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UK: Seven Muslims found guilty of running rape gang, one girl was raped by “at least 100” Muslims before she was 16

Oct 29, 2018 4:33 pm By Robert Spencer

1,400 British non-Muslim children were gang-raped and brutalized by Muslims in one city alone, and “several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

Why did they fear being thought of as racist? The Muslim rape gangs went unreported, unprosecuted, and in general unstopped because of far-Left organizations including Hope Not Hate, Faith Matters, and Tell Mama, which waged relentless war against anyone and everyone who spoke out about these issue. They demonized as “Islamophobic,” “hateful” and “bigoted” anyone who said that there were Muslim rape gangs at all, and that they had to be stopped. They led the campaign to ban Pamela Geller and me from entering the country, when one of the events we had discussed going to was a rally against the Muslim rape gangs.

Hope Not Hate has scrubbed the evidence, but it used to be possible to search for “grooming” (as these gangs are usually called “grooming gangs” in the British media) at Hope Not Hate’s site. You would have seen that the vast majority of the articles mentioning this practice were attacking those who were calling attention to it and protesting against it.

Who is responsible for the mass gang-rape of British girls by Muslims? The British Left — in particular the “anti-hate” crusaders Nick Lowles and Matthew Collins of Hope Not Hate, Fiyaz Mughal of Faith Matters and Tell Mama, and their friends, supporters, and allies.

The lives of at least 1,400 girls are ruined today because of these men. If Britain were even close to being a sane society today, these people would be being subjected to scorching criticism, and there would be a thorough public reevaluation of how much the Left’s alliance with Islamic supremacism and smear campaign against foes of jihad terror has harmed the nation and its people.

But Britain is not a sane society today, and these sinister individuals — Lowles, Mughal, and the rest of them — continue to wield their considerable power and influence in British society. If Britain is ever to recover itself and stave off chaos, civil war and Sharia, Lowles, Collins, Mughal and others like them would be arrested and tried. But that is not going to happen.

“Rotherham child sexual abuse: Gang of seven guilty,” BBC, October 29, 2018:

Seven men have been found guilty of grooming and exploiting young girls, including one who was sexually abused by “at least 100 Asian men” before the age of 16.

Sheffield Crown Court heard how the men targeted and exploited the teenagers before subjecting them to acts of a “degrading and violent nature”.

They abused five young girls over a seven year period in Rotherham.

The gang were convicted of offences including rape and indecent assault.

One girl described being bitten and raped by two of the men in Sherwood Forest while “high as a kite” on drugs.

Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar, 37, Asif Ali, 33, Tanweer Ali, 37, Salah Ahmed El-Hakam, 39, Nabeel Kurshid, 35, Iqlak Yousaf, 34, and a seventh man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, were convicted after a trial.

An eighth man, Ajmal Rafiq, 39, was found not guilty of one count of false imprisonment and one count of indecent assault.

The men are due to be sentenced on 16 November.

The convictions are the latest to come out of Operation Stovewood, the National Crime Agency’s (NCA) investigation into child sexual exploitation in Rotherham, which has identified more than 1,500 victims.

During a trial lasting more than eight weeks the jury heard the men, who are all of British Pakistani heritage, preyed on the girls’ vulnerability before they were sexually assaulted and passed on to other men.

Prosecutor Michelle Colborne QC said the girls had been “lured by the excitement of friendship with older Asian youths” but were then “targeted, sexualised and in some instances subjected to acts of a degrading and violent nature”.

She said: “None of them had the maturity to understand that they were being groomed and exploited, often believing that sex of some kind was a necessary price for friendship.”

Operation Stovewood is the largest law enforcement investigation into non-familial child sexual exploitation in the UK.

It began in 2014 after a report found at least 1,400 children in Rotherham were the victims of abuse between 1997 and 2013….

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  1. Carl says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    I think there are lots of fbad things going on behind the surface in imuslim societies. This is probably only the tip of the iceberg.

