This is hardly reassuring.
Deradicalization programs, upon which the West has placed so much hope, have long been an obvious failure. Such programs are based on the premise that the true teachings of Islam are peaceful, and so all that needs to be done is show the jihadis how they’re misunderstanding the Qur’an and overlooking its teachings of peace, and all will be well. But since the Qur’an and Sunnah are full of commands to make war against and subjugate unbelievers, the idea that jihadis can be “deradicalized” by reference to them is just a myth told to Infidel authorities to lull them into complacency.
Well, let’s see. Deradicalization programs have been implemented elsewhere, notably in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Let’s look at how they fared. From the Jihad Watch archives:
Gitmo prisoner reveals: Saudi “deradicalization program” is really a jihad training program
11 ex-Gitmo prisoners flee the Saudi “rehabilitation program” and join up with terrorist groups
Jaw-dropper: 25 former Gitmo detainees “return to militancy” despite Saudi rehab program!
Flight 253 jihadist wasn’t cured by Saudi anti-jihad art therapy
Former Guantanamo detainee now top al-Qaeda ideologue — “He was transferred to Saudi Arabia in 2006 where he was placed in a national rehabilitation project.”
Indonesian government admits that its jihadist rehab program is a failure
Malaysia: Muslim cleric active in deradicalization program promotes hatred of non-Muslims
France’s only jihadi “deradicalization” center is closing — it was voluntary, and it was empty
“Hate preacher Anjem Choudary must go on anti‑extremism course,” by Fiona Hamilton and Richard Ford, The Times, October 29 2018:
The convicted hate preacher Anjem Choudary is among extremists and Islamic State fighters to undergo Britain’s first compulsory deradicalisation programme, The Times has learnt.
When Choudary, 51, was released from prison on October 19, halfway through his sentence for supporting Isis, he was ordered to attend the desistance and disengagement programme (DDP) as part of his probation.
The course requires him to receive mentoring and theological “advice” and is the government’s latest attempt to combat the heightened terrorism threat.
Convicted extremists are being freed from prison at a rate of one a week and more than 40 per cent of those found guilty of terrorism offences in the past decade will be eligible for release by the end of the year….
EVILSPEAK says
The more you tell somebody not to do something………..
mortimer says
Robert Spencer is correct, because the PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS do teach JIHAD-TERRORISM against disbelievers. No one who read the source texts will say they do not teach it. Factual deprogramming is the only method which will destroy the IDEOLOGY of JIHADISM. The only effective way is to DECONSTRUCT MOHAMMED and DECONSTRUCT THE PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS … a lengthy intellectual process, yet it is the only one that works. Muslims who can no longer believe the Koran is divine, will no longer conduct jihad. This method is called ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING.
Deprogramming Jihadists Using the Geographical Argument
“Absolute Deprogramming” right out of Islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ611NSxfCk
mortimer says
Deprogramming Jihadists Using the ‘Backwardness’ Argument
Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (PolySci) (English subtitles)
Absolute Deprogramming removes belief in Islam …
https://youtu.be/hFWDaOM8iuE
FYI says
If you really want to deprogram such muslims….this’ll mess with their islamic minds..
#1 Tell them to read the koran 10:94 and follow allah’s advice given to muhammed{That if in doubt ,then “question those who read the scripture that was before thee” i.e the BIBLE}
#2 Remind them that allah claims to be the author of the Bible {koran 3:3}
#3 Explain that they are OBLIGED to follow “that which allah hath revealed”…..That includes the Bible since allah claims he wrote it
{koran 5:47}
#4 See if they can find Exodus 20 v 1-16:God’s official commandments,read them carefully..see if they can understand the concept of actually OBEYING them{and not allah’s commandment-violating teachings of the koran which permit muslims to get away with breaking them}
#5 see if they can explain WHY allah in his koran DISAGREES with these Exodus20 Laws{The Bible agrees with them} and tells muslims they can break them and HOW come muslims think they can get away with violating them:Jews and christians understand these to be God’s Laws?
