“Some local groups opposed the installation of the cross at the time claiming it was offensive to migrants who are not Christian.”
And now the cross has been destroyed, just so that everyone knows which group comes first now.
‘It was hatred’ – Locals react to vandalised #Cross in #Lesbos #Greece pic.twitter.com/EuUqTQv99r
— Ruptly (@Ruptly) October 10, 2018
“Anger at Destroyed Holly [sic] Cross on Greece’s Lesvos (video),” by Tasos Kokkinidis, Greek Reporter, October 11, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Locals reacted with anger after a Holy Cross was destroyed by unknown vandals earlier in the week on the Greek island of Lesvos.
The symbol of Orthodoxy was erected by a religious group in September at the rocky shore of Apelli, beneath the emblematic castle of Lesvos’ capital, Mytilene.
Some local groups opposed the installation of the cross at the time claiming it was offensive to migrants who are not Christian.
An NGO called “Movement for Coexistence and Communication in the Aegean” said that it was inappropriate to turn a Christian symbol “to a tool of aspiring crusaders.” It also argued that the cross was placed there to prevent migrants from swimming.
A few days later, the cross was found destroyed.
“Why did the symbol of Orthodoxy bother them? I am sorry as a Greek,” said a local resident.
Another said that the culprits broke the cross with hatred. “The cross was made of cement…Somebody went over with a sledge hammer and broke it. That was hatred.”
andra says
I will never understand this kind of argumentation.
Why should the religious symbol of a cross be offensive? But the minarette is not offensive.
Why is the feast of St. Martin offensive? But the Sugar feast is not offensive.
Why is the mini skirt offensive? But the hijab is not.
And these people who argue that way do not even see their one sided argumentation if you ask them.
mortimer says
Andra raises some good points from a secular point of view. I continue in the same vein.
The cross symbolizes a call to self-sacrifices in the service of others… others who are of equal value in God’s sight to ourselves. The crescent symbolizes the enslavement of others … dirty kafirs and women who are not equal to Muslim males.
The miniskirt symbolizes liberation, but the hijab symbolizes the enslavement and segregation of women.
Which symbols are more appropriate to an enlightened age of human rights? Which symbols represent backwardness and oppression?
You be the judge. In my opinion, the Leftists are promoting backwardness and oppression by promoting Islam.
boakai ngombu says
continuing …
the Ten Commandments show what is righteous. the SHARIA sanctifies immorality.
Savvy Kafir says
It’s ridiculously easy to come up with a better set of 10 commandments for actual moral behavior, as many non-believers have done.
Keeping the Sabbath holy, making no graven images, and not taking the the Lord’s name in vain don’t really qualify as “righteous” behavior as far as I’m concerned. Those are throwaways. And for a non-believer, the idea of “having no other gods before me” is just nonsensical; but apparently God thought it important enough to make it #1. He seems a little touchy about that one.
Having said all of that, it still pisses me off when uppity Muslim thugs vandalize crosses, churches, synagogues, etc. Those punks should have their own crowbars, spray paint, etc. turned against them — just before they’re thrown on a plane headed to some Muslim-majority sh*t-hole, where they can spend the rest of their miserable, hate-filled lives among fellow savages.
Brien says
The ‘ten commands’ never existed in real history – Time to grow up!!!
Indiana Tom says
And for a non-believer, the idea of “having no other gods before me” is just nonsensical; but apparently God thought it important enough to make it #1. He seems a little touchy about that one.
Probably because a lot of other pagan gods could get fairly immoral. Ya know, such as Molech.
Indiana Tom says
Keeping the Sabbath holy, making no graven images, and not taking the the Lord’s name in vain don’t really qualify as “righteous” behavior as far as I’m concerned.
The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Allied POWS in Japanese camps got disoriented having all the days the same.
So you like worshipping graven images made of earthly materials made by human hands? Instead of God creating humans, humans create gods.
Elisha says
Savvy Kafir says: “It’s ridiculously easy to come up with a better set of 10 commandments for actual moral behavior, as many non-believers have done.”
You mean like secular humanism’s subjective morality that has killed HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of humans in LESS than 100 years, notwithstanding the fact, of course, that your worldview CANNOT account for morality and reason in the first place.
“And for a non-believer, the idea of “having no other gods before me” is just nonsensical”
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. – 1 Corinthians 2:13-14
Seeking truth requires courage and humility:
The Lord IS NEAR TO ALL who call upon Him,
To all who CALL UPON HIM IN TRUTH. – Psalm 145:18
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“God RESISTS THE PROUD,
BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.” – James 4:6
Pride goes before destruction (Proverbs 16:18). Educate yourself!
https://bibleevidences.com/
https://creation.com/the-creation-answers-book-index
http://www.halos.com/index.htm
https://creation.com/lessons-from-mount-st-helens
http://www.100prophecies.org/
http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/biblicalarchaeology.html
http://www.jasonlisle.com/2012/05/17/on-the-origin-of-articles/#more-97
Seriously, how much evidence do you need?
