In this new video, I discuss a recent speech by British Prime Minister Theresa May, in which she likened me and Pamela Geller to the jihad terrorists Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada. This was a manifestation of the moral myopia that cripples Britain’s response to the jihad threat.
StellaSaidSo says
Excellent video, Robert. I hope that copies will be forwarded to Westminster, and to No.10.
Voytek Gagalka says
I recommend sending her a copy of Mr. Spencer’s last book “History of Jihad from Mohammed to ISIS,” with an appropriate handwritten dedication note “to Theresa May, PM.” Will Theresa read it? I doubt it; be at least one can try it…
FYI says
And a copy of the koran with all the anti-semitic references heavily underlined….and a copy to Jeremy Corbyn too.
Nothing beats the koran for virulent anti-semitism…
David E Munson says
She doesn’t even know a terrorist situation when she sees one.
How would she even know.
Indiana Tom says
She knows, that is the real crime of this mess. If Thomas Jefferson and John Adams can figure it out, so can all these other politicians.
StellaSaidSo says
Exactly, Tom. The difference is that she supports the invasion. Her globalist loyalties have been clear since she was Home Secretary.
andy mckendrick says
You can add Winston Churchill and William Gladstone to that list…who were aware of the danger.
Kepha says
It’s the moral myopia that cripples Western governments everywhere.
Wellington says
Seconded. Though I would also mention another negative and which has nothing to do with ethics but just sheer knowledge, the dearth of which by Western leaders about Islam is stunning (unless of course you buy into conspiracy world whereby Western leaders like May DO KNOW how terrible Islam is for Western Civilization and are deliberately and knowingly seeking its destruction).
Anjuli Pandavar says
I’m struggling with this one, too. Is it about votes? No one seems to be suggesting that these days. Is it about losing face? This would imply that they are fully aware of what they’re doing, but simply cannot bring themselves to own up. Do they actually believe that Islam is harmless? Then why are they foreclosing all discussion and debate? Do they insist that Islam is harmless, although they don’t really know either way? In this case it follows that they’d foreclose all discussion and debate. Are they genuflecting towards Muslims to “keep them on-side” (one hell of an assumption underlying that)? So maybe it is a vote thing. Are they trying to appear “knowledgeable,” i.e., be consistent with the dominant ignorant narrative? In this case, it’s votes again. Do they know that the Qur’an calls on Muslims to destroy them (after all, they’re all quoting it these days), but they can’t see any way out without destroying their own careers and politics is the only life they know so they’re laying the groundwork for recognition as “Most Favoured Dhimmi” under their future masters? I really can’t work this one out.
Sure, equating Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller to terrorist masterminds is absurd. I’m sure that absurdity wasn’t lost on May’s audience. But does she actually seriously believe that she’s right? Am I naive in crediting her, and other Western leaders, with too much?
Tony Holland says
The whole question of the’acceptance’ of the sub human colonisation of our lands goes much futher for me than just fluttering Theresa the appeaser.It truly baffles me that above all,the military,the very backbone of the British Constitution,the servants of Royalty,the ultimate guardians of the British way of life for centuries,the heroes that file past the Cenotaph each year to honour and celebrate the sacrifices of our wonderful servicemen and women in defence of our (once) glorious Nation,it baffles me that these leaders of our fighting forces who have hitherto given everything possible to protect our country havn’t spoken out about the treasonous behaviour of our ‘ruling elite’ who are leading us to perdition,this is what we urgently require,you can call it sedition I’d call it salvation.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Wellington
The likes of Theresa May know exactly what they are doing, and whose side they are on. What you call ‘conspiracy world’ is in fact documented reality. The sooner you take the trouble to investigate NWO globalism, and its implications for humanity, the less of a doofus you will look when you venture into informed company.
Wellington says
Stella: I think we can agree on the fact that May is doing a lot of damage to her nation. Where we disagree is on the matter of motive. I see May as pc/mc, still ignorant of Islam, often times just plain foolish and dead wrong as well as morally myopic as Kepha mentioned above. You see her as deliberately seeking the destruction of the UK and the West due to NWO globalism, the Bilderberg Group, Agenda 21, blah, blah blah.
Tell me, Stella, what are your sources for this gigantic conspiracy to ruin the West? So far, in the conspiracy world you inhabit, which includes JFK not being assassinated by Oswald alone and controlled demolition being a factor in NYC on 9/11, you never provide any references but just go on about how so many know what I don’t. This just ain’t good enough, Stella. Time and time again I have asked you for sources and names and you never provide them. This is akin to writing a history textbook with no footnotes or bibliography.
In short, you flunk the credibility test. Big time. As for the informed company you mentioned, I have no desire to venture into it. I will remain content with those who source their contentions and know that if you are going to assert some conspiracy (and once in a while there really is a conspiracy, for instance 9/11 which was perpetrated by 19 Arab Muslim monsters and their fellow al-Qaeda allies) you must have significant evidence. You never do with any of your conspiracy theories. Have a nice day, Stella.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Wellington
It may have escaped your notice, but there are several posters on JW who have, like me, taken the time to research NWO globalism and related topics, and there are many more outside this limited forum. The subject is not new.
Over a period of several months, I and others here have provided sufficient references and key words to enable a high school student to begin his own investigation. Clearly, you have not been paying attention. The tools to access information are right in front of you. If you wish to remain under your rock, that is your choice.
Rest assured that the microscope that has the capability to make visible the size of the toss I give for your assessment of my credibility is yet to be invented. Have a nice day.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington. And, actually, StellaSaidSo has never provided any references for this, let alone credible ones.