    • Simo Hayha says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 1:52 pm

      Speaking of “TIPS,” how about CASTRATE these vermin? Balls and ALL. Yes, EVERYTHING! Immediately. Make whiny little girls of them. THEN put them in PRISON for 25 or MORE years with NO possibility of parole until their sentences have been completed!….EVER! I can’t help buy wonder what the Hell happened to the Fighting British MEN who fought so valiantly against aggression by the Germans. Did COJONES suddenly shrink and fall to the ground? I remember clearly that when German hostilities began, the British government begged the USA to “LEND” them guns because “ordinary” Brits had been disarmed. So, being the nation of “Big Shoulders,” the call went out across the land and several hundred thousand firearms, rifles, shotguns, and handguns were collected and shipped to Great Britain to arm the populace. When the war ended, those very same “authorities” went around, collecting all those guns, which were them DESTROYED! Not returned to us. Now, the private citizens are once again DISARMED and under an INVASION by muslims from the very worst of shithole countries.

      • Andy says

        Oct 30, 2018 at 9:00 pm

        Another story that boils my blood! No wonder I have high blood pressure.

        These moslem savages should NOT BE IN ANY JUDEO-CHRISTIAN CIVILIZED LAND PERIOD!

        We all know what is going on, It seems to be a deliberate act on the part of globalists to bring about a new world order, I got news for you folks, WE AIN’T IN IT!

        Better start to think of fighting back big time and try to enlighten everyone to what is REALLY GOING ON! We have a big battle on our hands for our Judeo-Christian Civilization.

        Poor poor girls, If I had my way, Swift, truthful, honest justice would be happening all across our world!

  2. Malcolm Jackson says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 4:56 pm

    And Nigel Farage thinks Tommy Robinson should be in prison for reporting these crimes.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 5:02 pm

      Yes–very ugly.

    • Bindon Blood says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 7:18 am

      Why do these people always mention Tommy ‘s former founding of the EDL.? Asking for trouble by telling the truth? Farage has gone native. The lure of huge speaking fees has turned him. Luckily the chief justice does not agree with Farage. Batten is the man for UKIP.

    • Asally says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 6:44 pm

      And how did he “influence” the trial? He was seized as he was standing outside on the public sidewalk and repeating what the BBC had already openly stated to the public. Farage is a jerk. He apparently thinks there is room for only one “hero” and he thinks he ought to be it.

      There was no breach of anyone’s right to a fair trial, there was no crime, no breach of any proper form at all here. Farage has had his day. He has largely failed. After he got a vote on Brexit he was deluded into thinking that he had “won” something. How naive! How utterly stupid of him. So he got his vote and promptly attempted to dismantle the “party” he had founded and go fishing, having made what he thought was a worthy contribution. He failed. HE FAILED! He has thus far accomplished nothing and the so-called party he “founded’ to do one thing – mind you, not to stand for any particular principle or set of principles, but as a sort of one-shot deal, has frayed apart. Why? Because it was founded on one issue. It has not yet accomplished anything at all, Nigel. You guys are still in the EU and my bet is you will stay there. At least as long as France and Germany do. You ass. Robinson has accomplished more to help the British people that you and your whole stinking failed party put together. Let’s hope that some of your followers do better than you did.

  3. Jack Cade says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    Inter-species rape! And, where the hell are the soccer hooligans when you need them?

  4. gravenimage says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    UK: Seven Muslims found guilty of running rape gang, one girl was raped by “at least 100” Muslims before she was 16
    ………………………..

    How many more British girls have to suffer?

    • Sons of Liberty says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 10:08 pm

      These people are gutter slugs to help allow the MUSLIM RAPE GANGS to continue ! The UK is LOST and to sit back and allow this to happen to young British girls is a perfect example .

  5. Benedict says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 5:07 pm

    The girls have not only been raped by Muslim gangs. A society that has waged a relentless war against the traditional family has thereby abandoned the girls to these savages.

