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France: Concert by pro-jihad Muslim performer at site of jihad massacre canceled

Oct 12, 2018 8:07 am By Robert Spencer

“Not a single imam, as I speak to you, not a single Muslim leader, asked Medine to cancel his concert. That makes them all accomplices, all of them are complicit.”

It also raises important questions about how “moderate” imams in France really are. But will French authorities ask those questions and mount investigations in order to discover the answers? Of course not.

“French Say ‘Non’ to Islamist Performer at Bataclan,” by Abigail R. Esman, IPT News, October 11, 2018 (thanks to Sidney):

On Nov. 13, 2015, a series of Islamist terrorist attacks shook the city of Paris. One hundred thirty people were killed and hundreds others injured in coordinated shootings and a suicide bombing that hit the Bataclan concert hall, the Stade de France stadium, and several bars and restaurants, all in the name of the Islamic State.

In the three years since, the Bataclan, now owned by a Qatari group, has staged provocative performances that some argue are not only pro-Muslim, but pro-Islamist. In April, when the venue announced a concert set to feature controversial rapper Medine, who has been criticized for attacks on France’s secularism, many determined that enough had now become enough. Led by Patrick Jardin, the father of one of the 90 victims of the Bataclan killing, a group calling itself “100 patriots” called for a “patriotic protest” against the planned Oct. 19 event.

The movement proved effective: just barely a month before the scheduled event, the Bataclan and Medine announced that, in a “conciliatory spirit” and “respect” for the victims’ families, the concert would not take place. While some have called the cancellation an attack on free speech, others are celebrating what they view as the correct decision. Medine will still perform, the statement read, but at an alternative venue.

But despite this “conciliation,” the pattern of producing such controversial events at the Bataclan has many Parisians distressed. Even the date of Qatar’s purchase of the property has raised hackles: Sept. 11, 2015 – two months before the attack and “an extremely symbolic date,” Pierre Cassen, one of the protest organizers, observed.

“Curiously, those who are in charge of the hall feel oddly obliged to invite artists who at one point or another pay homage to the religion of the assassins – Islam,” said Cassen. “The first year, the singer Sting sang ‘Inshallah.'”

Inshallah, Inshallah
If it be your will, it shall come to pass

Medine represented a particularly troubling choice. “He is someone who openly calls for the crucifixion of secularists, like in Golgotha; celebrates the recurring riots taking place in France; calls on Algerians to continue the war in Algeria; and chants racist remarks against whites,” Cassen said. Lyrics to the rapper’s “Angle d’Attaque,” for instance, include, “These white pigs go far, hand me a handgun, I’ll make one pedophile less”; “I’ve hated Whites since Rodney King, I need a rifle”; and “Whites are demons/pigs of no morality.” For Cassen and others involved in the protest, “This programming is first and foremost an unprecedented provocation against France, and an insult to the memory of the victims and their families.”

Yet despite such hateful rhetoric, Pierre Jardin was not specifically looking to bar Medine from performing, making calls of “censorship” misguided. “He just wanted it elsewhere than the place where his 31-year-old daughter lost her life,” said Cassen.

It would seem a reasonable enough request; and if the many Parisian Muslims who joined the “Je suis Charlie” march were sincere in their denunciation of radical Islam, one would expect their community to have shown equal sympathy in this regard.

They did not. “Not a single imam, as I speak to you, not a single Muslim leader, asked Medine to cancel his concert,” said Cassen. “That makes them all accomplices, all of them are complicit.”

Hence despite the re-staging of the Medine concert, Cassen and others view the incident as part of an ongoing assault.

Such events would be unthinkable under other circumstances, they argue, but it apparently is different when Muslims are involved.

“Imagine a neo-Nazi concert in Auschwitz. Imagine a communist concert in Katyn, where Stalin’s troops shot thousands of Polish officers in the head,” said Cassen. “The Americans refused to build a mosque, which Muslims demanded, at Ground Zero, where the Twin Towers were destroyed by Islamist assassins.” And yet, “This [is] an incredible violence against France, and it’s no coincidence, because for the Islamists, in Europe, our country is the number one target. So anything that can weaken our defenses is a good thing – like the Medine concert.”…

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  1. Jaladhi says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 8:26 am

    There are no “moderate” Muslims and there are no “moderate” imams. It’s all West’s fantasy and delusion that they keep dreaming. It will never be over until they start respecting their own religions and culture!

    • StellaSaidSo says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 9:07 am

      There is no ‘moderate’ Islam. But there ARE ‘moderate’ Muslims. There are plenty of nominal Muslims, secular Muslims, and secret apostates. These people are on our side, and we should support, not alienate them. There are also Imams who reject the Koranic injunctions to violence, but they will not be found in the 80% Saudi-funded mosques which increasingly pollute our landscape, thanks to our traitor governments.