#6Can they figure out that the allah of the koran is NOT the Biblical God?
Either ..
allah is = the Biblical God{and he clearly isn’t}
OR
allah is NOT=the Biblical God{which is clearly the case}
If No{most likely..}They’ll stay deceived by allah{“The best of deceivers” koran 3:54}They are not smart enough to figure it out!
And it is really because{2 Thess 2 v 10-11}”..they do not welcome and love the truth enough to be saved and so God sends the power of error to work in them so that they believe what is false”
If Yes{least likely}…then they might consider leaving islam…as many moslems have done..
mortimer says
Agree with FYI: the “Confirmation of Previous Scriptures by the Koran” is a very devastating argument. The author of the Koran certainly DID NOT KNOW what was in the Hebrew scriptures and New Testament. But the Koran endorses both, while contradicting the MAJORITY of the doctrines within both. This is proof of the human origin of the Koran. An omniscient deity would already know what he had previously sent to Moses, David, Jesus, etc. The Koran’s author does not even know the ‘eternal name’ of the Old Testament deity.
mortimer says
Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (English) – Islam & Mafia Pt. 1 – Ep 01 (1-2)
Deprogramming Jihadists Using Historical-Ethical Argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YQoPhBgDD0&list=PLVgxTVb0qbJO4VF7CXROHvZcqDftk5TQV
neil barker says
Anjem Choudary can never be re-programmed, I suggest removing his hard drive.
mummymovie says
Ha! What a joke!
‘A Clockwork Orange’-type therapy, maybe…. but short of that, forget about it!
Government money and resources will be MUCH better spent elsewhere.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
//Anjem Choudary can never be re-programmed, I suggest removing his hard drive//
Could not agree with you more. I have seen him on tv ( bbc). AIYO. I have no words to describe how lethal & bumptious he is. Stephen Sackur ( Hard Talk ) was completely overpowered browbeaten by this obnoxious jihadist. In a way I was gratified to see Stephen Sackur being silenced. All of these bbc folks abhor Israel. Their hatred for Israel is matched by their love for palestinians , hamas & various jihadists. Ditto with us Hindus.
In India bbc idiot reporters adore leftists , muslims in short all those inimical to us endangered species called Hindus.
I read a detailed ( truly extensive) report by some Englishman who interviewed anjem chowdury & various jihadists belonging to salafi etc. I don’t have that link. It was extremely chilling to read anjem ch’s replies & threats. I recall he was ”sipping Vietnamese coffee” looked very obese in that photo.
Why this fatal desire to ”deradicalize” ?
All of bbc folks hate Trump also. Beware.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
Robert Spencer is correct, because the PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS do teach JIHAD-TERRORISM against disbelievers. No one who read the source texts will say they do not teach it. Factual deprogramming is the only method which will destroy the IDEOLOGY of JIHADISM.
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Mortimer–with all respect–the idea that if you teach Muslims the primary source texts of Islam that they will leave all that creed makes no sense. Most Muslims who wage violent Jihad do not do so because they know nothing about Islam, but because they know all about it.
More:
The only effective way is to DECONSTRUCT MOHAMMED and DECONSTRUCT THE PRIMARY SOURCE TEXTS … a lengthy intellectual process, yet it is the only one that works. Muslims who can no longer believe the Koran is divine, will no longer conduct jihad. This method is called ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING.
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Pious Muslims don’t believe that anyone has the right to question Islam–why would they listen to the filthy Infidels telling them to do so?
And when has this *ever* worked? Just claiming that it works with no proof is not, unfortunately, a reasoned argument.
I know you are angered when anyone asks about this, but it is actually important.
More:
Deprogramming Jihadists Using the Geographical Argument
“Absolute Deprogramming” right out of Islam.
…………………………
Wait–I thought this was called “factual deprogramming” or “absolute deprogramming”? Now it’s the “Geographical Argument”?
Muslims believe that the model of Muhammed is good for all time, and not just in dark ages Arabia.
