This is courtesy Barack Obama, who enabled the Iranian nuclear program to take a giant leap forward with his disastrous nuclear deal, a deal that John Kerry and the Western European “allies” are still trying to keep alive. That deal was, as President Trump said, the worst deal ever entered into by any American President. Get the details of just how bad it was, and how much more dangerous a place it made the world, in my book The Complete Infidel’s Guide to Iran.
“Think tank: Iran was closer to nukes than we thought,” by Yonah Jeremy Bob, Jerusalem Post, October 24, 2018:
Iran was closer to developing nuclear weapons than previously thought, according to a think tank report issued late Tuesday.
A report by the Institute for Science and International Security said that combining new information produced by the Mossad during its January raid on a Tehran warehouse along with satellite imagery “conclusively shows that the Parchin site did house high explosive chambers capable for use in nuclear weapons research and development.”
While the focus of the report is Iran’s activities up until 2003, the premise of the report and of the documents which the Mossad appropriated from a site in Tehran (which had not been disclosed to the IAEA) is that the tests performed mean Iran could be capable of building a weapon faster than previously thought.
There are unending debates about whether the Islamic Republic is currently around 12 months or closer to six months from being able to produce a nuclear bomb, if it chose to do so.
Iran has already overcome some of the obstacles to building a bomb which experts thought it had not yet overcome, based on the new report. This would shorten the countdown number.
Moreover, the report implies that based on photos from the Mossad appropriated documents, Iran has not accounted for complex equipment that would be used for the process of developing a nuclear weapon – meaning the IAEA should be confronting Tehran about where and whether it is hiding it….
The report said that the Mossad-obtained “nuclear archive shows that Iran conducted at Parchin more high explosive tests related to nuclear weapons development than previously thought…this work appears to have involved more than what the IAEA called feasibility and scientific studies,” as the IAEA asserted in a December 2015 report….
Frank Anderson says
The whole idea that Iran DOES NOT have nuclear weapons Right Now is a delusion that refuses to face the fact, known to all who can read, that Iran and North Korea share nuclear and missile information. If North Korea has “it”, the Iranians paid for it and got the benefits without making public the fact they have nuclear weapons right now.
Why does Israel never acknowledge or deny its possession of nuclear weapons? Where were they tested? More likely than not they were tested in South Africa before the change in leadership decades ago so that the massive international response would be controlled. The same thing is reasonably taking place with Iran’s dealing with NK to produce and test the designs while faking the lie they do not actually have the bombs. Israel has every right and reason to have nuclear weapons because of the ongoing commitments to its destruction by people who live to die and kill. Iran has no reason for nuclear weapons other than to carry out the teachings of death and slavery.
19,000 of the most advanced centrifuges are not using more or less the entire electrical output of a full size nuclear generating plant to produce nuclear fuel for a reactor. They are running to produce bombs which will be used to bring back the Twelfth Imam according to Shia teaching.
Guy Forester says
You are correct. This has been going on for years, and yet the MSM ignores the real story.
Mac-101 says
The BIG question is what happened to the Soviet, then Russian and Ukrainian warheads and Suit Case bombs that went missin prior to 1996? Supposedly many made it to Iran!
mortimer says
Very reasonable assumptions by Frank. If Iran doesn’t have a fully developed bomb, I believe they have the knowledge to build one in a few months… one that will ‘sort of’ work, but that would be good enough to start a big war.
Frank Anderson says
Mortimer, 19,000 centrifuges can take 0.7% U-235 natural uranium to 90% plus bomb grade uranium in sufficient quantities to make between 1 bomb a month and 1 a week, and probably more; and those are only the triggers for hydrogen bombs 10 to 100 times more powerful which are useful for EMP attacks. If Iran is taking the enrichment to 20 percent, claiming it for “research” purposes, NK can complete the enrichment and fabricate the triggers. The key nuclear pieces are about the size of a baseball, or at most the size of a softball. They can be concealed and transported easily..
This frequent comment you hear on the news about NK (and Iran) not having “re-entry” technology for its ICBM’s is another lie. EMP involves detonating a fair size (500KT up) hydrogen bomb long before it needs any re-entry vehicle at a height of 300 or so miles above ground level, where there is no atmosphere.
We are being fed a lie to postpone the day of reckoning, just like Neville Chamberlain fed his lie of “Peace in our time” while inviting Hitler to continue his aggression. All I think it should take to see this is to read the koran in chronological order and see how the “Religion of Peace” in Mecca turned into the religion of death, war and slavery in Medina, never to change again.
simpleton1 says
Yes, to make the effort of finding the chronological order of the koran.
That brings the full understanding of the abrogation verses, and what Mohammad meant in all his actions, deeds, and sayings.
All this is confirmed again in many of the hadith, as seen by and recorded by Mohammad’s companions of that time.
James Lincoln says
Frank,
Very much thanks for the technical information – you give a good technical, evidence-based analysis of the threat.
It is indeed sobering.