And the idea that if you don’t believe in conspiracy theories–including that 9/11 was actually coordinated by unnamed entities on the ground in the US–that this ergo means that you haven’t investigated the roots of conspiracy theories simply is not the case.
For instance, this is from President George H.W. Bush’s “New World Order” speech from 1991, which so many conspiracy theorists balefully refer to as the supposed start of this shadowy cabal:
“Until now, the world we’ve known has been a world divided—a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and cold war. Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a “world order” in which “the principles of justice and fair play … protect the weak against the strong …” A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.”
This is, actually, just a fairly straightforward hope for world peace in the wake of the non-violent fall of the Soviet Union, not a secret coded message ushering in some sort of secret totalitarian world government. These conspiracy theories often involve End Times, Freemasonry, the Illuminati, the Bilderburg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Fourth Reich, Opus Dei, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and Alien Invasion (this is hardly an exhaustive list).
Never mind that this term was not even new then, having been used previously by Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill at other points of dramatic shifts in the political scene.
And these conspiracy theories frequently contradict each other, in any case–for instance, re 9/11, supposed perpetrators include George Bush, “Pax Americana”, Mossad, the CIA, American Jews, Wall Street stock manipulators, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and WTC owner Larry Silverstein, who did it for the insurance.
Supposed events often contradict each other as well–that no planes hit the buildings and it was all controlled demolitions; that those who thought they saw planes hit the building were watching “digital compositing” (this is usually attributed to Hollywood special effects artists or Silicon Valley computer experts using holograms); that no one actually saw the planes hit the buildings live and it was all just doctored video footage shown later; that it would somehow be physically impossible for airplanes to hit skyscrapers; that the hijackers are still alive; that the passengers from the planes are all still alive, and were given new identities by the CIA or FBI; that the CIA murdered all of the passengers in a secret hanger that the planes were diverted to; that the buildings were actually hit by missiles (this is especially popular re the Pentagon); that Flight 93 landed safely in Ohio, and a substitute plane crashed in Pennsylvania; that all Jews working in the WTC were all told to stay home in secret messages from the Israelis and no Jews were killed (this one is especially loved by Muslims). This is hardly an exhaustive list, either.
Cited motives include creating random chaos, making Muslims look bad, stealing Muslim oil, being able to create the Patriot Act, and several others. Generally, this is where these conspiracy theories become particularly vague.
I don’t find any of this compelling. Claims that the towers were brought down by “controlled demolition”, for instance, have been debunked by scientists and engineers at Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, and MIT.
I agree with U.S. representative Peter King, chairmen of the House Homeland Security Committee–an Anti-Jihadist often cited here at Jihad Watch–who said 9/11 conspiracy theorists “trivialize” the “most tragic event to affect the United States” and that “people making these claims are disgraceful, and they should be ashamed of themselves”.
None of this helps in the fight against Jihad.
StellaSaidSo says
@ gravenimage
‘None of this helps in the fight against jihad.’
Quite. So why are you so preoccupied with mischaracterising my posts, and making yet more false allegations?
For the record, and for the umpteenth time, my position on 9/11 is that I consider it highly unlikely that anyone could pull off such a massive project without assistance at the local level. As to the identity or identities of those ‘on the ground’, I have made no assertions. I have noted that while three buildings fell down, only two were hit by aeroplanes. I have referred to the research of Architects and Engineers for 9/11Truth.
None of this is controversial.
Once again, gravenimage, it would appear that you have let your imagination, and your obsessive and bizarre personal animus, run away with you. And, once again, you have revealed your lack of knowledge about NWO globalism. Given that you live in California, which is currently being chewed up and spat out by UN Agenda 21, I find this surprising, to say the least. But of course, as you have frequently observed, there is a lot of wilful ignorance about.
Wellington says
Stella: Your mentioning other posters here at JW thinking like you is the fallacious appeal to authority and I dismiss it forthwith, and I am still waiting for those references you say you have provided but have not.
gravenimage says
StellaSaidSo wrote:
@ gravenimage
‘None of this helps in the fight against jihad.’
Quite.
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What I meant here is that these conspiracy theories do not help in the fight against Jihad.
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So why are you so preoccupied with mischaracterising my posts, and making yet more false allegations?
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What did I say that was false? All of these are indeed well-established conspiracy theories. I did not make any of them up.
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For the record, and for the umpteenth time, my position on 9/11 is that I consider it highly unlikely that anyone could pull off such a massive project without assistance at the local level. As to the identity or identities of those ‘on the ground’, I have made no assertions. I have noted that while three buildings fell down, only two were hit by aeroplanes. I have referred to the research of Architects and Engineers for 9/11Truth.
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The idea that we are supposed to accept a priori the assertion that some unnamed entities on the ground coordinated 9/11–as StellaSaidSo has said many times–is simply unfounded.
As for “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth”, this is mostly Richard Gage, a San Francisco Bay area architect who is not an engineer.
The American Institute of Architects has disavowed any connection with this wonky group.
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None of this is controversial.
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Actually, it is. Most reputable engineers are *not* 9/11 “Truthers”.
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Once again, gravenimage, it would appear that you have let your imagination, and your obsessive and bizarre personal animus, run away with you.
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Again, I did not make any of this up, as StellaSaidSo pretends. These are all well-known conspiracy theories.
And none of this is a “bizarre personal animus”–I simply do not believe, as I said quite clearly above, that conspiracy theories in any way help in the fight against Jihad–rather, a belief in them retards our being able to defend ourselves.
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And, once again, you have revealed your lack of knowledge about NWO globalism.
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Never mind that I posted George Bush’s “New World Order” speech above, which actually has nothing to do with creating a baleful global cabal.
