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UKIP Leader Gerard Batten Criticized by Nigel Farage for Telling the Truth (Part Two)

Oct 11, 2018 8:30 am By Hugh Fitzgerald

Robert Spencer noted in June:

At a recent dinner of the UK Independence Party (UKIP), which he formerly headed, Farage said: “If dealing with Islamic fundamentalism becomes a battle between us and the entire religion, I’ll tell you the result: we’ll lose. We will simply lose….We absolutely have to get that Muslim majority living in many of our towns and cities on our side, more attuned to Western values than some pretty hardline interpretations of the Qur’an.”

Sure. Now how does Farage propose to do that? His warning against making the resistance to jihad a “battle between us and the entire religion” is odd. No sane person is saying that the West should go to war with the entire Islamic world. The likeliest interpretation of his statement is that he is saying that we must not speak about how jihadis find justification for their actions in the Qur’an and Sunnah, as that will alienate the “moderates.”

But if we don’t speak about such facts, how will we ever convince Muslims not to follow “hardline interpretations of the Qur’an”?

Another problem with Farage’s statement is that it manifests a remarkable ignorance of history. While he is deeply concerned that British people not begin to think that resisting jihad terror means that they are in a “battle” with the “entire religion” of Islam, he appears unaware of the fact that many Muslims throughout history have considered their entire religion to be at war with the entire non-Muslim world.

Back to Sky News:

The ex-UKIP head said the party should be focusing on Brexit, adding “this is not the moment for people to pursue personal hobby horses.”

When did alarm about mass Muslim migration, and its effect on every aspect of British society — on the government’s ability to pay for the housing, health, education, and family allowances of Muslim migrants whose rates of unemployment and of crime are both far higher than those of non-Muslims, on such horrors as the grooming gangs, on the failure of Muslims to integrate, or even to want to integrate, into British society — all become dismissable as “personal hobby horses”? Understanding, and warning about, the menace of Islam is not anyone’s “personal hobby horse.”

“The Football Lads Alliance was formed by a football hooligan to unite supporters from different clubs against Islam.

Not a football fan, mind you, but a “football hooligan.” Who is he, and where is the evidence that he was a “hooligan’? Did he smash shop windows, attack fans from opposing clubs, beat up the police? Or does he earn the epithet “hooligan” here only because he is anti-Islam? We would like to know more.

“Its Facebook page has been criticised for racist content and the group has since renamed itself the Democratic Football Lads Alliance.

There has been no “racist content” on the Facebook page of the Democratic Football Lads Alliance; comments have been anti-Islam, which is a different thing. But Sky News keeps using this word “racist” for the DemocratIc Football Lads Alliance, and “anti-racist” for those who came out to oppose them. For the word “racist,” read “anti-Islam.” For the word “anti-racist,” read “apologist for Islam.” Those anti-Islam comments on Facebook were prompted in every case not by some baseless prejudice, but by the observable behavior of Muslims, especially that of the grooming gangs.

Demonstrators on the march told Sky News they were hoping to highlight problems with Muslim grooming gangs in northern towns and cities but one anti-racism protester said: “They need a moral cover to hide behind.”

After more than a thousand English girls have been mass-raped by these grooming gangs, bringing the problem to the attention of the public is hardly a “moral cover to hide behind” (as they presumably spew their “racist” message), as someone described incorrectly as an “anti-racism protester” claims. Grooming gangs are a real, not an imaginary problem. They are not being used as an excuse for anything.

“We stand with the victims of rape, they are only interested in having a go at Muslims.”

That is nonsense. No, the protesters are not interested in “having a go at Muslims,” but in making sure that those who took part in these grooming gangs, all of whom appear to be Muslims, are in fact brought to justice, and that the police engage in earlier intervention to rescue the victims. For years, the British police turned a blind eye to these gangs, for fear of being called — most inaccurately — “racists.” The police cared more about how they were viewed than about rescuing these girls. Now, belatedly, the grooming gangs are beginning to be prosecuted. When these protesters demand that more be done to prevent these gangs, and to punish their savage members, that does not constitute “having a go at Muslims.”

The Democratic Football Lads Alliance shares many similarities with the EDL founded by Tommy Robinson almost a decade ago.

Gerard Batten defended his attendance at the DFLA rally, saying: “They are democratic and against extremism of any kind. I don’t have a problem with it.”

This protest against the behavior of some Muslims is, like so many others, presented as a morality play. Evil is represented by the “racist” protesters, who call themselves “‘Football Lads” — their group having been founded by an unnamed “hooligan,” they are themselves presented as hooligans and lager louts, always looking for a fight, clearly lower class and with crude views that are not to be taken seriously. Good is represented by those who come out to oppose those “Lads,” the “anti-racism” protesters who are made up of the decent, tolerant people of Great Britain, with whom we are supposed to identify, and who know that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with Islam.

