Moina Shaiq is fond, too, of quoting Qur’an 109.1: “Unto you your religion, and unto me mine.” On its face, it sounds like a statement of tolerance — ‘go ahead, keep your religion, we Muslims don’t mind.” But Qur’an 109 means the exact opposite of what Shaiq wants people to believe. The Quraysh tribe had wanted to come to an understanding with Muhammad, where Muslims and non-Muslims would each try out the other’s religion, as we are told in the Hadith:
Said bin Mina (the freed slave of Abul Bakhtari) has related that Walid bin Mughirah, As bin Wail, Aswad bin al-Muttalib and Umayyah bin Khalaf met the Holy Prophet (upon whom be peace) and said to him: “O Muhammad (upon whom be Allah’s peace and blessings), let us agree that we would worship your God and you would worship our gods, and we would make you a partner in all our works. If what you have brought was better than what we possess, we would be partners in it with You, and have our share in it, and if what we possess is better than what you have brought, you would be partner in it with us and have your share of it.” At this Allah sent down: Qul ya-ayyuhal-kafirun (Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim, Ibn Hisham also has related this incident in the Sirah).
Wahb bin Munabbih has related that the people of Quraish said to Allah’s’ Messenger: “If you like we would enter your faith for a year and you would enter our faith for a year.” (Abd bin Humaid, Ibn Abi Hatim).
Sam Shamoun notes:
These traditions show that the Quraish had proposed such things to the Holy Prophet not once, in one sitting, but at different times and on different occasions; and there was need that they should be given a definite, decisive reply so that their hope that he would come to terms with them on the principle of “give and take” was frustrated for ever.
If the Surah is read with this background in mind, one finds that it was not revealed to preach religious tolerance as some people of today seem to think, but it was revealed in order to exonerate [sic for ‘distinguish’]] the Muslims from the disbelievers’ religion, their rites of worship, and their gods, and to express their total disgust and unconcern with them and to tell them that Islam and Corfu (unbelief) had nothing in common and there was no possibility of their being combined and mixed into one entity. Although it was addressed in the beginning to the disbelieving Quraish in response to their proposals of compromise, yet it is not confined to them only, but having made it a part of the Quran, Allah gave the Muslims the eternal teaching that they should exonerate [distinguish] themselves by word and deed from the creed of kufr wherever and in whatever form it be, and should declare without any reservation that they cannot make any compromise with the disbelievers in the matter of Faith.”
The verse ought to be understood correctly thus: “Unto us our [true] religion, unto you your [false] religion, and don’t you dare try to confuse or mix up the two. There is to be no compromise with the disbelievers.”
Moina Shaiq knows that on its face, unwary Infidels will take this verse as an affirmation of religious freedom — go ahead, practice your religion and we Muslims will practice ours, happy to leave you alone. She will not tell her “Meet A Muslim” audience three things.
First, she will not explain the context of Qur’an 109, which was a response to attempts by non-Muslims to persuade Muhammad to engage in an ecumenical give and take, with Muslims and non-Muslims agreeing to try out the faith of the other. Muhammad was giving a firm “No” to this curious idea.
Second, there is another, independent reason to dismiss Qur’an 109: it dates from the earlier, Meccan period, and has been held to be abrogated by later verses that contradict it. Even if we were to take Qur’an 109 as benign, and declare it to be a statement of laissez-faire tolerance, it remains contradicted and abrogated by Qur’an 9:29 (“kill the Unbelievers wherever you find them”), which is a later verse. Moina Shaiq knows, of course, about the doctrine of naskh, or abrogation of earlier verses by later ones that contradict them. That explains why she has been careful to call Qur’an 109 one of the last suras chronologically, even though it is not. She does this because she does not want anyone to suggest that Qur’an 109 could have been “abrogated.” The same abrogation applies, of course, to another favorite verse of apologists for Islam: “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” (Qur’an 2:256)
Third, Moina Shaiq does not mention that there are only three options traditionally available to non-Muslims conquered by the forces of Islam: conversion to Islam, death, or accepting the permanent status of dhimmi, subject to a host of onerous conditions including, most notably, payment of the jizyah. Though Muslim states no longer enforce the rules for dhimmis, those rules remain part of Islam, and wherever ISIS conquered, these rules were reimposed on non-Muslims. This is hardly a case of benign laissez-faire, of “Unto me my religion, and unto you yours.” It is, rather, “unto me my religion” and “I’ll make your life most unpleasant, even assuming you are allowed to stay alive, if you don’t convert to mine.”