Frank Anderson says
J.L. what I have written is estimates from both reading starting in high school and 2 visits to the nuclear weapons museum in Albuquerque NM, plus an engineering degree. There are of course errors, but no intentional deception.
christianblood says
Forget about Iran, Israel is aiding Saudi-Arabia which is exactly like ISIS in Developing Nuclear Weapons! One wonders why this didn’t catch the attention of the JihadWatch bloggers! More below:
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/06/05/israel-aiding-saudi-arabia-in-developing-nuclear-weapons.html
gravenimage says
“Forget about Iran”–in other words, why do you filthy Infidels care if you are killed, as long as its nice Shi’ites murdering you?
More from christianblood:
…Israel is aiding Saudi-Arabia which is exactly like ISIS in Developing Nuclear Weapons! One wonders why this didn’t catch the attention of the JihadWatch bloggers!
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As I’ve pointed out before when christianblood has posted this claptrap, no one at Jihad Watch cares about this because there is no basis for it.
This claim comes from “MintPress News”, which is a site run by Muslim Mnar Muhawesh, which has been described by PJ Media (which Robert Spencer regularly writes for) as “Shia advocacy journalism”.
Then this was picked up by “Strategic Culture . org”–which WikiSpooks calls a “Moscow-based anti-Zionist think tank and web publishing organisation”.
Among other things, they are Jihad deniers–having claimed that the Brussels attacks were a “false flag” operation:
“Brussels Attack: Another Chapter in NATO’s Gladio Strategy?”
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Brussels_Attack:_Another_Chapter_in_NATO%27s_Gladio_Strategy%3F
There basic stance is that all Jihad is basically carried out by Infidels to make Muslims look bad.
And they *hate* Jews–Israel most of all.
And christianblood is demanding that we swallow this ugly tripe whole.
Wellington says
“Forget about Iran…”
Just so predictable of you, christianblood, to make a moronic statement such as this. Please read Frank Anderson’s two posts above, the first of 11:16 A.M. and the second of 4:17 P.M., to help confirm yet again what a shill you are for Iran and, by extension, for Russia which supports the heinous regime in Iran.
P.S. Yes, I know full well the Saudis suck and America is temporarily aligned with them for sundry reasons, including the thwarting of Iran’s nuclear ambitions. But you see, christianblood, we here in the West can criticize our own governments and point to a temporary ally who is malevolent (much as was the case with America and Britain’s alliance with one of the greatest mass killers in history, one Stalin by name, in order to defeat Hitler), all the while seeing the bigger picture. You, by contrast, never see the bigger picture. That’s because you are a propagandist troll for Russia.
Wellington says
See also, christianblood, gravenimage’s pertinent 7:27 P.M. post above which I initially missed because I was temporarily occupied by responding to you. Oh yeah, do so.
christianblood says
Wellington
Again you are acting as an echo-chamber for US propaganda line against Iran! As I said, Iran fights ISIS and Al-Qaeda while US, Israel, UK, France and Saudis arm, support and fund ISIS, Al-Qaeda, White Helmets and many other jihadist groups! Period!
gravenimage says
How is wiping out ISIS’s territory–as the US has done–indicative of support? This makes no sense.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Yes, US works with islamic terrorists to advance its regime-change agenda in Syria and elsewhere! It was just reported yesterday by the Russian MoD that US spy plane coordinated drone attack on Russia’s Syria base in January this year and Russian military has prove for this. More below:
https://www.rt.com/news/442219-kremlin-attack-us-syria/
christianblood says
gravenimage
Also reported today is that US and its Western allies gave terrorists in Syria modern equipment, including radio electronic tools, and even a direct support from advisers and more sophisticated techs! Please read more this breaking news on the link below:
https://southfront.org/terrorists-are-monitoring-radio-frequencies-used-by-russian-aricraft-in-syria-russian-media/
christianblood says
gravenimage
Israeli’s nuke assistance to Saudi Arabia is reported last year by many news outlets and it is factual information. Both Israel and the US are open to help Saudis=ISIS develop nukes! It is clear that as many others in the Jihadwatch, you are just an echo-chamber for the State Department as you headlessly repeat cheap US propaganda lines! This is disgusting! Any objective human being would know that Saudi Arabia, not Iran is the gravest danger to the world when it comes to islamic terror and islamic jihadist ideology! Besides, both US and Saudi Arabia as well as Israel support Al-Qaeda, ISIS, “White Helmets” and many other terror groups that are fighting in Syria whereas Iran has thousands of troops that are fighting ISIS and other terror groups in Syria! Netanyahu, himself will clearly tell you that he evacuated hundreds of Al-Qaeda White Helmets because Trump and Trudeau asked him to do so! WATCH AND PLEASE STOP RESISTING THE FACTS and WAKE UP!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7hyJPUhSs8
Wellington says
You provide a link, christianblood, that is only said in Hebrew, as though most here at JW know this language. Just like you to do such a thing.
As for Israel “factually” supplying nuclear information to Saudi Arabia, provide your proof rather than just averring, as you have, that it is “reported last year by many news outlets and it is factual information.”
Uh-huh. Prove, christianblood, this is so rather than just stating what you have with no back-up. And while I certainly think Saudi Arabia sucks, why is it the case you NEVER say the same thing about the Iranian regime which is despised by millions of its own citizens? Why, christianblood, do you NEVER address how repulsed millions of Iranians, especially young Iranians, are with the theocratic mullahs who lord over them?