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Given that you live in California, which is currently being chewed up and spat out by UN Agenda 21, I find this surprising, to say the least. But of course, as you have frequently observed, there is a lot of wilful (sic) ignorance about.
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If StellaSaidSo means that there is too much environmental regulation in California, this is certainly the case.
If this is a reference to the Agenda 21 conspiracy theory, that the government is forcing citizens to mate, seizing all children from their parents and raising them in indoctrination centers, abolishing citizens’ property rights, and liquidating large parts of the population, then not so much.
Wellington says
Stella: Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth are a fringe group of professionals who are discounted by the VAST majority of people in their respective fields. Take for instance Steven Jones, the former Brigham Young scientist who put forth a controlled demolition theory and is a member of this group. He was formally repudiated by all of his colleagues at BYU.
Look, you can actually find some scientists, ones with a PhD, who deny evolution. They are a tiny minority as are the few thousand in the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Care to invoke such scientists as evidence that evolution didn’t happen?
But at least this time you provided a reference, Stella. You’re improving but you still have a long way to go. A long way.
Wellington says
Great responses, gravenimage, to Stella. Again, my compliments.
Damn, sometimes it is so hard to get the truth nailed down and conspiracy theorists like Stella make it all the more difficult to do so. Thus is the way of things.
Hope you are doing well this Sunday. Having a beer right now (Smuttynose Robust Porter) which is quite good. Shortly thereafter my better half and I are going out to eat lobster which, of course, is nowhere better in the world than here in New England where I presently am. BTW, glad Kavanaugh got confirmed. I truly sympathize with victims of sexual assault (my dear wife was) but you MUST have solid evidence to accompany an accusation and none of the three accusers of Kavanaugh did. Even if not in a legal setting and “only” a job interview, accusations without evidence are simply not enough. I would welcome your take on this since it has so dominated the news over the past several weeks.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington. I had not realized that your wife was a victim of sexual assault like myself–I am so sorry.
I absolutely agree that accusations of sexual assault need to be backed up by evidence–which was not the case with Kavanaugh.
I hope you and your wife have a good time at dinner.
StellaSaidSo says
@ gravenimage and Wellington
You still don’t get it, do you? I have never said that 9/11 wasn’t jihad, or that I believed any of the claims made by so-called ‘conspiracy theorists’. I expressed doubt that such a project could be pulled off without a level of co-operation at the local level. I made no claims as to the identity or identities of such helpers. I am certainly not alone in questioning the official narrative. For17 years, the families of victims have done the same. I guess they all wear tinfoil hats too.
StellaSaidSo says
@ gravenimage
Do you seriously think that quoting from ONE speech by GHW Bush means that you are well-informed about NWO globalism? What an extraordinarily low standard you set for your presumed expertise! Get back to me when you have read, eg, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, Peter Sutherland, Maurice Strong, Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, Carroll Quigley, and E.W. Griffin. That’s just for starters. When you’re done, I can supply a further list.
And you might also get hold of a copy of the UN Agenda 21 ‘action plan’ for ‘sustainable development’, which, quite obviously, you have not read. Agenda 21 is not a ‘conspiracy theory’. It’s a fact, and it is being rolled out in California, right under your nose. I recommend also Rosa Koire’s ‘Behind the Green Mask’ (published 2011), which may help you to understand what Agenda 21 really means for humanity, when all the feel-good buzzwords are stripped away.
It is too easy to dismiss as a ‘conspiracy theory’ an idea or proposition that seems unlikely or which challenges one’s perception of reality. Sometimes the ‘theorists’ are right. It is worth keeping in mind that the term ‘conspiracy theory’ first gained currency in the wake of the JFK assassination, when the CIA needed all the help it could get to discourage awkward questions.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Wellington
If you think that I am the only JW poster who is aware of the role of globalism in driving world events, you have not been following JW threads. If anyone has ‘a long way to go’, Biffo, it’s you.
Wellington says
Stella: Oh no, I certainly don’t think you are “the only JW poster who is aware of the role of globlalism in driving world events…”, as my 4:26 P.M post of yesterday made crystal clear (and which apparently you didn’t bother to read). There are others like you here at JW. I have acknowledged that even though you missed this as you have missed so many other matters.. And I think you all are wrong.
I see dreadful and highly foolish willful ignorance by sundry Western leaders, leaders who are in deep denial of the realities of Islam (and other matters). You see conspiracy by them. Here we part.
And for the record, I and gravenimage have never denied that you denied that planes hit the twin towers. Your asserting such is just another straw man you have set up and then knocked down (how dismal). What both graveimage and I have maintained is that your controlled demolition theory as an important ancillary reason for the towers et al. coming down is bogus. Get this.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Wellington
I am sure that anybody here who reads every thread ‘gets’ that you believe the official version of events regarding 9/11, as you believe the official version of events regarding the JFK assassination. It is also very clear that you believe that anyone who doubts the official version of events is some sort of ‘nutter’, and is therefore fair game for all manner of personal abuse. Frankly, I don’t give a damn what you believe, and I find your preoccupation with what you have decided that I do or do not believe rather curious, from a clinical point of view. You and your little tag-team pal ‘gravenimage’ are nothing more than playground bullies who are easily triggered by any challenge to their presumed authority. Newsflash, Biffo: there’s a big wide world out there, and neither of you has a clue how it operates.
Wellington says
Stella: So good of you to respond. And frankly, unlike you about what I think, I DO care what you think, what so many others think, because the truth widely disseminated and not rooted in conspiracy theory nonsense (or general ignorance, with conspiracy theory nonsense being a subset of general ignorance) is paramount in preserving, a la Churchill, the worst system of government, i.e. democracy, with the exception of all the other forms of government.
