The Saudis have admitted killing him. But the Turks claims’ about the circumstances of the killing cannot be taken at face value. The Turks and the Saudis are rivals for leadership of the Sunni Islamic world, and so both have an interest in dissembling about what happened here and exploiting Khashoggi’s death for their own ends.
Khashoggi, of course, was an anti-American, pro-jihad friend of Osama bin Laden who was — tellingly — hired by the Washington Post. His positions are a separate question from that of the circumstances of the murder.
“It would’ve been nearly impossible for journalist Khashoggi to record inside the Saudi Consulate using his Apple Watch,” by Steve Kovach, CNBC, October 16, 2018:
Although Turkish officials haven’t said how they obtained both audio and video evidence that they say proves journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed by Saudis inside their consulate in Istanbul, a new report from a pro-government Turkish newspaper claims at least some of that evidence comes from an audio recording made from Khashoggi’s Apple Watch.
But the method the newspaper said Khashoggi used to record the alleged incident inside the Saudi Consulate is at odds with the way the Apple Watch works, and it’s doubtful the story is true. The report also raises new questions about whether Turkish officials are accurately disclosing how they obtained the audio that they say gives evidence of Khashoggi’s killing.
The Turkish newspaper Sabah reported Saturday that Khashoggi recorded audio of the alleged killing using an app on his Apple Watch and was able to upload the recording to his iPhone and iCloud account. Sabah is a pro-Turkish government newspaper that the country’s security officials use to leak information, The Associated Press reported Saturday.
Apple declined to comment on the report. CNBC has reached out to Sabah for comment. Saudi Arabia has denied involvement in Khashoggi’s disappearance.
Here’s what the Sabah report said and how the story’s details don’t correspond to how the Apple Watch actually works.
Sabah’s report says the Saudis attempted to delete the audio recording using Khashoggi’s fingerprint to unlock his Apple Watch. But there is no fingerprint sensor on any model of the Apple Watch. It can only be unlocked with a passcode. Only some models of the iPhone, iPad and MacBook have fingerprint sensors. The Apple Watch remains unlocked as long as the wearer keeps it strapped to their wrist after inputting the passcode. The watch locks again after it’s removed from the wrist.
The fact that the Sabah report mentions a fingerprint sensor on the Apple Watch is enough reason to doubt the story, but there’s more.
The Sabah report says the audio recording was sent to Khashoggi’s iPhone from his Apple Watch. But earlier reports said Khashoggi left his iPhone with his fiancee outside the Saudi Consulate where the attack allegedly took place. The Apple Watch needs a Bluetooth connection to send data to the iPhone it’s paired with, and it would be next to impossible for Khashoggi’s watch to maintain that Bluetooth connection if it was outside the consulate.
The report also says the audio recordings were uploaded to Khashoggi’s iCloud account, but that’s unlikely unless his watch had a connection to the internet without his phone.
Some observers have pointed to photos of Khashoggi wearing a version of the Apple Watch that can connect to cellular data networks. But that model of the Apple Watch is incompatible with cellular networks in Turkey, according to Apple’s own carrier list, and the audio files could’ve been uploaded that way.
It is possible Khashoggi’s watch could have connected his watch to the internet over the consulate’s Wi-Fi network. However, that would mean Khashoggi would have had to connect his watch to the consulate’s Wi-Fi during a previous visit. That way, his watch would’ve automatically connected to the consulate’s Wi-Fi when he entered the building on the day of his alleged killing.
If Khashoggi hadn’t connected his watch to the consulate’s Wi-Fi network during a previous visit, the only other way he could have connected to it would be if he had time to input the password into his watch face moments after he walked into the consulate. The latest watch software from Apple, watchOS 5, was released a few weeks ago and allows users to manually input Wi-Fi passwords by using the device’s “Scribble” feature, which lets users draw characters on the screen to input text. It’s unlikely Khashoggi would have had time to do that if he was under attack.
Then there’s the question of what app Khashoggi could have used to record from his Apple Watch. Apple does not ship the Apple Watch with a recording app, but there are several third-party apps that enable audio recording on the watch.
But Apple’s privacy rules require third-party recording apps to display a red indicator on the watch’s screen while it’s recording audio, so anyone who looked at the watch would know they were being recorded….
CogitoErgoSum says
Well, I think it’s obvious that the Turks are not going to admit that they have listening devices hidden all over the Saudi consulate …. (and most likely the consulates of other countries as well).