    • Dave says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 3:23 am

      True – best to kill these rapists on the spot.

      • Rotten Eye says

        Oct 30, 2018 at 4:49 am

        Muslim on a stick. Sort of reversed rape.

  6. Jay says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    England is LOST!! PM Teresa May should be charged with treason for not protecting the English people and their soverignity! Where is the outrage from the English taxpayimg public??
    The USA will not be able to save them again – especially with their open border progressive immigration policies! It’s complete insanity!
    PM Churchill is not resting well today !! God save the queen!

    • Anne Smith says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 3:13 pm

      As far as I know Theresa May has not said one word about this huge and ;monstrous crime which has been going on for at least twenty years in Britain.

      On the other hand she has made a number of videos about Muslims in which she exhorts British citizens to “celebrate” and “give thanks for their incredible contribution to British society.”

      This woman is quite clearly the worst Prime Minister that we have ever had.

  7. DHazard says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    Have any lessons been learned? Are UK authorities more likely to believe white girls who accuse “Asian” men of systematic rape? Or are they being ignored right now? There is definitely no move toward publicly recognizing the teachings of Islam and example of Muhammad as having any part in rape gangs. Not anywhere, except Poland and Hungary.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 5:34 pm

      Good questions, DHazard.

  8. Douglas P. says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    Anyone caught molesting a Child deserves a quick but public execution! Set up the guillotine right in front of their mosque. Pull the lever just before Friday prayers!
    Adherents of the “Religion of Peace”, will soon get the message!

  9. Wellington says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 5:55 pm

    Rape and Islam are a natural together. Have been this way from Islam’s reputed founder, some 1400 years ago, to this very day.

    No other religion is associated in its theological blueprint with the sanctioning of rape (examples to be found in the Koran, never mind the hadiths and sira, in Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70)—not even remotely, actually not at all. But Islam is.

    Islam is reprehensible for sundry reasons, I mean a plentiful amount here. But here are two reasons, among so many, why Islam, ALL OF IT, should be rejected by any sane and moral person: 1) the sanctioning of rape; 2) death for leaving the Islamic faith (as evidenced by Sura 4.89 and the Bukhari Hadith passage, 9.84.57).

    If only these two “objections” existed toward Islam, they should still be reason enough to consign Mohammedanism to the trash heap of history. But there are so many other reasons, loads of them, not the least being that Islam is the only religion that calls for war to be made upon humanity “until all religion is with Allah” {Sura 8:39}, and the rank hatred towards all non-Muslims as evinced by such passages in the Koran as Sura 60.4 and Sura 98.6 which, respectively, call upon Muslims to despise all non-believers “until they accept Allah only” and that Jews and Christians “are the vilest of creatures.”

    C’mon, humanity. Time is way overdue to look upon Islam as the proto-type and spiritual equivalent of Nazism; that mankind, unfortunately, got a major religion which sucks to its core. And no coincidence, I would add here, that Adolf Hitler, admired by so many Muslims to this very day for his Jew hatred and for other reasons, revealed in his Table Talk and from other sources (e.g., Albert Speer’s “Inside The Third Reich”) that he thought it a damn shame, a great lost opportunity, that Islam, rather than Christianity, became the chief religion of Western Civilization.

    • mortimer says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 7:35 pm

      Agree with Wellington. The RAPE CULTURE of Islam alone is enough of a reason to ban it.

      Sharia law contains no punishment for a Muslim who rapes a kafir.

      Sharia law is inseparable from Islam. Islam cannot be practiced without Sharia.

      The purpose of Islam’s rape culture is to use rape as part of a genocide directed against disbelievers. Islamic rape is part of Islam’s genocidal program. Muslim males know this. Muslim males in UK rape for RELIGIOUS REASONS.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 4:02 pm

      Good posts, Wellington and Mortimer.