      • Rasmussen says

        Oct 12, 2018 at 9:22 am

        I’m very happy , and profoundly relieved , to hear about these moderate muslims ; i have the greatest confidence that these moderate muslims will take to the streets in vast numbers the next time some not quite so moderate muslims claim to have spoken on behalf of an entire “religion”…

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 9:52 am

          @ Rasmussen

          Maybe you should keep in mind that Muslims are leaving Islam every day. And that every brave apostate from Islam started as a believing Muslim. The transformation can take time. It is a mistake to assume that all Muslims are the same. There are grave risks involved in leaving Islam, and some apostates go thru the motions for years before taking the final step. And there are grave risks in appearing publicly as an apostate. These are the people we need to support and encourage. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq, and Nonie Darwish all contribute hugely to the counter-jihad movement.
          BTW, the Ahmadiyya sect in Britain have been known to protest publicly, en masse, against violent jihad.

        • Bosch Fawstin says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 10:01 am

          One says there are no “moderate” Muslims, which is not true, as there are lax Muslims. Another says there are “moderate” Muslims, and they’re on our side, which is not true, as slence and inaction could be, and has been shown to be, consent. And then another one suggests that Islam isn’t a religion. Of course it’s a religion. Those who say otherwise are more interested in protecting religion from being associated with Islam, than they are of protecting the West from jihad, 9/11 was an act of faith as much as it was an act of war. People don’t fly planes into believing for secular ideology, but because of a hardcore religious belief that they will enter paradise. We have to stop bullshitting ourselves, most especially on this site, dedicated to exposing the enemy and his ideology, in the hope that it will one day lead to the enemy be being vanquished. And Only truth will get us there, uncompromised truth.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 10:40 am

          @ Bosch

          I’m OK with the word ‘lax’ rather than ‘moderate’, if you prefer it, but the result is the same. There are some Muslims who are nominal or ‘cultural’ Muslims, who don’t go along with all the nonsense and viciousness that is preached in the increasing number of Saudi mosques in our towns and cities. Many of these people are under enormous pressure from the covert sharia patrols which now operate in their neighbourhoods. I don’t see how keeping communication open with those who may need a little help to make their escape is harmful to the counter-jihad cause.

        • mortimer says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 12:07 pm

          Many thanks to Bosch Fawstin for clarifying that so-called ‘moderate’ Muslims are actually ‘lax’ Muslims who do not practice ALL of Islam.

          Rather, lax Muslims practice ‘Islam-à-la-carte’ or ‘Cafeteria Islam’ … that is, they pick and choose the parts that are easy and ignore the parts that are hard, like total veiling, extracting jizzya from the kafirs, segregation from the kafirs and violent jihad.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 12:26 pm

          @ Mortimer

          It’s just as well, is it not, that there are so many Muslims who ‘do not practice ALL of Islam’?

          Can you think of a religion – any religion – that is practised in entirely the same way by ALL its adherents?

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 7:09 pm

          Thank you, Bosch.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 7:12 pm

          Certainly, the idea that we should not say anything critical of Islam lest we offend these moderates and turn them into “radicals” makes no sense. If they were poised to wage Jihad they are not moderates–just dormant.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 12:35 am

          @ gravenimage

          Who suggested that ‘we should not say anything critical of Islam lest we offend these moderates…?’ I certainly did not.

        • STEVE says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 9:08 am

          It is true, most muslims have no fucking clue about Islam.
          They don’t know the call to violence in their retarded book, the discrimination of jews and women etc

          That still does not change the fact that they DO NOT stand up against Islam, they excuses any acts by saying “that is not the real islam” while they are completely clueless about their own religion.

          But i dont blame muslims, i blame ANYONE defending and excusing muslims/islam.
          -If a dog bites people every day yet nobody says anything to the dog, is it the dogs fault for being aggressive? No.
          -Same for kids, if your child insults people every day or kills animals and nobody does anything about it, is it the childs fault? No.

          It is our politicians who only care about REMAINING in power and these pieces of shit are watching as they own countries are falling and making up excuses or arresting anyone who calls these crimes out, just to get the muslim and retarded leftist’s votes .

