The Post hired an Islamic hardliner, and is now trying to cover its tracks. My latest in PJ Media:
The Washington Post is indignant that “hard-line Republicans and conservative commentators are mounting a whispering campaign against Jamal Khashoggi,” supposedly in order to “protect President Trump from criticism of his handling of the dissident journalist’s alleged murder by operatives of Saudi Arabia.”
The Post hits these “hardliners” for highlighting Khashoggi’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, and claims that “while Khashoggi was once sympathetic to Islamist movements, he moved toward a more liberal, secular point of view.”
In reality, Khashoggi was the real hardliner, supporting jihad violence and Sharia right up to the time of his murder — even in his recent Post columns. This raises questions about why the paper hired him as a columnist in the first place.
As recently as August 28, 2018, Khashoggi wrote in the Post:
The United States’s aversion to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is more apparent in the current Trump administration, is the root of a predicament across the entire Arab world. The eradication of the Muslim Brotherhood is nothing less than an abolition of democracy and a guarantee that Arabs will continue living under authoritarian and corrupt regimes.
While positing the Muslim Brotherhood as the standard-bearer of democracy in the Arab world, Khashoggi did not deny that its aspiration is to impose Sharia wherever it can. He wrote: “There can be no political reform and democracy in any Arab country without accepting that political Islam is a part of it.” And he warned: “It is wrong to dwell on political Islam, conservatism and identity issues when the choice is between having a free society tolerant of all viewpoints and having an oppressive regime.”
Would Muslim Brotherhood rule really result in a “free society tolerant of all viewpoints”? During the Egyptian presidential campaign of 2012, the Muslim Brotherhood Freedom and Justice Party candidate Mohamed Morsi (who was elected) declared:
The Qur’an is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal …
Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals.
“Jihad is our path.” As I show in great detail in my book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, throughout 1,400 years of Islamic history, Muslims pursuing jihad as their path have been the cause of unfathomable levels of misery and suffering for non-Muslims whose sole crime was to believe in the wrong religion. Hardly a sound basis for a “free society tolerant of all viewpoints.”
Sharia law, once established, allows for the beating of disobedient women (Qur’an 4:34), the devaluation of women’s testimony (Qur’an 2:282), the devaluation of women’s inheritance rights (Qur’an 4:3), the taking of sex slaves (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50, and 70:30), the death penalty for leaving Islam (Qur’an 4:89), and much more that hardly provides for a “free society tolerant of all viewpoints.”
In 2014, Khashoggi wrote happily that Hamas leaders Khaled Meshaal and Ismail Haniyeh “have revived the Palestinian issue.” He complained about “Israel’s occupation” and about “an Israeli war against the Palestinians that has not stopped for a single day since 1948.”
Why would the Washington Post hire a pro-jihad, pro-Sharia, pro-Hamas advocate for political Islam?
The answer is clear: the Post hired Jamal Khashoggi because his views coincided with those of the paper’s editorial board….
Read the rest here.
Guy Forester says
Daniel Greenfield on his Sultan Knish blog does a really good unmasking of this Darling of the Left.
Democratic rule under the MB is as follows: One MAN, one vote, once. Once the MB faction is elected, no one else gets a voice ever again unless there is an armed uprising, a la Egypt.
The MB considers the Saud/Wahabi rulers to be heretics and westernized apostates. The house of Saud will not tolerate ANY opposition to their rule, even within the clan, and especially from outside.
What was done to this man is detestable and not defendable, but it was intended as a warning to others not to screw with the Saud rulers.
gravenimage says
Good analysis, Guy.
J D S says
I think Robert Spencer’s thoughts are correct. This muslim was hired because his views coincided with those of their editorial board…..What a waste if trees
christianblood says
The murder of this one individual (Khashoggi) is exposing some huge Western hypocrisy and double standards. The West, especially Canada, Germany and France are now talking about suspending arms deals with Saudi Arabia over the death of this one individual while they keep shipping smart bombs to the same Saudis and the UAE savages who killed and are still tens of thousands of minority Yemeni Shiites!
gravenimage says
christianblood always supports his favorite Shia Jihadists.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Houthis in Yemen are NO jihadists, they are indigenous Yemeni Shiite militia fighting to RESIST the Allies of Evil that want to completely annihilate them! The Allies of Evil are the US, Saudis, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, France, UK, UAE, others as well as thousands of military personnel known as (Muslim Nato) sent from Sunni countries that that have invaded Yemen with the support of the US and Saudis to destroy the Houthis!