Mac-101 says
Or that the SA Intel is full of Muslim Brotherhood agents, or he had a major wire up his butt. Possible Audio, no video though! You are most likely correct, The Saudis relied on the CIA to sweep the consulate, we ALL know we can trust them ,ya!
christianblood says
With the help and guidance of the US and the West, Saudi are killing thousands of Shiites, mostly women and children in Yemen, you wonder why the world is focused this one man they murdered in Turkey?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/middleeast/us-saudi-yemen-bus-strike-intl/index.html
Wellington says
Well, it’s no surprise you, christianblood, would wonder such.
Again you reveal that your main agenda here at JW is not the taking on of Islam as a whole—your pathetic and inept “Shiite good” and “Sunni bad” paradigm became a very tired one long ago.
Rather, you are not first and foremost interested in what Islam, whether Sunni or Shiite, intends for all of us kuffaars, but instead in promoting the position of Russia on backing the wonderful Shiite Islamic world against the awful Sunni Islamic world (e.g., per your own words here at JW, “God bless Hezbollah”).
Let me put it another way, direct like. If I were interested in disseminating Russia propaganda about the West and Holy Mother Russia—you know, America bad, NATO a threat to Russia, the annexation of the Crimea by Russia just a wonderful event, blah, blah, blah, I would not go about it the way you have by extolling Shiite Islam over Sunni Islam. In brief, I would have fired you long ago were you on any payroll of mine.
All of Islam is rotten, christianblood, whether Sunni or Shiite. The fact that, temporarily, Russia supports the Shiite world, and the West a portion of the Sunni world, is of little significance in the long run since ALL of Islam is a problem. While many Americans like myself have admitted this, exposed this, detailed this, countless times over, you still pathetically stick to the “Shiite good”/”Sunni bad” “explanation.”
Notice, christianblood, that so many of us who post here at JW, who are residents of a Western nation, regularly criticize Western nations for sucking up to Islam—and we have criticized our own nations for many other matters (e.g., how awful the EU is, how ridiculous the Democratic Party of the US has become, or how foolish Trudeau of Canada has been). When have you EVER criticized Russia or Putin for anything, even to the extent of being a rank apologist for Shiite Islam v. Sunni Islam, even though the Shiite regime of Iran, hated by millions of its own citizens, is the ONLY country on the planet calling for the extinction of another country, Israel?
Truly, christianblood, in my eyes you have lost ALL credibility. I strongly suspect this is the case with many other regular posters here at JW.
gravenimage says
So true, Wellington.
Wellington says
I can only hope, gravenimage, that christianblood does not provide us with another highly tendentious video which has as its aim the excoriation of America or the promotion of how wonderful Holy Mother Russia is under Putin.
While I certainly don’t mind a link to a video or article here or there at JW in order to substantiate one’s point, I am of the conviction that a person should argue with their own words most of the time. Links to videos and articles are, so often, yet another example of the increasing incapacity in our age for one to put forward a cogent argument of one’s own.
gravenimage says
Or even worse, Wellington, another video lauding the savagery of Hizb’allah.
And I generally agree with you re video links in general–although they can be useful at times, they should not replace a reasoned argument in most cases.
christianblood says
Wellinton
Why are you so obsessed with Russia???
The point in my comment above was to point out that Saudis, with the help of the US and the West, killed tens of thousands of Yemenis and yet the whole world is talking about this one single Saudi man murdered by the Saudis in Turkey! Do you seen my point?
gravenimage says
Wellington is not obsessed with Russia–he was referring to christianblood’s constant apologia for Russia and Putin.
This is, indeed, why he is now lauding the horrors of Iran and Hizb’allah–because Putin is now playing footsie with them.
At least I *hope* this is why he is doing this–if it is just because he loves attacks on Israel, hanging gay people from cranes, and stoning women, then it is even worse.
And now he is demanding that we spend more time lamenting Houthi Jihadists in Yemen–again–one assumes–because Russia is throwing in with them in yet another regional power play.
christianblood says
gravenimage
My comment above was nothing to do with Russia, Graven!
gravenimage says
If this has nothing to do with Russia, then–as I noted–christianblood is simply lauding Jihadists because he agrees with their savagery, which is *many times worse*.
christianblood says
gravenimage
I laud no jihadists, Graven! In my comment above, I pointed out the fact that Saudis are, with the help of the US and the West killing Yemenis in their thousands and yet the world is outraged by this single Saudi journalist murdered by the Saudis. Do call that ‘lauding’ jihadists?
gravenimage says
christianblood regularly lauds Iran and Hizb’allah, and sneers at Americans killed by the Taliban. These are indeed Jihadists.