        • J D S says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 10:30 pm

          @ Rasmussen…I was going to post the same thing..Where are the throngs of so called moderate Muslims screaming in the streets, on TV, Radio, Social media etc, that murdering innocent people is not condoned in their religion.
          Oh Maybe there is Fear of being killed by their own kind that is holding them in place but there was Fear when many fought for the freedom of religion and the many other freedoms we enjoy today and Muslims are just riding on the cost tails..Get out there in the streets and get dirty and bloody.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 10:51 pm

          StellaSaidSo wrote:

          @ gravenimage

          Who suggested that ‘we should not say anything critical of Islam lest we offend these moderates…?’ I certainly did not.
          …………………..

          One often hears this–it is very common. I did not, of course, say that StellaSaidSo said this. Not every comment posted at Jihad Watch is a reference to her.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 10:02 am

          @ gravenimage

          I asked the question for clarification. Your post appeared to be a reference to a post on this thread. I wondered who said it. No need for you to get your knickers in a knot.

      • Jaladhi says

        Oct 12, 2018 at 9:35 am

        Again, it is Westerner’s delusion that there are moderate Muslims – no there are none. Those who you think are moderate Muslims only pretend to be moderate and when chips are down and there is a call from regular on the street Muslims, the same so called “moderate” Muslims will join them in carrying out Quran’s orders!

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 9:58 am

          @ Jaladhi

          You don’t know me, Jaladhi, and you don’t know the Muslims I have known.. Sure, there are Muslims who pretend to be moderate in order to gain advantage. And there are Muslims who are obliged to pretend to be pious because it isn’t safe to appear otherwise.

        • Lavéritétriomphera says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 3:33 pm

          @Jaladhi,

          OK, a totalitarian ideology can not be moderated by definition. If it is, it would not be totalitarian. The “moderate” Muslim lies to himself, often unknowingly.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 3:57 pm

          @ LVT

          In my experience, it is the ‘moderate’ (or ‘lax’, or ‘lapsed’, or ‘nominal’) Muslim who is more honest with himself, because he has actually questioned aspects of his faith. The pious Muslim, on the other hand, never doubts that the Koran is the infallible word of Allah or that he himself is the most superior of beings.

        • Lavéritétriomphera says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 3:30 am

          Hi StellaSaidSo,

          “Moderate” Muslims I know, do not know their Koran or lie to themselves. It’s easier to lie to yourself than to recognize you have been misled. It is a pathological accommodation.
          Amitiès

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 4:16 pm

          Not every lax Muslim has rejected Islam–or even aspects of Islam–due to a principled, in-depth analysis of Islam and its tenets. Some just like eating bacon cheeseburgers and listening to pop music like the kids in school and think wearing the Hijab is a pain.

          Indeed, some of these lax Muslims *do* later re-embrace their vicious faith, sometimes with all the violent horrors that so often entails. Not all, of course–but all too many.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 2:54 pm

          @ thebigW

          I agree entirely – ‘we need them the hell out’. Unless they are prepared to conform 100% to our rules and our values. My point is that there ARE Muslims who want to do exactly that, but busting out of prison isn’t easy, especially if you’re female.

          I’m not asking anyone to ‘trust’ my ‘knowledge’, but please be assured that I do speak from experience. Not every Muslim is our enemy, and some Muslims need a friend on the outside if they are to safely make the leap to apostasy. No-one can deny that our cause has benefited enormously from the contribution of brave apostates like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Ibn Warraq and others.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 6:04 am

          @ thebigW

          So, helping Muslims to become apostates isn’t ‘good for our safety’? Riiiight.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 3:37 pm

          True, thebigW. Most Muslims are not going to listen to the ‘filthy Infidels’ and apostatize.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 15, 2018 at 6:01 am

          @ gravenimage

          Nobody claimed that ‘most’ Muslims are going to listen to the “filthy infidels” and become apostates. Nevertheless, thousands have done exactly that.

      • ann says

        Oct 12, 2018 at 10:57 am

        The problem is that the “moderate” Muslims know better than anyone how greatly Islam is to be feared, and they know enough to keep their mouths shut. And so very few of them raise their voice in protest at the innumerable acts of violent jihad carried out by their co-religionists. Very few or no protests, no letters to the editor, very little outcry. They’re glad to take what the West had to offer them, but will not defend our civilization or our values.

        And a distressing majority say that they would rather live under the extremely brutal and intolerant sharia.

        I think that the most you can say is that most Muslims do not personally murder anyone, but by being Muslim, they implicitly approve of and support other Muslims doing so. It is, after all, explicitly commanded in all the foundational texts of Islam that every able-bodied Muslim wage violent jihad to force everyone in the world to submit to the sharia, and pay the onerous zakat tax and accede to humiliating, semi-slave status, or convert to Islam.