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
Israeli’s nuke assistance to Saudi Arabia is reported last year by many news outlets and it is factual information. Both Israel and the US are open to help Saudis=ISIS develop nukes!
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In another on-line search, the *only* sources I have found for this claim are MintPress–a Shia Muslim site; PressTV–Iranian state mouthpiece; and Strategic Culture . org–which, as I noted above, is a Russian anti-Zionist site.
More reliable sources like Haaretz and Reuters note that Israel is deeply concerned over Saudi Arabia’s move to gain nuclear weapons.
The claim that Israel is openly aiding Saudi Arabia’s nuke program is quite false.
More:
It is clear that as many others in the Jihadwatch, you are just an echo-chamber for the State Department as you headlessly repeat cheap US propaganda lines! This is disgusting!
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If christianblood has *any* reputable sources for his outrageous claims about Israel, I would be glad to see them. As long as all he provides are Shia Muslim propaganda sites, not so much.
More:
Any objective human being would know that Saudi Arabia, not Iran is the gravest danger to the world when it comes to islamic terror and islamic jihadist ideology!
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They are *both* terrible threats. I condemn any attempts by the appalling Saudi Arabia to develop nukes–if only the appalling christianblood were willing to do the same re Iran.
More:
Besides, both US and Saudi Arabia as well as Israel support Al-Qaeda, ISIS, “White Helmets” and many other terror groups that are fighting in Syria whereas Iran has thousands of troops that are fighting ISIS and other terror groups in Syria! Netanyahu, himself will clearly tell you that he evacuated hundreds of Al-Qaeda White Helmets because Trump and Trudeau asked him to do so! WATCH AND PLEASE STOP RESISTING THE FACTS and WAKE UP!
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Like Wellington, I do not speak Hebrew. This video has *nothing* to do with Israel supposedly enabling Saudi Arabia’s nuclear program, though. I tracked it down here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=d7hyJPUhSs8
Only 36 seconds long–but from the tag line you can see that there is no reason to suppose that this is Netanyahu talking about Saudi nukes.
Yes, it is foolish that many in the West believe that the White Helmets are simply a rescue group as they present themselves as being–but claiming that believing this means that you back ISIS is obviously absurd.
As for the further claim–frequently made by christianblood that the US and Israel are behind ISIS, this is just ridiculous. It was the US that drove ISIS out of its “Caliphate”, and Israel has foiled ISIS plots against her.
christianblood says
Wellington posted
(…why is it the case you NEVER say the same thing about the Iranian regime which is despised by millions of its own citizens? Why, christianblood, do you NEVER address how repulsed millions of Iranians, especially young Iranians…)
First, both Israel and the US are open to help Saudi-Arabia acquire nukes, there is no doubt about and it has been reported and you can research that your self!
Secondly, I don’t believe that Iran is a perfect country but I know for a fact that compared to Saudi Arabia Iran is far, far moderate Shiite theocracy and anyone who denies this is either totally ignorant liar that is spreading US anti-Iranian propaganda!
Just to give you one example, Wellington:
Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and all other religions are legal in Iran and all those religious groups have got their own houses of worship whereas in Saudi Arabia any religion other than Islam or any non-islamic house of worship is totally illegal under the pain of death in Saudi Arabia!
PLEASE understand this Wellington: The ONLY and THE BIGGEST REASON WHY THE US GOVERNMENT HATES IRAN SO PASSIONATELY IS THAT IRAN REFUSES TO BE A PUPPET STATE FOR THE US! THAT IS ALL! IRAN WANTS TO INDEPENDENT AND IS HATED FOR THAT! The Rest is Propaganda and LIES!
Watch the video clip below and please tell me if the same can be said about Saudi Arabia or about any other Sunni Arab nation for that matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUP571KQyRQ
christianblood says
gravenimage
I don’t support Iran developing nukes either but the problem is US cannot be trusted when it says Iran is developing nukes because we still remember the ‘WMD’ lies that Bush used to attack Iraq! What about if the US using the same lies to regime-change Iran? Absolutely back-stabbing, sneaky and multi-faced US cannot be trusted?
gravenimage says
More from christianblood:
Wellington posted
(…why is it the case you NEVER say the same thing about the Iranian regime which is despised by millions of its own citizens? Why, christianblood, do you NEVER address how repulsed millions of Iranians, especially young Iranians…)
First, both Israel and the US are open to help Saudi-Arabia acquire nukes, there is no doubt about and it has been reported and you can research that your self!
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As I noted, this has *only* been reported by Shia Muslim and an antisemitic Russia site. These are *not* reputable news sources.
More:
Secondly, I don’t believe that Iran is a perfect country but I know for a fact that compared to Saudi Arabia Iran is far, far moderate Shiite theocracy and anyone who denies this is either totally ignorant liar that is spreading US anti-Iranian propaganda!
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They are both hideous. Iran hangs gay people, vows to wipe Israel off the map, stones women to death, executes musicians, and imprisons and persecutes Christians.