And, as I noted–Muslims have been slaughtering other-sect Muslims for centuries now, There is, sadly, nothing at all new about this.
Yes, I mourn the children murdered by Muslims there. Alas, this has been done by both sects in the region:
“Houthis killed 9,646 civilians, including 903 children”
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1014361/middle-east
They are all Islamic barbarians.
J D S says
Not a friend of America but a friend of Osama bin Ladin and Following……so he is dead..so what?? Why Is the U.S. interested anyway..worked for the Washington Post ..no friend of the U.S. either.
What the U.S. really needs to be concentrating on is the influx of any and all Muslims into a country founded on CHRISTIAN principles..NOT Islamic principles..God and Christian principles can be found throughout our Constitution and NO Islamic principles are in our Constitution therefore we should be putting our most profound efforts to destroy the principles of Islam…Murder, sexual derivation, rape, slavery, robbery , lying and on and on it goes…and all of this is found in their written and spoken word and are considered legal by all muslims…. Now ask …Do we want any of these things legalized in our great country???
….One other thing…From what Christian blood posted How does he stand on Islam?
Richard says
christianblood raises a valid point. Wellington’s lengthy ramble about Russia, doesn’t address the point that the Saudi’s are killing thousands of Shiites, mostly women and children in Yemen, with mainly US help. Women and children, whether Sunni or Shiite, are still human beings and their massacre has to be deplored by fellow humans, if not by so-called Christians. If Islam is so bad as Wellington claims, both Sunni and Shiite, then why is the US arming the primary state exporting Sunni ideology and terror, with billions of dollars of modern weapons?
gravenimage says
Richard, Wellington noted that none of these Muslim factions are any good, and has many times criticized the US foolishly considering Saudi Arabia to be ally.
I do the same–we should not be selling arms to the vicious Saudis, or to any Islamic faction.
Richard says
You do not support the US arming Saudi Arabia. What about the US (and other western powers for that matter) supporting Kosovo and Bosnian Muslims against the Serbs?
gravenimage says
Of course I have not supported Kosovo and Bosnia in their Jihad against the Serbs. When have I ever said any such thing?
christianblood says
Richard posted
(… Wellington’s lengthy ramble about Russia, doesn’t address the point that the Saudi’s are killing thousands of Shiites, mostly women and children in Yemen, with mainly US help…If Islam is so bad as Wellington claims, both Sunni and Shiite, then why is the US arming the primary state exporting Sunni ideology and terror, with billions of dollars of modern weapons?…)
Very good point, Richard! Let us see what Wellington says!
Richard says
The Russians were the only people who supported the Serbs. The US bombed the hell out of them causing them to lose the war. Leaving that area with the problem they have now. I was incensed with the western response. A long time ago I was kicked out of Jihad Watch. I think I was Rich then.
gravenimage says
Spot on, CogitoErgoSum.
christianblood says
Saudi Arabia has been bombing and starving Yemen for years now with full US-UK support and total impunity, killing thousands of Shiite civilians, including scores of kids, but it is the disappearance of one Washington Post columnist that triggers outrage and condemnation from the media. It is an immoral world where power and money rule the day!
Wellington says
Christianblood: See my 7:49 P.M. post above. Do so.
gravenimage says
Muslims are always slaughtering each other–as well as Infidels.
And christianblood is someone who regularly prays for the conquest of the West by Muslims.
gravenimage says
I see that christianblood is cheering on the Houthis and even the Taliban here. Why does he even pretend to be an Anti-Jihadist at this point?
And no–the Taliban is not American. It is entirely Islamic.
christianblood says
gravenimage
No cheering, just pointing out the hard FACTS that you so obviously hate!
gravenimage says
How is laughing at Infidels unable to defeat Jihadists not cheering them on?
Never mind that Russia has the same problems with Muslims *on their own soil*, and has now allowed a Shari’ah state within Russia itself.
God knows I am not cheering this–I am horrified and saddened, and afraid for the Russian people.