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. – Hosea 4:6
Petra says
“Keeping the Sabbath holy, making no graven images, and not taking the the Lord’s name in vain don’t really qualify as “righteous” behavior as far as I’m concerned. Those are throwaways. And for a non-believer, the idea of “having no other gods before me” is just nonsensical; but apparently God thought it important enough to make it #1. He seems a little touchy about that one.”
Jesus likened it to a vine and its branches – the connection between the branch and the vine is absolutely essential for the life of the branch. God has no interest in us acknowledging him because he has a fragile ego: the commandment to acknowledge him is like saying to the branch “you must stay connected to me”. We were created by God out of love, and it is that loving relationship between us and him which keeps us alive in the most eternal sense. Here on earth we are all like little branches that ripped themseves off the vine, thinking they could go it alone. Now we’re lying here getting older and more withered, and one day will die forever. God sent Jesus to reconnect us to him, so that we can once again have the eternal life that we were made for. So that first commandments really is the most important, and the one from which all the others flow.
StellaSaidSo says
Well said, Savvy Kafir and Indiana Tom.
Christopher Hitchens had quite a bit to say along these lines about the10 commandments. I will try to find the references. (LOL, what am I thinking, you most likely know them already!)
StellaSaidSo says
@ Elisha
‘Secular Humanism’ never killed anybody. The atrocities to which you refer were committed in the name of Communism. Stop peddling lies. Jesus is watching you.
Jean says
mortimer.
As evil is offensive to good, so good is offensive to evil.
An image says more than a thousand words:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/immaculata/391053831
An illustration of the inner nature of Christianity and the inner nature of islam. In all of humanity, the virgin Mary and Muhammad are (as symbols) the farthest from one another. Christians should ask for her help to free humanity from his yoke. She is the one meant to do it. This is a mystery, but it is true.
Brien says
What ‘mary’ ?? …the one in the christian religion? the ‘mary’ who got pregnant out of wedlock and claimed a god did it ??
or the one who was raped by a god?
The European says
Leftist display a kind of arrested intellectual development. They cannot think properly, their mind is programmed; according to them, Muslims are always victims of Western colonialism and supremacism, they are the oppressed ones, the ” damnés de la terre,” exploited and despised by evil Westerners. No matter how often you prove them wrong and expose their fabrications, they will stick to their childish worldview and turn violent if you persist criticizing them. Leftist and Muslims have at least one thing in common: both of them reject and abhor critical thought and free thinking.
christianblood says
Greece was a hardcore Orthodox Christian heartland until the joined the atheistic, pro-islamist Liberal EU! Still this could be a fringe, pro-islamist liberal group that did this sacrilege to this Cross and they should be hunted down and punished for this!
Andreas says
I wish it were so. Yes , the Greek people are orthodox , and most of us believe . We might not go to church very often but that’s OK. The belief is deep. The Elite though , ie mainly the academy , artists , A large part of the so called professional classes , do not . Same as elsewhere in the west . We fought a Civil war against communism, which at the time rallied 20 % of the Greeks to the communist side. The percentage still stands. And they have, for now, won the peace , because of our Christian decency and our sincere wish to forgive and forget . Well the reds did not . And now , among other things , are replacing the 80% with Muslims and Africans . It is not the EU. If it were , we would just get out and presto, Islam problem solved . The Brits left . Did it work for their Islam
Problem? NO . The Poles and Hungarians are in . It is working for them . It is also starting to work for the Italians . Let us be honest , if we want to win this fight . I have lived in 17 countries , 10 EU ones . The majority of the people are pro Europe not because of the EU, but because they understand that we need to stick together with the other people of our heritage , lest we perish in a Sea of Islam (and Africa) . As for us Greeks, we have created our problems due to our shortsightedness and, to and extent , our Christian charity . We will have to solve them ourselves . Same goes for all the others . Including the US. EU bashing is not the way to do it
christianblood says
Andreas
You made some good points!
I would say as long as the pro-islamist, liberal EU establishment elites are running the show in Brussels the problem of immigration and the islamization of Europe will only increase in the coming years!
StellaSaidSo says
Andreas, I agree with christianblood that you make some good points. However, you also make some mistakes. For example, the Brits have not actually left the EU; the globalist EU won’t let them, and will fight just as hard to stop any other country from leaving.