J D S says
Yep. Graven ..the truth always wins out in the end. Does christianblood really know what the truth is? He keeps raging about Yemen…maybe he needs to change his handle to “muslimblood”
gravenimage says
Grimly true, J D S.
f c king says
Well written article. Very well done. This guy is a saudi citizen, and was killed in Turkey. Who cares, and it isn’t Trump’s or my business. It’s just another muslim on muslim killing. The left makes a big stink over this, yet not one word regarding the horrors experienced by non muslims living in muslim countries.
christianblood says
f c king posted
(…The left makes a big stink over this, yet not one word regarding the horrors experienced by non muslims living in muslim countries…)
True. Left or right, Western nations and their governments support islamists that are murdering minorities in the islamic world and Washington Post is a part and parcel of the traitorous pro-islamist Western establishment!
mortimer says
Mr. Bloodthirsty Unchristian is a thoroughgoing fascist, no different than the Hitlerites, but with Slavic racism instead. His comments are 90% DEZINPHORMATSIJA and the rest is tidbits of truth and semi-truth, misquoted and taken out of context.
He thinks he is influencing people, but he isn’t smart enough for the crowd at JihadWatch who shake their heads and loathe his primitive, snakelike viciousness.
The Shia ‘brotherhood’ in government in Iran behaves no different in practice than the Sunnite brotherhood did in Egypt. Same tyranny, same discriminatory Sharia, different countries. The Bloodthirsty Unchristian knows less about Shi’ism than he does about advanced nuclear fuel cycles. So much for that pompous fascist jerk.
gravenimage says
christianblood is of course completely lying about what f c king said.
christianblood says
mortimer
You hater of the Christ!
Watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCuHbK_V9dQ
gravenimage says
What has Mortimer *ever* said that makes him a “hater of the Christ!”?
What calumny.
tom parry says
i disagree,
his profession was journalism, maybe not your point of views or that of the saudi govt.
so that makes his asasination more important, Heaven forbid if our dear Robert was killed.
Journalist need the most protection regardless of their view points.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer in PJ Media: Why Would the Washington Post Hire Someone Like Jamal Khashoggi?
……………………….
Either denial–desperate to believe that Khashoggi was really for Western values–or, worse, particularly toxic “political correctness”.
None of these this condones his appalling murder by the vicious Saudis, of course–which was indicative of a bloody power struggle between two ‘Islamist’ factions.
But his being lauded as an exemplar of free speech and democracy is also absurd.
Wellington says
Seconded. Of course, gravenimage, your on-point post will be lost on many, including christianblood, who, yes, once again, has taken an opportunity presented him to excoriate the West instead of the putrid Iranian regime.
Some things are very predictable. One of them is what ALL of the Islamic world, whether Sunni or Shiite, intends for all the world. Another is the forever crude propaganda coming from a Russian troll like christianblood.
christianblood says
Wellington
I didn’t even mention Iran. I compared the West’s selective and hypocritical ‘outrage’ of the murder of the Saudi journalist to the tens thousands of Yemenis being murdered by the same Saudis and its allies with smart bombs and planes provided by the West and how no one in the West is even talking about it!
gravenimage says
The idea that the internecine Jihad in Yemen is not being covered in the West is, of course, absurd. Here’s just one of them:
“UN humanitarian chief says danger of ‘big famine’ in Yemen”
https://www.foxnews.com/world/un-humanitarian-chief-says-danger-of-big-famine-in-yemen
What christianblood means is that not all Western news sources are uncritically lauding Shia Houthi Jihadists as conquering heroes, though.