  10. Hugh Fitzgerald says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    The latest figure for victims in Rotherham has increased from 1,400 to 1,510, as more girls have come forward. So far “Asian” men — British Pakistanis — have been tried and convicted in 27 British cities.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 6:20 pm

      This horror just keeps getting bigger.

    • IanB says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 8:32 pm

      I am loath to correct Hugh FitzGerald but that should be Muslim Pakistanis. There are many Christian Pakistanis, brutally oppressed in their homeland, and moreover, in no way whatever are these rapist degenerate Muslim scum British.

      • A_M_Swallow says

        Oct 29, 2018 at 11:09 pm

        Asian is used because a few of the rapists come from Afghanistan and Bangladesh. Pakistan and Afghanistan are neighbouring countries.

        • Save Europe says

          Oct 30, 2018 at 12:29 am

          ……but the term ‘Asian’ is also being used by the political supposed elite to prevent a backlash against Pakistani Muslims – calling out their males’ behaviour for what it is!!! 85 percent of grooming gangs in the UK are Pakistani Muslim – and that’s what Majid Nawaz of the Quilliam Foundation stated! Himself a Pakistani Muslim.

  11. abad says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 6:39 pm

    These Moslem criminals need to be deported to their home countries. They do not belong in the UK.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 7:29 pm

      Agreed–deport them.

  12. mortimer says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    Let’s apply the ‘change-the-names’ test to see if protecting the MUSLIM RAPE GANGS is a reasonable thing for the police to do.

    So consider the following and decide whether police would respond quickly to a complaint and press charges:

    – British white supremacist RAPE GANG lures MUSLIM teens into SEX SLAVERY
    (would police respond?)
    – Hindu supremacist RAPE GANG lures MUSLIM teens into SEX SLAVERY
    (would police respond?)
    – British neo-Nazi RAPE GANG lures MUSLIM teens into SEX SLAVERY
    (would police respond?)

    Why do British Leftists believe it isn’t a RAPE GANG when Muslims do it?

  13. Rolf Wittwer says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 7:33 pm

    …and BBC is talking again to the mass of people about “ASIAN” men !!!!
    The word “ISLAM”,”MUSLIM”,”SHARIA”,”TERROR”, obviously doesn’t exist anymore for BBC.
    They are afraid, because it is/was ISLAMIC TERROR !
    Stop this demagogic stupid “political correctness” !!!

    • IanB says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 8:40 pm

      The BBC is infested with Common Purpose neo-Marxist intellectual zombies. It is tragic that this once great institution is now reduced to a pathetic far-left social engineering propaganda machine.

  14. infidel says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 8:37 pm

    Nothing short of a bloody civil war is going to work in the Eu… Alas, India is slipping deeper and deeper into the Islamic abyss as this unfortunate Hindu land heads for a second INEVITABLE partition….my heart weeps!!!

  15. IanB says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    The rape of our young girls on a massive scale by depraved Muslim gangs is the greatest scandal to have ever arisen in the UK made even worse by the cowardly indifference of politicians, social workers and police. That Tommy Robinson was arrested and imprisoned for pointing this out, as I could be, indicates that nothing is more important to the UK authorities than appeasing and pandering to Muslims. Young British girls (white, Sikh and Hindu victims of the rape gangs), their lives shattered, are of no account to the UK elite who regard Muslims as the primary victim group to be zealously protected.
    The day of reckoning will make Armageddon look like a Sunday picnic.

    M

    • Tony Holland says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 6:41 am

      So Its time for my usual response to this question,STOP voting the Con/Lab liars cheats and appeasers into their highly paid but useless positions of priviledge in Westminster,these career ‘politicians’ will do NOTHING at all to protect WHITE BRITISH girls from the subhumans roaming the cities of Britain and this has been proven to be true,they are full of fear and self interest.
      Start using common sense and persuade every person you speak to to support a PRO BRITISH party that will change the things that the liars and cheats are afraid to address in our country,UKIP are leading the way under Batten and if he is allowed to add TR to the party then other organisations might combine and bring their followers swelling the numbers,—-you know it makes sense!!!!.