You are wrong about the EU. It was not created to protect the individual nations of Europe, but to destroy them. As christianblood said, Brussels runs the show in Europe. And while Brussels wants mass immigration, there will be mass immigration. Getting OUT of the EU (or dismantling it) is the only option if European nations want to preserve their sovereignty, identity, and democracy.
christianblood says
StellaSaidSo posted
(…the Brits have not actually left the EU; the globalist EU won’t let them, and will fight just as hard to stop any other country from leaving…)
You are right, Stella! The EU is making Britain a good example of what happens when one chooses to be free from Brussels!
LB says
Andreas, while I agree that people influenced by leftist politics are most definitely a major part of the problem, I don’t understand how can you defend EU when they are the very reason this massive “migration” (invasion) started in the first place?! It may have started out as a good idea to unite our European cultures, but after gaining ground it showed its true globalist face.
That old drunk Juncker is constantly smearing and insulting those very counties you named (Hungary, Poland, Italy, etc.) just because they have the AUDACITY to REFUSE globalism! Even the globe statue in front of the EU HQ building is called “UNITED EARTH”!! How many more hints do you need?? Also, I’m pretty sure that Euro currency that you adopted since joining the EU is part of the reason why Greece is in such a massive debt.
How you can defend that infernal, Soros-bought, globalist machination is beyond me.
StellaSaidSo says
Well said, LB.
And you are absolutely right about the EU ruining Greece.
Brien says
Maybe they are offensive because they ‘are’ religious!!
Religions are based on lies, and continue in the face of logic, common sense, and modern knowledge with their fraudulent claims.
We, in the real world, are fed up with these religions.
Andreas says
I guess you are a troll . What is your point ? Your comment has nothing to do with the article . The Greeks , in our wisdom
, have decided to be Christian , and that happened 1700 years ago. Many , now a days do not believe. They are left alone (they do not leave us Christians alone but that’s another story) What about Islam? Do they leave non believers alone ??? All religions are the same ??? .
Lesbos is an island . For thousands of years people go out to sea at down , on flimsy craft , in order to put food on the table. So there are crosses . So they want God to help them come back. Same in Brittany, same in Ireland. So what is your or anybody else’s f… problem with it
christianblood says
Andreas posted
(..guess you are a troll . What is your point ? Your comment has nothing to do with the article . The Greeks , in our wisdom
have decided to be Christian , and that happened 1700 years ago. Many , now a days do not believe. They are left alone (they do not leave us Christians alone but that’s another story) What about Islam? Do they leave non believers alone ??? All religions are the same ???..)
Very well-said, Andreas!
Kay says
Brien is definitely a troll. All his comments are meant only to fire up anti-Christian sentiment.
Most in the world— even if not Christian or devout— just left Christians alone.
Look at those who won’t, the persecutors. Most of them are mohammedens. Some others espouse immorality and slander Christians to justify themselves.
On JW when anti-Christian sentiment is aroused it only serves to redirect the conversation away from the concern about Mohammeden brutality.
christianblood says
Brien
If you are an anti-religion, join an atheistic forum or start your own one but don’t hijack the conversation here! Also, you better understand your ‘logic’ and the five senses you seem to be bragging about don’t even tell you a 01% of the nature of present reality!
(..We fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal..)
(2 Korinthians 4:18)
gravenimage says
So far, Brien’s only posts here have been either specifically smearing Christians, or pretending that all religions are as bad as Islam. Definitely a troll.
Garfield says
Brien…if thinking “ALL religions” are the problem and that’s as good as you can do figuring this issue out….you are to be pitied. Go somewhere and check if your diet is horribly deficient in vitamins or minerals…you’re not able to keep up mentally. Try and help yourself somehow.
Lydia Church says
“Some local groups opposed the installation of the cross at the time claiming it was offensive to migrants who are not Christian.”
Oh really?
Then Christians will invade muslim countries, and kick down their crescents because they are offensive to us as Christian migrants because we are not muslims! And we will put crosses up in their place!
We’ll show them who’s boss!!!
Frederick King says
The cross has the same effects on vampires. Would you want a million vampires migrating to your country ?
christianblood says
Frederick King
+1
gravenimage says
Spot on.
J D S says
Christians should be offended and also offensive for Christianities same.
Jacksonl3 says
“And these people who argue that way do not even see their one sided argumentation if you ask them.”
Ah, but you see: You’ve forgotten the superior Muslim insight, and the perfect Muslim religion. They can see what is hidden from you.
Andreas says
There is no way to reason with these people . And that is to put the fear of God in them . Violently .