As ever I remain
Incorrigibly yours,
Wellington (and apparently also “Biffo’)
P.S. I still think you have not read Case Closed cover to cover—just for the record and all that.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Wellington
You’re welcome to borrow my annotated copy of ‘Cased Closed’, Biffo. As I have stated previously, my first objection is to the title. Until all relevant, unredacted documents are released, this case cannot be said to be closed.
You are also welcome to browse my library relating to NWO globalism. Better still, do your own research. See my 8:01am > gravenimage for guidelines.
I agree entirely that the truth should be widely disseminated. But first we must determine what it is. And if that means challenging the official narrative, then that is exactly what we should do. You seem to have a problem with this part of the process.
gravenimage says
StellaSaidSo wrote:
@ gravenimage and Wellington
You still don’t get it, do you? I have never said that 9/11 wasn’t jihad, or that I believed any of the claims made by so-called ‘conspiracy theorists’.
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StellaSaidSo obviously believes *some* of these claims, or she would not believe that 9/11 was coordinated on the ground.
And she has previously said *anyone* who questions any official narrative is ergo well-informed.
This how she replied when I said that while I was glad Glenn Beck gave Spencer a platform to get the word out about his book, despite his having an unfortunate conspiracy theorist streak:
StellaSaidSo says
Sep 16, 2018 at 9:59 am
‘…he does have a bit of a conspiracy theorist streak…’
You mean he doesn’t accept without question the ‘official’ narrative?
Quite well-informed, then.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/glenn-beck-interviews-robert-spencer-on-the-history-of-jihad-says-i-highly-recommend-that-you-listen-to-this-guy#comment-1983837
If everyone who questions any official narrative is “well-informed”, then on what basis could StellaSaidSo disagree with *any* 9/11 conspiracy theorist–even those who clearly contradict each other?
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I expressed doubt that such a project could be pulled off without a level of co-operation at the local level. I made no claims as to the identity or identities of such helpers.
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But this is only entirely Jihad if *everyone* cooperating at the local level is also a Jihadist–and that that all of these Jihadists had access on the ground.
Otherwise, 9/11 is at least partially the work of Infidels, which cannot then be Jihad.
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I am certainly not alone in questioning the official narrative. For17 years, the families of victims have done the same. I guess they all wear tinfoil hats too.
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We’ve seen what the most common conspiracy theories are regarding 9/11, which I listed quite exhaustively above. Certainly, I have seen no claims from any of them that it was actually Jihadists on the ground who had access to the WTC and the Pentagon.
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@ gravenimage
Do you seriously think that quoting from ONE speech by GHW Bush means that you are well-informed about NWO globalism? What an extraordinarily low standard you set for your presumed expertise!
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This was the reference to the “New World Order” that is considered the smoking gun of NWO globalism. That it is a very moderate and entirely garden-variety speech hoping for Russia and the US to work for peace–instead of calling for some shadowy cabal to destroy the world–is hardly immaterial.
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Get back to me when you have read, eg, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, Peter Sutherland, Maurice Strong, Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, Carroll Quigley, and E.W. Griffin. That’s just for starters. When you’re done, I can supply a further list.
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Actually, I have read works by most of these people. The idea that I should dedicate all of my time to StellaSaidSo’s own interpretation of conspiracy theories seems a particularly poor use of my efforts.
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And you might also get hold of a copy of the UN Agenda 21 ‘action plan’ for ‘sustainable development’, which, quite obviously, you have not read. Agenda 21 is not a ‘conspiracy theory’.
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Of course I’ve read it–I have, in fact, linked to it several times here at Jihad Watch. Here it is again:
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf
As I have said several times before, it is rather too socialist for my taste, but *nowhere* does it say that the state is to control human breeding or that millions are to be slaughtered.
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It’s a fact, and it is being rolled out in California, right under your nose. I recommend also Rosa Koire’s ‘Behind the Green Mask’ (published 2011), which may help you to understand what Agenda 21 really means for humanity, when all the feel-good buzzwords are stripped away.
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Rosa Koire’s main focus has been on property rights, particularly opposing eminent domain–which I oppose in almost all cases, as well. She’s done most of her work right in my own region–the San Francisco Bay Area and Napa and Sonoma countries.
If she’s been claiming that Agenda 21 calls for mass depopulation and the other well known conspiracy theories in her book, she’s been pretty quiet about it.
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It is too easy to dismiss as a ‘conspiracy theory’ an idea or proposition that seems unlikely or which challenges one’s perception of reality. Sometimes the ‘theorists’ are right. It is worth keeping in mind that the term ‘conspiracy theory’ first gained currency in the wake of the JFK assassination, when the CIA needed all the help it could get to discourage awkward questions.
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Is this another claim that JFK was shot from the front?
I am willing to consider any idea, no matter how unlikely. However, I do actually need some proof to consider it plausible.
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@ Wellington
If you think that I am the only JW poster who is aware of the role of globalism in driving world events, you have not been following JW threads.
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Yes, there are a few other conspiracy theorists who post at Jihad Watch from time to time. There are also, of course, apologists for the worst savagery of Islam. I am not comparing conspiracy theorists to Jihadists, of course–they are generally much more benign. But implying that if some random person posts on an on-line forum that their ideas are ergo correct is simply mistaken.
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If anyone has ‘a long way to go’, Biffo, it’s you.
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I have pointed out before that calling someone “Biffo” is not actually an argument–let alone a reasoned one.