        There is not one single humane, generous, loving aspect to Islam as a religion or the example of its founder, Muhammad. I understand that Muslim by and large are born to Muslim families and that a lot of physical and moral intimidation are involved in making them remain in the fold. But they must understand that Islam is contemptible, and more and more people in the world are learning the truth about Islam and rejecting it, not only for themselves but as a presence in their countries. Every day large numbers of Muslims leave Islam, at great peril to their lives, and many of them convert to Christianity. And that is the way that it is going to go. All these Muslims who are just going along to get along must realize that the moment is coming when they must decide with whom to cast their lot.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 11:23 am

          Sorry, ann, but many Muslims have not read the Koran, and if they have grown up in an environment where strict Koranic compliance is not demanded, they will not necessarily know ‘how greatly Islam is to be feared’.

          As for ‘letters of protest’, have YOU ever tried to get such a letter published? How would you know how many such letters have been sent, or who sent them?

          How would you know how many Muslims voted for Marine Le Pen? I don’t know how many, either; but I have it on very good authority that some did.

          You concede that, ‘every day, Muslims leave Islam, at great peril to their lives’ – yet you criticise them for ‘keeping their mouths shut’.

          I agree that, sooner or later, Muslims must decide with whom to ‘cast their lot., but some have already cast their lot with us, and perhaps more would do so if we were less inclined to tar them all with the same brush.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 1:03 pm

          @ ann

          Here’s ‘Khadija’, a Muslim woman who grew up in a British Muslim family which took a very relaxed attitude toward their faith.

          It was not until she married a Muslim man that she discovered ‘how greatly Islam is to be feared’.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 1:09 pm

          Hmm. It appear that this video has been censored. You will find it by searching ‘Ex-Muslim talk at For Britain conference 2018’ on YouTube. I recommend that you do so before it is removed completely, as has been the fate of so much important information recently.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 7:17 pm

          The video probably has not been censored. Some formats play world-wide; some are specific to Europe, North America, or Australia.

          Let’s see if this will post here:

      • Elisha says

        Oct 13, 2018 at 2:40 am

        Stella, there are ONLY two types of adherents of any religion – orthodox or heterodox.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 3:21 am

          Indeed – and ‘heterodox’ includes any departure from ‘orthodox’, ie any dissent from, or different interpretation of, the official position. What exactly is your point?

      • Sentinel says

        Oct 13, 2018 at 10:58 am

        By all means befriend Muslims and share Jesus as known by the Christians with them.

        • Lavéritétriomphera says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 11:31 am

          A priest said to my brother many “Muslims” become Christians, but some become atheists. Islam is incompatible with modernity.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 12:05 am

          I’m glad when any Muslim leaves Islam.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 5:40 am

          @ gravenimage

          Sure you are. And what are you prepared to do to help them leave?

        • Lavéritétriomphera says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 6:51 am

          Hi,

          A Muslim who accepts criticism of his religion is an apostate who (often) does not know himself. That is why the totalitarian ideologies forbid questioning of the dogma.
          Amitiès

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 12:21 pm

          @ LVT

          Yes, according to the hard-liners, any Muslim who questions Islam is an apostate. (If the apostasy laws were abandoned, Islam would collapse.) However, there are many Muslims who don’t follow the strictest interpretation of their religion who nevertheless consider themselves Muslims.

        • Lavéritétriomphera says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 1:18 pm

          Bonsoir,

          You put a very important concern on the table, we must not confuse identities with convictions, Muslims are not a people or a race.
          Amitiès

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 3:49 pm

          I wrote:

          I’m glad when any Muslim leaves Islam.

          StellaSaidSo wrote:

          @ gravenimage

          Sure you are. And what are you prepared to do to help them leave?
          ……………………….

          Actually, I urged the US to give Ayaan Hirsi Ali asylum, and have written British authorities about protecting apostates in the UK.

          But I do not think it is a good idea to allow Muslims to flood into the West on the off chance that a few may leave Islam. This is *not* something I am prepared to do (note this is not necessarily something that StellaSaidSo has herself advocated; I don’t know–but it is something that many hoping Muslims will leave Islam certainly say. I think it is terribly dangerous).

          I have also talked to quite a few Muslims–if any showed any signs of wanting to leave Islam, I would be glad to help. So far the responses have not been encouraging…

          I have always commented in support of Muslim apostates here, dating back years. Certainly, the implication that I don’t want Muslims to leave Islam is just baseless calumny.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 15, 2018 at 6:13 am

          @ gravenimage

          For someone who claims to be so keen to help apostates, you have had remarkably little to say in support of initiatives which aim to help Muslims to become apostates.