RichardL says
How anyone can take a penguin seriously is truly beyond me.
mortimer says
Richard, her ‘uniform’ is the uniform of MISOGYNY and OWNERSHIP of women by a man.
The Islamic veil is worn because a woman is PROPERTY and has NOTHING TO DO WITH A RELIGIOUS DEVOTION.
The Islamic veil means a woman is a POSSESSION .. a THING … a DOMESTIC ANIMAL.
J D S says
So.much is stated about “disbelievers”…There is only one group of “disbelievers” and that is those who refuse to believe in the only one true God, “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”, “the Great I Am”, “Jehovah”…The muslims allah can only be Satan…as we have seen in all the atrocious acts performed by Muslims in the past and continuing to this very day…
Anyone who believes that God condones the murder and all the other atrocities that Muslims have done is as stupid as dirt. Jesus, the Son of God, ended God’s quest for change by force…(NO ONE, SAVE JESUS, COULD KEEP.THE MOSAIC COMMANDMENTS)….(The Mosaic Covenant)…So God sent Jesus, the new, BLOOD Covenant to replace the old Covenant with a Covenant of Peace and Love….Find anywhere in the New Testament, (the New Covenant) where Jesus tells us to murder anyone.
Of course Muslims try to get around this by saying that the Holy BIble has been corrupted…If there is any CORRUPTION it is in Islam as proven by their atrocious acts for the past 1400 years.
GOD SAVE US FROM OURSELVES!
JDS says
Any verse in the koran that might stand a chance of being called good is wiped out by other verses. A book that has no writer. (Made up.by many) is a worthless book and adhered to by worthless readers.
mortimer says
Here’s a Starter Kit of Ask-Me-Anything-about-Islam:
1. What is the political meaning of Jihad?
2. Why are Christians and Jews required to pay the Jizyah to Muslims to stay alive?
3. Why does it say in the Qur’an that Muslims should not take Christians and Jews as friends, for they are friends only with each other? Why do Muslims pretend to be friends to Christians and Jews?
4. It says in the Qur’an that “there is no compulsion in religion” (Qur’an 2.256). If there is no compulsion in religion, then why are people who leave Islam threatened with death?
5. Why did the Ayatollah Khomeini lower the marriageable age of girls to 9?
6. What is the surest way for a Muslim to get to Heaven?
7. Why did Muhammad attack the Jewish date farmers at the Khaybar Oasis?
8. How many wives did Muhammad have, and why was he allowed more than anyone else? Why did Mohammed break his own rules?
9. Did Muhammad own slaves, rather than abolish slavery as he abolished adoption?
10. Did Muhammad approve of slavery and sell one white slave for two black slaves?
11. Why is Muhammad called the Perfect Man (“al-insan al-kamil”), and the Model of Conduct (“uswa hasana”)?
12. Exactly how many prisoners of the Banu Qurayza tribe were killed while Muhammad watched?
13. How many military expeditions did Muhammad take part in?
14. When, according to the Qur’an, is killing Infidels prohibited?
15. How did Muhammad react when he heard that Asma bint Marwan had been killed?
16. How did Muhammad react when he heard that a 120-year-old Jewish poet, Abu ‘Afak, had been killed?
17. How are non-Muslims described in the Qur’an? (see 98.6)
18. How are Muslims described in the Qur’an? (see 3.110)
19. Why do so many non-Arab Muslims take Arabic names?
20. When does the doctrine of “abrogation” (naskh) in Qur’anic interpretation apply?
21. Under what conditions can a Muslim man beat his wife?
22. What is the Muslim Heaven like?
23. When can a Muslim father punish his daughter without fear of being punished himself?
24. According to Islamic law, what must a Muslim husband do to be divorced from his wife?
25. Why is the testimony of a Muslim woman worth only half that of a Muslim man?
26. In what ways does Islam tend to favor Arabs over non-Arabs?
27. How did Islam spread all the way from the Hejaz to the Iberian peninsula?
28. Why did Muslims blow up the Bamiyan Buddhas?
29. Why did Muslims threaten to blow up a church in Bologna with a fresco depicting Muhammad?
30. Why have there been more than 30,000 terrorist attacks by Muslims since 9/11/2001?
31. Who was Kinana, and what did Muhammad order should be done with him?
32. Does Islam have a version of the Golden Rule?
33. What is the doctrine of al-wala’ wal-bara’?
34. Why are there so many people in Pakistan named “Sayid”?
35. What kinds of music does Islam allow?
36. What is Dar al-Harb?
37. What is Dar al-Islam?
38. When does Jihad come to an end?
39. Do you want a death sentence for the criticism or mockery of Islam or do you practice Islam-à-la-carte?
revereridesagain says
Wow, Mortimer, I’m bookmarking this link just for that list!