More:
Deprogramming Jihadists Using the ‘Backwardness’ Argument
Box of Islam by Hamed Abdel Samad (PolySci) (English subtitles)
Absolute Deprogramming removes belief in Islam …
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Now it’s the “Backwardness Argument”?
And where has Hamed Abdel Samad–an apostate I respect a great deal–ever said that his purpose is “deprogramming” Muslims?
Why would Muslims listen to an apostate like Hamed Abdel Samad? Pious Muslims *hate* apostates, and often try to murder them. That is the case with this brave man. And he talks about the model of Muhammed being a roadblock to Muslims living in peace with the rest of the world–but, unfortunately, most Muslims do not have this goal to begin with. Instead, they want to conquer the rest of the world.
More, replying to FYI:
Agree with FYI: the “Confirmation of Previous Scriptures by the Koran” is a very devastating argument. The author of the Koran certainly DID NOT KNOW what was in the Hebrew scriptures and New Testament. But the Koran endorses both, while contradicting the MAJORITY of the doctrines within both. This is proof of the human origin of the Koran. An omniscient deity would already know what he had previously sent to Moses, David, Jesus, etc. The Koran’s author does not even know the ‘eternal name’ of the Old Testament deity.
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Alas, Muslims have an answer for this–they claim that the “Torat” (Torah) and “Injeel” (Gospels) have been corrupted by Jews and Christians, and were originally just as savage as the vicious Qur’an.
There is, of course, no evidence for this historically or archaeologically–but Muslims do not really care about such rational arguments. They only care about what is in their ugly “holy book”.
Andy says
Jail Anjem Billboard Van in London!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcOgfXhIXvg
Rufolino says
Funniest headline I’ve seen this year. Like sending the Pope to Methodist classes.
Krishna says
deradicalizing anjem choudary by telling Islam is religion of peace is pointless becuase he got the real message of Islam so his view of Islam can’t be changed and only way he can deradicalize himself is by leaving Islam
Jaladhi says
…like that is going to do any good to this devout Muslim!! Delusional Western apologists in concert with taqiyya toting Muslims are responsible to spread this fantasy of success of “deradicalisation” programs!
Peter Buckley says
According to “counter extremism sources”, Choudary has already refused to take part in “de-radicalisation courses”, so it’s likely he’ll do the same now:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45911160
In fact, if Western governments were clued up on the true nature of Islam, they would use people such as Choudary to prove to “moderate muslims” that he is a much better muslim than they are. In other words “shame them out of Islam”. This is already happening of course, but mainly due to education and the Internet. People like Choudary are in fact a gift, but only if you know how to use them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTkDCBqCLrM
Instead, because they don’t understand how Islam works, they will continue to try to “keep a lid on it”, when in fact they should blow the lid off and allow the truth to come out.
mortimer says
Agree with PB: Choudary is a ‘better Muslim’, because he understands the mandate of Islam to be aggressive.
The only technique that will work on him is to reveal to him the latest archeological proof that Islam is false, i.e. the geography of Mecca and the four qiblas and the latest internal evidence in the hadiths and Koran which show human interventions and prove stories were written in Persia two hundred years later and redacted back to Arabia. .
gravenimage says
Now only archaeology will “deprogram” Choudary? Good luck, Mortimer…
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
Social Suicide. Sacrificing the many for the few.
Georg says
Well put.
Michael Copeland says
Obviously the British taxpayer is funding this fatuous “course”.
Who is conducting it? Imams? The same ones who advise Theresa May?
More jizya – yet another way of transferring kaffir money to the supremacists..
PRCS says
Shhhh!
You’re not supposed to say that—over there!
mortimer says
The only Muslims who should involved in deprogramming are ex-Muslims.
gravenimage says
And why would Muslims listen to apostates? Pious Muslims hate apostates and believe they should be killed.
You will also have a hard time finding enough Muslim apostates to conduct these courses–especially considering the incredible danger involved.