      • Anne Smith says

        Oct 30, 2018 at 3:20 pm

        We try never to watch it. The BBC is a disgusting organisation that promotes and employs Muslims in broadcasting way above the proportion actually in our population.
        Watch the BBC and you will think you are in the Middle East or Pakistan.

        The BBC also promoted the EU in the most biased and obvious way, contravening the terms of its charter, which it has long since ceased to observe. It is so left wing it can no longer report the news but instead it is a constant spew of propaganda.
        Hardly anyone I know bothers to watch it.

  16. alex smythe says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 10:54 pm

    Yes, one can just feel the glorious, exotic, multicultural enrichment of the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs /sarc/.

    Out of curiosity, have there been any reported cases of these vile gangs preying on non-Muslim girls, of, say, Afro-Caribbean, Arab, or East Asian (Chinese,Korean, Filipina etc.) heritage? Though most of the victims seem to be white, with smaller numbers of Hindu and Sikh girls, it wouldn’t really be surprising if that were the case.

    • A_M_Swallow says

      Oct 29, 2018 at 11:17 pm

      Britain is still a mostly white country. Muslims were allowed to live in white areas. The gangs could imply have gone after girls who lived locally and did not have chaperones.

    • IanB says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 5:00 am

      Pakistani Muslim rape gangs also target Hindu and Sikh girls as a Google search of cases will reveal.

  17. A_M_Swallow says

    Oct 29, 2018 at 11:13 pm

    > and a seventh man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, were convicted after a trial.

    He could be underage but more likely the seventh man is involved with a second trial. This suggests that he was the ring leader.

    • PRCS says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 7:31 pm

      Ta Da!

  18. R Russell says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 5:15 am

    I watched on RT yesterday, the running news at the bottom of the screen, that MI5 is to take over the policing of ‘Far Right Extremists’. It was reported among the budget changes.
    The UK government is taking steps to silence people like Tommy Robinson who have drawn attention to these horrendous crimes.
    I looked online at the number of people who have signed the government petition to allow Robert Spencer into the UK. Only 3500 have sign it.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229237
    How can we keep it in the public eye? If people don’t know about it, it wont be signed.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 4:26 pm

      I hope all patriotic Britons sign this.

  19. herb says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 5:54 am

    Wow this story broke my heart wtf. damn England ban Islam. those poor victims and their families. 🙁

  20. WPM says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 6:47 am

    The elected officials of England are selling their souls cheap to appease Islam .Until the good people of England wake up and vote them out this will be par for the course of living there their daughters will not be safe. They will keep importing these monsters ,with their 4 wives, and 16 kids on welfare a voting block of raping robbing ,welfare cheating monsters.

  21. henrik arboe jensen says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 7:48 am

    they care not 4 working class peasants
    they care not 4 mental muslims
    they care not 4 law and order.

  22. Kilauea says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 9:32 am

    If you import thousands of savages, who believe it is their right to rape non-Muslims into your country, what do you think the end result will be? Islam is not a race or a religion. It is a backward, insidious, political ideology bent on world conquest.

  23. Richard Courtemanche says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    Wonder if the British Court is capable of giving efficient punishment to radical Muslims!

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 4:37 pm

      Alas, this is not “radical”–raping Infidel girls and using them as sex slaves is mainstream Islam.

  24. Robin Rosenblatt says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    Three years ago it was reported that One million 12 year old girls in England were Raped not once but at lested twenty times each. The reports today have increased by Millions.

  25. eduardo odraude says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 1:39 pm

    Building “Counterjihad” Energy and Morale

    Too much bad news and not enough good news causes people to start giving up.

    Too much good news and not enough bad news makes people complacent.

    I’d say that currently the balance at Jihad Watch is not optimal, leans too much toward the bad news.