Can it really be in this country today that so few people have educated themselves about the lies, misdirection, taqiyya, double-talk, whatever you want to call it that characterizes the nature of Islam as presented to the kafir by the slaves of Allah like this baghead, that at least one properly educated person can’t show up to counteract the lies and misquotations whenever she speaks? Please, please, everyone who can, buy “The History of Jihad” and as many of Spencer’s books — and those by other authorities — as you can, donate them to libraries who promise to put them on the shelves (I don’t trust mine, they don’t stock any on their own initiative and my town is awash in leftist dhimmimindedness), give them as gifts, recommend them to anyone who might be interested. If (like me) you can’t afford to do all that, make out a list for them, there are plenty available on Amazon at good prices. (I just did that for a friend who has a son in the military very concerned about Islamic infiltration there. And he will educate friends and associates…)
Given the monstrous violent history of jihad and its conquering armies, how can we sink so low as to be defeated by the likes of the Moina Shaiqs of this world?
gravenimage says
Great questions, Mortimer.
J D S says
Hey Mortimer there is enough there in those queries to convict Islam in a court of law, without answering them.
mortimer says
Moina Shaiq should be asked WHY IS VERSE 109.1 (“Unto you your religion, and unto me mine.”) ABROGATED by the Verse of the Sword 9.5 ?
Surah 109 109:6 “To you be your Way, and to me mine”
has been ABROGATED(Mansūkh) by Surah 9:5 Abrogator (Nāsikh)
9:5 Verse of the Sword “SLAY THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM”
PEOPLE WANT TO ASK MOINA SHAIQ ABOUT “ABROGATION” and “TAQIYYA”.
CogitoErgoSum says
The woman is either stupid or a liar, which speaks for itself concerning her religion.
mortimer says
CES, Islam is abysmally stupid with blowup dolls provided in Islamic paradise and eternal erections. Women get NOTHING in Islamic paradise … it’s just a continuation of their slavery on earth.
She is using THREE TYPES of deception 1) flat-out LIES or TAQIYYA 2) Kitman … deceit by omission and 3) Tawriya … deceit by ambiguity.
Islam is the RELIGION OF LYING … many Islamic authorities have RECOMMENDED TAQIYYA … Sharia law authorizes taqiyya: “And taqiyyah is compulsory. It is not permissible to eliminate it until the ‘Qa’im’(hidden Imam) emerges. Whoever abandons it before his emergence has left the religion of Allah and has opposed Allah, His Messengers and the Imams.” (Risaalah I’tiqadiyyah471 Sarkodah) 2217
-“…a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and even display false adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming Muslims. Under this concept of Taqiyya, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith.
-Muda’rat is a Sunni doctrine of deception and another name for taqqiya. Not many people know about the muda’rat doctrine outside the circles of the Ulama or the learned scholars of Islam. Muda’rat simply means flattery, adulation, conformity with deceit, trickery, keeping pace with, to cloak, to conceal or to hide. This deceptive behavior can be practiced with anybody when it is ‘necessary’ … Bukhari reports in Hadith no.5780 that the Prophet said, ‘We must deal with our enemies with smiles on our faces and curses in our hearts.’ Muhammad went on to say that ‘War is deception.’ This deception can be practiced at a personal level as well as at a community level through its leaders and institutions… since all Muslims are at war with unconquered disbelievers.
-“taqiyya permeates almost all the activities and dealings of Muslims with non-Muslim societies…”- a retired sheikh Sam Solomon
-“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and LYING, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by LYING, but NOT telling the truth, IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO LIE if attaining the goal is PERMISSIBLE … and OBLIGATORY TO LIE if the goal is obligatory.” source: Abu Hammid Ghazali
FYI says
Two important questions concerning allah’s “perfect” book,the koran.
1)In koran 4:171,the Jews are quoted as saying “We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary”
But JEWS didn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah.
Explain…
2)In koran 19:29-30
“Then she{Mary} pointed to him{baby Jesus}.They said “How can we talk to one who is the CRADLE,an infant boy”
“He{..yes,.the little one in the cradle!…}spake:
Lo!I am the slave of allah.he hath given me the scripture and hath appointed me a prophet”
a)How can …an infant speak?Who knew babies could talk?
b)What on earth is a little boy doing with “the scripture”[the Torah,which allah claims he wrote]
Can he read it and understand it while still in a cradle?How would he know what a prophet was?
mortimer says
FYI, there are about 1,000 things wrong with Koran. Islamic scholars have thousands of (contradictory) explanation for why ALLAH CAN’T TALK STRAIGHT OR CLEARLY … Allah usually MEANS TO SAY the OPPOSITE of what he actually says in the Koran. Confused? Good, they want you to be.