Choudary even thinks that Muslims who vote are apostates:
“Anjem Choudary claims all Muslim MPs and voters are ‘apostates’ sinning against Islam”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/anjem-choudary-claims-all-muslim-mps-and-voters-are-apostates-sinning-against-islam-10195534.html
gravenimage says
Good questions, Michael.
Hector Archytas says
I would prefere the catholic inquisition back and a force program of christianization. I am sure the chance of conversion would reach 50% as during the enforcement of Spanish inquisition on Morisco.
I am myself a deist. Deism is not for those peoples.
It would also be easier to evaluate any transformation..
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
I’d like to say something that will probably get condemnation. But on some level I actually had a modicum of respect for the man, Choudary. At least he had the guts to be honest about his contempt and jihad aspirations like few other muslims ever would. There was nothing especially “radical” about him, he was only saying publicly what the majority of muslims believe and what islam teaches. It’s seriously misguided I think for the government to resort to “deradicalization programs” for muslims like Choudary, it’s like using a band aid when what you need is a tourniquet. What about the other 3 million muslims in Britain, are they also going to be “deprogrammed”? Oh, if they only could!
The government would have us believe that Choudary was some kind of exception to the “religion of peace,” and that if they just “reeducate” him on how to be more civil and polite with his conquering ambitions for allah then he’ll be well again. But this is pointless, isn’t it, because it’s like treating the symptoms while ignoring the disease which is the religious teachings and cultural traditions of islam. But we can’t cure the disease because we’re “diverse” and “multicultural” now and that means we must ignore islam’s blatant threats of violence and hate against us. So these programs are just more “theater” to confuse and hoodwink the masses into complacency. This is like killing one bee in a swarm and calling yourself safe. Well, we’re not safe, and we never will be with islam and millions of muslims in our nation(s).
elee says
You are right, this pitiful specimen is both (1) consistent and (2) not particularly “radical” as Muslims go. No condemnation from here.
The entire premise of these efforts is mistaken. They presume that former Muslims will reason for themselves, because since John Locke or maybe Socrates we view reasoning for oneself as the essence of being a free man. Muslims do not aspire to reason for themselves or to be free men. They aspire to be slaves of Allah, loving what Allah is claimed to have ordered them to love and hating what they get told to hate…….which tends to be anything but Islam. Oh and……don’t take my word for this rather important proposition, go find any Muslim-theology source and ask what it means to be a slave of Allah. You’ll get told that this is the highest and most essential thing a Muslim to which aa Muslim can aspire.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, any misunderstanding of Islam starts at the very beginning if you think Islam means peace and not submission. Islam is the Religion of Submission and a follower is one who submits to the will of Allah and Allah’s will is determined by reading the Quran. If the people in the government want to learn about true Islam they should be sitting in a class with Choudary as the teacher of what he has learned from the Quran. He is a Muslim who understands the meaning of submission to Allah … and fighting with infidels to make them submit too is a part of it all, even now, just as it was in the time of Muhammad.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
You are right, this pitiful specimen is both (1) consistent and (2) not particularly “radical” as Muslims go. No condemnation from here.~elee
Well I’m glad you understood what I meant, I certainly wasn’t praising the man. But I do think he was doing us more good than harm, I was almost sad to see him go to prison. Every time he opened his bigoted and aggressive mouth he did us a service, once in prison he was silenced. He was completely forthright about islam’s jihad ambitions, he did not play the role of wish-washy moderate lying through his teeth. I truly believe his frankness and uncompromising convictions for islam were an embarrassment to the left, that’s why they stuffed him in prison. Muslims like him aren’t supposed to exist in multicultural Britain, they’re supposed to cherish our differences and live in peace and tolerance, lol, that’s the narrative. And then Choudary comes along rocking the boat with his unfettered truth about islam’s jihad ambitions over the infidel. His fundamentalist views were not at all “diverse,” and his threats of sharia domination were not at all “multicultural.” He was in effect a mouth piece for the terrorists, a rather obnoxious and persistent one. It will be interesting to see where he takes things from here. He’s not the kind to lay down and be passive for the West,
Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. ~Choudary
His convictions run too deep for tolerance,
Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment.~Choudary
He accepts islamic law as superior to our own,
I believe Islam is superior. And will not be surpassed. So I believe that the law of God is much superior to man-made law.~Choudary
He does not value our right to express more than islam,
Freedom of expression does not extend to insulting the Prophets of Allah.~Choudary
His bigotry regarding apostates is murderous and unyielding,
Muslims who convert to Christianity are not protected. That carries capital punishment… ~Choudary
He is a theocrat thoroughly dedicated to islamic supremacy,
Actually, as a Muslim, we believe sovereignty and supremacy belongs to God. And therefore, we believe in submitting to the commands of God.~Coudary
He was a loud mouth, staunch fundamentalist that showed islam for what it truly is to all who would listen. He wasn’t “radical” in my opinion, he was honest. So I have a special regard for the man, a sort of respect. I almost consider him an unwitting ally. His honesty helped dispel the myth that islam is a religion of peace and expose it for what it truly is–a violent and bigoted ideology that threatens us in every way possible.