    Still, one must be very grateful for Jihad Watch.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 4:46 pm

      Agreed, Eduardo.

      But here is one heartening story from today:

      “Italy’s Salvini congratulates Bolsonaro: ‘Even in Brazil, the citizens have sent home the left!'”

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/10/italys-salvini-congratulates-bolsonaro-even-in-brazil-the-citizens-have-sent-home-the-left

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 30, 2018 at 4:47 pm

        Ah–I see you’ve already seen and commented on that story.

  26. Linda Goudsmit says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 3:32 pm

    These Muslim animals deserve the death penalty for what they did to this innocent child. Britain has surrendered to Islam and descended into the vile depths of Islamic barbarity. Muslim rape gangs are only possible when the dhimmi government is complicit.

  27. Politicianophobia says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    Hang all of them, show this filth is not tolerated.

  28. Abu_Lahab says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    This is how a civilized society commits suicide.

    Either deal with these disgusting vermin it a manner that doesn’t leave any question as to how seriously their crime is considered. Firing squad, repatriation of family members.

    Anything less is capitulation or acceptance of dhimmi status.

  29. PRCS says

    Oct 30, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    The perps weren’t convicted of complying with Islamic law (the Shari’ah).

    They were convicted of committing criminal acts in violation of man made British law.

    And I like the way the BBC handled this.

    “During a trial lasting more than eight weeks the jury heard the men, who are all of British Pakistani heritage, preyed on the girls’ vulnerability before they were sexually assaulted and passed on to other men.”

    A reasonable description. Accurate and to the point.

    The perps know who they are and what they believe (although they’re NOT going to EVER admit that’s what caused them to commit the crimes). And maybe that wasn’t the reason, after all.

    The public knows who they are–some even know what Islam teaches–but cannot prove the crimes were committed in accordance with Islam’s teachings.

    The Muslim community (if not the whole damned bunch, a lot of them know “who” and “what” the perps are) were denied–by the BBC article–another opportunity to bitch, whine and riot about “Islamophobia”.

    Because the article rightly, IMO, did not refer to them as Muslims.

    Now, sentence them. And lock ’em up.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 30, 2018 at 5:56 pm

      PRCS, I agree that we should be enforcing our own laws.

      But I’m not clear on why you think we should not be able to note when the perpetrators are Muslim? Why should we have to hide this?

      • PRCS says

        Oct 30, 2018 at 6:44 pm

        We can.

        You do. I do. Most here do.

        But if it’s not provably relevant to the case, the court must not and the press (unless in an op-ed) should report ‘just the facts, ma’am”.

        If Islam’s teachings cannot be proven relevant to the crime, then they are irrelevant.

        Kudos to the BBC–in this case.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 1, 2018 at 7:49 pm

          PRCS, rape has *skyrocketed* in Europe and Britain since masses of Muslims have flooded into our civilized nations.

          I think it is important for us to know this.

    • John Thomas says

      Oct 31, 2018 at 6:35 pm

      The headline will be “100 years”! But that equates to 14 years each so after “good conduct” they’ll be out in five or six years,! See if I’m right.? Watch this space!

      • gravenimage says

        Nov 1, 2018 at 7:53 pm

        Yes–very troubling.

  30. Chaz says

    Nov 1, 2018 at 7:34 pm

    I’m surprised the judge didn’t say whack their pee pee then turn them loose

  31. Angel says

    Nov 2, 2018 at 3:15 am

    U.K. / British are behind all the wars / chaos and killing of million million million Middle Eastern people / Indians / native Indians, Philippine people, etc. etc., that is why people want to take revenge against them :

    https://aim4truth.org/2018/04/17/exposed-all-the-queens-agents-and-corporations-that-control-the-world/

    • Chaz says

      Nov 2, 2018 at 12:54 pm

      Angel,
      What planet are you living on? This crap has been going on forever.

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