I spent 2 years of my life on Lesbos and Chios , next door, to help defend it from the Turks, ie from
Islam . And for what? Last time I was there could not believe the depravity of the NGOs . Fake police cars (yes!), luxury living , terrorizing the population , mocking our
Flag (while an army guard was presenting arms ) As for the fake refugees and illegal immigrants , roaming the county side , stealing sheep and cattle and barbecuing them in plain sight. I was told some
Of those barbecues ended up burning olive groves .
A 70
Year old man shot in
The air in
Order to protect his flock , and was carted away in a
Police car .
These people (NGOs and illegals ) will , soon, be dealt with in the only way possible . Any time now
GreekEmpress says
Andreas,
Thank you for your service to Greece. I had ancestors who died fighting the Turks. I hope Greece can get out from under the boot of the EU and recover from the horrible financial condition they are in.
Brien says
What ‘mary’ ?? …the one in the christian religion? the ‘mary’ who got pregnant out of wedlock and claimed a god did it ??
or the one who was raped by a god?
gravenimage says
Does Brien actually have any problems with Muslim threats and violence? Not so you’d know it…
Brien says
All religions!! Equally!!
And Islam was a cheap copy and paste from the idiotic beliefs around.
gravenimage says
Except that the faithful of other religions are not mass raping and murdering unbelievers, as pious Muslims do, nor do other faiths teach this, as Islam does.
More false moral equivalence.
Richard says
@gravenimage
Does Brien actually have any problems with Muslim threats and violence?
@Brien:
All religions!! Equally!!
And Islam was a cheap copy and paste from the idiotic beliefs around.
“Brien” – educate yourself. The morality of Christ, do unto others, love your neighbour, is not the same as that of Islam. slay them wherever you find them. There are no teachings of Mary in the Bible.
StellaSaidSo says
@ gravenimage, Richard
‘Brien’ simply observed that Islam is a pastiche of earlier myths and faiths. This is true. No ‘moral equivalence’ was asserted; for ‘Brien’, all religions are equally daft. We should not expect, therefore, any engagement with ‘Brien’ on the matter of the superiority of ay one religion over another. ‘Brien’ was fishing for a bite, and he got two. Then he moved on. As trolls do.
gravenimage says
Actually, saying that all religions are the same *is* moral equivalence. I don’t think it is wrong to make note of that.
StellaSaidSo says
@ gravenimage
No. Saying that all religions are daft is not ‘moral equivalence’, as no moral comparison is being made. You really don’t have a clue about debate, do you?
Andreas says
Why don’t you just jump from a tall building or something?
christianblood says
+1
gravenimage says
Appalling, Andreas.
Greece bravely fought for her freedom against Muslim conquest two hundred years ago–now so many there are just bowing to the Muslim invasion. I wonder how many Greeks know their brave history? I would guess very few.
Andreas says
It is, practically, not taught in the schools. The currently approved history goes something this:
The Ancient Greeks were a bunch of racists misogynistic slaveowners .
The Romans (Byzantines) were religious fanatics
The fighters of the War for Independence were war criminals
The Muslims are poor victims of colonialism (never mind we were ourselves a
Muslim colony )
Sounds familiar?
Richard says
Possibly the same is being taught in Spain and in schools throughout the western world
christianblood says
Richard posted
(..Possibly the same is being taught in Spain and in schools throughout the western world..)
True. 100% the same is taught throughout the Western world!
Kay says
@Richard
Yes, even in the US, more than we know or care to know.
“Acceptable” opinions are foisted off as education now.
Complex investigation is reduced to 2 sides: the right side and the “bigoted, racist” unacceptable side.
Students need to pass the test and get a grade. Parents have their own jobs and can’t be entirely aware of the new “curriculum.”
gravenimage says
Very depressing, Andreas. I wish I could say I was surprised.
christianblood says
Chios, the home of the blessed Saint Markella!
Greece was a Holy Land! May God Restore Greece To Its Original Holiness and its Divine Wisdom! May the Greek people reject the trappings of the false materialistic
worldview and return to the eternal Truth of the Spirit!
gravenimage says
Chios is also the site of a series of horrific Ottoman massacres of Christian Greeks during the fight for freedom there in the 1820s. An estimated 20 thousand were slaughtered, and most of the 70 thousand survivors were enslaved.
Here is the powerful painting by French master Eugène Delacroix, The Massacre at Chios, from 1824:
http://www.eugene-delacroix.com/images/paintings/the-massacre-at-chios.jpg
Kay says
Photos of these barbecues and burning olive groves should be put on a poster encouraging voter turnout.
There are serious questions to address and I fear the populace is largely unaware of all that is happening in their midst.
Andreas says
They know all right . It is illegal to do this . You stand to loose your job and livelihood and possibly your freedom. The communist government even outlawed the word λαθρομετανάστης which means illegal immigrant . The only reason I can tell the truth is because I work abroad . Please spread the word . There is NO democracy in Greece. Not anymore
Kay says
Really scary. I will try to spread the word.