More and more, christianblood is celebrating Jihadists defeating Infidels. He has, as I’ve noted, said how much he looks forward to Muslims conquering the “fag” West.
jule says
I have seen video of Iranian Imams visiting Russian Orthodox Christian Churches, preaching that in their old prophecies of the coming victory over the world, Russian Christians are their equal partners. If you believe any of that rubbish, its a sad sad day. Shia Prophecy? Really. I do not think Putin could ever believe them but figures he can work them like he does Chechnya without too much trouble. The word assassin came from the first Shia Jihadis, using hash before their bloodbaths and were called Hashassins…which later became assassin. All Islam, all who follow the Qur’an are just following the Warlord manual for Conquering and Control (especially of their own little people who can be the army for them) Controlled by fear and terror of Allah & Government punishments. All Islam everywhere. But PS….I do think the Ukraine thing was USA, NED/Victoria Nuland/McCain/Soros/chevron/agribusiness Fault. And Russian Crimea does belong to Russia as it did before Krushchev attached it to Ukraine for convenience 1954 or so. It was a big mistake of USA to oust Yanukovich for that Kiev Gov just to agree to join EU with US running exports. That is what I got from research. I could not figure out why Obama was so POd & I thought, why don’t I follow the money? Then I discovered ALL this going on by us in Ukraine since 1993 or so. I was astounded. (it was very much like when US stole Hawaii for Ag and the Navy Port accept this time Russian people in East and Russia blocked us. ) But Islam is a total snake pit and no one can trust any kind or style. Read their Qur’an.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Houthis are not jihadists but local Shiite militia defending themselves against the allies of evil which consists of: Saudi Arabia, UAE, US, UK, France, ISIS and Al-Qaeda!
Mac-101 says
Jule, Good summation!
gravenimage says
The Houthis are just more Muslims trying to seize power in some Islamic crap hole–in this case, Yemen.
Their official name is “Ansar Allah”–“Supporters of Allah”.
Their slogan is, “God is great, death to the US, death to Israel, curse the Jews, and victory for Islam”.
The idea that this has nothing to do with Jihad is just laughable.
Those Jihadists opposing them are no better, of course.
gravenimage says
Good post, Jule.
jule says
Yes, Houthies used to have a point as they were put on by US/Saudi fracking there and using the Port and by Saudi allowing alQaeda to take over the south of Yemen and all their corrupt leaders but to take Iran in was a big mistake. Iran needs to be contained (at least) with Hezbollah, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya, Nigeria, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Qatar, Syria….blaa blaa….All Islam everywhere and in Europe now, Canada! and Us! everywhere it exists.
christianblood says
Jule
Great points, Jule!
PRCS says
Hmm. Hmm.
Oh, what a tangled web.
A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
jule says
But are Muslim Bros/alQaeda/Nusra/Qatar/Turkey now working with Iran too, just all so hateful to Saudi that would do anything to bring them down? I just don’t know. They are all so poisonous and they all jail/torture/kill their own people often. Look at the Afghanistan polis we were working with who was just killed in Khandahar. He was known as the the Torturer in Chief and he was our partner. Our General meeting with him escaped death but some of ours were wounded. I with we would have ZERO to do with any Muslim country and take in Zero Muslim immigrants and never allow Mosque where that horror story of the Qur’an is read with all its bigoted, kill Jews, kill Infidels and BELIEVE its all for Allah and every word is for TODAY. All Muslim countries following the Quran Warlord manual should be avoided at all cost.
gravenimage says
Even though they are both majority-Sunni, Turkey and Saudi Arabia have been at loggerheads for centuries.
Turkey is also shifting their alliances right now, in a general struggle for regional power–more toward Russia and Iran.
jule says
Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, Qatar, Muslim Bros, al Qaeda etc.
AnneM04031959 says
The Turks are not to be trusted.
Walter Sieruk says
This is all very interesting. For since Khasoggi was an anti -American pro-jihad Muslim as well as a good friend of the the Muslim terrorist chief ,Osama bin Laden . How much of a chance is it that the he did have too much inside information on any possible link between Saudi Arabia , and al Qaeda and the murderous affronts against humankind and affront against the USA which occurred on September 11, 2001. ?