More:
Just to give you one example, Wellington:
Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and all other religions are legal in Iran and all those religious groups have got their own houses of worship whereas in Saudi Arabia any religion other than Islam or any non-islamic house of worship is totally illegal under the pain of death in Saudi Arabia!
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Wellington and I condemn persecution of non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia and Iran–and everywhere else where in Dar-al-Islam. Whereas, christianblood has said that any Christian persecuted in Iran is “an American spy”.
More:
PLEASE understand this Wellington: The ONLY and THE BIGGEST REASON WHY THE US GOVERNMENT HATES IRAN SO PASSIONATELY IS THAT IRAN REFUSES TO BE A PUPPET STATE FOR THE US! THAT IS ALL! IRAN WANTS TO INDEPENDENT AND IS HATED FOR THAT! The Rest is Propaganda and LIES!
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christianblood has said before that Iran’s horrifying Shari’ah law under the Mullahs is just brave “resistance” to the United States. Just appalling.
The idea that the horrors of Shari’ah are “independence” is just sickening. This is not independence–this is adherence to the horrors of Islam.
More:
Watch the video clip below and please tell me if the same can be said about Saudi Arabia or about any other Sunni Arab nation for that matter:
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christianblood has claimed before that terrified Jews too frightened to say anything about their persecution is proof of how wonderful Iran is.
In fact, Iran has executed those who helped smuggle Jews out of Iran.
Wellington says
Christianblood: Gravenimage’s 10:14 P.M. post picked apart your “arguments” so well that it would be superfluous of me to respond to you.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington.
christianblood says
Gravenimage & Wellington
I don’t have ANY evidence, whatsoever that Iran is supporting islamic terrorists or islamic jihadists but I have evidence that it actually fights them and lost thousands in doing so in Syria! On the other hand, I have plenty of evidence that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and US its allies are the prime supporters of islamic terror around the world and until I have EVIDENCE (not US propaganda) that prove me other wise I will still with the facts and you should too!
christianblood says
Gravenimage & Wellington
I don’t have ANY evidence, whatsoever that Iran is supporting islamic terrorists or islamic jihadists but I have evidence that it actually fights them and lost thousands in doing so in Syria! On the other hand, I have plenty of evidence that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and US its allies are the prime supporters of islamic terror around the world and until I have EVIDENCE (not US propaganda) that prove me otherwise, I will still with the facts and you should too!
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
I don’t support Iran developing nukes either but the problem is US cannot be trusted when it says Iran is developing nukes because we still remember the ‘WMD’ lies that Bush used to attack Iraq!
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This report is from Mossad– not the United States as christianblood pretends.
As for his opposing Iran developing nukes, this is the first time he has said this that I can recall. Previously he has applauded them getting nukes as “resistance” against the United States.
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
Gravenimage & Wellington
I don’t have ANY evidence, whatsoever that Iran is supporting islamic terrorists or islamic jihadists
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This is only because he has applauded Iran taking American diplomats and Western military hostage and backing Hizb’allah’s attacks on Israel. Very disturbing.
gravenimage says
Frank, given all of the unfair condemnation of Israel, I don’t blame them for keeping quiet about their nuclear program. Civilized Israel is no threat.
Wellington says
“Civilized Israel is no threat.”
Indeed, gravenimage, and why the world’s most terrible weapons ideally should be in the hands of only the world’s most decent nations. It is “merely” an ideal to be sure, but nonetheless a very solid and important one.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington. I am not worried about nuclear weapons in American, British, French, or Israeli hands (assuming always that none of these nations are taken over by Muslims).
All the rest are a concern to a greater or lesser degree–Muslim hell holes most of all.
Frank Anderson says
GI, the UK and France are years, not decades, away from full muslim control. What then? Look at the treatment of kafirs now! It will get worse.
gravenimage says
Frank, this is why I included the caveat about the growing Muslim presence in these nations.
christianblood says
gravenimage & Wellington
Please acknowledge that Israel attacked a Syrian government that is fighting ISIS, Al-Qaeda and dozens of other jihadist groups over 200 times in the last 18 months alone while Syria never attacked Israel even a single time! That is pure naked aggression and a foolish stab in the back against the Syrian state and especially when it is on a full scale war against hundreds of thousands of invading islamic terrorists! It is the ultimate dishonor to attack your adversary when he is down and Israel does that and even brags about it!
Israel really did a great disfavor to her self when it did that and I am afraid JUSTICE will never forgive that for Israel!
gravenimage says
What christianblood is referring to here is Israel reacting to Iran’s involvement in weapons transfers to Hizb’allah on Israel’s border. Given Hizb’allah’s history of attacking Israel, she has cause for concern.
*This* is what christianblood is saying “JUSTICE will never forgive that for Israel!”.