gravenimage says
All Muslims are honest when they feel emboldened enough. They only practice Taqiyya when they are concerned about the Infidels being able to fight back if they learn the truth. Choudary either believes there will be no real resistance from the British, or that things are so far gone that Islam will win anyway.
Also, all too many Infidels don’t understand that this is mainstream Islam–they think Choudary is a “radical extremist”.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
Very very sensible comments by Agostino Armo Pellegrini. The british are incorrigible. When they colonized Bharath ( India) they had die hard love for muslims & contempt for Hindus.
When civil war broke out between West Pakistan & East Pakistan India ought to have listened to American Establishment ( Nixon & Kissinger who sanctimonious Indians love to hate till date) & stayed neutral.
Congress party together with rabid communists ( jyoti basu etc etc of West Bengal ) sent Indian Army to ”liberate” bengali muslims from Urdu speaking Punjabi muslims. Thus came bangladesh.
During those days in Calcutta jyoti basu the virulent communist was the chief minister.( MJ.Akbar who joined bjp as some foreign minister blah blah frequently travelling & hobnobbing with palestinians ” wept & wept” when jyoti basu the evil communist tyrant died very very belatedly. Now I guess has resigned to face sexual harassment charges . All of them follow a predictable pattern of behaviour. When the boxer Md Ali died it is afghanistan karzai & mj akbar who glorified him .while mourning calling him a “Spartacus”. WHY ? As he had defied American President. If so why did the same perennial beggar karzai seek protection from American Army , aid & more aid…His own afghani bodyguards deserted him during some assassination attempt & it was American Troops that saved his life. Certainly not the boxer md.ali. The boxer was alive then. Ditto for indian politicians. They support palestinian terrorists. But ask for help in drip irrigation to state of the art weapons from ISRAEL. Till date keep repeating ” when Jews were persecuted we only gave them asylum , made uppuma , made chapati etc” . I don’t see any connection. The same GODDAMNED india has been providing halal beef , veal etc etc to muslim inimicals too including rohingya muslim parasites. Why do they love the same muslims they fear ? Even omar abdullahs , faarukh abdullahs , hurriyat , mehbooba muftys all terrorists in the guise of politicians have mostly hindu idiots as their bodyguaards. Not rohingya muslims. All that these wily muslim politicians need to do is scream vandeymataram & hindu idiots would erupt in ecstasy.We were bludgeoned on our heads that mujibur rehman was one oppressed freedom fighter & that all of us should jointly pray , donate blah blah for mujibur rehman.
All the vital facts have been wantonly eclipsed by marxists ( communists , congressis , naxals , media in indian context all these mean the same).
Only recently I read about mujibur rehman. Before 1947 when british ruled over us Hindus this mujibur rehman was one deadly jihadist like the others. With the covert & overt support of british he & his fellow jihadists went about slaughtering many Hindu men , women & children. EVIL mk. gandi had long betrayed us Hindus & could not care less forever blackmailing Hindus with his threats to go on a fast.