As for Gerald Batten, he said nothing at the protest rally that is not completely true. He told the truth about the grooming gangs, about who is responsible for them, and why it too so long for the police to take the problem seriously. He told the truth about Muhammad and little Aisha. That makes him, in Theresa May’s Great Britain, a danger both to the state and to society, neither of which can bear very much reality. He is being marginalized; the Homeric epithet “racist,” which has absolutely nothing to do with his well-informed view of Islam’s texts and teachings, will be affixed to his name at every opportunity. But if he holds on, and ignores a trimmer like Nigel Farage, eventually the observable behavior of Muslims in Great Britain, and in the rest of Europe, will become too menacing, for too many people, and there will be a turn toward those who, like Gerald Batten and Anne Marie Waters, recognize the problem and, unlike Nigel Farage, did not flinch.

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Filed Under: dhimmitude, Featured, Hugh Fitzgerald, United Kingdom, Useful idiots, willful ignorance Tagged With: Democratic Football Lads Alliance (DFLA), Gerard Batten, Nigel Farage, UKIP


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  1. David says

    Oct 11, 2018 at 8:46 am

    This is incorrect
    “After more than a thousand English girls have been mass-raped by these grooming gangs”
    It should read
    “After more than a thousand English girls have been mass-raped by these grooming gangs, in one town alone, the total is unknown but could several thousands”

    • John says

      Oct 11, 2018 at 11:18 pm

      The number of mass-raped English girls by these grooming gangs is estimated to be between 300 000 and 1 million.

      • SJC says

        Oct 12, 2018 at 1:59 pm

        In excess of one million young British and Sikh females have now been befriended, groomed, drugged, abused, raped, gang raped, across the length and breadth of the UK. Some of them have sadly been murdered too, let that sink in…….killed in the name of Islam, the so called “religion of peace”

        Islam is not a religion in the true sense of the word. It is a “tyrannical, violence-ridden, misogynistic socio-political IDEOLOGY, that masquerades as a religion. It is also totally incompatible with all civilised westernised countries, and specifically in relation to the values we hold dear, such as our right to freedom of speech, democracy, and human rights. Moslems who choose to follow Islam and Sharia Law to the letter have one agenda, and that is to take over every country they invade to subjugate the host population to their barbarian, 7th century primitive way of living, which is intolerant of all other faiths and cultures.

      • Brian hoff says

        Oct 12, 2018 at 2:47 pm

        I hight doubt your number.. First there where not many rape gang than muslim at all. You are than Islamoprobic racist.

        • StellaSaidSo says

          Oct 12, 2018 at 3:26 pm

          This estimate is accurate, based on data collected from several UK towns and cities. The same pattern is evident elsewhere throughout the Western world. It is the Muslim rape gangs who are racist, not those who call attention to these filthy crimes.

  2. Jayell says

    Oct 11, 2018 at 9:42 am

    It looks like Farage has joined the corrupted UK establishment. it should be very interesting indeed to find out who he’s been consorting with in recent times.

  3. Michael Copeland says

    Oct 11, 2018 at 11:26 am

    Gerard Batten and Lord Pearson are almost alone amongst British politicians for being well-informed about Islam and prepared to speak about it. Long may they continue.

  4. Malcolm Jackson says

    Oct 11, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    Why does Nigel Farage support Islam? Who is Nigel Farage really working for?
    Nigel Farage knows that the Labour Party is the party all Muslims are told to vote for by their Imams.
    The Labour Party is the Party of Islam.
    Muslims do what their Imams tell them to do.
    Muslims do not do what Nigel Farage tells Muslims to do.
    Why did Nigel Farage begin Islamising UKIP in 2014 when Nigel Farage knew Muslims would not be voting UKIP?
    Did Nigel Farage deliberately start Islamising UKIP in 2014 in order to divide and destroy UKIP?

    • steve says

      Oct 11, 2018 at 5:46 pm

      Nigel surrendered to the Muslim Brotherhood . The Question is , who will fight to stop the Global Jihad Caliphate’s conquering of Europe through birth rate demographics

    • Brian hoff says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 2:54 pm

      In 1830 the largest political party in america was the know nothing party than antiimigrateion party against allow Irish and other European to come to america to settle. It die than quick death.

  5. Malcolm Jackson says

    Oct 11, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    Nigel Farage is an ardent supporter of Islam. Would I be correct in assuming Nigel Farage is anti-semitic?

    Politically the Muslim vote dwarfs the Jewish vote in the UK. Any treacherous politician would sell out to Islam in the hope of winning Muslim votes.