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I am sure that anybody here who reads every thread ‘gets’ that you believe the official version of events regarding 9/11, as you believe the official version of events regarding the JFK assassination. It is also very clear that you believe that anyone who doubts the official version of events is some sort of ‘nutter’, and is therefore fair game for all manner of personal abuse.
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Pointing out that there is no evidence for claiming that the towers were brought down by “controlled demolition” on the ground is not, actually, personal abuse–unless one believes that one is being abused by the truth.
Certainly, not every official account is accurate, and none of them should be considered accurate simply because they are official–certainly, this was true under the Soviets, say.
But believing that everyone who questions official accounts is ergo “well-informed” is also way off base. The facts are that there is no evidence that Kennedy was shot from the front, nor that the WTC was brought down by bombs on the ground.
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Frankly, I don’t give a damn what you believe, and I find your preoccupation with what you have decided that I do or do not believe rather curious, from a clinical point of view. You and your little tag-team pal ‘gravenimage’ are nothing more than playground bullies who are easily triggered by any challenge to their presumed authority.
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If StellaSaidSo doesn’t care what Wellington believes, why is she constantly referring to him–even on threads where he has not commented?
Like Wellington, I actually do consider it important to counter anything that retards our ability to defend against Jihad–including conspiracy theories.
But the idea that Wellington is preoccupied with StellaSaidSo and her unsubstantiated claims is quite mistaken–he and I both comment on a wide range of issues here on Jihad Watch, and have both done so for well over a decade. Twelve years in my case–even longer, I believe, in Wellington’s.
Most of this, thankfully, has nothing to do with conspiracy theories.
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Newsflash, Biffo: there’s a big wide world out there, and neither of you has a clue how it operates.
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And yet, StellaSaidSo expects us to simply accept this–unfortunately, both Wellington and myself are rational people, and look for proof for any claims.
And–again–calling someone “Biffo” is not an argument. Does StellaSaidSo think that Anti-Jihadists will think that it is?
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@ Wellington
You’re welcome to borrow my annotated copy of ‘Cased Closed’, Biffo. As I have stated previously, my first objection is to the title. Until all relevant, unredacted documents are released, this case cannot be said to be closed.
You are also welcome to browse my library relating to NWO globalism. Better still, do your own research. See my 8:01am > gravenimage for guidelines.
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Wellington has, of course, read Case Closed–I believe he was the first to refer to it. That this book would be enhanced with ‘annotation’–presumably StellaSaidSo’s own–is quite questionable.
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I agree entirely that the truth should be widely disseminated. But first we must determine what it is. And if that means challenging the official narrative, then that is exactly what we should do. You seem to have a problem with this part of the process.
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As I have noted, not every conflicting challenging of an official narrative represents the truth–notwithstanding StellaSaidSo’s belief that this in and of itself represents one being well-informed.
Some of us actually require proof in order to divine the truth.
StellaSaidSo says
@ gravenimage
LOL, you devote hours of time to re-reading old posts (should I be flattered?), and play Humpty Dumpty with meanings all over again, as you so frequently do (and not just with my posts).
Like I said, get back to me when you know what you’re talking about – and when you are prepared to drop the hypocrisy, dishonesty, and smears. It is obvious that you have no detailed knowledge of any of the sources I listed, including the Agenda 21 document. It is also glaringly obvious that you are motivated by personal animus, not by any genuine desire for the truth. Stop kidding yourself that you’re a serious ‘counter-jihadist’. If you were, you would be out doing something useful, rather than spending hours every day slandering people who dare to call you out on your errors of fact, failures of logic, and appalling manners.
gravenimage says
StellaSaidSo wrote:
@ gravenimage
LOL, you devote hours of time to re-reading old posts (should I be flattered?),
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No, I just have a good memory. Really, this does not take hours of research.
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and play Humpty Dumpty with meanings all over again, as you so frequently do (and not just with my posts).
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Saying that someone is “play[ing] Humpty Dumpty” is, of course, no more an indication that they are imposing their own meanings than calling someone “Biffo” means that they are wrong.
Note–again–that StellaSaidSo does not say what i have supposedly gotten wrong. But then, how could she?
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Like I said, get back to me when you know what you’re talking about – and when you are prepared to drop the hypocrisy, dishonesty, and smears.
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Again, no examples of Wellington or myself being involved in hypocrisy, dishonesty, or smears. Simply saying so does not make this so. In the absence of anything substantive, of course, this is just baseless calumny.
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It is obvious that you have no detailed knowledge of any of the sources I listed, including the Agenda 21 document.
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I *linked to* the Agenda 21 document–really, it is right there for anyone to read. I said that it nowhere mentioned such matters as forced breeding and mass slaughter in order to depopulate the world. Anyone who reads the document will, indeed, see that this is so.
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It is also glaringly obvious that you are motivated by personal animus, not by any genuine desire for the truth.
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Not at all. I just don’t consider baseless conspiracy theories as useful in defense against Jihad and Shari’ah–rather, this is a dangerous distraction. Of course, everyone has the right to point out this truth.
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Stop kidding yourself that you’re a serious ‘counter-jihadist’.
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Yes–StellaSaidSo has said before that my opposition to the horrors of Jihad is “fatuous”. I have to disagree.
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If you were, you would be out doing something useful, rather than spending hours every day slandering people who dare to call you out on your errors of fact, failures of logic, and appalling manners.
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I have, of course, noted my other Counter Jihad actions before–including my artwork, letter writing, and work on the ground. But I also believe that commenting on this important forum *is* useful.
Many thousands more read here than post. Jihad Watch reaches a large number of people, whatever StellaSaidSo may believe.
And no–simply saying that she has pointed out “errors of fact, [and] failures of logic” does not mean she has done so–certainly, she has not on this thread–nor on any other I have seen.