What is he threatening her with now? Probably the same as the rest of the West, where he claims that God wants Muslims to conquer us.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I doubt anyone, anyone, is more supportive of Israel and Judaism than I am. “if Israel put down its weapons there would be peace following the slaughter of every Jew. If muslims put down their weapons there would be peace without any killing.” If “I” were Israel and did not have nuclear weapons today, I would have them “tomorrow” or as soon thereafter as possible. 1.6 Billion to 16 Million is hardly a fair fight without an equalizer.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Frank. Agreed.
christianblood says
Gravenimage & Wellington
I don’t have ANY evidence, whatsoever that Iran is supporting islamic terrorists or islamic jihadists but I have evidence that it actually fights them and lost thousands in doing so in Syria! On the other hand, I have plenty of evidence that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and US its allies are the prime supporters of islamic terror around the world and until I have EVIDENCE (not US propaganda) that prove me other wise I will still with the facts and you should too!
Peterson says
Israel need not test it because those who made it has tremendous expertise in American projects making Nuclear bombs. You need to test it when you are doing it from the scratch and developing the technology.
Frank Anderson says
Peterson, I do not claim to “know”. But I would not be in charge of building, deploying and depending on designs that have not been tested by someone. If they were not using designs from other bomb making countries, with or without their permission, the reliability would be questionable, unless they used the gun-type following the Little Boy design used on Hiroshima. That design was so reliable it was never tested prior to use. It looks to me like the same extremely reliable design is used for nuclear artillery rounds as small as 155 mm or 6 inches.
During my visits to the Nuclear Weapons Museum, the Davy Crocket model warhead was about the size of a basketball with all necessary devices and explosives for an implosion bomb, like Fat Man used on Nagasaki. The standard MIRV warhead used on the Minuteman III and Trident, suggests a 350 kt implosion warhead inside the heat shield about the size of a beach ball. With the heat shield the whole bomb weighs about 200 pounds.
The connection with South Africa is speculative, but to me makes sense.
Guy Forester says
Iran and NK have been working together on these projects for decades. They share engineers. Tech that we have foolishly given away to China is sent to NK. Iran sells oil to Japan and EU. Money from oil pays for NK development and testing. Iran builds industrial complexes to manufacture already developed and tested missiles and warheads.
EU/NATO, Taiwan, Philippines, South Korea, Japan, and probably Australia are all protected by the US. Expect US assets to be attacked on multiple fronts when someone decides it is time to act.
If a much smaller and not so well equipped and prepared Japan could cripple US defenses in multiple sectors in 1941, it is just as easily possible today. Cyber, EMP, Nuke, and various Terror weapons could all be brought to bear by various actors in different arenas at the same time. We have many bad actors out there that hate us. These include the usual NWO, communist, and Islamic bad actors. They actually hate each other as well, but will take USA out first. Then fight each other over dividing the spoils, if there are any left.
Walter Sieruk says
Obama was a very unrealistic deluded fool if he really felt that there was any actual value of that “deal” with that tyrannical “mullah regime” of Iran .Obama in his folly had attempted to work out a compromise with those Muslim tyrants in power in Iran. The outcome of foolishly trying to work out a compromise resulted that the hoax and farce of a “deal.” A former US President, Franklin D. Roosevelt , had well-spoken when he said “There has never been – there never can be – successful compromise between good and evil.”
christianblood says
The head-chopping, ISIS-backing, Takfiri/Wahabi hellhole known as Saudi Arabia is a thousand times more dangerous than Iran!!! From Sweden to Australia and from Indonesia to Nigeria, NO violent jihadist activity or islamic terror attack takes place anywhere in the world without religious, ideological or financial connection to Saudi Arabia!!! Besides, unlike Iran, all non-islamic religions are illegal in Saudi Arabia, which, BTW, is the closest US ‘ally’ in the ME!!! Furthermore, 15 of the 19 Arab Wahhab islamists that perpetrated 9/11 attacks were Saudis and they got open financial, moral and logistical backing from the Saudi religious and political establishment and yet, today US government says, that it may help Saudi Arabia to acquire nuclear weapons!!! One wonders why didn’t this huge piece of news make headlines on jihadWatch and other anti-jihad bloggers in the US? The reason is very obvious to me! More of this below:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180221-us-may-open-path-for-saudi-arabia-to-acquire-nuclear-weapons/
gravenimage says
No, *Israel* is America’s closest ally in the Middle East.
Saudi Arabia–which does indeed sponsor Jihad terror around the world, including 9/11–is no ally of ours.
At the same time, the claim that all Jihad is waged by Saudi Arabia is absurd. Jihad is a core part of Islam–christianblood wants us to ignore that.
And his saying that Shi’ites don’t wage Jihad conveniently ignores both attacks on America and Israel. But then, chirstianblood *hates* Americans and Jews.