      • James Lincoln says

        Oct 13, 2018 at 3:47 pm

        StellaSaidSo,

        All Western countries need to put an immediate stop to the inflow of Saudi money to build Mosques. They are spending this money for one reason – to promote Wahhabism.

        The Saudi’s, of course, will not allow Western funded Christian cathedrals to be built on their soil.

        In the United States, Representative Dave Brat (R VA-7) introduced H.R. 5824, the Religious Freedom International Reciprocity Enhancement Act that would make it unlawful for foreign nationals of a country that limits the free exercise of religion in that country to make any expenditure in the United States to promote a religion in United States.

        The bill was introduced 14 July 2016 and is still being reviewed.

        We need action NOW.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 4:00 pm

          I agree completely, James Lincoln. And the sooner we start dismantling these vile structures, the safer and freer the world will be. I hope I live long enough to see the day!

      • Garfield says

        Oct 14, 2018 at 12:26 am

        No can do because TAQUIYYA.
        I refuse to trust a group that has taquiyya built into it. Not worth the risk. No.

    • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 4:20 pm

      I agree. All these closet apostates (and moderate Mohammadans) suddenly become hardcore when IS (or their ilk) “comes to town.” (Non-Mohammadans in Syria and Iraq can attest to this fact; when IS came to town all of their Mohammadan “friends” turned on them.) And as long as they are secret moderates they can always backslide, they can secretly support their brothers and sisters.
      The only time you trust a so-called closet apostate is when they actually “have some skin in the game.” That means coming out against their former religion and declaring themselves apostate. That sounds unfair but …. life’s like that.

      • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

        Oct 12, 2018 at 4:20 pm

        More from France:

        “New charges: French courts won’t leave Marine Le Pen alone”

        https://www.rt.com/news/441121-le-pen-psychiatric-evaluation/

      • StellaSaidSo says

        Oct 12, 2018 at 5:20 pm

        @ Flavius

        Indeed, I have made the point here and elsewhere, many times, that when, for example, the Saudi money and influence enters an existing Muslim community, the pressure on the members of that community to become more strict in their observance is immense. I have seen this first-hand in my own neighbourhood. I have protested alongside young Muslim university students who are as opposed as any ‘infidel’ to the issuing of yet another mosque permit. I have met teenage girls who live in fear of being taken ‘on holiday’ to Bangladesh. These kids have plenty of ‘skin in the game’, in the form of a fervent desire to escape completely a life of imprisonment in Islam.

        • Monte Cassino says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 5:53 pm

          Do you personally know any moderate or lapsed Muslims? I deal with several in my line of work and my experience is they all have one thing in common: hatred of Jews. Of course a lot of people hate Jews but it’s as if Muslims possess a genetic disposition. I’d love to find a silent growing demographic of recovering Muslims. I pray that they leave. They fear reprisals and the enforcers are here. Don’t even compare them with ex Christians.

        • Indiana Tom says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 6:51 pm

          I have seen this first-hand in my own neighbourhood. I have protested alongside young Muslim university students who are as opposed as any ‘infidel’ to the issuing of yet another mosque permit. I have met teenage girls who live in fear of being taken ‘on holiday’ to Bangladesh.
          So are they really Muslims in the first place and why?
          Sort of like saying sharing and caring Nazis.
          People swept up in the Nazi regime could be caring and sharing, but then they really were not true Nazis.

        • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 7:05 pm

          By ‘skin in the game’ I mean picking a side, making it known and sticking with it. I don’t mean, they have something to lose and will play it one way or another, one day at a time, depending on the present situation or who’s in power.

          As far as I’m concerned the Mohammadans in the closet are far more dangerous than the hardcore adherents. These people unknowingly drive the spread of Mohammadism worldwide. (One could say that at least the ‘hardcores’ show their cards – and thus are easy to defeat.)

          Remember, all Mohammadans are guilty. They are guilty of teaching their children and grandchildren that Mohammad was the very best of men and the ultimate example to imitate.

          There is only one uhma. And if you were born to it or converted to it (even under false pretenses) and have not subsequently openly dissociated yourself from it then you are still a part of it. And if you’re a part of it then you are a threat to Dar al Harb. Sorry – life’s a bi*ch.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 7:24 pm

          True, Flavius–if it comes down to a full takeover by Islam, few if any of these moderate Muslims will actually stand with us.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 1:01 am

          @ Monte Cassino

          The ‘silent growing demographic of recovering Muslims’ does exist, and there are more of them than you think.

          @ Indiana Tom

          Yes, they were ‘really Muslims in the first place’. They were born into it. They didn’t have a choice.

          @ Flavius

          I don’t believe that a teenager who is running from a forced marriage is ‘a threat to the dar al-Harb’. Do you? Seriously?