Do you have any journalists who work abroad? Anyone who can publish this info?
gravenimage says
Very troubling.
Halal Bacon says
I am waiting for the shitslamist to destroy the Great Pyramids
mortimer says
They already tried and succeeded to destroy many ancient Egyptian artefacts, but the pyramids were too big for them. Now, with modern explosives some Islamist is sure to attempt it.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes. Also of interest is the fact that Napoleon’s troops did NOT shoot off the nose of the Great Sphinx with their cannons. Most likely the damage was done on the orders of a Sufi Muslim named Muhammad Sa’im al-Dahr in 1378 AD. See this link:
http://www.avalanchepress.com/Sphinx.php
gravenimage says
True, CogitoErgoSum.
In fact, far from destroying ancient Egyptian artifacts, Napoleon and the French invented the discipline of archaeology to study them.
StellaSaidSo says
@ gravenimage
You give too much credit to Napoleon. Archaeology developed out of antiquarianism. Its systematisation as a science began during the 17th and 18th centuries – before Napoleon’s time – the first excavations occurring in England during the 17thC. Napoleon’s interest in this new science helped to popularise it, and the 19thC was a period of much enthusiastic digging in several now-famous locations.
gravenimage says
Yes, one can make this argument re antiquarianism. I was simplifying things a bit when I referred to activities in Egypt under Napoleon as the founding of archaeology–but this was certainly its first full expression in the modern sense of the term. I did not think it necessary to lay out the entire origin of the discipline here.
I am hardly an unalloyed fan of Napoleon–I consider him a dictator–but the French (and the British) did indeed pioneer this field.
My main point is that far from barging in to Egypt and destroying artifacts, the French–followed by the British–actually studied and preserved them.
Things are not much different today. Few Muslims are involved with this. Most of them consider such history nothing but “worthless Jahillya”.
My mother-in-law was involved with Egyptology at Emory University in Atlanta, and was–perhaps unwisely–involved with repatriating the mummy of Ramses I to Egypt before the “Arab Spring”, and I have a degree in Art History.
StellaSaidSo says
@ gravenimage
Indeed, ‘one can make this argument re antiquarianism’, because unlike your vastly ‘oversimplified’ (!) claim that Napoleon invented archaeology, it is a fact..
The first recorded scientific archaeological excavations were of the megalithic monuments in the south of England during the late 17thC. John Aubrey’s ‘Monumenta Britannica’, compiled between 1663 and 1693, catalogues numerous ‘digs’, including Stonehenge.
Of course, none of these explorations were on the grand scale which would be seen in the 18th and 19th centuries, which is undoubtedly why the names of the early pioneers of the discipline have faded into obscurity. The point of my post was simply to give credit where credit is due.
Butch says
“I am waiting for the shitslamist to destroy the Great Pyramids”.
What makes you think they would have a problem with that?
christianblood says
Halal Bacon
As soon as they take control of Egypt, they (Islamists) will definitely destroy the Great Pyramids! Even, now as we speak, there are battalions of Egyptian military guarding the Great Pyramids and other historical places in Egypt!
Jedothek says
I assume the culprits are Muslim, tho we don’t know that. This is an occasion for those who do not yet get it to see that many Muslims ( a majority?) do not accept our rules of fair play at all. The dialogue would go like this:
“How can u destroy that cross? How would you like it if Christians tore down a mosque?”
“But the difference is: we a re right and they a re wrong.”
christianblood says
Jedothek
Muslims have deep hatred for the Cross and Leftists (who also hate the Cross) are helping them destroy it! It is a marriage made in hell!
Buraq says
Someone needs to buy a powerful projector and project an image of the cross on the night sky, every night! They can’t knock that down!
Clowns!
Butch says
They will destroy the projector, and if they can’t, then they will try to destroy the sky.
Indiana Tom says
I think somebody watched Batman on TV too many times. Holy Cross Batman!
Granddaddy says
So much for coexistence.
Milad says
Leftists are paid by Muslims’Zakah collections collected in Mosques every Friday
DogOnPorch says
Islam is offensive to non-Muslims.
DogOnPorch says
Offensive…pardon.
No Muzzies Here says
Several countries have a cross on their flag. The UK, Greece, Switzerland and the Scandinavian countries. Which one will be the first to strip the cross out of their flag, so as to prove their submission to their new masters, while claiming that it is out of a desire not to offend?
My vote goes to Sweden.
R Russell says
You forgot, Scotland, England and N Ireland, or all together in the Union flag.
gravenimage says
R Russell, No Muzzies Here did indeed mention the UK flag.