Krishna says
He might be sympathetic towards Muslim brother but his anti saudi stance is good and Saudis need to be charged for gruesome killing of Khashoggi
eduardo odraude says
Not just any “Muslim brother”. This is about the nefarious Muslim Brotherhood organization, which for a long time has been behind a great deal of the worldwide jihad to spread Sharia by violence, fraud, and proselytization.
True, it’s hard to say which is worse, the Saudis, or the Muslim Brotherhood. I think probably the latter.
christianblood says
Krishna posted
(…He might be sympathetic towards Muslim brother but his anti saudi stance is good and Saudis need to be charged for gruesome killing of Khashoggi…)
Well-said! The man was lured into the Saudi Embassy, interrogated, tortured, beaten to death and then cut up into smaller pieces by the 15 killers by the Saudi thuggish crown prince and while his Turkish fiancee was standing outside waiting!
I have no love for the “muslim brotherhood” but I am more outraged by the (Saudi=ISIS) savages that did this to him, these murderous savages are the same people who perpetrated 9/11 attacks that killed 3000 civilians in the US and the same people who sponsor islamic terror groups and islamic terror ideology all across the globe! They are also America’s dearest and closest allies in the islamic world!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O0uR03s7m4
Wellington says
Of course, christianblood, the Iranian mullahs have never tortured anyone. Right?
You still don’t get it, do you? Your forever Russia good, Iran good, Putin good, Hezbollah good v. America bad, Saudi Arabia bad, Trump bad, Sunni terrorist groups bad, blah, blah, blah, is the stuff of crude, one-dimensional and even moronic propaganda that only one-dimensional people like yourself will buy into.
You won’t get any of this. For sure. And please spare me another video link—at least do that.
christianblood says
Wellington
Again you obviously obsessed with Russia and Iran but I was talking about how America’s closest allies, the head-chopping Saudi savages murdered a journalist and cut up his body in Turkey!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f35TUFmCtYY
christianblood says
Wellington
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYUmwG7-1Ec
Wellington says
Christianblood: I am neither obsessed with Russia nor with Iran. Again you set up a straw man and knock it down.
What bothers me about you is that you never have ANYTHING critical to say about Russia and Iran, the former an authoritarian regime and the latter a despicable Islamic regime. Just because you don’t mention Russia or Iran sometimes, though you often do, when you go and and on about how terrible America and Saudi Arabia are (and the latter surely is), I know full well you will never have anything negative to say about Russia or Iran. It’s a glaring double standard and evidence of a propagandist, which you surely are.
gravenimage says
Wellington, all christianblood can do is spam the same few links he always uses. In this case he couldn’t even be bothered to post an English-language link to footage of 9/11.
Everyone here *condemns* Saudi Arabia, and knows that they are no allies of ours. But christianblood continues to pretend that everyone here loves them, which is just absurd.
christianblood says
Wellington
If Iran or Russia are supporting barbaric jihadist groups that are mass-murdering Christians and other minorities in ME, if they were arming ISIS and Al-Qaeda and dozens of other jihadist groups to overthrow secular governments in the region (like they did in Libya and trying to do in Syria now) I would speak out against them and would spare no criticism against them but I don’t see them doing that at all! In fact,
On the other hand, I see Russia and Iran and Hezbollah resisting the US and Saudi, Nato pro-jihadist agenda in the ME! A very good example of this is Syria where the US, the Saudis, Qataris, UK, France, Turkey, Israel have grouped together to destroy the secular government of Assad flooding Syria with hundreds of thousands of barbaric jihadist head-choppers and without the military help of Iran and Russia the black flag of ISIS would be flying in Damascus today and millions of Christians and other minorities in that ancient country would be lying dead by now!
Please watch the video clip below to see what I am talking about:
https://www.rt.com/news/syria-christian-village-freed-711/
christianblood says
gravenimage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoRHLrXmqbc
christianblood says
Wellington
This spiritual chant is for the victims of islamic terrorists, including the victims of the 9/11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feu2owd0MsY
mortimer says
Wellington, DEZINPHORMATSIYA.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mortimer.
christianblood is still ignoring the US having destroyed the the Islamic State as a territorial entity, and is instead pretending that ISIS is actually America and Israel.