And she has claimed before that opposing the horrors of Jihad re apologists for Islam like “eddie”, Rezali Mehil, and “Brian hoff” (“DefenderofIslam”) is bad manners. Respectfully, I have to disagree.
mortimer says
Smug virtue-signalling that ignores the reality of 33,926 JIHAD-RELATED deaths since 9/11.
The UK is repressing the free speech of its citizens. UK is now a police state.
mortimer says
Shallow, unread, unstudied in the matter of the JIHAD DOCTRINE.
Unprofessional negligence !
A political leader should be well-informed about the JIHAD DOCTRINE and understand the JIHAD DOCTRINE PERFECTLY.
garbut says
One day it will be remembered that Robert Spencer “Was made victorious over the evil Islamic ideology by being a TRUTH terrorist.”
Jay says
This is a true crime against British citizens! How did PM May ever get elected?
PM Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher are not resting easy today!
What is wrong with the British parliament that they cannot see what is happening to their country?
The USA will not save them again!! God save England!
God bless America and Robert Spencer ????????
gravenimage says
Jay, the candidate running against May-Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn–is *even worse*.
StellaSaidSo says
Theresa May was SELECTED, not ELECTED. When David Cameron resigned after the Brexit referendum, May replaced him. She has since won an election, but with a much-reduced majority. Her current position is precarious, largely because she has failed to deliver on Brexit. A challenge to her leadership is likely in the near future.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/erdogan-urges-women-children-to-go-to-mosques-137542
is a bombshell. Not only does Turkish President Erdogan advocate men and women praying in mosques together, but he says, “It is my personal duty to encourage open discussion of all questions related to religion and mosques in this country.”
Yes, “open discussion of all questions related to religion”. That sounds like an open invitation for Robert Spencer to come to Turkey and participate in public debate with Islamic apologists in a nationwide tour of Anatolia. How ironic it would be that while Spencer is kept out of Britain by dhimmi Prime Minister Theresa May, an enlightened caliph invites him to Turkey for an “open discussion of all questions related to religion”. O tempora, o mores!
gravenimage says
Grimly, Mark, reading this article this is less about any sort of gender equality than it is in further re-Islamizing Turkey.
No Muzzies Here says
She knows that the future of the UK is Muslim, and is adjusting her reality to fit that of the Muslims.
Indiana Tom says
I just am not buying that these politicians are really that stupid either.
D J says
Even in the heart of liberal north London in Hampstead Robert has ardent supporters.
gravenimage says
Glad to hear it, D J.
Walter Sieruk says
By the words and actions of Teresa May about and against Robert Spence and Pamela Geller.is a good example of a politician who has either caved in to the Islamic influence of the Muslims who are engaging in the stealth jihad in England or the other possibilities which are that Theresa May is an extremely ignorant woman or she willing speaks lying words that are blatant falsehoods. In any case she is completely unfit to be a prime minister. .
Furthermore, that prime minster of England, Theresa May, when had made public statements about those violent and vicious terrorist attacks on London Bridge and nearby Borough Market. She had declared that heinous religious terror attack as the outcome of “an ideology that is a perversion of Islam,” That statement shows that she didn’t do her homework. For those jihadist Muslims were putting in the practice the instruction of real, actual, non-watered down hard core Islam. As the Quran in, for example, Surah 9:123 instructs “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you…” Running over non-Muslims with a van and then stabbing them is a very effective way of showing people who are not Muslims harshness. Also Surah 9:111 teaches “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed…” The whole foundation for the ideology of Islamic terrorism is the theology of the Quran. As seen in those two, just sited, verses from the Quran and other verses well, such as, Surah 4:89. 5:33 47:4. Teresa May also denounced “Extremism.” This type of “Extremism” is based on the Quran.
Renate says
Theresa May doggedly clings to the idea that Islam is a religion she is somehow protecting when the overwhelming majority of the writings indicate that it is a political system. The British people can not feel safe when their leaders can not or will not acknowledge the threat of Islam. Leaders like Theresa May put the British people in peril every minute of every day.
Walter Sieruk says
To Renate, your message was very interesting and truthful For Islam is a political system. As you has keyboarded ” the overwhelming majority of the writings indicates that is is a political system..” To be much more specific Islam is a fusion of religion and politics . It’s thus a union of both rolled into one ,as in it’s a religious /political/sharia law mind control system which had awful tyrannical power over people as well as nations.
Furthermore, the term used by many in the West in current times is “political Islam” That term is, in reality redundant. This is because Islam is in essence, a religious /political Sharia law based system. As so well explained in brief way, by the Muslim tyrant who and ruled Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini when he stated that “All Islam is politics.” [1]
[1] THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM by Ibn Warraq , page 332.
Jayell says
Sorry, did I get this right? Antisemitism, perhaps the oldest and most vicious form of genocidal racism promoting the hatred of Jews, is somehow equated with a philosophical standpoint that actively opposes a pseudo-religious political ideology that promotes anti-semitism (to which one has stated one is opposed), purely on the grounds that in both cases there is an element of active opposition. So whilst one is supposed to oppose antisemitism one is also supposed to oppose anyone who opposes a group that promotes the opposition to the very thing that one is supposed to oppose, simply because they actively involved in promoting some sort of opposition, even if that involves opposing the act of opposition to that which one is any case has stated that one is supposed to oppose.