          @ gravenimage

          The ‘takeover’ is in progress, and more Muslims are leaving Islam every day, some of them with the help and support of ‘infidels’. You know, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who was helped by ‘infidels’, and who now stands with us.

        • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 2:16 am

          “I don’t believe that a teenager who is running from a forced marriage is ‘a threat to the dar al-Harb’. Do you? Seriously?”

          Yes. And yes, seriously. Until they openly turn against Mohammadism (and that means taking on all the risks of apostasy) they are a threat. They are a threat because they will inevitably take part in passing this lie of Mohammadism down to the next generation.

          How do you think this disease/poison of humanity has stayed with us for fourteen centuries? How do you think we got here? Do you “seriously” think that all Mohammadans truly believe in hard-core Mohammadism? No. That’s not the dynamic. The vast majority of Mohammadans are lapsed or secret apostates. They just go along to get along. There’s their crime. But the next generation is taught the same lie because ma and pa, or grandpa and grandma ‘just went along.’ And the poison continues.

          And to add to this dynamic, there’s a fair number who, having secretly lapsed or apostatized, have returned to the religion, and with even greater vigor. I know of numerous cases where so-called secular/areligious Mohammadans had married non-Mohammadans and then suddenly became religious again. Then they re-adopted all the Mohammadan ways. Usually, they end up abducting their children from their spouse. Take them to some Mohammadan country or environment so that their children can be raised as “good muslims.”

          By the way, there are a lot of teens running from forced marriage who had the guts to openly walk away from Mohammadism. Some of them write for this website.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 3:28 am

          @ Flavius

          So what would you do if a teenager running from a forced marriage came to you for help?

        • Flavius Claudius Iulianus says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 4:08 am

          “So what would you do if a teenager running from a forced marriage came to you for help?”

          Put them in contact with one or all of the apostates (running from forced marriage) that I am aware of (as per my last comment – people who have written for this website). They, more than anyone, would know how this person should proceed.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 13, 2018 at 4:55 am

          @ Flavius

          Thankyou for your reply, Flavius. I am relieved to know that you would help, given that, as per your 2:16am, such a person is ‘a threat to the dar al-Harb’!

          The whole purpose of my above posts is to make the point that we ‘infidels’ can play an important role in assisting prisoners to escape from Islam, and that maybe this is where more of our effort should be focused. But it won’t work if we assume that ALL Muslims are waiting for an opportunity to slash our throats.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 12:12 am

          Lots of Muslims are helped by Infidels–few of them, alas, are anything like brave apostate Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

          I had a chance to meet her in person some years ago when she was reading in San Francisco.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 12:13 am

          Monte Cassino, you are sadly right that hatred of Jews is rife, even among Muslims who are supposed to be moderate.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 12:16 am

          Flavius, you are right that even those Muslims victimized by Islam rarely reject that vicious creed. If they all did, then pretty much all Muslim women would be apostates.

        • Garfield says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 12:33 am

          Then they should leave it, stop dressing like muslims, abandon the whole ugly cult even if it means having to live in hiding. I don’t want to hear about the hardship of leaving a death cult. Islam is so vile…if a person had any guts and morality they would leave it and suffer whatever consequences they had to. Tired of this carp about how it’s hard to leave. So what! Leave. Never talk to any family members still in it. Tough shyt. Rejecting a cult means no contact with that cult and you lose all your “freinds”. SO?
          What is the damn whining about???

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 5:53 am

          @ gravenimage, Garfield

          Muslims, including Muslim women, leave Islam every day, and often suffer dire consequences. Those under the greatest threat are those whose families and communities are most devout. And the threat never ends. Last I heard, Ibn Warraq still wears a wig, and does not use his own name.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 3:52 pm

          The constant threats to Muslim apostates does not make Islam any better.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 15, 2018 at 6:16 am

          @ gravenimage

          ‘The constant threat to apostates does not make Islam any better.’

          What a ridiculous remark. As if anyone claimed that it did.

    • George Washington says

      Oct 13, 2018 at 11:40 pm

      Ask any moslem: Is there only one koran? Is there only one Islam? There is only one. In it are commands to “strike the infidel on the neck ” (beheading). It is the religion of death, murder, religiously sanctioned lying, stealing, and sex with children and animals.

  2. Resistance is not futile says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 8:47 am

    France and it’s Algerian scum.

    • StellaSaidSo says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 8:52 am

      And Moroccans, Libyans, Tunisians, Middle-Easterners, and – increasingly – sub-Saharan Africans.