And he is still lauding Hizb’allah, which exists to wipe out democratic Israel and is dominating formerly Christian-majority Lebanon. *Ugh*.
christianblood says
gravenimage & mortimer
Satanic, pro-ISIS, liberal imperialist US never destroy ISIS but it rather creates it, funds it and arms it to further its own satanic, anti-Christ liberal imperialist hegemonic agenda! Saudi-arming satanic US uses ISIS and various other jihadist groups to destroy governments and to create chaos and mass-murder and religious genocide against Christians and other minorities!
Just as Reagan courted islamic extremists based in Pakistan to destroy secular Afghanistan in the 1980s and Clinton bombed Serbian Christians in support of Bosnian jihadists in the nineties and Obama used al-Qaeda to destroy Libya and Syria earlier in this decade now Trump continues to back al-Qaeda in Syria’s Idlib!
Satanic, anti-Christ and duplicitious US is always in the arse of islamic jihadists and even after 19 Arab Sunni/Wahhabi jihadists, 15 of whom were Saudis murdered 3000 American on a single day, Satanic and dollar-worshiping, immoral US leaders are still dancing with and bowing to Saudi=ISIS savage head-choppers, shitting on the graves of 3000 Americans murdered by Saudis on 9/11!!! What a shame! What a ridiculous stupidity! What a wickedness! What a moral depravity!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H86B-7fbqD0
christianblood says
Former US national security adviser to Al-Qaeda & Taliban jihadists:
(..Wage Your jihad, your cause is right and Allah is on your side!..)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0
christianblood says
gravenimage & mortimer
Watch as your satanic, immoral, jihadist-loving, Saudi-arming and purely EVIL leaders celebrate the brutal murder of Qaddafi by US-backed jihadist terrorists! Shame on you! You moral deprived has NO limit!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI
gravenimage says
Mortimer and I oppose Jihad and its enabling wherever we find it.
Claiming we should be ashamed of this and are “moral deprived” is just appalling.
christianblood says
gravenimage & mortimer
Your satanic, pro-islamist and EVIL nation (USA) backed, armed, funded and sided with islamic jihadists in the Balkans, bombed Christians Serbs and carved out two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in Christian lands in Eastern Europe! If there was any trace of morality remained you, you would have committed suicide long time ago!!!
Watch what your Kosovar islamic jihadists backed by your EVIL and and satanic state did to hundreds of Serbian Churches and monasteries in Metohija! Shame on you! I know, for sure this will NOT go unpunished and your collective karma awaits!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHSav7TbYBM
gravenimage says
Of course, Mortimer and I have never supported *any* enabling of Jihad, as christianblood continues to pretend.
As for his claims of “collective karma”, he has always said that he looks forward to our being conquered by Islam.
He has said does not care that this would only further imperil the victims of Islam. *Ugh*.
Meanwhile, he is fine with Russia’s enabling of Iran and Hizb’allah.
gravenimage says
I see christianblood is once again claiming that ISIS was created by the United States. So grotesque.
Terry Gain says
My heart does not bleed for any member or supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Renate says
By the sound of it, the world is a better place without Jamal Khashoggi in it and the Saudis have done everyone a big favour.
gravenimage says
Renate, the savage Saudis did not kill Khashoggi because he was an ‘Islamist’–they would have done the same to any journalist who criticized them.
Renate says
It’s fine for us to sit back and be armchair quarterbacks as though we know everything that goes on, but one has to consider that there’s more to these news reports than first meets the eye.
Khashoggi was not an innocent that the Saudis just decided to get rid of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbKbGZ4K0CQ
gravenimage says
The Saudis still had no right to torture him to death–they are Muslim thugs as well.
Renate says
We need to wait until we have all the facts yielded by the investigation to see what actually happened. We’re all keyboard warriors, so none of us were there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S-DeMUMemY
gravenimage says
Renate, the Saudis are *admitting* he was murdered:
“Khashoggi death: Saudi Arabia says journalist was murdered”
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45935823
They are just claiming–implausibly–that MbS knew nothing about it.