Walter Sieruk says
President Trump has done better than Obama did on handling the subject of the dangers posed by the Islamic rogue state of Iran. It’s very obvious that President Trump had already done much better than Obama. In fact Obama could not have done much worse in the “dealing and negotiations” with that “mullah regime’ than he did. Furthermore, It’s very obvious that the tyrants in power in this Islamic regime with he Muslim rulers who had no real or sincere intentions even for the start of keeping any of their promises in a nuclear “agreement deal” with Western nations. As for ,example , a “test firing” of a missile by Iran, In addition , it was reported on CBN on 5/7/16 only two days before this CBN report the Iran not only launched other “test firing” of missile. The “test firing” of that missile and it even had printed on that missile words in Hebrew that read “Israel must be wiped off the map.” There is no logical or valid evidence that the jihad-minded those in control of this Islamic tyranny have , in any way, changed their vicious and destructive intentions in their Islamic agenda against the State of Israel . There were other “test firing of other missiles by earlier this very year by the Islamic tyranny of Iran. This shows the gall and defiance of those mullahs and ayatollahs along those other Muslim villains in power in this tyrannical Islamic regime of Iran their total arrogant contempt for the US and the other Western nations in this so called “deal.” Those Muslim clerics and other Muslim tyrants in power in this cruel and oppressive Islamic tyranny are, in character, reflected in the Bible in Psalm 73:6-9. Which reads, “Therefore pride is their necklace; they clothe themselves with violence. From their callous hearts comes iniquity; the evil conceits of their mind know limits. They scoff and speak with malice; in their arrogance they threaten oppression. Their mouths lay claim to heaven, and their tongues take possession of the earth.” [N.I.V.]
mortimer says
Muslim terrorists such as the government of Iran saw Obama’s weakness as an invitation to advance against the dirty kafirs.
They likely interpreted Obama’s weaknesses as his sympathy for and approval of jihad.
They knew Obama would do nothing because he was a new Neville Chamberlain.
That is how Obama will be remembered as a naïve, uninformed, clueless repeat of Neville Chamberlain declaring ‘peace in our time’.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
iranian Guardian Council made it clear that it is haram (prohibited) in Islam to develop nuclear weapons for the purpose of mass destruction because Allah says :”man qatl nafsa bighair nafsi kaannama qatalannasa jami’an (he who terminates a life which has not terminated another life is like mass destruction of the whole humanity) “.Such weapons can only be developed for the purpose of deterence as stated in another verse “Li turhibuna bihi aduwallah (to deter the enemies of Allah from aggression) “.So, even if Iran is developing nuclear bombs it is for peaceful purpose to deter fascist evil Zionist State of Israel and its slave state the brigand evil United States from attacking it. presently Iran is developing effective defence systems to neutralise nuclear attacks.
Elisha says
The daily dose of lies from bacon boy, today performing “kitman” with the old muslim chestnut of sura 5:32. Don’t you islamic fools realize we can “google” this stuff? Too much camel urine, or perhaps, not enough?
From “The Religion Of Peace” website: [https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/games/quran-all-life-sacred.aspx]
The Game:
Verse 5:32 promotes a universal principal that all life is sacred to Allah. It says “If any one slew a person… it would be as if he slew a whole people; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of a whole people…”
The Truth:
This fragment of verse 5:32 appears above as it was quoted by the Fiqh Council of North America. It is what apologists want non-Muslims to believe is in the Quran, as opposed to the dozens of other open-ended passages that command warfare, beheadings and torture. But even this quote from verse 5:32 isn’t quite how it appears. It leaves out a few words.
Here’s the full text of the verse:
“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.”
First, notice the gaping loophole. Killing is allowed in cases of murder or “for spreading mischief in the land.” Murder is pretty straightforward, but “spreading mischief?” If anything begged for a careful and precise explanation, a phrase authorizing torture certainly would. But generations of Muslims are left to apply their own interpretation of what “mischief” means – with varying standards. Violating Sharia (Islamic law) or sharing a different religious faith appears to qualify. Verse 7:103 of the Quran even indicates that merely rejecting Muhammad and the Quran counts as “mischief”.
Secondly, note the broader context of this verse. It turns out that this isn’t a divine command to Muslims after all. It’s a recounting of a rule that was given to the Jewish people (lifted from the Talmud, in fact). It isn’t an admonition against killing. It’s an imagined indictment against the Jews for violating the law given to them. “Any one” doesn’t mean “anyone,” but rather any one of the Jews.
Any application to Muslims would have to apply only to Muslims – as in Muslim-on-Muslim murder within the brotherhood of believers. In fact, the context of the verse is the murder of Abel by Cain. Historically, this verse has never been interpreted by Islamic scholars to mean that Allah places equal value on the lives of non-Muslims. The Quran says that restitution for murder is bound by the law of equality (2:178) and that non-believers are not equal to Muslims (39:9). Muhammad affirmed that while a Muslim may be punished with death for killing a fellow Muslim, they should never be slain for killing a non-believer.
Rather than encouraging tolerance, Sura 5 as a whole is actually an incitement of hatred with a hint of violence. Later in the chapter, Jews and Christians are explicitly cursed as ‘wicked’ people with ‘diseased hearts’ and as hateful ‘blasphemers’ respectively. Muhammad goes on to coyly remind his people that Allah loves those who “fight” in his service – and it’s fairly obvious who the enemy is.