  3. StellaSaidSo says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 8:47 am

    It is no surprise that the local imams won’t object to a jihad-sympathiser performing at the Bataclan. Throughout the West, approx. 80% of mosques are funded by the Saudis. The imams of the other 20% of Paris mosques no doubt keep their heads well below the parapet. The Parisian Muslims who marched in the Je Suis Charlie protest are not from the same Muslim communities which are served by the majority hard-line mosques.

    Medine sounds like a thoroughly nasty fellow who clearly incites violence, and maybe he could legally be locked up for it. But probably not for very long, in these politically-correct times; after all, Anjem Choudhary will shortly be back on London streets. And French prisons are already overflowing with Muslims.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 7:27 pm

      Alas, it is not just the Saudis who teach and practice Islam.

      • StellaSaidSo says

        Oct 13, 2018 at 1:14 am

        Well spotted, gravenimage. The 20% of mosques that aren’t Saudi is a bit of a clue, isn’t it?

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 14, 2018 at 1:36 am

        It’s not just the Saudis who teach and practice Islam, including the horrors of Jihad and Shari’ah.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 5:09 am

          Stating the bleeding obvious only once is not enough for you, apparently.

          I already noted that 80% of mosques are Saudi, which means that the other 20% are not. If JW readers didn’t already know that there is more than one version of Islam being promulgated, they could figure it out from my post.

          You appear to have missed the fundamental point here: that it is the most aggressive form of Islam, Wahhabism, which is progressing fastest through both East and West, and that this is why previously non-practising/lax/nominal/lapsed/moderate/whatever Muslims are under so much pressure. Small Muslim communities which have existed for years, observing their rituals in whatever space was available, at whatever time was convenient, suddenly find themselves hounded by sharia police once their sparkling new mosque is built and a new imam, straight from the 7thC, is installed. These are the people I am concerned about, and have worked with. And there are lots of them. So what if they don’t turn out to be another Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Surely, any effort spent in helping Muslims to leave Islam is not wasted.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2018 at 4:11 pm

          Alas, Wahhabism is orthodox Islam–it is not really a “different version” of Islam.

          Some Imams may omit of de-emphasize some of the more horrific aspects of Islam, but even they are not really preaching a different version of Islam.

          That the Saudis are funding so much Mosque building–and sometimes also providing the Imams–is a serious issue, but it is not the primary one. Islam itself is the problem.

          StellaSaidSo wrote:

          You appear to have missed the fundamental point here: that it is the most aggressive form of Islam, Wahhabism, which is progressing fastest through both East and West, and that this is why previously non-practising/lax/nominal/lapsed/moderate/whatever Muslims are under so much pressure. Small Muslim communities which have existed for years, observing their rituals in whatever space was available, at whatever time was convenient, suddenly find themselves hounded by sharia police once their sparkling new mosque is built and a new imam, straight from the 7thC, is installed. These are the people I am concerned about, and have worked with.
          ………………………..

          If these Muslims were truly devoted to a different version of Islam, they would not be pressured. But most of them know that this is indeed orthodox Islam.

          This is why while you sometimes find lax or “moderate” Muslims, you rarely find them rigorously resisting the imposition of more fundamental Islam.

          This is always the problem with “moderate” Muslims–they are always apt to become more devout, with the resulting horrors of oppression and violence.

          More:

          And there are lots of them. So what if they don’t turn out to be another Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Surely, any effort spent in helping Muslims to leave Islam is not wasted.
          ………………………..

          No, not every Muslim apostate is like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, nor would I expect them to be.

          A lax Muslim is not an apostate, though–they are more likely to re-embrace their vicious creed as to leave it.

          Infidels can certainly try to get Muslims to leave Islam–but as a defense against Jihad, it sadly is not apt to be much of a plan. Few Muslims are likely to listen to the “filthy Infidels” unless they had one foot out the door already.

          It was, for instance, not pressure from Infidels that led Ayaan Hirsi Ali to leave Islam.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 15, 2018 at 6:56 am

          @ gravenimage

          Wahhabism is the strictest interpretation of SUNNI Islam. There are other sects apart from Sunni, in case you didn’t know (they’re in the 20%, right?), and there are Sunni Muslims who aren’t Wahhabis. Nobody claimed that Islam itself is not the main problem. This hardly needs to be said. But anyone who has been paying attention knows that the biggest threat to both Muslims and infidels in the West (and elsewhere, eg SE Asia) today is the spread of Wahhabism. And, by the way, the Saudis don’t ‘sometimes’ provide the imams in Saudi-funded mosques; they invariably do.