Renate says
Gravenimage, I am aware of that. I do think he was doing more Muslim Brotherhood propaganda than journalism. WaPo is a left-wing organization. It’s like any other international incident. The CIA, MI6, CSIS, any intelligence organization of any country, including Saudi Arabia, is not going to deliver a full report to the general public of every detail of the incident. Any government is only going to volunteer just so much information, especially if something is seen as a matter of national security.
gravenimage says
Renate, the West does not murder biased journalists or propagandists, either.
Renate says
gravenimage, organizations like the CIA may have done in people that we aren’t even aware of and just not told us. Also, Saudi Arabia is an Islamic country with different standards than the West. When the people of Libya caught Muammar Gaddafi, they sodomized him with a metal pipe before they killed him. We wouldn’t do that, but they deemed it appropriate treatment.
gravenimage says
Muslims are savages. I don’t accept barbaric Islamic standards.
And it’s not as though the CIA could be regularly torturing journalists to death without our having any inkling of it.
Just false moral equivalence.
Renate says
gravenimage, it’s the stuff of spies and secret agents. This is what the whole James Bond franchise centres around. The character of Bond is a secret agent who is licensed to kill for his country. I might add that at the end of those movies, never once does the secret agent do an interview for public consumption about his exploits. In “secret agent”, the operative word is “secret”.
To me, Khashoggi was more Muslim Brotherhood than he was journalist, but that’s just my impression.
Guy Forester says
Renate,
Thanks for posting that video. He hit the nail on the head. When you have Soros, Putin, Erdogan, and the MSM involved, Trump is the target. Kashoggi was unfortunately collateral damage in the machinations of the deep state.
Renate says
Guy, you’re welcome. I’m not so sure that it is unfortunate that Khashoggi was collateral damage. Away back when, Khashoggi was buddies with Osama bin Laden. He was also Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is only interested in establishing a caliphate. They have no time for kingdoms whether the kingdoms are in Saudi Arabia, Great Britain, or wherever. Neither do they have any time for democracies or republics or any other form of government except the caliphate. If they were able to depose the Saudi Royal Family, next they could be coming for us. Muslim Brotherhood is NOT our friend.
mortimer says
Thanks, Renate. Bring us more vids like that one anytime! Very informative.
Khashoggi was apparently a double agent or a triple agent. The current monarch discovered his treachery.
Renate says
You’re welcome, Mortimer. That video really lays out just how convoluted this story really is.
Renate says
Mortimer, I was thinking that if you liked the video, you may also be interested in this article by Daniel Greenfield: https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271682/khashoggimania-and-our-islamist-colluding-media-daniel-greenfield
gravenimage says
Renate, the idea that the United States and the West are as savage as the barbaric Saudis is simply untrue.
If the West was regularly whacking journalists it would not stay a secret.
Renate says
I did not say that the U.S. or the West was as savage as the Saudis. Nor did I say that the West was regularly whacking journalists. I don’t think that Khashoggi was just a journalist, though. I would describe him as first and foremost Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood hasn’t done any favours for the Saudis, the U.S., or the West.
Wellington says
“…and the Saudis have done everyone a big favour.”
As gravenimage twice tried to indicate to you, this is not, nor should not, be the point.
Renate says
In a strictly moral sense, it shouldn’t be the point. However, governments and their operatives sometimes act in the interest of national security and may not act morally. For example, I saw an interview with a man who claimed to have shot bin Laden who was wanted dead or alive. They could have taken bin Laden in alive, but the man said that bringing him back dead was saving the tax payers the cost of a trial. One could argue that bringing bin Laden in alive would be the moral thing to do. In a perfect world, everything would be done morally. This is not a perfect world.
gravenimage says
Renate, the idea that not taking bin Laden alive–which would have been almost impossible, and have put the already imperiled Seal Team 6 in much greater danger–is morally equivalent to torturing a journalist (no matter how repugnant his views) to death in the nation’s consulate is just calumny.