Muslim apologists also leave out the fact that 5:32 is immediately followed by a gruesome verse which actually mandates killing in the case of the aforementioned “mischief” – and this isn’t pulled from the Talmud. It even suggests crucifixion and “the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides.” (This injunction is dutifully followed by ISIS)
Although verse 5:32 recounts the law given to Jews, the verse that follows is clearly intended for Muslims. (Imagine if instead of upping the law against murder to include anger, Jesus stated, “You have heard it was said that all life is sacred, but I tell you that those who wage war against God should be crucified…”)
Verse 5:33 provides the basis for blasphemy laws, in which people are executed for insulting or questioning Islam. Ironically then, the very part of the Quran that apologists use to portray Islam as a non-violent religion has long been used as justification for making verbal offense into a capital crime.
So, the Quran’s best example of moral instruction is a passage which actually mandates the torture and execution of those deemed a threat to Islamic hegemony…
With this being the best that Islam has to offer, it’s not hard to guess why the religion contributes over a thousand deadly terrorist attacks to the world each and every year.
Further to this, sura 5:33 – Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment
The MOST TRUSTED quranic commentary is Ibn Kathir. Let’s see what he had to say about this:
“`Wage war’ mentioned here means, OPPOSE AND CONTRADICT, and IT INCLUDES DISBELIEF, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.”
[http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=784&Itemid=]
Well well well, this explains why violent jihad has been going on for 1400 YEARS! Why do you listen – let alone worship – a psychotic child rapist who told you to drink camel urine and was killed by A JEW WOMAN?!?! OUCH!
ALL liars go to the Lake of Fire, bacon boy:
“He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” – Revelation 21:8
gravenimage says
Fine post, Elisha.
Wellington says
Yes, echoing gravenimage, excellent and thorough post, Elisha, which post by you reveals not only how gruesome Islam is but also how deceitful it is.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
iranian Guardian Council made it clear that it is haram (prohibited) in Islam to develop nuclear weapons for the purpose of mass destruction because Allah says :”man qatl nafsa bighair nafsi kaannama qatalannasa jami’an (he who terminates a life which has not terminated another life is like mass destruction of the whole humanity) “.Such weapons can only be developed for the purpose of deterence as stated in another verse “Li turhibuna bihi aduwallah (to deter the enemies of Allah from aggression) “.So, even if Iran is developing nuclear bombs it is for peaceful purpose to deter fascist evil Zionist State of Israel and its slave state the brigand evil United States from attacking it. presently Iran is developing effective defence systems to neutralise nuclear attacks as alternative to nuclear bombs.
gravenimage says
What vicious claptrap from Ibrahim itace muhammed. Iran regularly threatens to “wipe Israel off the map”:
“Head of Iran’s al Quds Force threatens to ‘wipe out’ Israel”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/02/head-of-irans-al-quds-force-threatens-to-wipe-out-israel
“‘Wipe Israel off the map’, Iranian says”
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/27/world/africa/wipe-israel-off-the-map-iranian-says.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=077185AE251B2CAEB646DE6D03FFF93F&gwt=pay
There are many more. Only a pious Muslim like Ibrahim itace muhammed would characterize *genocide* as “deterence”.
But then, he himself has said he looks forward to taking part in the genocide of the Jews.
He wrote:
Li turhibuna bihi aduwallah (to deter the enemies of Allah from aggression)
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Actually, this phrase means “to terrorize the enemies of Allah”. It has *nothing* to do with deterring aggression. It comes from Qur’an 8:60, the “Spoils of War” or “Booty”.
This is all about urging Muslims to attack Infidels, then kidnap, enslave, rob, and murder them.
CogitoErgoSum says
If Allah says it is wrong to terminate a life which has not terminated another life, then you must agree that any form of killing except for the execution of a murderer is prohibited. Death for blasphemy, adultery, homosexuality or any offense that does not involve the crime of murder is the same as the killing of all of humanity?
CogitoErgoSum says
This comment was meant in reply to Ibrahim’s comment above.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cogitoergosum, “Life”in the context of the verse means innocent person who does not commit any offence punishable under sharia. Blasphemy in the sense of insulting God or any of his prophets ,including Jesus, is a grievous offence punishable with death under the Sharia. so, the person tried and found guilty for blasphemy is not an innocent person.
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim, you said he who terminates life which has not terminated another life is like mass destruction of all humanity. Blasphemy does not involve killing anyone. You are not consistent with your reasoning. First you say it is wrong to kill someone who has not killed another and then you defend killing someone who has committed blasphemy. Are you saying when someone blasphemes against Allah, Allah is killed? If you think Allah can be killed, are you not guilty of blasphemy yourself??? ……. so maybe you should be taken out and stoned to death.
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim even when I use “innocent person” in place of “life” I come up with “he who terminates an innocent person who has not terminated another innocent person is like mass destruction of the whole of humanity.” And I still get blasphemy is like terminating an innocent person. How can anyone terminate Allah? Again, are you saying Allah is a person and Allah can be terminated? I would have to say that is still blasphemy, Ibrahim.
James Lincoln says
CogitoErgoSum,
Your logic is compelling. If Ibrahim thinks about it rationally, he may actually “vapor lock”.