          I did not claim that a ‘lax’ Muslim is an apostate, although a strict Muslim would no doubt consider him so. Nor did I claim, as you imply, that every apostate is ‘like Ayaan Hirsi Ali’. We don’t know how many Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s are out there. And we won’t, if we close our ears to them. I don’t think anyone claimed that it was ‘pressure from infidels’ that led Hirsi Ali away from Islam. As her biography reveals, support from infidels played an important part in her escape. As it has done in the thousands of cases where Muslims have converted to Christianity.

          It is truly remarkable how many things you can get wrong in a single post. Read my posts again. It is precisely the Muslims with ‘one foot out the door’ that I have been talking about.

  4. Hugh Fitzgerald says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 9:56 am

    Why did the government of Qatar buy the Bataclan? Might it have been in order to stage performances by those who, like Medine, are Muslim or even if non-Muslim, sing the praises of the faith? In this particularly outrageous case, Medine was forced to withdraw, but there are other performers who have been, or will be allowed, such as Sting singing “Inshallah.” Isn’t a Muslim owner, and Muslim performers, at the Bataclan, where 130 people were murdered by Muslim terrorists,akin to the attempt to build a mosque near Ground Zero?

    • StellaSaidSo says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 10:15 am

      @ Hugh

      ‘…akin to the attempt to build a mosque near Ground Zero?’

      Absolutely right, Hugh.

      The Bataclan Theatre was owned for decades by a Jewish family. It was sold on September 11th, 2015 to the Qatari media conglomerate which owns Al-Jazeera. It is pretty clear that the Bataclan was purchased for propaganda purposes, and that the gloating will continue, with or without the odious Medine.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 7:36 pm

      It sounds as though the Qataris bought the theater not long before the attacks–but the theater had been targeted before, since it was known as being Jewish-owned.

      Here’s an article from the Times of Israel:

      “Jewish owners recently sold Paris’s Bataclan theater, where IS killed dozens”

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-owners-recently-sold-pariss-bataclan-theater-where-is-killed-dozens/?fb_comment_id=903839989692706_904857486257623

      It may or may not be coincidence that the deal closed on September 11.

      • StellaSaidSo says

        Oct 13, 2018 at 1:08 am

        ‘…It may or may not be a coincidence…’

        Nothing that jihadis do on September 11 is ever a coincidence. 9/11 has been a significant date since Vienna, 1683.

  5. Michael Copeland says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 2:03 pm

    “One hundred thirty people were killed and hundreds others injured”…..
    and many grotesquely tortured and butchered.
    That part is often left out.

    • Indiana Tom says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 6:46 pm

      By the Western mainstream media.
      Anyone who reads the Muslim sources should not be surprised because this is the ultimate end goal of Islam.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 7:38 pm

      Grimly true, Michael.

  6. Indiana Tom says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 6:43 pm

    Concert by pro-jihad Muslim performer at site of jihad massacre canceled
    Awww…shucks, now we will miss out on the Jihadi Victory Hop.

  7. gravenimage says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 7:07 pm

    France: Concert by pro-jihad Muslim performer at site of jihad massacre canceled
    ……………………

    It does not surprise me that no Imam had complained about this; what I wondered was why the Bataclan would ever agree to booking a Jihadist. That was before I learned that the Bataclan is now *owned by a Muslim group*.

    Did they just consider this a good investment, or did they specifically buy this theater because it was the site of murderous Jihad terror?

    In any case, I am heartened to hear that the French objected to this out-and-out Jihadist appearing there.

  8. Frederick King says

    Oct 13, 2018 at 3:52 am

    Do both sexes of muslims attend these concerts ? Do the bump wearing burka ? Probably just men and girl/ boys like in Afghanistan.

  9. alex Reid says

    Oct 13, 2018 at 10:28 am

    There is no such thing as moderate Islam, there is just Islam! The direct words of Turkish President, Erdogan. Never seen marches in Europe/elsewhere by “moderate” Muslims. Have you? All this is, the psychological show that Islam & Muslims are taking over. The Mosques going up in Europe tend to be built on old sites of derelict churches. In New York City, just around the corner from ‘Ground Zero’, a Mosque goes up. Down in Florida, where that massacre occurred at the club for gays, a Mosque was put in at the Airport. It is there not so subtle way of saying, “You, are finished & Islam & the Muslims are taking over. We can do anything we want to you & you can do nothing about it.”

  10. terry says

    Oct 13, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    I’m sure the massive protests by muslims because this jihadi does not represent true islam were the driving force to the cancellation.

  11. UNCLE VLADDI says

    Oct 13, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    Re: “In the three years since, the Bataclan, now owned by a Qatari group” … so the cuckolded former owners Submitted and sold out to muslims for money. It should become a parking lot.

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