Renate says
I think you’re going to disagree with me just for the sake of disagreeing with me.
gravenimage says
Renate, I actually think that considering the West no better than the savage Saudis is a mistake.
You can, of course, disagree if you wish.
Renate says
I think you read a little too much into what other people say, come up with your own conclusions and will not be convinced otherwise.
Benedict says
The Saudi liquidation of Jamal Khashoggi is fully in the spirit of Islam and its deluded prophet. Criticizing the custodians of the two most holy sites in Islam can only be met with barbarism and savagery.
gravenimage says
+1
ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr spencer ,you mean anyone who believe in political Islam or sharia compliant political system shall be killed? Is that the kind of freedom you are advocating? is that not totalitarianism? Hamas ,muslim brotherhood and Hezbullah are freedom fighters resisting fascist evil Zionist State of Israel ,and that is why the stooges of armed robber evil United States the idiot evil Saudi monarchs eliminated khassogi for supporting this just cause. These idiots will soon be kicked out of control over Muslim holy sites at mecca and Medina ,retrieved the Hijaz’s wealths they have stolen and stashed in the economy of evil United States and put them on trial for crimes against humanity. wicked scums of evils!!
James Lincoln says
Well, Ibrahim, at least we know where you stand…
Angry Aussie says
Your position is one of taking offence when the tide turns. Islam is about domination and conquest, and incorporates beheading as acceptable punishment for shunning an “invitation” to join the pack. Believe it or not, the majority of the rest of the world still finds that quite abhorrent.
Being a Muslim, and an Islamist, Kashogghi was aware of his fate from birth if he strayed. He was born and raised in that “religion of peace”.
As non Muslims, we are expected to tolerate the tantrums of the intolerant ones. That includes what we believe are acts of terrorism, but are actually sharia compliant acts of devoutness by followers of the Quran.
Should the world mourn the loss of this man, or should we pause and remember that James Foley and many others met a similar fate through no fault of their own?
I haven’t lost any sleep over Kashogghi. I did over James Foley. Perhaps I am building up an immunity to the never ending violence of the religion of peace.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Renate says
Khashoggi was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. No great loss.
gravenimage says
What crap from ibrahim itace muhammed. Robert Spencer never said that the vicious Saudis had any right to murder Khashoggi. Besides, they didn’t kill him because he”believe in political Islam or sharia compliant political system”–they killed him because he dared to criticize them. This was a Muslim power struggle.
And Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Hizb’allah are all just more savage Jihadists.
mortimer says
Jamal Khashoggi was no friend of freedom. When the truth of his assassination comes out, it will turn more Western people away from the NARRATIVE that Islam is benign.
Roland Tours says
Robert Spencer, you leaped to the conclusion that, “The answer is clear: the Post hired Jamal Khashoggi because his views coincided with those of the paper’s editorial board…”
I don’t think so. The Washington Post evidently wanted to believe that Jamal Kashoggi was a true democrat. That’s all. But, there is a real dilemma here. Democratic processes in Islamic cultures usually yield illiberal results, like the regimes of Mohamed Morsi and Tayip Recip Erdogan. Then, only strongmen like al-Sisi of Eqypt can impose pragmatic regimes that, however dictatorial, are more pragmatic, preventing society from being consumed in perpetual Islamic revolution, protecting useful minorities, and engaging in more normal relations with other countries.The costs are violent repression and military takeover of the major industries and assets of the country, such as the Suez Canal. A strait-jacketed society.
gravenimage says
Alas, Christians are not much protected in Sisi’s Egypt. Of course, it would have been even worse under the Muslim Brotherhood.
Terry Gain says
This is the same Washington Post that convinced itself – against all evidence – that Hussein Obama is a Christian and Islam is a religion of peace, when it is neither.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
christianblood says
Roland Tours
Well-said!