Could it also be that khashoggi knew too much much about many high ranking government men and other oil rich men who are citizens of Saudi Arabia who may have known about the murderous jihad intentions of bin Laden against Americans and America as still willingly funded and supported and funded the Islamic villain Osama bib Laden and his vicious jihad terror network ,al Qaeda ?
Could it be then the Saudi government officials were afraid that Khashoggi might let some information be made known. As he might brag and thus “spill the beans ” So his murder was felt to be needed to hide much information about the Saudi involvement on 9//11., So Khashoggi was eliminated ?
Let’s stay tuned in to see how this all unfolds.
RonaldB says
The problem with that conjecture is that Khashoggi, not being a complete idiot, would have documented the information he knew, and left it with a trusted keeper with instructions “Open and disseminate in the case of my death.”
Walter Sieruk says
To RonaldB, you keyboarded a good point, Nevertheless, the report of the torture of Khashoggi . In contrast to just the quick killing of him . What happened to him leads to yet more conjecture. Was Khashoggi tortured to obtain the information as to where his trusted keeper with instructions ‘Open and disseminate in the case of my death.’ ” was living or hiding ? Than again, i don’t pretend to know the answers to all this .Do you ?
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Ginny says
How about US and Israeli involvement in the 9/11/01 attacks? Now that would be embarrassing, wouldn’t it. Considering current discussions of military tribunals for traitors in high places, I would expect some “silencing”to be going on right now. The horrific and well-publicized fate of this journalist may well have been meant as a clear message to anyone capable of ratting on big-time perps?
gravenimage says
I see we have another moronic “Truther” here, claiming that 9/11 was done by the Americans and the Jews to make the poor Muslims look bad. Good God…
jule says
US – Israel involvement in 9/11??? That is some made up story for motives of another agenda of some kind of hate….it almost sounds like it came from Muslim Bro propaganda.
Rob Crawford says
Where is the Saudi admission, outside reports saying “it’s coming”?
David M says
Yes, I’m in Australia & all we have had on Australian news is complete denials from the Saudis about the whole thing.
RonaldB says
“If Khashoggi hadn’t connected his watch to the consulate’s Wi-Fi network during a previous visit, the only other way he could have connected to it would be if he had time to input the password into his watch face moments after he walked into the consulate. ”
Unconvincing argument. Khashogi obviously knew he would be in danger inside the embassy. He would have connected his watch or other device to the embassy network from outside, prior to entering. Also, for the argument the watch would show that it was recording. You’re assuming the assassins would be keeping track of small details like that. Truthfully, none of them seem very bright. The crown prince obviously didn’t anticipate the type of blowback he’s getting. On the other hand, if the Western governments drop the ball, he could very well have been correct in his calculations.
As far as Khasogi being an enemy of the US, of course he was. The Saudis and the Muslim Brotherhood are in competition to subvert our social fabric. But, that doesn’t mean we should tolerate the murder of someone under our protection.
Incidentally, what the Saudis hold over us is they hold hundreds of billions of dollars in US Treasury bonds. If they should cash in those bonds, the US would have to either default, or print billions of actual dollars to redeem them, which would flood the world with dollars, deflate them, and likely raise the interest rates for borrowing.
The US makes itself vulnerable to tin-pot oil dictatorships by deficit spending.
gravenimage says
True, Ronald. We should not make ourselves vulnerable to hostile foreign entities, and Muslim ones least of all.
“Saudi Arabia owns (at least) $166.8 billion in US debt”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/investing/saudi-arabia-us-debt-jamal-khashoggi/index.html
klartext77 says
Jamal #Khashoggi Was a Victim of Saudi Terror. He Was Also a Keen Supporter of Palestinian Terrorism
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-khashoggi-was-a-victim-of-saudi-terror-and-a-supporter-of-palestinian-terrorism-1.6571267
gravenimage says
+1
gravenimage says
The Saudis have admitted killing him. But the Turks claims’ about the circumstances of the killing cannot be taken at face value. The Turks and the Saudis are rivals for leadership of the Sunni Islamic world, and so both have an interest in dissembling about what happened here and exploiting Khashoggi’s death for their own ends.
Khashoggi, of course, was an anti-American, pro-jihad friend of Osama bin Laden who was — tellingly — hired by the Washington Post. His positions are a separate question from that of the circumstances of the murder.
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Well, this sums up the whole ugly mess.
God, I hate Islam.
Hari Singh says
The Hanafi Turks and Wahabbi Saudis have been at odds for almost two hundred years.