CogitoErgoSum says
James, I can also fall back on Ibrahim’s contention that Satan can cast spells so that a person can sometimes hear (or read) something a person did not really say (or type). And then the whole world sinks into the abyss of absurdity and we are left wondering if life is nothing but a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
gravenimage says
The appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Cogitoergosum, “Life”in the context of the verse means innocent person who does not commit any offence punishable under sharia. Blasphemy in the sense of insulting God or any of his prophets ,including Jesus, is a grievous offence punishable with death under the Sharia. so, the person tried and found guilty for blasphemy is not an innocent person.
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In other words all non-Muslims can be slaughtered by Muslims, since their not adhering to Islam is “blasphemy” and means they are not innocent as Muslims see it. *Ugh*.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cogitoergosum ,your mithraist Bible,in OT which according to Mathew must be fulfilled, imposes death penalty for blasphemy despite the fact that it also said saving an innocent life is saving the whole. Again, in Samuel 15:3 and book of Numbers 31:17 all those living shall be killed with exception of little girls to be kept as sex slaves. How do reconcile these?
FYI says
Why don’t you ask the author of the “mithraist” Bible?
allah
koran 3:3″ as…. he{allah} revealed the Torah and the Gospel
koran 2:87 “We gave to Moses the scripture” OT
koran 5:46 “We bestowed on Jesus the Gospel” NT
Bible=OT + NT{which allah,in k3:3 CONFIRMS as being TRUE}
Still,it is good you are reading that “mithraist” Bible.
allah will be pleased…..in{koran 10:94}after all,he told muhammed,if in doubt,to consult
“The Scipture that was before thee”
Or as you keep calling (and attacking and cursing it) ..
the “mithraist” Bible
FYI says
BTW itace muhammed,it is YOUR “mithraist” Bible since your god allah says he wrote it.
YOUR Bible:if you deny that allah wrote it you are denying allah and the koran..
Elisha says
Unsurprisingly, Iim appears to have run away. Arguing with muslims is the same as arguing with atheists as they are both in thrall of Satan. It’s logical fallacy after logical fallacy. That the quran both confirms and contradicts the Bible is already proof that islam is false. The only place he had to go was a tu quoqe … and then you slapped him again.
6woods says
Hello, Elisha. I’m an atheist and I’m not in “in thrall” to anything. In my view, people can think or believe whatever they wish, as long as they don’t try to violently force their beliefs on others. I don’t denigrate those who don’t think as I do.
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim, I don’t know about the mithraist Bible but my Christian Bible WAS fulfilled with the death and resurrection of Jesus. The requirement that blood be shed for sins was paid in full for all time when Jesus took upon himself the sins of the world and was crucified, died and rose from the dead. God found this acceptable so that now anyone who commits a sin that once required death can be allowed to live. The penalty has already been paid for you by Jesus. All you have to do is accept what Jesus has done for you. So please stop with this Bible needing to be fulfilled nonsense. All the requirements for bloodshed and death have been met.
Elisha says
Iim repeatedly blasphemes the Holy Spirit, the ONLY unforgivable sin. Matthew 12:31-32.
CogitoErgoSum says
Jesus also calls the Holy Spirit the Spirit of Truth. The Holy Spirit helps us to understand the truth. For those who are not willing to accept the truth, there is nothing more that can be done. If you offer to help a person and he rejects your help, all that is left is to let him go his own way.
Frank Anderson says
Elisha. I believe that I have seen enough in my own life to think that God’s power, willingness and mercy to forgive is beyond human understanding. At a very important event in my life, I said “Hear O Israel, The Lord Our God is One; Praise be His Holy Name. The Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom. The Love of the Lord surpasses all human understanding.” That has been more or less 20 years ago. I see every day more truth to that statement in my life. I wish and hope for the same for everybody.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cogitoergosum, that pagan doctrine of blood atonement concocted by Paul the liar that the law was fulfilled by the death of Jesus has contradicted what Jesus explicitly stated in Mathew that the application of the Law shall continue to last hour. which one you take?
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim, I can see you still do not understand. The law does still apply. Certain sins still require the shedding of blood and death. The shedding of Chist’s blood, His death and resurrection have fulfilled the law. You can accept it or not. You can accept life through Christ or you can accept the death that comes without Him. I choose life.
gravenimage says
I see Ibrahim itace muhammed is again pretending that Jews and Christians are enslaving and mass slaughtering people. What projection!
gravenimage says
Iran was closer to developing nuclear weapons than was previously thought
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Grimly, this does not surprise.
Felix Quigley says
So, even if Iran is developing nuclear bombs it is for peaceful purpose to deter fascist evil Zionist State of Israel and its slave state the brigand evil United States from attacking it. presently Iran is developing effective defence systems to neutralise nuclear attacks as alternative to nuclear bombs.
(Ibrahim Itaci Mohammed above)
This is the centre of the problem which links up with many of those supporting Corbyn. It is Jew hatred which is a real material force. Not just ideas or thoughts but ideas and thoughts representing reality.
In this sense the Palestinian Arabs or the “Palestinians” are the battering ram of Antisemitism which is once again in force in the world … hatred of the Jew.
This does run right through the present day left, or what goes for the left.
If Leon Trotsky embodied in his statements in 1938 the combined history of the left then these modern lefts have completely separated from Trotsky.
Everybody in politics once again is going to be judged on this.