OK, so perhaps Theresa May is round the bend. Or stupid. Or she’s not being quite straight about the fact that maybe she’s already in the pocket of the people who are peddling the sort of ideological racist profanity that she, in all her dazzling liberal western-democratic righteouness, is supposed to condemn and she can’t think of a good way to get out of the conundrum other than concocting preposterous inaninities to distance herself from those who defend the standards that she is supposed to support ,because they might prejudice her standing in the ‘good books’ of those in whose ‘good books’ she shouldn’t really be.
Look, no one in the UK actually voted for May as PM. And it’s obvious why.
Terry Gain says
Listening to the deranged Theresa May is almost as annoying as watching her dance, but I love that she is obsessed with Robert Spencer. She knows he is right about Islam and her obsession demonstrates consciousness of guilt.
Jean Terry says
She must live in an ivory tower and not be aware of what is happening in her own country in terms of Muslim extremism. She is like the so called intellectuals in universities who would be the first to go if Islamists took over. England has become scary. I love England and am so sad to see this.
gravenimage says
Video: UK’s Prime Minister Theresa May Equates Robert Spencer with Jihad Terrorists
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This is just appalling–Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller have never called for violence; instead, they dare to expose such violence in Islam.
That May slung such calumny against Spencer and Geller at the United Jewish Israel Appeal dinner is especially egregious, since Muslims are especially threatening Jews with Jihad violence.
D-spot says
Graven (enoy your posts) – surely this is defamation of pamela and roberts character – is there no recourse? Even politicians aren’t exempt from being called to account.
gravenimage says
Yes, D-spot, this is indeed groundless defamation of Geller and Spencer. Grimly, given the current political climate in the UK right now, I doubt that there are legal recourses for them in British courts–I’m sure Robert Spencer’s legal counsel has looked into this.
I had hoped that Boris Johnson would have become PM after Cameron–not perfect on Islam, but far better than the egregious Theresa May. Now we have to hope that the even worse Jeremy Corbyn does not end up at 10 Downing Street in the next election. If any British Jihad Watchers can offer more hope for the immediate future, I would be happy to hear it.
And D-spot, thank you for your kind words about my posts.
Wellington says
+1
nicholas tesdorf says
Why hasn’t Theresa May banned Jeremy Corbyn from the UK? He is a noticeable Anti-Semite. Both Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are more knowledgeable than Theresa May about Isla, Anti-Semitism and Jihad and they are more attractive to look at too!
Indiana Tom says
https://pjmedia.com/blog/no-professor-ahmed-the-founders-were-not-so-fond-of-islam/
//www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/29/founding-fathers-criticism-musselmen-sinks-suhail-khans-islam-american-p-r/
https://www.menofthewest.net/founding-fathers-islam/
The above is why I stand behind my claim that the current Muslim friendly politicians are willfully and wantonly bent on degrading our Western Civilization. So our former leaders could figure out Ilam and our current leaders cannot? Really?
StellaSaidSo says
+1
The puppet-masters have determined that their globalist socialist utopia cannot be achieved without the destruction of the Judaeo-Christian inheritance.
Jobn says
Teresa May needs her head examed . She is on the wrong side of the law !
Almira says
Theresa May is a bad joke. Hearing her name makes me want to retch.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
I think Theretha may is right that Mr spencer and terrorist groups share the same understanding. Terrorist groups justify killings of non-Muslim civilian population on the ground that Westerners bomb and kill muslim civilian population and the Quran says fight those who fight you, ignoring the fact that Prophet Muhammad who is the best interpreter of the Quran said it is only hostile non-muslim combatants are be fought, not civilian population who do not carry arms. Mr spencer said said the view of the terrorists represent true teaching of the Quran and as such all Muslims are potential terrorists since all of them believe in the same Quran, and for that all Muslims shall be banned from the west or refugees from Muslim countries shall not be allowed into the west. we have been saying such hate Propaganda campaigns have the tendency of leading to ethnic cleansing of Muslims from the west in the same way antisemitic hate campaigns led to holocaust. can you see the difference?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
I think UK pm is right that Mr spencer and CO’s hate Propaganda campaigns against muslims are the same as that of terrorist groups against non-muslims and Muslims who differ with them. Eg, terrorist groups justify killings of non-Muslim civilian population on ground that Westerners bomb and kill muslim civilian population because the Quran says fight those who fight you ignoring the fact that Prophet Muhammad who was the best interpreter of the Quran said it is only hostile non-muslim combatants are to be fought ,not civilian population who do not carry arms. Mr spencer said this perverted Interpretation by terrorist groups represents what the Quran truly teachs, and as such all Muslims are potential terrorists because all of them believe in the same Quran and shall be banned from the west or refugees from Muslim countries shall not be allowed into the west. This ethnic cleansing Propaganda campaigns against muslims headed by Mr spencer could lead to genocide killings of Muslims in the west in the same way such hate Propaganda campaigns led to holocaust in the west. Can you see any difference?
Hecor Archytas says
OK. Ibrahim. So, Theresa May is as Adol Hitler a muslim who does not that she is a muslim.
Hector Archytas says
What make you think taht you can leave on the west ?
You forbid my French people to settle in teh middle East or in Algeria ?
You rob our hard work to develop north Africa..
What make you think that you can push us out of our home and forbid us to leave in your home ?
Immigration is an exchange and not an act of piracy.
StellaSaidSo says
Bonjour, Hector! You make a point that is often overlooked – if we can’t go to live in their countries, why should they expect to live in ours? C’est vrai, we have been far too hospitable, and far too tolerant.