Muslims must spend a lifetime memorizing and REPEAT-REPEATING those absurdities!
HugoHackenbush says
According to Ibn Ishaq ( my summary + commentary of Guillaume translation):
Page 165: Regarding Sura 109. One of the “Satanic” verses (meaning put into the mind of Muhammad by Satan. Yes you read that right, by Satan). Interestingly Sura 109 is one of the verses frequently quoted to show the “tolerance” of Islam “…You can have your religion, all of it, and I have mine”. Later Mr. Muhammad is chastised by Allah (via Gabriel) for saying this (page 166) and Muhammad is remorseful. Allah then “sends down” a rewrite of Sura 109 via Sura 22.51 which then abrogates the original and acknowledges that this Sura is an undoing of the influence of Satan.
gravenimage says
Meet A Muslim: Moina Shaiq (Part Two)
…………………
Yes–none of this is about tolerance–not then, and not now.
Moina Shaiq didn’t start wearing Hijab until after 9/11–when she decided to rub Infidel’s noses in it.
Here’s one of these disgusting “Meet a Muslim” Taqiyya fests, where these Mohammedans claim that American “bigots” are a greater danger than murderous Jihadists:
“Five Muslims walk into a Roseville bar – here’s what happened next”
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article147771079.html
They also lie and claim that Sunni and Shia got along for 1400 years–until the Americans got involved. Of course, these sects have actually been slaughtering each other for all this time.
Grimly, the journalist here swallows this Taqiyya whole.
The Chronicle, though, does not have to rely on clueless dhimmis–instead, it just hauls out a Muslim apologist to write its article:
“Lively Meet a Muslim events seek to break down barriers”
by Hamed Aleaziz
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Lively-Meet-a-Muslim-events-seek-to-break-down-6814176.php
In this article, Muslims lie and say that women are only oppressed in Saudi Arabia, and in no other Muslim countries.
Then they say that non-Muslims are only concerned about Shari’ah law because they don’t know enough about it–as though learning more about flogging, amputation, and stoning makes one more inclined to see these horrors imposed on the free West. *Ugh*.
The good thing is that a number of the comments on this article are pretty savvy about Islam–one even mentions Taqiyya.
infidel says
Another one of Islam’s LONG AND NEVER ENDING LISTS of LIARS and Taqiyya specialists. Another Islamic TRUISM from the annals of the infidel: LYING TO THE INFIDEL is another integral part of Islam as is Jehaad. Lies are one of the most powerful allies in the cause of advancement of Islam. Muslims lie thru their teeth. and tell the most atrocious of lies even to their youngsters to brainwash them into hatred of the Khafir.
infidel says
And one of the biggest, nastiest, favorite, and MOST INSIDIOUS of the lies that Muslims tell their youngsters in order to brainwash them into hatred of the Khafir is ” ISLAM IS IN DANGER”. even if the Muslim and his family is living the BEST OF LIFE in the host infidel society. ISLAM IS IN DANGER is also a fav one of the mad Imaams in order to exhort their faithful to Jehaad… It also fits very well into the Muslim’s perennial sense of victim-hood..
infidel says
Also, people like this Mona aptly fit into what I call as the “JEHAADI MODERATE UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE”. Those familiar with the laws of Physics know very well Heisenberg’s UNCERTAINTY principle, where subatomic particles and even light show DUAL behavior in that they can behave both like an energy wave or a particle of mass… but one cannot pinpoint exactly because if U think they are a particle.. they flit to a wave behavior and viceversa.
The same thing goes with this Mona Muslims and the likes of her…. They orchestrate taqiyaa to a hyper fine art, constantly flitting between Jehaadi and moderate behavior with the aim to completely befuddle the infidel. If U think they are sweet mods. they take advantage of ur lowered guard and flit to mad Jehaadi behavior. And when U seem to take notice and umbrage at this change.. they immediately flit to sweet talking mod mode. And at all times, the infidel is left confused and cannot hold them down to any one particular mode…. EXTREMELY INSIDIOUS!!!
Jayell says
‘Meet a muslim’? I do my best to AVOID them if I see one coming. Which means that I’m taking quite a bit of avoidance-action in this part of east London these days.
Mahendra Singh says
If you say something critical of Islam, a Muslim’s ready reply is “Read the Koran, and you will understand”. They know darnn well that ((.(( percent of non Muslims cannot read Arabic. That kind of exonerates them.