification of the country e.g.failing to stop exclusively muslim schools segregating and brainwashing children and illegal sharia law councils, persisting in the deluded belief, wasting public money in the process, that these savages and their rapacious, evil, barbaric ideology can be integrated into mainstream society. Instead, the Government instructs the courts to apply unjust and draconian laws on racism and hate crime to incarcerate and silence people with prison sentences for manifesting their anger and revulsion against muslim rapists and child grooming gangs. Freedom of speech has been abolished and people are too frightened to speak out.
Whole areas in a growing number of towns and cities are now mainly muslim in character and are becoming mini caliphates with sharia law councils, mosques, minarets and halal abbatoirs. Many people move away, alienated by the islamification of their neighbourhoods, they have to suppress their rage, barely recognizing the country they grew up in, turned into a lawless, violent, rotten, repressive, squalid, nasty, globalized, multicultural wasteland. Islamic ideology is fundamentally opposed to the collective conscience of the majority of British people and sets muslims in direct conflict with the values of Western Civilization. Higher muslim birth rates will produce a majority muslim population in numerous areas of the the North of England and the Midlands where they proliferate by the year 2038. Europe as a whole is facing a demographic time-bomb and is confronted by majority muslim populations outnumbering indigenous European Christians. Before the end of the century a huge increase in the muslim population could see England transformed into a muslim country subservient to a caliphate in league with The Antichrist to wreak havoc and the destruction of Christianity.
The supreme symbol of muslim dominance will be the conversion of Canterbury Cathedral into a mosque, destroying over one thousand four hundred years of Christian Civilization and History. Muslim leaders will be exultant to repeat the historic precedent of 1453, when the leader of the Ottoman Turks, Sultan Memhed ll ordered the Hagia Sophia, the main church of Orthodox Christianity to be converted into a mosque, symbolising the muslim conquest of Constantinople. Christian worshipers were slaughtered without mercy or sold into slavery and the building was desecrated and looted.By the year 2038, muslims will dominate Britain through sheer force of numbers, the direct result of muslim immigration and generous state welfare & child benefits. Ideal conditions for muslims to procreate and supplant the indigenous British population and take over the country,having already infiltrated the Great Offices of State,the Civil Service,the Armed Forces, the Police, the Judiciary,the B.B.C., regional and local authorities, public services, education,the press, media and broadcasting channels all of them suffused with malicious political correctness and the big lie of multiculturalism acceding to ever increasing muslim/ islamic demands. Anyone who opined to members gathered in the bar of a Surrey golf club at the end of the twentieth century that their way of life and culture could be replaced by islam within thirty to forty years would be rebuked for talking nonsense, not anymore. The inveterate moral cowardice of the British political class and the spineless left wing liberal governing élite for failing to STOP mass muslim immigration is a betrayal of the British People and will bring this country to breaking point. Britain will be faced with the most serious crisis in its entire history and the stark choice of either fighting to remain a predominantly Christian Social Democracy, with nothing less than national survival at stake, or surrender to a Theocratic Muslim Dictatorship/Caliphate and descent into a satanic dark age of barbarism, terror and chaos. The battle for the defence of Christian Civilization against this malignant, repugnant, barbaric, evil creed will continue a conflict which has lasted for centuries, except this time THE ENEMY IS WITHIN.”The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men (and Women) to do nothing”, Edmund Burke 18th century statesman, author and philosopher.
footnote: Canterbury Cathedral is under armed guard while more mosques are planned for construction.
HfS Communications November 2018
Rufluc says
I’m very much in agreement with all that you say HfS. It is a comprehensive, albeit frightening account of what is happening in the UK and indeed all through the West, and it will continue to happen if something significant isn’t done to put a stop to it all.
What really is enabling all of this to happen is the stupidity of our own people, or should I say those of the liberal left together with a significant number of our own women, who seem to defend this evil cult despite the fact it is they who need to fear it most.
Being trusting of this evil cult is foolish to the extreme. The Christian faith itself by its own naivety ie. love thy neighbor, has this as a huge weakness, which the Devil will capitalize on. What it doesn’t account for is when your neighbor’ is a rabid radical Muslim who wants to murder you rather than look at you! This will inevitably be the downfall of the West if we allow the liberal left to take charge, something we must oppose at all cost.