Read the following to know what transpired then:-
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/remembering-gopal-mukherjee-the-braveheart-who-saved-calcutta-in-1946
TimC says
“So how does this programme work exactly?”
“Well, we have the subject write ‘I will not wage jihad’ 500 times on a whiteboard.”
boakai ngombu says
or … I will hate what allah loves and love what allah hates.
Malcolm Jackson says
Nigel Farage is an ardent supporter of Islam. Would I be correct in assuming Nigel Farage is anti-semitic?
Politically the Muslim vote dwarfs the Jewish vote in the UK. Any treacherous politician would sell out to Islam in the hope of winning Muslim votes.
What Farage and Co do not seem to realise is that Imam’s always tell their people to vote for Corbyn’s Islam loving Labour Party, so the likes of Farage, pandering to the Muslim vote, are wasting their time by their betrayal of the indigenous British population.
R Russell says
Taqiyya, kitman, Tawriya Muruna.
The 4 Stages of Islamic Conquest.
The government’s ignorance will ensure the continuing rise of Islam in the UK
Westman says
I read: Jihad preacher Anjem Choudary must attend “compulsory deradicalisation programme”
, and I’m still getting the breakfast orange juice out of my nasal passages!
What a delusional idea. Islam allows Choudary to lie and feign his way through such a program. But the “programme” will look so successful, like makeup over skin cancer….
elee says
I applaud Westman. More detail in my reply to Augustino Pellegini above.
PRCS says
” must go on anti‑extremism course,” by Fiona Hamilton and Richard Ford”
Do Brit “journalists” really buy into that nonsense?
Or do they have to say such things?
Are they able to articulate at what point a Muslim’s compliance with Islam’s texts “officially” becomes “extremism”?
Would they be able to tell Choudary HOW he’s got it all wrong?
Benedict says
Fat lot of good is that going to do. As is noticed from the past all those who under went such a program did not change at all and went on to join the terror groups and kill once set free. The best bet is send this British citizen who is a hate monger, back to Pakistan, that is where he hails from, and he will be at home among all the jihadis.
elee says
Incapacitation would be preferable. How much are you willing to sacrifice for each Muslim incapacitated?
infidel says
This KORANIMAL called AC is just playing the UK Govt and its people for fools… This worm can never get deradicalized… He is just doing plain cold Taqiyya which Muslims do when cornered. This filthy worm has to be booted out or kept in goal for life…
SB says
Good luck with that, simpletons.
Jayell says
Very strange! I heard in an interview with some kind of official that Choudhary had attended some sort of deradicalisation programme whilst in prison, but that, if anything, he’d become worse. So what’s going on here?
gravenimage says
+1I’m not surprised…
Jayell says
Sorry, got that wrong. Choudhary REFUSED to take part in the programme when in prison. Apparently one condition of his early release on licence is that he attends another deradicalisation programme, so if he refuses again, he’s back inside. But there’s a petition on at the moment to get him re-arrested and sent back, so if anyone cares to sign it?
gravenimage says
I hope he does wind up back in prison.
Genba says
I bet after the course he will not only be as “radical” as he is now, he will also have radicalized the other pupils and even the teachers.
Keys says
He will use the course to teach others how to frustrate and nullify its effect in the future.
Georg says
“compulsory deradicalisation programme”
Ought to involve a lobotomy and a straight jacket.
Fred H. says
The British government is in love with failed ideas. He will probably radicalize the deradicalizers.
Walter Sieruk says
To even attempt to deracialize or reform that wicked imam Anjem Choudary is a waste of time and effort as well as an action of fruitless folly .The ancient Greek playwright, Aristophanes , had wisdom that may well apply to this. For the playwright wrote “Even the wisest of the wise can never make a crab walk straight.” Much later, in time , the philosopher Immanuel Kant was right on the mark when he wrote “Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing can ever be made.”