    What Farage and Co do not seem to realise is that Imam’s always tell their people to vote for Corbyn’s Islam loving Labour Party, so the likes of Farage, pandering to the Muslim vote, are wasting their time by their betrayal of the indigenous British population.

    • Elaine says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 1:24 pm

      From what I hear Farage is not even from Britain, so he wouldn’t care a less what happens. He is a traitor and is on the side of the Muslims who would bring him down in a heart-beat. I have no respect for this man what do ever.

      • StellaSaidSo says

        Oct 12, 2018 at 2:10 pm

        What you hear, Elaine, is incorrect. Nigel Farage was born in Kent, England in 1964, to an English family of French origin.

  6. Wellington says

    Oct 11, 2018 at 5:48 pm

    Farage is not the man I thought he was not many years ago. Yes indeed, he’s part of THE PROBLEM in our times, said problem being the continued unwillingness by so many in the West to see how mortal is the threat to freedom, and other good things like equality under the law, a true Golden Rule for all and real women’s rights, Islam surely is.

    Shame on him. Unless he does a 180 on Islam, I’m through with the man.

    My God, why can’t by now more see how terrible Islam really is? I regularly talk with ordinary good folks who, overall, have common sense and decency, but on the matter of Islam they remain stunningly ignorant—and apathetic. Well, goodness without knowledge and courage means very little.

    Goodness and decency alone will not keep the West alive. Knowledge and toughness are also imperatives for freedom’s survival.

  7. James Lincoln says

    Oct 11, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    Robert Spencer, of course, is correct regarding Gerald Batten – he said nothing at the protest rally that is not completely true. And every interview I’ve ever seen of Gerald Batten discussing Islam with the BBC, etc., has been totally accurate. He is a fantastic UKIP leader.

    So what is going on with Nigel? I have a few thoughts:

    Let’s assume, for a moment, that Nigel is a decent man who really cares about the future of the UK… After all, he did a great job with BREXIT.

    I think that he is scared, literally to death, of Islam. Perhaps, in his mind, he is trying to be pragmatic and “strike a balance” on dealing with the problem, as annotated in the above feature article. Call it “trying to make the best of the very bad situation”.

    Pew research puts the projected UK Muslim population in the year 2030 at 8.2%. In his mind, the UK cannot deal with Islam the same way that, say, Poland and Hungary are dealing with it – even if they wanted to. We all know that Poland and Hungary have a negligible Muslim population – and plan to keep it that way.

    I’m NOT saying that Nigel is right in his approach, I’m just trying to glean some kind of reasonable explanation for his thinking.

    The only alternative is that he has completely sold out to Islam.

    Thoughts?

  8. James Lincoln says

    Oct 11, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    And, of course, Hugh Fitzgerald is also correct in his above analysis regarding Gerard Batten.

  9. patriotliz says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 8:35 am

    The first mistake was letting the Muslim enemy into the UK in the first place.
    Nothing that the Brits can do now, other than deportation, banning Mosques and banning Sharia law will slow down the civilization jihad. Too little, too late for most of Western Europe.
    Islam is extreme but, there is also this incredible “extreme” tolerance for Islam by the Western Leftists. Tolerating an evil ideology to overrun the Western nations because indigenous Europeans have self-loathing of their heritage only means self-annihilation.

    • James Lincoln says

      Oct 12, 2018 at 10:10 am

      patriotliz,

      A correct, succinct – and astute analysis.

      I only wish that you were wrong.

  10. Martin says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    I watched Gerard Batten on what was the daily politics on Friday hosted by Cockburn, I have never seen such a biased “journalist” presenter attack anyone like Cockburn did since I watched a “journalist” attack the israeli president a few years ago on a “news” program, they were both disgraceful and brought journalists down to the gutter.

  11. Keith Cashman says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm

    I was an ardent follower of Farage until this comment. He is supporting the next step of islamism by accepting their right to live amongst their stated enemy, who by the way, pay for their existence at the moment. Once the communities collapse into poverty due to these imports the moslem’s have won their aim of conquest by stealth.

  12. Peter says

    Oct 12, 2018 at 9:49 pm

    Nigel does not want his name to go down in History as one of those attached to the blood bath to come. You might say he is trying to head the stampede ” Off at the pass”. Enoch Powell’s ” Rivers of Blood”, speech is very much in his mind when he tries to ameliorate,appease and defuse the growing Anti-Islamic groundswell rising in the Western Democratic World. I believe his hopes for an Islamic reformation, as per Maajid Nawaz is a hope in vain. Fourteen hundred years of Islamic history show not one iota of change.Quite the opposite in fact. An inflexible resolute campaign of endless Jihad marks the all too consistant march of Martial, Militant Islam, the Religion of War and Subjugation,intent on enslaving the World.

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