Washington Post, New York Times and all other major US and Western establishment news organization believe muslim brotherhood and even Al-Qaeda are good people that need to supported and welcomed! These despicable people even give ‘Oscars’ to Al-Qaeda “White Helmets”!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_MZKRG3frQ
Guy Forester says
Unfortunately, the MSM and deep state operatives are trying desperately to get DJT to say or do something that will negatively affect him, our economy, and affect our midterm elections.
As disgusting as the torture and murder of JK was, we do not need to get involved in the internal struggles of the KSA, or the arguments between Erdogan and MBS. I am not aware of anything positive ever coming out of the US getting involved in any muslim v muslim struggle.
The best outcome possible from this episode that I could see would be for DJT to call up MBS and remind him that WE are the only power in area that would stand between Iran and the KSA if Iran had a notion to roll down to Riyadh and Mecca and reinstitute the Persian Islamic empire and tell MBS he needs to clean up the mess quickly.
Unfortunately, Saudi justice being what it is, a few heads will most likely roll, albeit very low level flunky heads. Blood money will be paid quite generously to the fiancé, wife, and other family members. Others will get a choice: a little money to get lost with for about 5 years or go to chop chop square with the other idiots. These guys will no doubt find it convenient to relocate to a southeast Asian country and find a few girl friends.
Otherwise, DJT needs to dump this distraction ASAP and deal with the border issue. Let the KSA stew in their own soup for a while and keep the US out of these internal, infernal, and eternal muslim v muslim struggles.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Guy Forester.
Sam says
We have two personalities before us , Khashoggi and the Crown Prince. Both of them presented as the antithesis of the other. Yet, both of them are exactly the same. And, if this truism was uttered by Khashoggi, “There can be no political reform and democracy in any Arab country without accepting that political Islam is a part of it.” And he warned: “It is wrong to dwell on political Islam, conservatism and identity issues when the choice is between having a free society tolerant of all viewpoints and having an oppressive regime” it is also an underlying belief of the crown prince. Firstly, only Islam matters. Secondly, Islam oppresses everybody no matter its religious or political persuasion; Khashoggi is a case in point and Christian are oppressed in Muslim countries…The Washington Post , Khashoggi and the Crown Prince sing from the same song sheet. The pertinent question we should ask is: Is the Washington Post de jure Muslim in its beliefs , funding and persuasion?
gravenimage says
+1
Michael Copeland says
“….a free society tolerant of all viewpoints”…..
but not Khashoggi’s viewpoint.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Liar Gravenimage, your evil United States as the horn of Satan you call Holy Spirit is the most savage and wicked who survives on blood sheds and armed robbery. Your Dujjal policy will soon be cut off from the middleast when wicked evil Idiot saudi monarchs and other surrogate rulers are kicked out of power .
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mortimer, you mean your freedom of wickedness and armed robbery inspired by the satan you call Holy Spirit? you people are fools and take people to be fools. Evil United States always want see idiot rulers to exploit the resources of their countries. If rulers want develope their countries, evil United States plots to remove them.If they cannot be removed, evil United States leads the coalation of brigands to bomb and destroy that country as they did to Iraq, Libya and Syria. wicked scums of evils!!
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Liar Gravenimage, your evil United States as the horn of Satan you call Holy Spirit is the most savage and wicked who survives on blood sheds and armed robbery. Your Dujjal policy will soon be cut off from the middleast when wicked evil Idiot saudi monarchs and other surrogate rulers are kicked out of power .
………………………………….
Of course, I have gotten nothing wrong.
Note that Ibrahim itace muhammed has said that Infidels who do not allow Muslims to enslave them are engaging in “armed robbery” and “international brigandage”.
He has said that opposing child marriage, sex slavery, and mass slaughter is inspired by the Holy Spirit–like that’s a bad thing…
And the vicious Saudis are perfectly Islamic–and are no allies of ours.
More, in reply to Mortimer:
mortimer, you mean your freedom of wickedness and armed robbery inspired by the satan you call Holy Spirit? you people are fools and take people to be fools. Evil United States always want see idiot rulers to exploit the resources of their countries. If rulers want develope their countries, evil United States plots to remove them.If they cannot be removed, evil United States leads the coalation of brigands to bomb and destroy that country as they did to Iraq, Libya and Syria. wicked scums of evils!!