Walter Sieruk says
This Cross of the Greek Orthodox Church was a religious symbol that would be , by the Islamic way of thinking , a religious affront to Muslims and therefore very offensives to Muslims. The point is if Muslims were the ones responsible for the vandalism of that Orthodox Cross then they shouldn’t have moved to Greece to ,what else did the expect to see in the nation Greece in regard to religion ?
Furthermore, if Muslims really did carry out this act of vandalism because they happen to be offended by the Cross then by their behavior those Muslim who did this have exposed their own primitive Islamic mindset. The word “primitive ” is indeed, a very fitting word to describe them because respect for private property is one of the very foundation of civilization. Those Muslims didn’t have to like see the cross but that doesn’t mean the the had the right to destroy it For that religious symbol was not their property to destroy.
By the way, I do practice what I preach. For as a Christian and an American I respect private property. So as much as I might detest and find something someone else owns and values i will not vandalize it For that item I find offence to even see is not might to vandalize or destroy. For example ,this coming December, in my home city, ,many people will put up Santa Clause drawings and statues . As much as I totally detest that third level myth of “Santa Clause” I will not touch it in any way. For that someones private property . The reasons why I detest that S.C myth is beyond the scope easy. The idea is those vandalizing Muslims have shown that they are uncivilized , in their Islamic ways, by complete lack of respect for private property .
R Russell says
“……..For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God………” The New Testament.
God grant they find out the truth of the above statement very soon.
christianblood says
R Russell
+1
CogitoErgoSum says
I think the cross should be replaced …. but with the addition of a statue of Muhammad with arms outspread and on his knees beneath it.
DHazard says
Breaking news. Christians were insulted and nobody died. There were no riots, no marches, no political hand wringing, no proposals, no new laws, no special units and no studies to understand the repercussions of the “hate crime”.
Indiana Tom says
Some local groups opposed the installation of the cross at the time claiming it was offensive to migrants who are not Christian.
I agree that we would not want the jihadis to feel alienated to their new conquest…er…homeland..
Following this line of thinking, all of the churches should be converted to mosques immediately.
For a more warming and friendly atmosphere….
Brien says
What ‘mary’ ?? …the one in the christian religion? the ‘mary’ who got pregnant out of wedlock and claimed a god did it ??
or the one who was raped by a god?
gravenimage says
Brien is so wedded to this inanity that he had to spam it here twice.
christianblood says
gravenimage
You are right Graven! Brien should join ISIS and other islamists that share his hate for Christianity, the islamists would welcome him with open hands!
Kay says
I think it’s his third time.
He is indeed trying to get an argument going about Mary. But her humility is followed by those who love her. And many know that she doesn’t need us to defend her.
gravenimage says
Right you are, Kay–three times. Very ugly.
Jean says
Brien.
The Mary who inspired this song.
Richard says
“I believe that, in aligning itself as it has so completely with the fascism of Islam and in colluding with an ideology that wants to victimise minorities and kill people for their lifestyle, the liberal left has lost its way, lost its moral authority and [has] become a threat to our freedom.” Excerpt from Pat Condell’s Apologists for Evil
Surely the most deluded people on the planet are idealistic, left wing, and gay people, who think they share a common cause with Muslims as “two oppressed minorities” and apologise for Islam. The most Islamic of countries kill gays by law, by hanging, stoning or beheading. Muslim countries, less Islamic, more “moderate” imprison and flog homosexuals, besides treating religious minorities as second-class citizens.
JAG says
“This isn’t the first time militants have attacked Christian monuments.
In 2017, a Statue of St. Junipero Serra in Los Angeles was spray painted with the word “murder.”
A couple months later, another Statue of St. Serra located at a Catholic Mission in California was beheaded and red spray paint was used to depict pouring blood.
In Germany in 2016, dozens of Christian statues were vandalized in the state of North Rine-Westphalia.
The faces of the states were destroyed, with noses hacked off and eyes scratched.
In Vineland, New Jersey, in 2014, a nativity statue and other statues of local churches were vandalized.
The nativity statue featured a beheaded Jesus and massive shotgun-esque holes in Mary and Joseph’s heads.
A statue of Mary was also beheaded in the New Jersey town.”
https://culturewatchnews.com/what-these-anti-christian-militants-just-did-will-make-your-blood-boil/
Kay says
Terrible. The destruction of statues and monuments and the death of martyrs and persecution of living Christians is all heartbreaking.
Yet though we do not completely understand it, we believe in eternal life.