In wars between the two many have been killed. The Turks once held the Holy cities of Mecca & Medina. They both consider each other infidels and permissible to kill . The Wahabbis consider Turks infidels for the widespread influence of Sufism in their Islam. The Turks because the Wahabbis ignore most of sound traditions and insult the Walis or saints.
The Turks consider that Allah sends the prophets to the worst people, at first it was the Jews then the Arabs surpassed them in evil so Muhammad came to restate religion and teach the essence of religion or adab to uplift the degenerate Arabs.
Allah took away the leadership of the Muslim nation away from the Arabs and gave it to the Turks. Sign of this is that the banner-flag of the Prophet Muhammad is in Istanbul in the Totakapi Museum.
jule says
Qur’an is a warlord manual for conquest and total control from 600AD. Its worse than the Mafia. It is a gang. who ever holds it their hands tries to rule the world.
warmac9999 says
As far as I can tell, the only reason that this is a big deal is the Washington Post. Nobody should be surprised that the Saudis killed an enemy – torture and murder has been a Islamic staple for centuries. Khashoggi thought himself immune. He learned in the last few minutes of life that he wasn’t. Obama willingly paid off the murderous Iranians and freed Islamic killers for Bergdahl. Trump is confronted with a rock and a hard place. Nothing he does will resonate positively with the left so he might just as well take the Saudi money for the US economy and issue a strongly worded condemnation.
jule says
And Turkey does it all the time as does every Muslim country. Yes, every one of them. And even this Democrat can see it clearly from one read of the Qur’an.
Mac-101 says
Jule, how can you be a Democrat today? Your ME posts are right on. You can’t see that THEY are totally owned by the Tech Billionaires, Crony Corporate Fascist and lastly the International Banksters?
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The RePugs are NOT much better and BOTH belong to the Uni-Party, but at least the RePugs supposedly are for American values. The Globalist own them ALL and we will definitely suffer once THEY destroy America and ram THEIR Globalist agenda down our throats next time they have Total power.
jule says
Actually I guess I am nothing a the moment. 1993 or so I protested with Dems AGAINST NAFTA/WTO. Republicans wanted it. I protected in Occupy against what Banks and Wall Street did with the upcoming GlobalOrder. We protested high home prices yearly home rental process (that is a numbskul logic because for real ‘How high can we go?”) the Nightmare of extreme ALL Private with no public is like the old Monarchy with serfs. Most of Human life is not a business and private business RUINED hospital costs, drug costs, medical equipment costs.People cannot handle this system because of their own corruption, greed, rationalizations,excuses, plain out and out corruption and everyone DOES DO IT. Racsim is a sickness.
But now neo Dems since Carter and all Repubs since Spanish American War and gabbing up ports and bases all over the world (which now neo Dems do as well FOR PROFIT) Its all sick. Corporations OWN Washington today. Washington is now Private because mainly of Repubs and the way they do business.I hate them. I have only one serious issue……if Dems remain accumulating Muslims, Mosques and pretending they are just such a nice religion, and constructing Global Order…I will vote Republican. Because everything else we can repair (accept dead people from no health care) but Islam will doom us beyond any repair. Thats a NO NO NO. Thats the bottom line.
Mac-101 says
Jule, once again I can NOT argue with your post. However, the Democrats have proven they are owned totally by the Uni-Party and their Fairy godmother Soros. The Affordable Health Care act proved that along with the Bail Outs. How many Millions did the Donkeys and Rinos make off investing in Big Pharma and Health Insurance companies, Piglosie, Feinstein, Reid and McConnell and many others?
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Please vote RePug now, even for the Biggest Rino. Hopefully we can Primary the out next Primary. The Big Tech have proven that the model for the Globalist NWO WILL be Red China and their Social Score and complete control of ALL info.
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The support of Muslim Immigration by both Parties is undeniable. However Trump, even with his Saudi connections has done ALL he can to throttle it back. Backstabbed by the Rinos and Faux Conservatives and blocked by the Donkeys.
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Trump along with his son in law have very troubling connections with Soros in the past. However, he has accomplished much more than I ever thought a President could without gittin Heart Attacked, Stroked Out, Planed, acccidented or just plain JFK. He may very well be a Judas Goat leadin us up the Slaughter chute.