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Ibrahim itace muhammed has made the ludicrous claim before that it is the West that is preventing the stagnant lands of Islam from development. Of course, nothing further could be the truth, given the amount of foreign aid the US and other Western nations have poured into the Muslim world.
But–as I noted above–Ibrahim itace muhammed has said that unbelievers need to allow Muslims to enslave them to stimulate “development” in Dar-al-Islam. I think I’ll demur…
Mr. Maxwell S. J. Fenton says
It comes to something when you murder and butcher a man, cut him up into pieces and maybe make a pie out of him, right in plain sight and happily go about your day.
Islam is so brutal and demonic that this pagan pantomime is actually amusing.
The West cannot understand that Muhammadans are simply crude, primitive pagan filth with exceptional manners and an inexhaustable capacity for deceit.
Their entire political machinations are desirous of bloodshed, it’s just the way it is. Let’s see more please, I’m seriously entertained.
Lorensacho says
There are a lot of reasons why the Washington Post would hire Khashoggi to write columns. One reason would be his unique insight into the Saudi system, a system he criticized which cost him his life. Another reason is that he was a voice for the freedom of expression, having had to flee the kingdom in order to be able to express himself. A bigger question is why would Robert Spencer, a man I greatly admire work to smear Khashoggi’s reputation. What’s the point of attacking man who can’t defend himself? Is this all to defend Trump’s position of you can’t criticize good customers.
gravenimage says
How is rightly noting that Jamal Khashoggi had links to the Muslim Brotherhood a smear? Khashoggi was not shy about this.
And it is a mistake to think that everyone who stands against tyranny is ergo for freedom. Some of them–as here–are just for another brand of tyranny.
And are you saying that it is not permissible to criticize any dead person? Do we then have to praise the “Prophet” Muhammed and Osama bin Laden?
TWG says
Let’s not get things twisted.
1) Khashoggi was NOT a “journalist”. He was an opinion writer (islamic propagandist).
2) Khashoggi was NOT a U.S. Citizen. HE WAS A SAUDI.
Khashoggi was a jihadi propagandist, stupid (brazen) enough to poke sticks at the Saudi kingdom and royal family and then travel to that country as if to give them the smug-face. WTF did he think would happen?
No, I will have no sorrow for yet another moslem jihadist (an islamic PROPAGANDIST, no less), murdered by his fellow moslems. I wouldn’t give the teeniest, tiniest, turdiest turd any more what flavor of islam they adhere to. moslems murdering moslems matters not to me any more. If only they could just kill each other off in their own sandbox, instead of spreading their murder and mayhem to civilized societies.
All this fake outrage from the islammunist party (aka “democrats”) is outrageous. It’s a political scheme. Where was their concern about the Americans murdered in Benghazi? What about all the other AMERICAN JOURNALISTS (REAL Journalists) slaughtered in the land of islam and imprisoned in Turkey? They don’t give one rats behind about the issue of murderous islamics, unless they can somehow twist it around and use it against their enemies, the American Citizens who care about the future for their children and their country.
Khashoggi – NOT a Journalist. NOT an American. A Saudi islamic jihadist, spreading propaganda to further infect the minds of our citizens reading the wapo. May he rot in the fiery pits of hell for eternity.
henrik arboe jensen says
very significant. the reason?.
washington post is only interest is anti republicans strategic profile.
if head is chopped of by isis or crownprince could not care less
Trump and May both sell billions worth military hardware.
henrik arboe jensen says
to the saudis.
henrik arboe jensen says
i mean w p give a shit about arabs.
Politicianophobia says
Angry Aussie, We all build up an immunity to never ending violence of the religion of peace. Khashoggi was just another manic Muslim and the world is a better place without him.
Politicianophobia says
Ibby, you forgot to mention Mad Devil Trump, you are slipping. ” Wicked, scums of evil” from the Thinging Master ha ha ha ha ha ha what a sense of humour Ibby has.
gravenimage says
🙂