Furthermore, the terms “Radical Muslim” and “Islamic extremist” in contrast to the term “Moderate Muslim” are actually Western terms and not that well known in the Islamic Middle East. This is because what In the Islamic mindset in the Muslim Middle East as well as in Indonesia and other Muslim controlled country what the non-Muslims of the Western nations view as “radical and “extremist” the Muslims of those places in the world see as “Normal” and even Devout and committed to the Cause of Islam”. Likewise they view those who Westerns see as “Moderate Muslims” those of the Islamic worldview and non-devout and non –committed Muslims. The violent jihadists even see them as “hypocrites.” Therefore, this explains the jihadist chant of those jihad-minded Muslims in different Islamic terror organizations. When they chant out loud “Death to infidels and hypocrites.” Meaning Death to people who and not Muslims and people who are non- jihadist Muslims.
James Lincoln says
Both Robert Spencer and Anjem Choudary speak the truth about Islamic jihad.
They just do it for different reasons.
Robert uses the Koran to attempt to educate the non-Muslims about the threat of Islamic jihad.
Anjem uses the same Koran to incite Muslims to commit Islamic Jihad.
The UK is attempting to silence both, for different reasons.
Robert is silenced in the UK by being banned.
With compulsory de-radicalization, the UK is trying to silence Anjem’s speech – regarding the use of the Koran – to incite Muslims to commit Islamic Jihad.
Very strange indeed.
Arthur says
I think you have hit the nail on the head James Lincoln.
I wish they would make public the debates between Anjem Choudary and his “deradicalization” instructors. I have a feeling he will run circles around them–it would be entertaining. I would be worried he would radicalize the instructors!
Anjem Choudary is a very pious Muslim who understands his religion very well. The problem, at the end of it all, is that Islam is, from a Judeochristian (and many other religions) viewpoint, evil. It cannot be fixed, it must either be abandoned or defeated.
Anjem Choudary is just a man, but the ideas that Islam is founded upon are an everlasting immortal threat to a fair and loving society.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
@ Arthur ,
You said it !
//he will run circles around them–it would be entertaining. I would be worried he would radicalize the instructors!//
EXACTLY. ”will run circles around” is exactly how he argues. One would go mad listening to him. That he ”would radicalize the instructors” is highly probable.
Very witty & correct summing up.
Thank you very much for making me laugh with abandon.
This wit , this clear insight is totally lacking in hindus.
gravenimage says
UK: Jihad preacher Anjem Choudary must attend “compulsory deradicalisation programme”
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Yeah–that’ll work…sarc/off
Logic&Reason says
Choudary embodies the Medina Muhammad hook, line, and sinker. He’s an Islamic supremacist. Tough to erase that software once you employ the power of its hegemonic directives.
If you think you’re no better than anyone else on this planet, there’s no way you can buy any ideology that claims supreme stature. That’s why indoctrinating children is so key for them.
Choudary sees himself as a key cog in a supremacist ideology–which dehumanizes everyone who disagrees with him…thereby gaining power in THIS world. Just as Muhammad ordered.
A_M_Swallow says
For a major government program to be cancelled it has to be shown to fail. Failure to deprogramme convicted Islamic terrorists will provide some of the evidence.
gravenimage says
Don’t count on any amount of evidence of failure shutting down these programs…
Baucent says
What a complete farce. Having listened to Mr Choudary expound his views several times I would suggest it is impossible to “de-radicalise” him. In fact there’s a good chance any “mentor” working with Choudary is at risk at falling under his spell.
Janakiraman Rajalakshmi says
//In fact there’s a good chance any “mentor” working with Choudary is at risk at falling under his spell//
Very very true.
Kelly says
De-radicalization? Yeah, right…Idiots…
Richard Courtemanche says
“compulsory deradicalisation programme”, wow! Allah must be shaking in his boots.
Linda M Clark says
Anjem REPROGRAMMED? AAAHAHAHAHABHAHAAHH!
terry says
Deradicalize Andy? … i can’t stop laughing.