Marigold says
The Greek people like the rest of Europe and the UK will eventually get what they truly deserve because in their capriciousness they abandoned their own spiritual, cultural and political values long ago which were founded on Christianity more than 2000 years ago.Christian churches and chapels were emptying long before 9/11.Something has to fill the fill the void and that something is obviously political Islam. It is ony a matter of time but our so called self hating leaders are too blind and stupid to see it
StellaSaidSo says
And what, exactly, do you think the people of Europe ‘truly deserve’?
gravenimage says
Do Muslims “deserve” to conquer us?
Baucent says
Apparently after the destruction of the cross, incensed Greek residents restored the cross to it’s original place.
gravenimage says
Good.
Hal says
It is very simple: Islam and Christianityy are at war.
They have always been at war, and Islam has always been the aggressor.
They will always be at war until Islam triumphs or until its Satanic order is utterly destroyed.
islam will never allow peace while other religions – Christianity, Judeism, Buddhism, Taoism, – exist.
Bring back Ruchard the Lionheart!!
Giacomo Latta says
I can see why muslim countries have a half-moon on their flags. My grandpa had a half-moon on the outhouse at his cottage so it all ties together. But why are knives, bombs, throat-slitting equipment and other tools of islam not on the flags?
Kay says
+1
gravenimage says
Giacomo, there are Islamic flags with swords on them, including Saudi Arabia, Oman, and Hamas. Hizb’allah’s flag has a machine gun on it.
Kay says
Wow.
Daniel Silvan says
Christians and their symbols are not only under attack from Muslims. They are being attacked by Satanists, atheists, Jews, public schools and universities, left wing proponents, television and Hollywood, politicians and many other groups. Being White and Christian makes you a prime target.
Kay says
I don’t think Christians are being attacked by “all sides.” Many simply leave Christians alone as a quaint anomaly and vague source of goodness.
And yet, Mohammedens, certainly. Hence the wide existence of the persecuted Church. By “leftists” in many positions, definitely— but more by way of undermining them (eventually leading to the creation of immoral laws) rather than brute force. By satan, by definition. So yes, by many.
Christians of other “colors” *get* their own special attacks.
The attacks against “whiteness” are parallel and widespread. But I think partly with the intent of isolating Christians from one another. We are one body. And we are not far from our Jewish roots.
Daniel Silvan says
Kay, who are you quoting when you put “all sides” in quotation marks? My post did not contain those words. The rest of your post agrees with my post, but disagrees with your first sentence. Your positions are very confusing to follow.
Kay says
Understandable. Right, you didn’t use the term “all sides”; you just have a long list.
I think those working against Christians are real but the list not so long.
Attempting to separate white Christians from other Christians is another form of attack. Likewise with the attempt to separate Christians from their Jewish heritage.
gravenimage says
Where are Jews attacking Christians?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cross is a symbol of paganism from Roman paganism of mithraism,which is a stupidity to the core. How can you imagine Almighty God the most powerful to descend so low as human being ,and so weak to be killed by crucifixion for Him to save? That is why one Jewish Rabbi described mithraist christianity to be fit for beasts only, not for rational human beings.
Kay says
We preach Christ crucified.
FYI says
Say,did you know that allah in his koran confirms the Gospel which he claims he gave to Jesus?
allah claims to be the author of that book that you hate so much:the Bible{koran 3:3}
“WE bestowed upon him the Gospel wherein are guidance and a light,CONFIRMING that which was revealed before it in the Torah”
koran 5 v 46
so allah confirms the Gospel which is the basis of Christianity.
So that would mean that your moon god allah is the one responsible for ..”mithraist” Christianity..
As for that cross,that “symbol of paganism” you hate so much..
“For the message about Christ’s death on the cross is nonsense to those who are being lost”
1 corinthians 1 v 18
Given your constant attacks on the Bible{a book which allah SAYS he WROTE k3:3}and allah’s curse on those who attack what he claims he has written{i.e the Bible,koran 5 v 47} that is you namely,you are not in a position to be considered as a “rational human being” are you?
You have spent months attacking something{the Bible} which you stupidly didn’t realize is claimed by allah in the koran to be something he wrote:The Bible,if you think it was inspired by satan,you are saying that allah is inspired by satan…
Amazing,simply amazing…
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
FYI, Injeel is not the same thing as mithraist Bible and the Quran explicitly rejected the pagan doctrines of Godman and begotten son of God,which are the core doctrines of mithraist christianity.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Cross is a symbol of paganism from Roman paganism of mithraism,which is a stupidity to the core.
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No, the cross is not a symbol of Mithraism. The cross was used by the Romans as a form of execution, but it is not a Pagan symbol, anymore than, say, the electric chair would be.
The cross is a symbol of Christianity, which Ibrahim itace muhammed of course hates.
More:
How can you imagine Almighty God the most powerful to descend so low as human being ,and so weak to be killed by crucifixion for Him to save?