StellaSaidSo says
If you are new here, Hector, you need to know that the poster called Ibrahim Itace Muhammad is an Islamist troll.
gravenimage says
Hector Archytas is actually a long time poster here.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Hector, remember French mithraist christians killed more than 15% of Algerians during colonisation and attempt to annex algeria into France. Is resisting brutal colonisation and annexation a denial for French mithraist christians to live in Algeria? You want French colonisers to exterminate Algerians and settled there in the same way white mithraist christians exterminated the original inhabitants of Americas and settled there?
gravenimage says
More unsupported claptrap. The population of Algeria actually grew strongly all through the colonial period.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
I think Theretha may is right that Mr spencer and terrorist groups share the same understanding.
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This is like saying that Nazis and Winston Churchill had the same understanding, since Fascists were a violent threat and Churchill recognized them as such.
It is just the same with Jihadists and Robert Spencer.
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Terrorist groups justify killings of non-Muslim civilian population on the ground that Westerners bomb and kill muslim civilian population and the Quran says fight those who fight you, ignoring the fact that Prophet Muhammad who is the best interpreter of the Quran said it is only hostile non-muslim combatants are be fought, not civilian population who do not carry arms.
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What calumny–no Infidels are targeting children. Muslims certainly do, though–and all on the grounds of the Qur’an, Hadith, and Sira.
As for the appalling “Prophet”, he affirmed that women and children and other non-combatants can be targeted. Here’s one Hadith:
(Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama: The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the inevitability of exposing their women and children to violence. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”
–Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 052, Hadith Number 256.
The truth is that Muslims regularly target non-combatants. If Ibrahim itace muhammd *actually* had a problem with this, he would take it up with his vicious coreligionists, not the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch.
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Mr spencer said said the view of the terrorists represent true teaching of the Quran and as such all Muslims are potential terrorists since all of them believe in the same Quran, and for that all Muslims shall be banned from the west or refugees from Muslim countries shall not be allowed into the west. we have been saying such hate Propaganda campaigns have the tendency of leading to ethnic cleansing of Muslims from the west in the same way antisemitic hate campaigns led to holocaust. can you see the difference?
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Note that Ibrahim itace muhammed is unable to refute that the Qur’an teaches the oppression and murder of Infidels.
Moreover, huge numbers of Muslims are acting on the violent diktats of the Qur’an, raping and slaughtering Infidels in the West. Just look at the rocketing rate of rape and Jihad since large numbers of Muslims began flooding into the West.
In contrast, Jews were not responsible for any violence; the Nazi propaganda against them was false–nothing but projection.
Despite the mushrooming violence of Muslims, there is no backlash against them–this is quite untrue.
*Of course* there is a difference between violent Muslims and peaceful Jews, as well as between the Holocaust and the equal treatment of Muslims.
What he is saying is that if Infidels take issue with being raped and murdered by Muslims, that this is morally equivalent to the Holocaust. *Ugh*.
He has, indeed, characterized Trump’s attempts to keep Muslims from Jihad-sponsoring states out of the US as “genocide”.
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I think UK pm is right that Mr spencer and CO’s hate Propaganda campaigns against muslims are the same as that of terrorist groups against non-muslims and Muslims who differ with them.
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So–Infidels pointing out that Muslims are murdering people is morally the same as Muslims murdering people. Good lord…
After this, Ibrahim itace muhammed is just repeating himself and spamming–not uncommon with this Mohammdan when he gets worked up at the prospect of Anti-Jihadists being able to defend against Jihad.
Phil Copson says
Standard establishment approach – go for “false equivalency” presentation and it saves them ever making their mind up about standing up for the truth.
The BBC are masters of this – their coverage of terrorism in Northern Ireland was always on the lines of “The British Army says this, but the IRA says that, so who are we to judge….?” etc
StellaSaidSo says
Yep. And they have the nerve to call it ‘balanced reporting’.
James Lincoln says
There is no excuse for Western leaders, like Theresa May, not to be fully informed regarding Islamic Jihad. She is either profoundly ignorant or she is lying. Either option makes her unfit to be Prime Minister.
The preponderance of evidence is that she is lying. She perceives, correctly, a threat to her leadership and she does not want to upset the Muslim community. Individuals that spread the truth about Islam are a direct threat. That’s why Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are banned. If Tommy Robinson were not already a citizen of the UK, he would also be banned. The only way that the UK could shut Tommy up, at least temporarily, was to put him in prison.
In summary, regarding Theresa May and the UK:
She is a globalist who openly supports the Muslim invasion.
She is complicit in helping the UK to rapidly become a Sharia compliant police state.
StellaSaidSo says
Exactly, James Lincoln.
Anyone who denies the existence of the globalist cabal, their plan for world domination, and their authorship of the Muslim invasion, is living under a rock.
infidel says
Along with the rabid pack of feminazzis destroying once Idyllic paradise of Sweden and of course the MAD MAAMA of Germany, U can add stupid Theresa to this list of crazed females hellbent on emasculating the white race as well as destroying it… What else can be expected from such pig headed men hating feminazzis..!! the less said the better because the same disease is affecting many Hindu females of India too..
Chatillon says
Theresa May’s objections to Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller appear to me as libelous. Wouldn’t be funny to take her to court and make her prove her statements? I hear that courts in the UK favor the plaintiff in such cases.
Max says
May is a miserable PM. Her Brexit negotiations are an insult to those that wanted a separation from the EU. She has bent backwards to please the EU bureaucrats. She is a Muslim apologetic, so I am not surprised that she is now attacking Robert. What were the Tories thinking when they selected her as PM.
Jay says
Theresa May should be sued for slander, then booted out of office.
Steve says
Treasona is an utter disgrace and traitor to Britain and the West! She is not fit to be a local councillor let alone PM. Britain risks collapsing into complete irrelevance, impotence, and dissolution as a nation unless she is removed from office soon. All who value Britain and the West should act to bring this about.