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However he is the last Earthily Hope we have before THEY destroy America and implement Satan’s NWO. It sure ain’t goin to be Purdy!
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So please support Trump and the RePugs this election. If McConnell was runin this time I’d have to hold my nose and vote for that scumbag. This is NO time to make a protest vote!
jule says
Unless we got rid of the Electoral college, my vote means nothing for Presidential.
Mac-101 says
Jule, Please cast it anyways. Take some like minded people to the poles also.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr spencer, with or without the recording from kassoogi’S wristwatch, idiot saudi stooges of armed robber evil United States have confirmed that Mr kassoogi died inside their consolate, which they said resulted from interrogation.so,the question of rivalry between two sunni nations Turkey and evil Saudi monarchs will not even arise. That sinister agenda of mithraist christian west headed by treacherous evil United States for Muslims to among themselves is now dead. Pakistan made it boldly clear that it will no longer fight proxy war for evil United States against sister muslim nation. Egypt said the same thing.wicked scums of evils!!
gravenimage says
Wait–Muslims are murdering each other, and Ibrahim itace muhammed says that civilized Infidels are “sinister”? *Ugh*.
FYI says
“consolate” {sic}
No, I don’t think it was a consoling environment….and there is nothing consoling about islam alas,especially since allah does not permit final penitence for muslims which means muslims cannot be certain allah will spare them.
“The forgiveness is not for those who do ill-deeds until,when death attendeth upon one of them,he saith:Lo! I repent now”
koran 4 v 18
That’s something isis and jihadis don’t get:according to koran 4:18,a suicide bomber cannot be absolutely certain allah will spare them.
Do they not do an “ill-deed” when they do the evil they do?Most likely they do NOT repent of their evil,wrongly imagining that allah will reward them anyway.So “the forgiveness is not for those who do ill-deeds”;on that basis,no jihadist or muslim terrorist can presume allah will spare them.
There is no consolation in islam……but there is in the True Judeo-Christian Biblical God{along with the merciful option of final penitence and salvation for the repentant…}
gravenimage says
+1
jule says
The question has to do with Muslim Bros. al Jazeera types with complications of many other Muslim countries
Arthur says
Islam leads to the destruction of everyone it touches, particularly its followers. It’s just sad sad sad. Like a spiritual black hole that consumes everything until there is nothing.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Arthur.
Jayell says
What else should anyone expect from what is no more nor less than something that was deliberately concocted as a major public-relations fraud by a psychopathic criminal in order to advance his twisted megalomaniac political ambitions? Just stop calling it a ‘religion’.
jule says
Thats exactly it!
Sam says
The Saudi behavior takes us back when the Prophet of Islam faced his critical foes. Some of them Murdered by the Prophet smacks of his hand in the killings of Kab b. al-Ashr, Abu Jabal, and others. Perhaps Roberts’ underlying thought juxtaposes both the current Saudi behavior with its prophet then. Muhammad had sociopathic tendencies- after all killing your opponents without remorse is tantamount to sociopathic behavior. And, Turkey, its’ lying behavior implies taqiyya- there is purpose for this “disinformation” the ultimate hegemony of Islam as Robert suggests. The power play of the Saudi Monarchy and Khashoggi demise increases this intrigue…
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Sam, was your satan god you call Holy Spirit in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods of evils criticised when he commanded the extermination of some races in Samuel 15:3 and inspired mithraist christians to commit genocide during crusade wars and extermination of the original inhabitants of Americas by white mithraist christians?
gravenimage says
More babbling from Ibrahim itace muhammed.
duh swami says
As usual, the Devil is in the details…How long does it actually take to cut and saw a complete human being into suitcase size pieces?
What about intestines, organs and quarts of blood?
Who cleaned up the bloody mess? Where did the 15 executioners take the body pieces? Did they board a plane with suitcases leaking blood?
Looks like a sharia execution to me…They are supposed to hurt…
Warring with Allah and spreading mischief in the land, calls for amputations and death…Allah willing, and he always is…
jule says
I think I head the employee cleaners were Turkish nationals. I’d have to check.
Sam says
Here we go. We have in this case an evil muslim dictator Erdogan, stealth Jihadist Khashoggi and the evil Saudi government.
A good opportunity for liberals to blame Trump and USA.
Hector Archytas says
Verse: 8:12
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/saudi-journalist-khashoggi-decapitated-after-fingers-cut-off-reports-137960