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Ibrahim itace muhammed is enraged by the idea of a loving God who would sacrifice for his people. Ibrahim itace muhammed much prefers the violent and savage deity of Islam.
More:
That is why one Jewish Rabbi described mithraist christianity to be fit for beasts only, not for rational human beings.
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We all know how much Ibrahim itace muhammed respects Jews, his having said that the wants to personally take part in their genocide…
Richard says
@Ibrahim itace muhammed – “Cross is a symbol of paganism from Roman paganism of mithraism,which is a stupidity to the core. ”
Stupidity to the core is to bow to the pagan idol the Kaaba when you pray to your god.
Islam is full of pagan symbols and customs. The crescent moon, Allah himself, the moon god of the Nabateans, the pagan rituals of circumambulation of the Kaaba, the pilgrimage. It is founded on myths and lies. Enforced by intimidation and terror. And has the most evil morality of all the religions of the world.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cross is a symbol of paganism from Roman paganism of mithraism.How can you imagine the Almighty God the most powerful to descend so low as human being and killed by crucifixion for Him to forgive sins committed by human beings? That is why one Jewish Rabbi described mithraist christianity to be fit for beasts only, not for human beings with power of rational calculation.
Kay says
We preach Christ crucified.
Kay says
Christ has died. Christ is risen. Christ will come again.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Kay, did your Jesus die as God or human being? If he died as God it means God tasted death,which is impossible .If he died as human being, then what is so special about it?
gravenimage says
Is Ibrahim itace muhammed saying that something is impossible for “Allah”?
Then he is saying that his “hand is fettered”, and he has to be murdered by his pious coreligionists immediately for such blasphemy.
“The Jews say: Allah’s hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are accursed for saying so…”
–Qur’an 5:64
Islam is not, of course, in any way consistent or rational…save that it is consistently brutal and violent.
Jean says
ibrahim itace.
God’s power was an obstacle to the realization of absolute love. Love relinquishes power, because one who truly loves gives his all to the beloved. So did God. He made himself vulnerable: put himself in every human being’s hands in order for us to choose freely whether to accept or reject him. All love is humble.
When you hear the story of the crucifixion, you are offered such a relation to God.
Islam is a religion of power (submission). It builds exclusively upon force. Therefore, it contains no love. The only relations offered are power relations: master and slave.
But this is not of God. To know God, you must first learn to understand humility. Not submission because of fear of torment, but the desire to give yourself out of love to someone you cherish and have compassion for.
On the cross, even God could become an object of compassion and, therefore, of love. There was no other way for him to be loved instead of only feared. It is the same for all of us.
To live in love, we must all take up our own cross: learn true humility. Learn to exchange life’s precious things as gifts instead of threats… and learn to accept that others are free to reject them.
This is what Christianity teaches through the crucifixion of Christ.
Edward Dillon says
Muslims in their religious clothing and loud speaker calls tp prayer are offensive as hell to me. How about someone doing something to make them conform to my beliefs.
Kay says
or even to common courtesy.
Garfield says
Arguing amongst ourselves is pointless. Read the articles here and SHARE THEM. Try not to waste time arguing. It’s difficult not to…because it feels like no one understands the threat of Islam outside of this site and a few others….and it’s nice to feel validated and understood….but this info needs to be SHARED. The information needs to get out. How can you help? Forward these articles to people.
Prabh says
Cross is international sign of the thief – cross is broken swastika. Cross is not a mandala. Jewsus punishment did not involve cross but one stick according to some scholars – Osho says word “Krist” is directly taken from Krishna.
Why Sacred Swastika is banned in Western Aryavartan lands (‘europe’)? Why Dharmic communities punished – our sacred symbol EXPROPRIATED by christistKatholic (s)Hitler – and now we cannot freely make good use of Sacred Swastika?
Modi Must declare India as Dharma Rashtra and get Shuddhi of all our Bharat di Janata – all Bharityas From Aravasthan to Persia To Russe to Lanka and Chine must unite to rid the world of UNJUST WARS that are responsible for human smuggling and “migration crisis’ – MAN has been migrating since before the dawn of TIME. Modi get the Shuddhi movement going and recreate Akhand Bharat ASAP before more innocents Pathan tribesmen are droned by mlechh Rothschild and company – violent volatile ameritrash must be tamed somehow – Rothschild and company- same bastards who looted India of 300 trillion according to Captain Vadakayil. LIterally these bastards don’t know who is their father or mother. Mlecch cannot be trusted with weapons. India must create superior armaments – indigenous weaponry to repel mlecch. Stop using kaljewg as excuse – for the truthful it is already Satjug.
Andreas says
You forgot to take your pills again …
Try to take them 2 hours before you start commenting